  Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 198 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.216.107.180 |
Doggone it I am going to start the real thread! We have an election coming up and we need to get down to the nitty gritty! Since both Freman and Kilpatrick have both been in office, so to speak, we need to compare what we noticed during their reign. People, we have nothing else to go by. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE! All poiticians make empty promises....who cares. We are going to look at their resumes right now from our own personal experiences. Everyone be honest. Don't try to talk up your candidate right now, this isn't the thread for that. We are not going to include how Kilpatrick abused his credit cards or even the Lincoln Navigator. We will not discuss how Freman used his position for personal gain...they all do, we know that already. Living in Detroit....personal experiences that affected you. I'll be first: Archer years: Businesses coming to Detroit. Archer years: City parks sucked, toilets were aweful, Parks and Recs should have been fired. Kwame years: Got sick and tired of hearing him on the radio saying come to the club and party with your Mayor. Archer years: Didn't follow Coleman Young's plan on Angel's night, had worse year ever. But apologized afterwards. Kwame years: Want to tax fast food to get him out of his shit. Archer years: Big snow storm, asked everyone to go out and shovel the streets. Kwame years: Finally the parks are looking alot better, toilets re-done at Belle Isle (election year of course). Archer years: Helped in securing the Super Bowl. I need help on this one: Who was in office when our property values skyrocketed? | |||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 201 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.216.135.134 |
Still waiting people... | |||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 2792 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 207.74.110.122 |
In the Archer Era in 1994. Downtown Detroit was in a Coleman Young mess, neighborhoods was in shambles and and Detroit's population is still going down. What Archer did is go out the suburbs and anywhere where there is business and offer them a 12 year tax break and "viola" We had OCP Compuware, new housing developments, new retails and more jobs. An in KING KWAME era He just fix parks and improve our roads then he party and used up our tax dollars to buy lavarish things including a Red Lincoln Navigator and cut more city services. | |||
Jmil Member Username: Jmil Post Number: 1263 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 68.248.55.151 |
Sorry bratt, can't help you with this one. Archer ain't running. So to me it really does not matter. I support Hendrix (ABK) however, I ain't giving him credit or blame for Archer's time as mayor. Gore tried to take advantage of Clintons good, but distance himself from the rest. You see where that got him. Kwame has to run on his record, and Hendrix has to run on his potential to do better. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3009 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.40.94.131 |
Jmil, you are not being very honest. For you and others its not ABK. Its more of a personality thing. I have read how folks claim to be ABK but criticize other candidates. ABK means any other candidate is good. ABK does not mean you support one candidate and forget the rest. That just means you are and have been a Hendrix supporter. You have not been an ABK person. Your candidate has claimed to been responsible for the Archer years. Yet he does not want to be judged on those years. He claims to have potential. Well so did Kwame. Gore turned his back on his friend. It showed in his campaign. It had nothing to do with the Clinton years. Gore did not Clinton campaigning for him. Hendrix asked Archer to endorse him. Archer didn't make an endorsement 4 years ago. So Hendrix asked Archer to campaign for him. Which brings the record into the campaign. Hendrix supporters are not fair to use the Archer years to push their candidate yet disallow them in terms of criticism. I know others supporters of Hendrix are not 'respectable' persons by their posts. I had thought Jmil was above the others but like Zulu Warrior I believe that this political campaign has allowed some folks to lie, cheat and steal to get what they want. And I am not refering to Kwame. | |||
Jmil Member Username: Jmil Post Number: 1264 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 68.248.55.151 |
Brian, you need to go back to bed and get some more rest. Obviously you have me confused. I was definitely ABK. I had no bad words for any candidate except Kilpatrick. I would have been just as pleased if Mcphail or Clark had won. Just like I went and volunteered for the Hendrix campaign shortly after the election. I would have done the same for the other candidates. " I support Hendrix (ABK) however, I ain't giving him credit or blame for Archer's time as mayor. " I don't know what part of this statement confused you. Regardless of what Archer & Hendrix say, My brain works quite well, and I am able to process my own independent thoughts. " I believe that this political campaign has allowed some folks to lie, cheat and steal to get what they want." I can't speak for others, but I have nothing to gain, except a new mayor for the city of Detroit. I don't personally know Hendrix, and he damn sure don't know me. I have never worked on a campaign before. I am going to this time because, regardless of the outcome, I can say at least I tried. Instead of just bitching over the internet. While I am NOT above lying, cheating, or stealing. For the right reason you bet I will. This ain't one. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3013 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.40.94.131 |
Jmil, use your own brain. If you don't use Hendrix's role in "the archer years" than you have nothing to base your support on except personality. In addition, you came out in support of Hendrix before the primary election. Clarke and McPhail have actual records as elected officials. Additionally Hendrix and Kwame look alike, have said the same things and have advocated the same ideas/policies. now Steve Wilson has shown some things on Hendrix that mirror Kwame. Your seperation of him from Archer merely is an attempt to remove him from the criticism. Its why Archer didn't wany anyone in the last election to criticize his 8 years in office. He made threats to all who tried. | |||
Jmil Member Username: Jmil Post Number: 1265 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 68.248.55.151 |
Brian, I have nothing to prove to you about me. I am quite satisfied with my decision. The Race is between Kilpatrick and Hendrix, not me and you. Archer & Kilpatrick, or any other scenerio. Personality be damned, I ain't looking for a date, I'm looking for a LEADER for the city. I strongly dislike Kilpatrick, I am okay with Hendrix. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 775 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.213.204.97 |
Bratt: Cool idea for a thread. Here's my take on the whole thing. ARCHER YEARS: On those rare ocassions that I needed to call 9-1-1, the cops showed up. KILPATRICK YEARS: I've had to call 9-1-1 three times in 2005 alone. The first time it took them more than an hour to respond with 1 officer. The other 2 times, I was told that no officers were available at all. KILPATRICK YEARS (Continued): Dearborn PD now sends more police officers into my neighborhood than DPD does, yet I still pay taxes to Detroit. (If anyone needs an explaination for this one, please see the "High Speed Police Chase In My Neighborhood" thread.) Evidentally, the Big Diamond is now taxing us for doing nothing. | |||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 208 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.67.187 |
Is this all you guys have? Pitiful. Thanks to the ones who did post. But to all of you others....not impressed. You have nothing good (or even bad) to say? We're talking about resumes here people. Jmil: No Archer ain't running, but Freman is. He was under Archer and that is the only experience he has. So if you all can't tell me the difference between the Archer years versus the Kk years, then we might as well call the election off. This is all we have people!!!! Help a sistah out!!! Or maybe it's because your candidate really and truly has absolutely no experience whatsoever. Maybe your candidate didn't do shit when they had the chance. Maybe your candidate is all talk and really isn't about helping the people...just want the clout...the favors...the kickbacks. I CAN'T HEAR YOU...AND DAMMIT I AM LISTENING!!!! | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 787 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.58.27 |
Actually, Hendrix spent most of his time working under McNamara. He only became more famous/infamous (depending on who you ask) when he went to work for Archer. | |||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 212 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.67.187 |
Fnemecek: I do not know his history of working for McNamara, but if I was him I wouldn't brag about that. I personally have some business beef with McNamara and associating himself with him is NOT a good association.... Ooh, an undecided becoming more confused by the day! | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 789 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.58.27 |
Bratt: Want to go from undecided to decided real fast? If so, I recomend this simple experiment. #1. Pick up your phone and dial 9-1-1. #2. Wait 15 minutes to give the cops a head start; then order a pizza. #3. See who shows up first: the pizza guy or the cops. Finally, as you're calmly eating your pizza, ask yourself if you agree with Mayor Kilpatrick cutting of DPD staffing levels to their lowest point in years. I'm not going to try and argue that Hendrix is a saint or that he's perfect. We all know that isn't true. Heck, I won't even argue that Hendrix is better than any randomn person off the street. The fact of the matter though is that this November we have two and only two options for Mayor: Kilpatrick or Hendrix. Let's face it, we'd be better off with a Tickle-Me Elmo doll in the Manoogian Mansion than with four more years of Kilpatrick's "let them eat cake" mentality. | |||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 213 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 69.222.67.187 |
I kinda like the Tickle-Me Elmo doll idea... | |||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2085 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
Ok Bratt, let me have a stab at this. When I think of the years that Archer was mayor, I remember a few things: On the positive side- Balanced budgets, years of improvement, seeds of growth, a better national image, a downtown that began to develop, more investment. On the negative side- discontent with neighborhood services, a lack of curb appeal with Archer and the common man, and the challeges that legalized gambling brought. The funny thing if I do the same with Kilpatrick, I have the same negatives, plus more scandal. I believe firmly that while Kilpatrick may not have been been a dastardly evil person, I do fault him with major misssteps and out and out aborgation of the public trust. His disregard and disrepect of city dollars in pursuit of political patronage has made workable situations untenable. He has improved some parks, true- but crime is rampant- Who has time to play? Roads have been paved, true- but with auto theft through the roof-who can drive with out fear? His stances on the schools are terrible, and have led to the further demise of DPS. Proposal E should never have been backed by a mayor standing strong for Detroit. Courage has been one of his central tenets, but he doesnt have the courage and decency to morally stand for justice for Gary Brown, and any other victims in the manoogian scandal. People are finding their collective power shrinking in Detroit and he wants you to beleive that he deserves 4 more years, when many of the problems of his administration are prosecutable. Bratt, I respect your healthy skepticism with Freman. He at best has been apart of a team that managed the city well and has had a not-to- successful run on the school board under stressful conditions. But I believe that you realize that change is needed, or you wouldnt have been draw to Sharon McPhail. But she was not successful and we cannot turn to her now. If you feel that the mayor has done a decent job, then you fall with in 1/3 of detroiters, as 2/3 beleived that he was not acting in their interests. Why Freman? What he has proved is that he has a better sense of managing resources toward outcomes. He will probably govern more like a city manager, prudent and non-flamboyant, than the current mayor. He will also be less inclined to mislead the people and blame it on someone else. And lastly, he has learned the lessons that Archer needed to learn, He took his campaign to the people, in their homes, and they felt overwelmingly that he was the better choice. His vision of the future is more focused on short victories and stabilizing the fundamentals right now. We cant have great buildings downtown and crime rampant within the streets. Tax burdens are driving people that want to stay here out of the city, but the mayor wants to give tax breaks to upscale neighborhoods. What about the brothers who live on Mack and Bewick, 7 mile and Dequindre, Fort and Visger, Joy and Evergreen, Harper and Van Dyke? They dont deserve tax breaks, too? What about the single mothers who live in fear on the north east side cause of pitbulls on the streets, or gangs giving pus heads over by osborn high? What about the brothers in the Elmhurst Center trying to kick the habit but cant find work, yet the mayor wants to give the health department to the county cause he wants his dad to control the state dollars coming to the city ? How about the Wayne County Sherrifs trying to take over DPS security, when if they want to do something, they could help out on the 1.6 million calls to 911 each year? How about the fact that so many streetlights are still out and water breaks are occuringh more and more, yet the director of the department is making $280,000 a year and doesnt live in the city? How can he buy his wife a navigator with a 1 year lease for 24K but that salary could employ people out of work, while she could ride in another car in the fleet? I am not sure of your needs. But I want you to be safe and not worry about gangs drugs and crime. Benny gave you that in the Archer years, and he might yet help in the years ahead... but only if you go forward with Freman and not backward with Big Diamond.... | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 790 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.58.27 |
Darn good writing, Zulu. | |||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 215 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 12.172.207.3 |
Damn, that was good Zulu! | |||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 555 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
I must agree, that was a great post Zulu. Man!!! | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3016 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.191 |
No Zulu that was weak but expected from a Freman supporter. Your post left out many of the Archer years highlites. Such as te loss of recorders court among other things. Archer had no pull in the state. No more than KK has today. On KK's support for proposal E, most everyone of Freman's supporters (LAST YEAR) said the DPS was failing and should not go back to being run by an elected board. KK's position changed their position. The DPS takeover was supposed to save Detroit's schools. BUT since it was Freman who headed it up, its now a spurned subject. (and that is just not honest of yall) Folks like to forget (conveniently ?) that Archer depleted the rainy day funds in order to balance his first budgets. We have never seen those funds again. The casino money was supposed to be extra, but archer used it to balance the rest of the budgets. We got tens of millions in casino dollars and less services. But no further criticism of archer by freman's supporters. In fact, folks don't want to talk about the casinos at all. Is it because archer is why we don't have permanent casinos and the riverfront is in bad shape? Zulu the rest of what you write is campaign bs. one sides view. both freman and bernard worked for the same man. They both also hate each other with a passion. And that is all they can inspire in their supporters. Why is it that Freman supporters did not want folks to call Freman Helmut, his legal name, but continue to call Kwame, Big Diamond? | |||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2086 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
I have been willing to admit the short comings of the Archer year. I feel that there were problems and bad judegment on several issues. I just dont feel that there was blatant abuse and disdain for the public trust. The next leader of this city will have to restore that trust and provide a way back to fiscal health. Are you endorsing Mayor Kilpatrick to do this, Brian? Are you so full of disdain for Archer, that you will put your trust in people who have abrogated the law, and absconded funds, and made bad decisions? Helmut Freman Hendrix is his name. We all know that now, thanks to you and the Metro Times. http://www.metrotimes.com/edit orial/story.asp?id=7532 Betty De Ramus also has called him Big Diamond, along with Wikipedia and Answers.com http://www.answers.com/topic/k wame-kilpatrick http://www.detnews.com/2005/me tro/0501/22/D01-66222.htm Names are not the issue, the public trust is.... | |||
Wcpo_intern Member Username: Wcpo_intern Post Number: 1686 Registered: 04-2004 Posted From: 68.60.140.71 |
Are you sure Kwame doesn't prefer being called Big Diamond? He likes being called the hip hop mayor and I didn't think Snoop Dog, Easy-E, or Ice Cube were much for using their given names. It describes the image he has worked so hard to create. He loves showing off that diamond and loves showing off how much he spends, from his fancy suits and over the top SUV's to his large posse and in your face, violence referencing speeches. He loves to live like a larger than life celebrity, so I can't understand why he wouldn't want to be refered to by a larger than life celebrity name. Come on. Admit it. He loves it. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3018 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.149 |
Folks who try to justify themselves. This thread asked for a comparison, not a who you gonna vote for and why. Zulu you offered your opinion on the man, not on the years. You don't feel that there was blatant abuse and disdain for the public trust. But I and others do. I view KK and Archer as equally bad mayors. The public asked for a black owned casino. The public also asked for other things that we did not get. But still that is not what was asked in the title. Further Zulu, I have not said I have put my trust in anyone other than my candidate. But while you view KK as you said above, I again say Archer/Hendrix have done the same. Folks have forgotten the bad press from those eight years. As for his name, now Hendrix supporters say that two wrongs make a right. Since others call him that its OK. Why can't Hendrix supporters be honest in their motives and actions. When will they apply the same rules to themselves that they seek to apply to everyone else. Zulu, if Hendrix is truly as good as you say, then your negativity and your attacks should not be necessary. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3019 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.149 |
Zulu, you used to claim that you could be fair. Your assertion that KK made bad decisions is your right of opinion. But your other claims, "abrogated the law, and absconded funds" is pure partisan politics. The same is said by me and others about Archer. But as others who argue against my statements about Archer, none have been charged or found guilty. Let's see if Helmut can obtain the public's trust. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 792 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.33.243 |
Quit painting with such a broad brush, Brian. I'm a Hendrix supporter in the general and am as honest and blunt as they come.
Trust, shmust. In my opinion, it's all about whether or not he can get the cops to show up when I call 9-1-1. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3021 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.149 |
Fnemecek, I have live in this city longer than most who post on this site. I have never had a problem with DPD response. Not in any administration. This thing about the cops is a usefull campaign gimick. Crime has been reduced even under Kwame. Sharon and Benny had a plan to eliminate the drug trade in Detroit. Hendrix calls the city dangerous to boost his campaign, but the data does not back up his claims. As for your honesty, you fail to hold your fellow supporters to being honest. Does it make you honest if you stand by while others lie to support your position. | |||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 364 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.212.169.196 |
Brian, You've lived here longer than most? You found that some others have the same opinion that you do? So? | |||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2087 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
Misty Evans was charged and found guilty. http://www.freep.com/news/locw ay/evans16e_20040916.htm This would be the "absconded funds" part. Bobby Ferguson was charged. http://www.freep.com/news/locw ay/kilp11d_20050211.htm This would be "aborgated the law" part. Christine Beatty was set to be charged, but was blocked by Cox: http://www.metrotimes.com/edit orial/story.asp?id=6269 More "Abrogation of the Law" This is not partisan politics, it is the truth. As to me being fair, I have been more than fair to all the candidates, as I think they all deserve the oppportunity to run and, if elected, serve. I have been equally fair on this board, even insisting that we balance rhetoric with truth. In my analysis, I have shown to each camp how they, in my opinion, could win the election- if a camp didnt follow my suggestions, then they have made that choice. It was freely given and hopefully freely received. Now we come to the heart of the matter- I certainly did offer my opinion on Archer the man, not totally the Archer years. I felt Archer should have stood more against casinos, as I beleive that political capital was unnecessarily spent. Or if he was to give a casino- he could have given one to Barden. But I wasnt the mayor and my opinion was only one of many. If I were Archer, I might have suspended the primary election on Sept 11, 2001 in Detroit, as the nation was under attack, and people were not focused on voting. But that might have upset the Kilpatrick machine, as it could have politically been seen as a bias toward a Law enforcement veteran in the aftermath of a national crisis. Archer chose differently and that was his perrogative. The point here is that each of us would have made different decisions based on who we are and what we felt was right and prudent. But I do find things that Kilpatrick has done amazingly brazen and not well thoughout, but that does not make him immune from judgement by the voters, and the voters feel, two thirds to one third, that he doesnt deserve a second chance right now. As a long time member of the board and Detroiter, I am glad that you passionately represent the other veiw of Archer, the one that was brought out by Ed Vaughn and other tried and true Detroiters- because eveyones recond needs to be examined and disected. It is the essence of justice. But be careful. When you say things that arent true, then we have a responsibility to check you. As you have done with me in the past, so I with you. I welcome it, so that the debate may reach the truth for those that do not know. There are impressionable people on this board and it is only honest and fair to represent points of view that promote growth and understanding. When we came on this board, there were those who sought to carve up Detroit and serve it next to the chilled shrimp on a platter. And there are those who still do. But there is a better sense of respecting the community that is here, due the thoughts of you, ras, dove, me, etc. I dont attack you, as I truly respect you. If you think that, then you misunderstand. I want your posts to be legit as possible, as the debate is healthier when you are right on. The only thing that will ultimately be true is that Detroit needs to go forward. I hope since your candidate wont be elecetd this time, that you seek to hold everyone accountable. Detroit needs you to...... | |||
Histeric Member Username: Histeric Post Number: 465 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.166.103 |
May I just say that Zulu ROCKS and Hendrix should be proud to have his support, even as I remain skeptical of his candidacy. A gentleman and a scholar with a Detroit twist. | |||
Sparkle Member Username: Sparkle Post Number: 636 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
I have to agree with the statement that Zulu Rocks!!! (even though I do have a problem with the pit bull statement) I am praying that the next 4 years will be much, much, much, much, MUCH, MUCH better than the previous 4 years, so whoever needs to be elected as mayor or to the council to make that happen, will be. Not mentioning any names......... Wow...cant believe I am posting in an election thread, ok bad to bed. LOL | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3022 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.246 |
Zulu, now you say that KK has a political machine back in 2001. He was just a state rep yet he had his own machine. Interesting. As for the lawbreakers, almost being charged does not count. If you are fair then you also must allow folks to be innocent. But if you want to claim things were blocked then it opens up a long list of things from the Archer years. One of which was the illegal application of credit cards in appointees names. You might find an online quote, but conveniently, most of Archer's years are previous to the local papers having an internet presence. Perhaps we should discuss Archer's closing of the Fine Arts bldg. Or his criminal activity in Brush Park. Or how about the corruption in Graimark. What about the constant criticism of C. Beth Duncomb and how folks said she could not handle the job and used her position as though it was her personal position. What of the alleged abuse of city workers by Trudy who used city funds and workers to redecroate the mansion when other pressing city services were needed. Archer racked up more negatives in eight years did than KK did in his three and a half. Now how does KK have a machine? The county folks are working with Freman as is the Gov. (and always have been). The state reps and state senators are split in more than three ways. The county commissioners are quiet but were just recently accused of using their offices for personal gain. All now have been forgotten in order to get Hendrix elected. But soon the papers will turn their focus back to other Black elected officials in order to turn them out of office. | |||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2088 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
Didnt say KK had a machine, I said Kilpatrick machine- which would include mom and dad and their loyalists. I am open to the long list of the Archer years issues. List them. A person should have the room to be innocent, as maybe the case with Chris Beatty. So even thought actions may be improper, they may not be illegal. Maybe that applies to Graimark and the other Archer issues you will list. Lets discuss. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3024 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.246 |
Zulu, I thought this was a discussion, per the thread title. But you and others have made pro-hendrix or anti-KK posts. Not focusing on the years. You posted this, "There are impressionable people on this board and it is only honest and fair to represent points of view that promote growth and understanding.", but have not do not do this in your support of your candidate. You present, as do others pro-freman's, a one sided view when it comes to your campaign. Its shows you to have a inferiority complex. Why when you claim in your post above that 2/3 of voters don't want KK. That is victory without working for it. Could there be negatives against Hendrix that frighten his supporters? Have you sold and bought all you could sell and buy? You list Vaughn when he is not representative of Detroiters who objected to Archer. Recall Ed Mcnamara criticizing Archer for not awarding a Black owned casino. Who is Chris Beatty? You claim actions as improper but not illegal which is opposite of what you said above. Would you say the same on your candidate? And if that is your definition of a machine, since Bernard was never elected, what of the Hendrix machine? | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 796 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.220.232.144 |
Come over to my neighborhood then. Like I've said in numerous other posts, I've had to call 9-1-1 on three ocassions this year alone. The first time, it took DPD more than a hour to respond with one officer. The other two times, I was told that they didn't have any officers available.
The only person whose posts I am responsible for are mine. Moreover, what "fellow supporters" are you referring to? The only position I take is that when a public official refuses to do their job, he or she should be removed from office. Freman Hendrix is simply the other guy on the ballot and, therefore, the only one left to replace Kwame "Let Them Eat Cake" Kilpatrick with. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3025 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.246 |
No mayor has refused to do their job. Your honesty fails because you wish to define 'job' in your own definition and then use that as your excuse for support rather than pointing to the personalities that direct your position on the candidates. Also DPD response time has not changed with any mayors and this includes when Benny was chief. | |||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1785 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
"If you are fair then you also must allow folks to be innocent." Brian, you must likewise acknowledge that being found (legally) "innocent" versus "not having enough evidence to charge", "acquital", etc. have very different meanings. And since when has 'criticism' been elevated to the status of something 'illegal'? | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 798 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.255.241.32 |
Baloney.
First and foremost, I haven't defined what the job of Mayor is. The City Charter did that. If you don't like that definition, you're welcome to try changing the Charter. It is the Mayor's job to act as chief executive of this City. He is ultimately responsible for the conduct and performance of all city agencies within his command. Second, personality has nothing to do with it and you're a fool for arguing that it does. I've said repeatedly that a Mayor is welcome to buy as many Lincoln Navigators, hire as many family members and do whatever the hell he wants as long as he takes care of his job. Make sure cops show up when I call 9-1-1. Make sure my street gets plowed in the winter and the trash gets picked up year round. Etc. etc. Blaming this on a "personality" issue is utter nonsense.
I've already explained this one a couple dozen times and others have backed it up with their own experiences. I've had to call 9-1-1 on three ocassions this year alone. The first time, it took DPD more than a hour to respond with one officer. The other two times, I was told that they didn't have any officers available. When Benny Napoleon was chief of police, however, they did show up. In fact, when Coleman Young was Mayor - they showed up then, too. That is a very big change and it is inexcusable. | |||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2090 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
My remaining challenge to Brian: Please list the failures of the Archer Administration. Please list the illegal actions of the Archer administration Please list the improper actions of the Archer administration. I want to see your list, as we are comparing Archer years and Kilpatrick years. We'll get to the Kilpatrick years after you post the aforementioned. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3028 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.162 |
Fnemecek, you don't know the charter which is why you are not too succesful in the CBD. The cops show up when needed, the trash gets picked up and the snow gets plowed as resources allow on the streets designated for plowing. The charter does not define how services are delivered. The charter does not mandate weekly garbage pickup. Now you resort to name calling. Its OK to like Freman and hate Kwame based on personality. No one said you had to have any such reason for choosing someone to follow. It doesn't make you less of a person. But to deny it is just dishonest. Your last post on the response of the DPD. They did their job. You just didn't like how they did it. Well you can offer to pay more taxes to employ more police. If Freman is mayor he has not promised more police or faster response times. Your argument is one of personal issues not mandated duties. Zulu, read the thread. Do you wish folks to forget the failings of Archer so they will only concentrate on what you list as the failings of KK? That is also dishonest. Don't participate in this thread if you can't participate. Bratt from your first post, "Archer years: Businesses coming to Detroit." which only occured because Archer either paid and or subsudized EVERY Biz development during his terms. He gave away land below market costs. He awarded hundreds of millions in tax breaks. He mortgaged the future. It has nothing to do with KK's budget problems. But it has everything to do with the poor business market in Detroit. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3029 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.162 |
Zulu, did anyone mention this?
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Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 802 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.61.123 |
I'm sorry. You're saying that the mayor isn't the chief executive of this city. Well, then - oh, great and wise one - please enlighted us. If it's not the mayor, who is the chief executive of this city?
No, they don't. You're welcome to come into my neighborhood and see for yourself if you doubt me.
Usually, but not with as much regularity as it was under the Archer and Young administrations.
In the entire time that the Big Diamond has been mayor, my street has not been plowed once.
You're right. Quite frankly, I don't care how they're delivered. I don't care how he gets the cops to show up, I only care that he does. I don't care how he gets the trash picked up, I only care that he does. I don't care how he gets my snow plowed, I only care that he does.
I see. And just out of curiousity, what does it make you for insisting that this all based on personality when every shread of evidence points to the exact opposite conclusion.
Really? So, you're saying that by not showing up they "doing their job"? Hey, I have an idea! Let's open the Kilpatrick Restaraunt. You can order anything you want, but you won't get any food. Just a bill. How long do you think it'll stay open?
I really don't think police officers showing up when I call 9-1-1 is a "personal" issue. | |||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 3932 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.31.87 |
Frank... It's just not worth it, man. I think we've all come to the conclusion that Brian lives in an entirely different and radical reality than the rest of the Detroit area. Let's just leave him to top threads that died 3 days ago all by his lonesome. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3030 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.162 |
Fnemecek, unless you live on a major street or a school route like Grand River or livernois, your street was never plowed. Detroit does not and has never plowed residential streets. This is an example of your dishonesty. Trying to blame KK for something that never happens. Or the DPD response. You can verify your story. But you would have to post your neighborhood and the date and time of your call to 911. Its all logged including the responses. MOre of your dishonesty is your assertions that the garbage is not picked up each week. Too many lies being told to get your candidate elected. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 803 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.61.123 |
Archer started plowing residential streets when 6 inches of snow hits. If you spent more time in Detroit, you would've know that one. Aram: Good point. Okay - Brian - post whatever you want. Believe whatever you want. The rest of us just looking forward to having the Big Diamond gone so the nightmare will be over. | |||
Histeric Member Username: Histeric Post Number: 468 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.43.166.103 |
Sorry Frank, We had to dig ourselve out in Corktown. I don't know what the F you are talking about....six inches...twelve...thank goodness for Sam at Downtown Mobil with his plowtruck or we never would have left the street. I remember distinctly that it was plowed that year in Berry Subdivision while Corktown dug itself out. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 805 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.228.94 |
Histeric: When was this? Archer changed the City's policy after a huge snow storm we had during the winter of 1998/99. It was after that storm when everyone really realized that the City didn't have a policy to plow residential streets. After the result media fury (see the News/Freep archives if you don't remember), Archer made the change. I remember DPW plowing my street (in Warrendale - near W. Warren and Southfield Fwy.) twice that winter and once the following one. All of that stopped, of course, in 2001 when the Big Diamond took office. | |||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 1674 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 128.253.224.209 |
This snowjob story is kinda funny. Let's see ... Detroit never ever plowed residential streets back in the olden tymes (scroll through the being a kid in Detroit thread for baby boomers and old x'ers reminiscing about shagging cars on snow rutted streets). CAY, Gribbs, Cavanaugh ... even the paleolithic mayors never plowed residential streets. Black Detroit, white Detroit, boomtown Detroit, rubble Detroit doesn't matter the residential streets were left to their own devices. Blocks could choose to either (1) ignore it since most winters it wasn't too bad or (2) hire someone with a plow to do the streets (it is relatively cheap if you pay in advance and can get enough people on your block to ante up, it is more expensive if you wait until a particularly bad snowfall and flag down a circumstantial entrepreneur) or (3) do it themsleves. Btw, as an aside, this is an example of Detroit's lassier faire pro-capitalist attitude (Yay freemarket boo nanny state, ya wanna live in some sociallized nanny state move to Dearborn, lol!) It became very clear to me that Archer's administration had (1) little community support and (2) was weak on day-today city operations when back after one particularly bad snowfall one winter a variety of community groups were able to sucessfully make snow plowing an issue to embarrass the mayor. A poor job of timely plowing major thoroughfares morphed into residents snowed in on their side streets due to a callous mayor. Archer handled the issue terribly and got BAAAAD national press. (It was a real embarrassment, remember al the bad press about the airport being closed and people stranded in their homes etc. etc.?) It was a big snowjpob but it showed political Archer's Achilles' heel. Archer then instituted a nominal policy of plowing residential streets after bad snowfalls (is it >6"? whatever) however I understand there was no increase in budget to realisticly cover this policy and it was exercised shall we say sporadicly at best. Anyway my family and friends in Detroit have continued to deal with their residential streets as theey always have either hiring it done, plowing it themselves or flagging down a guy in a truck to do it ad hoc(And I'm not just talking about name brand neighborhoods.) Anyway, perhaps fnemeck is on to something, city services to residents may be a good wedge issue to push against KK. Certianly it has ben used before. But recognize it for what it is ... BTW, fnemeck I agree with you (after moving away from Detroit I've lived in a few other cities and even one suburb and ALL promptly plowed residential streets) city snow plowing is nice to have. I also agree with you in principle about DPD response. These sort of issues are certainly legit to bring up however there is very little difference between KK and his immediate predecessor on this. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3031 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.191 |
Fnemecek you may live on the school route which is why it got plowed. But Archer's snow policy was BS. It was in response to the media kicking his ass for not having the CBD plowed for the AutoShow. Folks have to climb over 6 ft of snow in some places. As for Warrendale and the DPD, you live in a bad neighborhood with a fast growing drug problem. Selling, distributing and using. Your neighbors have done nothing to focus on this over the years instead they tried to focus on their demographic changes. Warrendale now takes more resources out of that precinct than it should proportinally speaking. Rustic some cities also pick up the tree leaves for residents. Its up to the community. Some newer communities do not plow their streets. Then some communities do not want residents to put their garbage at the curb. I would like to see Hendrix use other smaller cities that have specialized services as a comparison to Detroit's services. Perhaps the city will plow my street and pick up my leaves. But then I could kiss any possible tax breaks goodbye. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 806 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.228.94 |
It's really obvious that you've never set foot in my neighborhood. My neighbors and have done nothing to focus on drug trafficking??? As I've said in numerous other posts on this issue, we've reported the dealers to the police. We've organized and maintained a radio patrol. We've fed DPD a steady diet of who is doing the selling as well as when and where it's happening. What else could we possibly be doing that we're not? Seriously! What else? Can anyone name a single neighborhood anywhere in the country that's done more than us? The problem is that, sooner or later, you need to have a cop show up and make an arrest. Ordinary citizens can only do so much. Sooner or later, the police have to become involved in responding to crime. When they don't, and when mayor refuses to do anyting about it, you have a major problem. What was a relatively small problem a few years ago simply gets worse and worse because every drug dealer and user knows that they operate with impunity. And you're trying to blame this one on the residents? You really need to spend more of your time in Detroit, Brian.
Okay - if we pay the same taxes as everyone else and we get no services in return, how are we taking out a disproportionate amount of resources? Before you try posting another diatribe, please do yourself a favor. Start reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L ogic | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 807 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.228.94 |
True, however, I hasten to point out that Detroit change considerably during the eras of Roman Gibbs to Dennis Archer. In the 1940s, for example, the number of people who were 65 years of age or older and living by themselves was relatively small. I couldn't find statistics but, from an anectdotal basis, it was probably less than 5% of the population. Today, that number is 2 - 3 times that numbers. Second, there is a much smaller number of families with school-aged children. Moreover, in those families with school-aged children, they tend to have a fewer number of them. When those two demographic trends are combined, it means that we have a larger number of people who are no longer capable of shoveling their own snow (i.e., they're too old to do it safely) plus a smaller number of people who can help. Add in a greater number of renters who simply don't care and you have a situation where it's almost impossible for a community to do it themselves. This eliminates option #3 from your list. Hiring someone to do it is still an option. However, after the higher taxes and insurance that we pay in Detroit, that also diminishes as an option. This basically leaves us with option #1 from your list. Ignoring it is easy in mild winters. However, when the weather gets nasty, it's also not a very good option. Also, I object you referrind to Dearborn as a "socialized" nanny state. Their taxes are lower than Detroit's, which is a fundamental difference between a socialized and free-market state. | |||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 1975 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.248.72.198 |
Brian, your post;
What the hell? You're happy to see another neighborhood in our city fall apart? You don't get it. While we are a minority in this City, we don't care. We love this City and wish it to be what it can be. I'm tired of the racism on both sides. I can list numerous White forumites to whom the colour of skin is unimportant, quite a few Black forumites, and a few Yellow and Red contributers as well if that is important to you. WE SHARE THIS COMMUNITY. WE ARE NEIGHBORS and FRIENDS. If we are ever able to end this Racist Schitt, we've to see people as individuals, communicate, and accept differences. I can't apologize for those of my skin colour who are assholes, but don't dump me in to that group, just as I could not group anyone with a different skin colour as an homogenous group. Just truthfully ranting after a couple of glasses of wine. Awaiting an invasion from a Alien species from Outer Space so we might realize that we share this space. | |||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 1677 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 128.253.224.209 |
Fnemecek, my comment re Dearborn was meant to be humorous via irony (re that recent thread re Detroit having a socialist city gvt), I'm sorry it didn't read to you as I intended it. As to your comments re options for taking care of the snow on your own block, well... anecdotally (pace your example in your post to me, lol) I know Detroiters who happen to do EACH of those options. Quit yer whining. :P As I said snow plowing is certainly a handy city service, which I enjoy in the town where I currently live. In the grand scheme of things is it that big of a deal? IMO, not so much, but whatever, it's yer city and if that's what sincerely gits ya riled up ... more power to ya. On the other hand if you are more deliberately using it as a tactical wedge issue ... well ... certainly that has precendence in city politics as I mentioned above ... again more power to ya but don't try to play naif if ya eventually git called out for doing this. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3033 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.205 |
Fnemecek you are not trying to compare the percentage (of which you just guess the number) of the seniors in Detroit when the city had 2 million persons and few burbs to today? How far will Helmut supporters go. As for the DPD/Drugs, a paper which endorsed Helmut printed a story which was discussed on this site how your neighborhood spent more time focusing on who was moving into the neighborhood and how to keep them out instead of the problems you now encounter. Enjoy. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 813 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.255.246.229 |
Brian: I believe this is the newspaper story that you're referring to. http://www.metrotimes.com/edit orial/story.asp?id=7955 If it's a different one, please feel free to post it. Now, if you had actually bothered to read said story instead of simply talk about it, you would've noticed that the racial concerns you mentioned in your previous post related to the Malcolm X Academy in the early 1990s. In the almost 15 years since then, everyone who was opposed to it has either died or moved. Moving into the area since then has been a healthy mix of whites, blacks, Arabs and Latinos. This is why the article referred to Warrendale as "one of those rare Detroit neighborhoods; it is actually integrated." If you had actually read the article, you would've noticed the complete absence of any reference to any racial or ethnic matter in recent years. Of course, if you had read the article you would've also noticed the frequent references to the complete and utter lack of city services as well as to references of its residents doing all of the work. This also corraborates my frequent posts and refutes yours. Read, Brian. It's not that hard. | |||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1029 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.6.53 |
People who get their primary source of info from the Michigan Citizen are more than likely than not to say bad things about Freman Hendrix, Dennis and Trudy Archer (and their sons), and her sister Beth Duncombe. And usually they get so brainwashed by it that "their minds are already made up, so don't bother confusing them with the facts". I don't know how long this rag has been around, but ever since former Mayor Archer slighted Don Barden by not giving him a casino license, these people, and the "Call 'em Out Coalition" headed by Ernest Johnson, have had a personal smear vendetta agains anything and anyone related to Archer, including Hendrix. Notice the disrespect they give Freman on this thread. It is all that Michigan Citizen brainwashing at work here. Only the smarter readers concede that they don't believe everything they read in it as gospel. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3035 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.130 |
The only place I recall reading about Beth Duncombe is when Nolan Finley wrote an editorial saying that she was not qualified to do her appointed position. (Given to her by her brother in law.) | |||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2098 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.251.27.41 |
Still waiting for Brian's list... | |||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 2933 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
I really wish I had a cricket chirp sound file for you Zulu. BTW, Brian has repeatedly alleged and implied illegal activity by Archer, including potentially murder, in connection with the Brush Park/Crosswinds redevelopment. He is the only source / poster / person vaguely hinting at something, yet he steadfastly refuses to elaborate. Any clue as to what he may be yapping about? | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3036 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.11 |
Zulu, you are going to be dishonest or will you pretend that items above, critical of Archer were never posted.
Bratt, what you get is Helmut supporters trying to prevent criticism of Archer. But they claim Archer ain't running. Why should they care if Dennis gets beat up? WAIT, KK promised that the BC would be developed. And come to think of it so did Skulker. In fact folks on this site said that a maker of toilet paper and commerical bathroom products was one of the best in the country to rehab the BC. In fact they also stated that the CBD market was HOT and that it made the BC a profitable enterprise. Further, the FOBC made alot of claims that never came true in their attempt to push their politics on the city in the CBD. Now they are all looking for someone to blame and they have settled on Kwame. GOOD. Archer blew up Hudsons and Helmut didn't say a word. Perhaps I should go back to describing what is a pseudo preservationist and why in the CBD they put personal politics over their self-prescribed love for old bldgs. | |||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 1686 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 128.253.224.209 |
An old thread from this forum on Brush Park Yay Detroit! | |||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 726 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Who would have ever thought Brian would be such a preservationist and fan of the Detroit News. | |||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 2961 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.103.104.93 |
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Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 867 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.40.156 |
Okay, Skulker - that was just too dang funny! | |||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 938 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
"WAIT, KK promised that the BC would be developed. And come to think of it so did Skulker." And they have repeatedly said the negotiations are still in progress. Brian, will there be an apology for your constant criticism in this matter if the renovation does take place? I'm not trying to back you into a corner... I'm just saying that you've made this almost a personal attack on the credibility of KK and Skulker. KK doesn't have any credibility left in my mind, but... to me... Skulker has proven otherwise over the course of time. Just give me a straight up yes or no answer. | |||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 2130 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 152.163.100.195 |
lol at skulker...... | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3045 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.191 |
Helmut supporters don't want true issues to surface, it can only hurt their candidate. As for credibility, it was stated a long time ago that the BC will not be redeveloped because it costs too much. The city tried to pay a company to redevelop it via the DDA and NEZ and other slight of hands to funnel tax dollars into the project but even with that money it costs too much. Folks who are pushing the BC project are not being honest. So pose your question to others as I have remained firm in my position. How long should negotiations occur? Is Four Years enough before the project dies? Or maybe KK will wait until he leaves the mayors office to announce that the project is going forward. KK was smart enough to announce that the MCS could not work because there was not enough money. KK could have sold bonds to cover the cost but the money he was refering to was tax dollars which would have funneled into the project, just like the BC. (I think the MCS already sits in a tax free zone.) In fact, I'll repeat how the Archer/Engler tax zones have hurt Detroit. And lets not forget how Archer praised how Clintons tax free zone would help the city which instead it did NOTHING. Primarily because Archer wasted the money and had no plan. Almost as though Archer did not want those zones to produce anything. So Llyn, however long you want to wait is fine by me. Eventually the end will come. It will be up to you what you want to believe at that point. As for KK, he never had credibility. If you listened to me back then you would have voted for Gil and at least not had all of these problems. But the same prejudices that now drive folks to Helmut drove folks to KK 4 years ago. That goes for the burbs and the city supporters. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 887 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.255.237.48 |
OMG!!! Brian - you've said some incredibly stupid things in the past, but this is the stupidest thing ever said in the entire history of stupidity. Saying that the pro-Detroit/Hendrix supporters don't want to talk about the issues is like saying that the Pope can stand going to church. We spend more time talking about the issues, and go into more detail, before lunch then you and any three Kilpatrick supporters will do in your entire lifetime. Who started talking about the police and how they don't show when you call 9-1-1? Which one of the Kilpatrick supporters was it that started talking about the responsiveness of the 3-1-1 service? Who was it that talked about the impact of delaying DPD/DFD restructuring on ordinary Detroiters? Who was it that first talked about widescale street light outages in the New Center? And while I'm asking questions, neither you nor any one else has answered the questions that Zulu asked two weeks ago? Once you start talking about the issues with even 1% of the frequency and accuracy as we do, you can start talking about trash about Hendrix. Until then, kindly shut the hell up and go have a seat at the kiddie table. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3047 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.163 |
Fnemecek all you have done, as has other Helmut supporters, is list those things you think will count as criticisms against KK in this election. Those are not issues. The issue is whether or not a resturing plan would make a difference. Just having one doesn't do anything. Ditto with Helmut's plan for the DPD. It does nothing except highlite the status quo. Perhaps Benny will give Helmut the right plan to reduce crime since they are now working together. Other issues, since all you now know how to do is attack, are the performance of the DPL. Lights being out is a fact of life. Archer proved that he could not do anything to prevent the lights from going out. KK has continued this practice. But the issue is what is the best use of the DPL. Few folks talk issues here, most just complain and try to explain how they would like to remake Detroit. Ditto for the many Helmut supporters. Ever since you lost the ML, BC and MCS you have been angry. Will Helmut promise you anything close to preservation? His platform did not include it. Only Sharon had a plan that included preservation. Zulu has the begining of his list above. He chooses to ignore what has already been posted. Helmut supporters have frequently followed this pattern. This election has settled into one of class and race. Out of the mouths of BOTH candidates. And we know where most on this forum stands. Folks in favor of gentrification, in favor of tax breaks in order to build, etc. All policies that KK and Archer supported. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 888 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.217.229.181 |
Brian: In an effort to save your reputation and prevent you from becoming the laughing-stock of Detroit, I strongly encourage you to read this before your next post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L ogic Reading it will only take a few minutes, but it will save you a life time of embarrassment. With that in mind, let's review your most recent rambling.
Oh, this one is so far off on so many levels. Let's start with the most obvious. Crime is an issue. Public lighting is an issue. If you question the effectivness or appropriatness of a given candidate's stance on an issue, you are now talking about the quality of his or her stance on an issue. The simple fact that you don't like how a certain candidate addresses an issue, doesn't mean that they're not talking about an issue. If you had read the article linked about on logic before your previous post, you would've known that.
Okay, once you get done reading that article on logic, I then recommend that you read Hendrix's plan on crime. If you had read it, you would've known that it has nothing at all to do it the status quo. You can read it at http://fremanhendrix.com/crime .htm Again, please be sure you read the article on logic fist or you won't understand it.
First, I'm not angry. I'm disappointed in the loss of jobs and tax revenue; there's a difference. Second, we only lost the Madison-Lenox and Statler. The Book-Cadillac Hotel and Michigan Central Station are still standing; the tools and market to redevelop them are still in place. More over, the B-C is still moving closer to redevelopment. The DDA and DEGC aren't as public in providing updates as I would like, but they are moving forward. If anyone doubts it, simply take a look at the amount of equipment and materials that are on-site as well as the type of equipment and materials. There's more and more of it on site and it's the type used for redevelopment as opposed to demolition. If you spent more time in Detroit, you would've known that.
I will not disparage McPhail's platform. However, she is no longer on the ballot. The two candidates on the ballot are Kwame M. Kilpatrick and Freman Hendrix. Our choice is between them. I have said on multiple occassions that Hendrix was not my first choice for mayor nor did I vote for him in the primary. However, even on his worst day, he's still much better than Kilpatrick.
No he doesn't. One of the things that he asked was, "Please list the illegal actions of the Archer administration." You responded by saying, "his criminal activity in Brush Park." You didn't elaborate on what that "criminal activity" was nor did you cite any proof that it ever happened. That's not a response, it's a cowardly dodging of the question. You also ignored Llyn's question.
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Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3049 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.74 |
Zulu, recall the court rulings against Archer in his illegal attempts to take land in Graimark. Also he was ruled against in his land grabs in Brush Park and his attempts to destroy the CDC groups and take their money which was a violation of state law. Not to mention how the riverfront casino condemnations was ruled illegal and forced the city to be on the hook for millions which forced KK to make a deal with the casinos to fund those lawsuit proceedings and now it looks like the riverfront is dead and only GM is able, and willing?, to buy up and own that land. Perhaps that was Archer's plan since Archer's son received a $72 million contract from GM. | |||
Skulker Member Username: Skulker Post Number: 2979 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.60.139.168 |
No court ruled the Graimark condemnation illegal. Two courts upheld its legality. A couple courts awarded larger buyouts which were subsequently overturned. The condemnation plan and the price offered per parcel was approved by City Council as well. I assume this august body would have vetoed it if it was illegal. Truth 1, Brian 0
Huh? Provide some documentation on this please. No-one stills knows WTF you are talking about on this, even though you repeat it as gospel. Truth 2, Brian 0
There was NOTHING about the purchases of the land for the riverfront casino locations that was ruled illegal. One of the acquistions went to arbitration and sellers were awarded higher prices than were origianally offered. Real estate experts agree that the arbitration price was WAAAAY over market rate. Truth 3, Brian 0 GM has purchased no more land along the riverfront than what they acquired as part of the Reniassiance Center acquisition BEFORE the announcement of the riverfront location of the casinos. Truth 4, Brian 0 | |||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 8554 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
Yeah, you're a few years too late for that. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 902 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.50.157 |
Supersport: Yeah, well, just trying to help the man out. *sigh* Some people simply can't be taught. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3052 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.242 |
skulker, you are the person who said KC was best for the BC than affirmed that the BC would be rehabed. Helmut supporters can't discuss issues they can only attack non-supporters. C Ya at the debates. | |||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1186 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.215.133 |
Brian, people on this forum, including myself, on most occasions attack your "unsubstantiated claims." It is when YOU fail to recognize that you can't back up the claims is when you get talked about. Here's a simple solution: produce something, for once, that has some substantial merit and maybe just maybe we won't have a reason to talk about you. | |||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 914 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.52.99 |
Royce: Sorry, you'll have a better chance of finding a virgin in a whorehouse than you will of getting him to produce something of substantial merit. He'd rather throw around one unsubstantiated allegation after another than simply talk about the issues. | |||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3053 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.105 |
I showed and explained why the BC could not be developed as was stated by folks on here and by others in the press. I even stated and proved how development works in Detroit's CBD. I even stated (which echoed what others also said) about how KK would do exactly what he has done because of what he did in Lansing and where his political system was focused. Many folks on this site modify their belief system based on their current idealogical preference. Which usually revolves around their core values. In OTHER words, Helmut supporters don't think Archer did anything wrong. They just think it all was bad timing. That is not love for the people of Detroit. That is wishing for population change. Helmut is/has advocated a modern version of urban renewal. |
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