  Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 329 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 68.42.173.147 |
Issue 1: Public Safety Kilpatrick - (+) Has been continuosly reorganizing the police department that everyone feels was long overdue. Has seriously improved public safety communications center for police and fire. Claims Detroit's crime rate was/is at an all-time low. Has been cited nationally for an excellent Emergency Readiness Plan. Was also cited for his response and leadership during the blackout that affected us a few years back. (-) Cannot seem to comply with DOJ reform requirements and timetables. Despite crime stats, the majority of people don't feel safe. Officer morale appears to be very low throughout the department. Lost the DPOA endorsement. Hendrix - (+) Won DPOA endorsement. Wants to re-establish mini-stations across the city. Talks about importance of community policing. Won endorsement from former chief Napolean. (-) DOJ started investigating the DPD during his tenure as DM because of police misconduct. Has not said how he will restructure the DPD. Police Chiefs during his tenure as DM were cited for several illegal promotional test-taking scams. Advantage: Kilpatrick Issue 2: Financial Health Kilpatrick - (+) Has two of the best financial minds running finance and budget - Werdlow and Short. Has had to work with a very poor national and local economy his entire term but has never backed away from the challenges to downsize city government. (-) Has watched city's bond ratings fall to junk grades. Has not been able to balance a budget since taking office. Did not take the advice from the experts regarding city's fiscal health when he should have. Has the city boardering on receivership. Is allegedly driving the city further in debt because of his refusal to implement Council's budget. Hendrix - (+) During his tenure, watched the city's bond ratings rise to AA grades. Helped produce 8 straight balanced budgets. Has a solid understanding of Detroit's pension systems and budgeting processes. Enjoyed a strong national and local economy during the 90's. (-) Taking credit for Archer's budget successes. Has not outlined his plan for attacking the budget crisis facing the city. Advantage: Hendrix Issue 3: Education Kilpatrick - (+) Pushed very hard for continued mayoral control but eventually lost out on Proposal E. Previous DPS teacher and DPS student who understands challeges facing the district. Wants to reorganize Detroit high schools so they prepare students for careers he identifies as emerging industries. (-) Upset many Detroiters for his position on Prop. E. Lost DFT endorsement. Is held responsible for DPS even though he does not have direct authority over DPS. Hendrix - (+) Wants to instill character education back into the curriculum. Opposed Prop. E, which placed him in good favor with many people angry about the state's intervention in DPS. Has acknowledged support for smaller high schools. (-) Does not demonstrate a solid understanding the challenges facing DPS. Angered voters while serving as reform board president. Backed initial state intervention but opposed Prop. E, which would have continued strong reform. Appears to flip-flop on necessary reform efforts and charter schools. Advantage: Kilpatrick Issue 4: City Services Kilpatrick - (+) Makes strong claims that garbage is picked-up on time, streets are shoveled, grass is cut every 10 days, and lights are working. Claims that building department overhauling has been dramatically improved i.e. - licensing, permits. Claims water department efficiencies have been dramatically improved and costs have been drastically reduced. States that his administration has completed more street resurfacing and pot holes projects as compared to any other time in Detroit's history. (-) Despite claims, many residents and businesses still complain about the lack of efficient city services. Residents and businesses continue feeling as though they don't get in services what they pay for in taxes. Still too much waste and costs for performing services are still too high. Hendrix - (+) States that during his tenure as DM, city services were dramatically improved. As a result, states that the city was able to attract more business and increase property values. Has very solid understanding of essential service departments such as DPW. (-) Despite strong economy and strong city financial health, essential services were still lacking. Has not shared his plan for improving essential services. Advantage: Even Prediction: To close to call at this time. Please add on and share your thoughts. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1044 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.212.208.87 |
Issue 1: Public Safety (-) The crime statistics have gone down, but the number of calls for police service have gone up. However, since there are fewer officers on the street, many of those calls go unanswered and the crimes never show up in the statistical report. No matter what the Kilpatrick camps says, the practical interpretation of their policy on crime is, "Ignore it and maybe it'll go away." Advantage: Hendrix, by a landslide. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1117 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Morena- You make some very good points with the Police Dept. I think Hendrix's plan for mini-stations is crazy. I want more officers on the streets not sitting in a mini-station. And I am no fan of the 50 mini-cams to be setup around the city. Big Brother watching is not the answer plus what are 50 cams going to do? There are an average of 400 per casino! Hendrix does not have any advantages by a landslide - polls typically call voters off the Grebner's List which is the TOP 120,000 or so voters and that does not represent everyone in Detroit. Kilpatrick is coming on strong...I spoke with a friend last night (mostly white urbanites living in the city) who attended an event for Kilpatrick at the Kales Building...and he said that a number of people left very impressed with the mayor last night. And conceded that he made a lot of good points. I hear he changed some minds and or left a good number as undecided. I am going to a house party later this week (similar format) and I am curious to hear what he has to say (I got my questions). | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1210 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.230.32 |
ilovedetroit, why don't you admit today that you will either vote for Kilpatrick. write in McPhail's name as a write-in candidate, or not vote at all in the mayoral election. Nothing you have said since McPhail's loss in the primary indicates that you would ever vote for Hendrix. Please, ilovedetroit stop with the "I can't make up my mine" stuff. No one will be any more upset with you if you just admit that of all possibilities, Hendrix will not be one of them. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1128 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Royce - Why do you care so much about what I think. I won't write McPhail in because I don't believe in wasting my vote. I will ALWAYS vote it is wrong to not vote. Yes, more than likely I will vote for Kilpatrick ... but I want to hear what he has to say to understand his vision for the future. I know what Hendrix's vision is (there are 400,000 pages of it on his web site). I also know that he does NOT have a tax plan at all and when he was pressed about it this past weekend at an event in Grosse Pointe he could not answer the questions that were posed to him. I guess he thinks he was in a room full of wealthier white people so he could just skate on by without answering their questions (taking their vote for granted) - another example of how he is an empty suit. So yes KK looks more and more appealing....sad choice we have this election year. OH well maybe in four more years we will have someone with a real vision and a real plan. But you are right Royce - I may just admit it and vote for him - why change horses in mid-stream for a worse horse! | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 557 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
I agree Ilove...royce what is your problem with IloveDetroit...JESUS. You consistantly get on the anti McPhail/ILoveDetroit yip-yap wagon. I think you are in love with ILove... | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1130 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Ha Ha Quinn maybe you hot on something. Royce - He loves me, he loves me not! | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1880 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.74.10.84 |
"I would absolutely support Kilpatrick if McPhail loses". -"ILD "Yes, more than likely I will vote for Kilpatrick ... but I want to hear what he has to say to understand his vision for the future." -"ILD" ...Still can't keep your stories straight (just like your erroneous "Hendrix suburban fundraiser" stories) Good thing "Ilovedetroit" and Quinn "met in the kitchen at a McPhail event". Funny how they came to the forum within minutes of each other with identical stories. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1131 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Metro - Keep up those conspiracy theories...I love them. You make my day when I see your notes to me...they make me feel so loved  Are you still denying being a paid Hendrix campaign staffer? | ||
Dfdems Member Username: Dfdems Post Number: 32 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.212.38.43 |
I am going to try as be as nice as I can about this but Kwame in no way shape or form should edge out Hendrix on public safety. Not even close. His leadership during the blackout? I had to go out to my ride and turn on XM radio to find out what was happening. It took almost 3 Hours for the city to start dispatching us (EMS) again. Then we had to use the ALS radios we use to talk to the hospital in the BACK of the ambulance. His readiness plan? I would like to know what it is; I am the one who is going to show up. The communications upgrade? Every one and their brother is in the state. The new vehicles? They are cheaper to buy new than maintain the old ones. There isn’t a whole lot of benefits for Kwame's side of the argument. Not saying Hendrix would do better or worse but Kwame is by no means doing a good or even acceptable job IMO with public safety Mike Detroit EMS | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1881 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.74.10.84 |
Issue 1: Public Safety Kilpatrick: Positives: 1. Handling of 2003 Blackout. 2. DPD/DFD communications equipment improved. 3. Claims crime rates are at all-time lows. Negatives: 1. DPD reorganization plan ruled illegal. 2. DFD reorganization plan ruled illegal. 3. EPU scandals. 4. Hasn't complied with DOJ reform requirements and timetables. 5. Majority of people don't feel safe. 6. Officer morale very low throughout the department. 7. Lost the DPOA endorsement. 8. Police and Fire runs are all all-time highs. 9. Failed plan for new headquarters. 10. Police and Fire layoffs. 11. Specialized units merged into others areas. Hendrix: Positives: 1. Won DPOA endorsement. 2. Wants to re-establish mini-stations across the city. Supports community policing. 3. Won endorsement from Former Chief Napoleon. 4. Under Archer Administration, brought in DOJ after decades of police misconduct. 5. Hired more officers during his tenure (using federal grants). 6. Crime fell during tenure. 7. Broken Window theory. Wants to crack-down on smaller crimes (speeding) that lead to bigger issues. 8. Plan to re-establish specialized units. Negatives: 1. Some view DOJ coming in as fed take-over. Advantage: Hendrix Issue 2: Financial Health Kilpatrick: Positives: 1. Assembled a good team, including Williams, Watkins and Werdlow (holdover from Archer Administration). 2. Archer/Hendrix plans (Ford Field, Campus Martius, etc. opened during his tenure...which he could/has claimed and the unsuspecting voter would attribute to KK). 3. Housing developments Negatives: 1. Poor local, state, and (for a time) national economy. 2. City Bond rating at junk status. 3. Has not balanced a budget. 4. Credit card debacle. 5. City on the brink of bankruptcy and receivership. 6. $300 million dollar deficit with no real plan out. 7. Driving the city into further debt because of inability to implement council's budget as well as police and fire reorganizations. 8. "Dream Team" has resigned or will leave at the end of term. 9. Did not take the advice from the experts regarding city's fiscal health when he should have. Hendrix: Positives: 1. City's bond ratings rise to AA grades. 2. 8 straight balanced budgets. 3. Has understanding and experience with Detroit's pension systems and budgeting processes. 4. Campus Martius/Compuware, Stadia, GM, etc. business developments. Negatives: 1. Will not have the economy of the 1990s to work with. 2. Current mess will be very difficult to fix. Advantage: Hendrix Issue 3: Education Kilpatrick: Positives: 1. Former DPS student and teacher. 2. Wants to reorganize DPS for 21st century jobs/technology. 3. New schools opened on his watch. Negatives: 1. Lost Proposal E. 2. Not endorsed by DFT. 3. Endorsed state take-over. Hendrix: Positives: 1. Wants to instill character education back into the curriculum. 2. Opposed Prop. E. 3. Supports smaller high schools. 4. Supports some charter schools. 5. Experience as Board President. Negatives: 1. Angered some voters while serving as reform board president. 2. Support of some charters is problematic with some voters. Advantage: Hendrix Issue 4: City Services Kilpatrick: Positives: 1. Claims that garbage is picked-up on time, streets are shoveled, grass is cut every 10 days, and lights are working. 2. Claims that building department overhauling has been improved. 3. Claims water department has been improved and costs have been reduced. 4. States that his administration has completed more street resurfacing projects compared to any other time in Detroit's history. Negatives: 1. Some residents and businesses still complain about the lack of efficient city services. 2. Continued (perception of) high taxes and not getting money's worth. Hendrix: Positives: 1. Claims city services were dramatically improved during his tenure. 2. Increased property values. 3. Has a solid understanding of essential service departments such as DPW. Negatives: 1. Some essential services were still lacking during his tenure (snow removal). 2. Some residents view DA/FH administration as too focused on Downtown and not enough on the neighborhoods. Advantage: Even Issue 5: Character Kilpatrick: Positives: 1. Family man with wife and three children. 2. Connects with some specific segments of the population (Hip Hop gen). 3. Youngest State Minority Leader and Mayor. Negatives: 1. Rumors about Manoogian Mansion Party still persist, despite being refuted by AG. 2. Persistent rumors about infidelity, partying (DC). 3. Race-baiting 4. Image of unprofessionalism and immaturity (Steve Wilson incident, not returning calls, tardiness, etc.) 5. Nepotism (friends and family jobs/contracts) 6. "Hip Hop Mayor" and negative connotations ("thug-life") 7. Lavish spending (Navigator, credit card, etc.) 8. Came from priviledged background. Hendrix: Positives: 1. Family man (25+ years of marriage) and two successful children. 2. Image of professionalism and maturity. 3. Came from working-class background and worked his way up. Negatives: 1. Some try to portray as the candidate of "corporate/suburban/Whites". Advantage: Hendrix Prediction: Hendrix: By 12-14% | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1882 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.74.10.84 |
Yes "Ilovedetroit" I ABSOLUTELY DENY BEING "A PAID HENDRIX CAMPAIGN STAFFER". On the other hand, do you now deny your many conflicting claims? Let's start with... You weren't/aren't a paid McPhail staffer and only a "volunteer that hands out fliers"...yet you admitted to working on her website as well as working with her at the Mackinac Island conference? And you are now supporting (and working with?) Kilpatrick (and still with SM who is in the KK camp)... | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1134 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Shelock Metro you got it all figured out. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 558 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.139.64.80 |
ILove leave metrodetguy alone...he's slow...momma always said be nice to slow people. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1135 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Wait Quinn why are you talking to yourself? hahaha | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1883 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.21.46.55 |
Oh Quinn you "impartial person that found the forum out of the blue" person you! Tell us, are you still "undecided"? | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1136 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Metro - How do you remember all this stuff? I imagine you as some nerd sitting around taking copious notes of what everyone says so you can play it back to us like a minna bird. You are one bizarre dude! | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1211 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.225.152 |
Quinn, I said this months ago to ilovedetroit, Brian, and to you and other McPhail supporters that the reason I responded to anything you folks said on this forum had to do with the smearing of Hendrix's character with one unsubstantiated claim after another. If it was Hendrix, Kilpatrick, McPhail, or any other candidate running for mayor who was being bad-mouthed by you folks, I would have been compelled to defend their character as well. Quinn, you were a McPhail supporter yet you have not been as hell-bent on crucifying Hendrix as ilovedetroit and Brian. They earn the wrath that they receive because they never stop with the unsubstantiated claims. If they want people to believe them and not get upset with what they do, then they need to become credible and stop with the unsubstantiated crap. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1137 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Royce - Why do you care to defend Hendrix so much? Do you know him? Why do you like him so much? Give me some good valid reasons. Have you met him? | ||
Dfdems Member Username: Dfdems Post Number: 33 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.212.38.43 |
Metrodetguy- The only thing I would argue with your points is the fact that the "upgrade" to radios for police and fire was/is on a grant for the police department and is to meet the States new 800mhz system. I dont think it would have been done save that. You made some good points, your a wealth of knowldge it seems, keep it up | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1139 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
He should be a wealth of knowledge he is on the inside. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1884 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.38.15.56 |
"Ilovedetroit" how do you post completely outrageous and contradictory claims and not expect anyone to remember them for their outlandishness...and your surprise when people don't believe you? I imagine you as a she-male that changed your mind about the operation half way through the procedure. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1141 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 63.149.5.130 |
HAHAHA Metro - You are so silly. Someone assumed I was a female and I just played it up as a joke. Other than that I am multi racial and I am a gay man. Other than the rest of this so outrageous claims etc... are in your head (which I am sure is very interesting place). I have visions of this balding white guy nerd sitting around cutting and pasting what everyone says into your own little FBI File. The vision is quite hilarious. You really need to get out more Metro. Is that house of yours in East Eng Village just so cozy that you don't like leaving? | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 1874 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 199.74.87.131 |
Hey Metro, you forgot something negative about Hendrix on education: he's against UNIONS. He feels that principals and assistant principals are "management" and "at-will" employees, so they don't need unions. Utterly ridiculous. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1887 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.38.15.56 |
"Ilovedetroit"...again you've previously claimed to be White...then Black...then White and Black...then White, Black, and Native American...then someone that doesn't identify with a particular race. And a woman with a boyfriend. And from Ferndale. A sampling of your tall tales..."the horses were tired and that's why McPhail was late"..."they told McPhail the wrong time and that's why she was late"..."I will absolutely support Kilpatrick if McPhail loses"..."I am undecided between Kilpatrick and Hendrix"..."Hendrix will not make the primary"..."I saw Hendrix speeding on I-696"..."I am an impartial observer who just found the forum"..."I was originally a Hendrix supporter who switched to McPhail"..."I was never a Hendrix supporter"..."I am a mere McPhail campaign volunteer who hands out fliers"..."I was at an event..."..."I have friends who were at an event..." | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1888 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.38.15.56 |
Ltorivia, you may make that a "negative point" in your own analysis, but not mine. That is your opinion and not a matter of record/fact. Hendrix has the support of several unions. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1143 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Well Metro that was all true...but the horses being tired part is very strange. I never said that. You are just mad that I am fabulous and you are a big ole nerd! | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1212 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.240.198 |
ilovedetroit, you really didn't get the gist of my last post. It's not that my feelings for Hendrix are so strong that I think he's this perfect candidate. I know I could never feel for a candidate like you felt for McPhail, ilovedetroit. My point here is that no candidate deserves to be bad-mouthed like you have bad-mouthed Freman Hendrix. Again, listening to you and Brian, but especially you, ilovedetroit, one would think that Hendrix is the devil incarnate. Hendrix, in my opinion, has the maturity and character to best handle the job of mayor of the City of Detroit. Mayor Kilpatrick has done some decent things for the city, but his inability to choose competent administrators and his reluctance to distance himself from family friends who are nothing more than petty thugs, are the main reasons that I'm not voting for him. Also, it appears that every time he opens his mouth he embarrasses this city even more than he did the previous time. It's time for someone who won't put his foot in his mouth. Case closed. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3118 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.235 |
MD, BD and other Helmut supporters only began posting 12 months ago. Right about the time Helmut began his town hall campaigns. folks said the same thing 4 years ago when I tried to tell them about KK, yall didn't listen then either. Hendrix is another would be 'one term mayor'. If he gets elected he will have just enough time to screw stuff up worse. (Then he can blame KK for four years.) Helmut promised not to layoff and to re-hire anyone KK cans. He can't keep those promises because of his claims that the city is on the verge of receivership/bankruptcy. The city is not but its what Helmut will use to gut the city and outsource to fullfil his private/public partnerships. Union leadership has short memories and they only exist in the present. Imagine if the Jews said that of Hitler. And Royce claims he is not in love with Helmut. Even McPhail is not above a little bad mouthing if she deserves it. But the problem always has been the biased media. They are either too liberal or too conservative. Royce said,
A big unsubstantiated claim. While the politics of KK and his group are fair game for 'bad mouthing' calling kk a thug and claimnig his family are petty thugs is just more instances of name calling. Helmut and his supporters have never substantiated that claim. Can they be proven thugs? To top it off, half of those administrators used to be Archer appointees. Duh! | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1213 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.240.198 |
Brian, two words: Bobby Ferguson. Read my post carefully, Brian, I did not call Mayor Kilpatrick and his family petty thugs. I was referring to Bobby Ferguson, a family friend, as well as two former Cass Tech classmates who were convicted of stealing from the cities petty cash fund. Brian, no unsubstantiated claim. Pure facts. Also, Brian, comparing the bad-mouthing of Hendrix to the bad-mouthing of Hitler by the Jews is ludicrous. Hendrix has not done anything heinous towards any group of people like Hitler did. Brian, do you have some dirt on Archer appointees that Kilpatrick kept? I never bad-mouthed them, but it definitely sounds like you're implying that these administrators are dirty. Do I hear you making more unsubstantiated claims to again bad-mouth Hendrix? If you are it wouldn't be the first time you've done this, and I'm confident it won't be your last. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3119 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.73.32.235 |
Royce, are you trying to get into the spin game like other Helmut supporters? You did not mention anyones name, you made a general statement. If you did not mean ALL you should have been specific. But that was your intent. You claimed that no politician deserves the bad mouthing that Helmut deserves. Helmut is now known for being a murderer, but he and Archer definately targeted the Black community. Under Archer (and I guess Helmut since he said Archer followed his lead) the Black community in Detroit suffered and was not better off after until Archer left office. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1214 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.240.198 |
Brian, you are the king of spin. Now, talking about unsubstantiated claims, this ridiculous shit about Hendrix being a murderer has to be your crowning achievement in unsubstantiated claims. This statement alone will get you a free pass to the "funny farm." Please try and explain this one, Brian. I'm "dying" to find out what proof you have. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3120 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.152 |
That was a typo, it was supposed to be not instead of now. To explain it for Royce, Helmut is not known to be another Hitler and therefore would not deserve the same 'bad mouthing' that hitler deserves. BUT Helmut does do other things which earn him his own bad mouthing. Don't dye Royce, its just a web site forum. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1144 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Royce- Bobby Ferguson got just as many contracts from the Archer administration as Kilpatrick. The press rarely reports it. But in this town (as I experienced with the McPhail campaign) if they don't like you they will tear you apart! On why I dislike Hendrix so much. HE HAS NO VISION! He just wants to say he is mayor. They guy is truly awful. He does not care about Detroit. He cares only about himself. Kilpatrick may not a lot better in some respects (he has to re-build trust) but Hendrix is just bad to the bone. Finally people are starting to see it. A number of McPhail supporters (and we are a very diverse group ranging from wealthy white, intellectual, activist, and the poorest of poor african americans to liberals of all colors)...are researching both candidates right now. A FEW are going for Hendrix and a larger number of are going for Kilpatrick. However, of the undecideds. Most are just not impressed with Hendrix....on friend agrees with my comments that he is an "empty suit".... We will see. I just dont think he has the brains and vision to make Detroit what it could be. Kilpatrick has learned - he wants to leave a legacy (he is young) and wants to rebuild Detroit. I heard him speak the other night and he impressed me when he spoke about how he was in Seattle recently and how he wants Detroit to be like Seattle. He talked about a vision that I have never heard Hendrix say...and he was honest about it to. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1215 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 68.255.240.198 |
ilovedetroit, you'd be impressed with a pile of crap, as long as it wasn't Hendrix's. Kilpatrick is not the first person to give accolades to Seattle. Actually, with all of his whirlwind tours of the U.S., I'm surprised that he hadn't made it to Seattle by this point. I guess when he was in Las Vegas he just stayed at the Casinos. He could have saved some traveling expenses by doing a whole west coast tour. At any rate, ilovedetroit, if you don't like Hendrix because he has no vision, that's fine. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I'm sure Hendrix has a vision. You just don't like it. Brian, you call Hendrix a murderer! Where's your proof? If Hendrix knew who you were, he'd probably sue your ass for slander and libel for putting out in public such unsubstantiated bullshit. You have truly gone too far this time. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1150 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Hendrix - can't sue Brian Hendrix is a public figure...he is a big boy...I am sure he can go cry to his mother if he is upset. And yes Royce he has no vision. I am not trying to pick a beef with you...you seem fairly intelligent. Information and thought provoking is all I am doing. If you think it is crap that is fine. But just wait as time goes on see what comes out...I am sure there is more "dirt" out there on both candidates. Just see who is the cleanest on Nov. 8th and who has at least a vision for Detroit. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1221 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.36.35 |
ilovedetroit, thanks for upgrading me from an idiot last week to fairly intelligent this week. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1157 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Well maybe I was drunk when I typed that Royce...I may be a gay guy but I am quite an alpha male when I want to be hahaha .... be nice I will upgrade you from "fairly" to intelligent. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1059 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.220.233.57 |
WTF?!? And this is different from Kwame "Charge My City-issued Credit Card" Kilpatrick how??? The only difference between Kilpatrick and Hendrix is that in Kilpatrick we have a scum-sucking toad who doesn't accomplish anything for Detroiters whereas with Hendrix we have a scum-sucking toad who is likely to accomplish a few things for Detroiters. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1159 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Fnemecek - This past week was a decision making week for me on my two poor choices for mayor. I truly was not 100% decided, I loathe Henrix (have for sometime), but I thought "maybe he can actually do something if he gets in"...I went to an event at the end of the week that Kilpatrick was hosting (house party) and I was impressed with his vision. Another pro-McPhail supporter had gone first to the DEC debate and a house party for Hendrix in Grosse Pointe last weekend. This gentlemen is well known and well like in Detroit and I trust his opinion. He told me that as much as he hated to admit it ... he is leaning towards KK as he feels that Hendrix will do absolutely nothing for Detroit. he stated that he was "not impressive" and has no "vision" ... he is just a bureaucrat who wants to be a top dog. After my own meeting with KK and his summation of Hendrix (which I believe) I decided that he is not the man for this town - to lead us to something better. Kilpatrick is NOT perfect...he has made many mistakes - of which some have been sensationalized by the media. Hendrix will do nothing for us... I believe Kilpatrick will. He is young and wants a future...Hendix wants to be mayor for 4-8 years and then run to his condo in FLA. Kilpatrick has many years a head of him to "make things better" either for him or Detroit. That is how I feel and what I believe. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1064 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.220.233.57 |
Really? Then what, pray tell, is that vision? I went to a Kilpatrick house party this past Tuesday as well. Let's face facts: Helen Keller had more vision than Kwame Kilpatrick does. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1161 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.226.188 |
Fnemecek - Look. I am not going to change your mind nor will you change my mind. And the other 10 people who read this probably won't be swayed either from their choice. I am not thrilled with either choice - I was an ardent McPhail supporter and I still am. There are a number of us who just feel blah about both of them as felt Sharon was the progressive candidate in this election. I have made my choice and feel that "my not so great candidate" is better than "your not so great candidate." Lets call it a draw. I respect you and the work that you do. Sound fair? And may the best "not so great candidate win". | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1890 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.38.12.136 |
"MD, BD and other Helmut supporters only began posting 12 months ago. Right about the time Helmut began his town hall campaigns." -Brian Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1881 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.74.10.84 | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1066 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 70.225.119.80 |
ILD: LMAO!!! Sounds fair. When this is over, let's grab a beer together. Brian, you can come too. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 1894 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.38.12.136 |
"This past week was a decision making week for me on my two poor choices for mayor. I truly was not 100% decided..." -"Ilovedetroit" --Once again, you stated several weeks before the primary in August (as McPhail was tanking) that you would "absolutely support Kilpatrick if McPhail lost". "I loathe Henrix (have for sometime)... --Once again, when you first came to the forum, you originally claimed to be "a Hendrix supporter that switched to McPhail". "I went to an event at the end of the week that Kilpatrick was hosting (house party)..." --And once again, you lost it at "I went to an event..." | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 341 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 68.42.173.147 |
Let's look at what the candidates say about crime. Kilpatrick: Standing Strong… for Public Safety. Creating a safe, secure city for children and families to flourish has been a top priority for Mayor Kwame M. Kilpatrick since his inauguration in 2002. And the results have been impressive, with overall crime steadily dropping for the last three years. Under the leadership of Mayor Kilpatrick, Chief Ella Bully-Cummings and the dedicated men and women of the Detroit Police Department have worked diligently to drive crime down. In 2004 alone, overall crime has dropped 12.4 percent and violent crime is down 15 percent after the reorganization of the police department and a refocused crime-fighting effort was installed to get more officers on the streets. These crime rates, the lowest since 1963, were made possible through Mayor Kilpatrick's focused efforts which made uniformed officers more visible. Officers have been reassigned to ensure more are patrol and more are in uniform. Also, all non-patrol bureaus have assigned a sergeant and officer to patrol high-crime areas. In addition, certain crime units were moved to precincts to effectively respond to major crimes and solve cases. Each of these initiatives has contributed to the $85 million in drugs that have been taken off the streets. Under the mayor's astute leadership, a Most Violent Persons List has been devised, which identifies and profiles Detroit's 25 most violent offenders and expedites their incarceration. Mayor Kilpatrick has also made strides for better investigative operations within the police department with the new Investigative Operations Division. The division makes way for enhanced crime analysis and better management of crime patterns and trends. Over the past three years, more than 15,000 illegal firearms were taken off the streets. In an effort to continue this successful undertaking to identify, arrest and prosecute those responsible for gun violence and supplying guns, Mayor Kilpatrick has lead a partnership between the DPD and the federal ATF called the Firearms Investigations Team. FIT, developed in 2004, is the first of its kind for the city. In another effort to get guns off Detroit streets, Operation Gun Stop was implemented through Mayor Kilpatrick's administration. This program was established to pay $500 to citizens who provide information that leads to the arrest and convictions of people with illegal firearms. Source: Kilpatrick official campaign website Analysis: Kilpatrick continues to state that Detroit's major crime categories are down substantially. The mayor says that under his leadership, the reorganization of the Department has put more men/women on the street to serve and protect. The mayor also says that under his administration, 15,000 weapons were taken off the streets and briefly describes a partnership with the ATF. Despite Kilpatrick's repeated attempts to remind residents that crime is down, Detroit residents say they don't feel safe. For many Detroiter's, safety is the number 1 concern and the mayor has not figured out a way to relieve residents of this worry. Hendrix: Cracking Down on Crime Let’s face it: many people who admire Detroit’s best residential areas – full of well-built, historic homes clustered on cozy, tree-lined streets – wouldn’t dream of living in the city, because of the real threat of crime. Detroiters are defensive about this issue, because the perception, and our reputation as a crime-ridden city, is much worse than the reality. But in lots of neighborhoods, the reality can be pretty rough. Few Detroit residents of low-income urban neighborhoods feel safe in their own neighborhoods and homes. Most people in tough neighborhoods keep focused on their work and their families and have little contact with neighbors. They use double and triple locks on their doors; they use The Club or a similar steering-wheel lock in their car; they own a dog that means business; and they watch their backs. The horrific outbreak of homicides Detroit saw in 2004 – 384 with many multiple-death weekends – has shocked and disturbed Detroit residents and non-residents alike. Despite traditional tendencies to sensationalize, the local news media have placed appropriate focus on this civic crisis, with Detroit Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings finding herself in the spotlight most of the time. Chief Bully-Cummings is certainly a central figure in our fight against crime, but leadership on the issue of public safety must start at the top, with the mayor. While it is true there is little anyone can do to stop an unstable person from pulling a gun on innocent people at home or in public – the mayor can set the tone on public safety for the entire city and the entire region. Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick’s habit of going it alone, blatantly ignoring good advice and best practices, is hurting Detroit’s ability to become a safer, saner city. The record shows that a coordinated effort of national, state and local government, community groups, businesses and nonprofit agencies can have a tremendous impact on reducing big-city crime. The record also shows that unless Detroit takes the offensive against crime and increases public confidence in the city’s safety, negative media coverage of the city will escalate nationally and internationally. And with constant bad press, we cannot attract new residents, retain current residents, bring new development to Detroit, or make significant progress on other significant fronts. I’d like us to take a closer look at how the application of partnership principles have worked to turn the crime situation around in Detroit’s past, and how they have made a difference in other urban areas around the nation. From there, we can discuss how to build on those successes to produce a safer city, beginning now. Source: Hendrix official campaign website Analysis: Hendrix suggests that a coordinated effort involving various law enforcement entities will reduce crime and improve Detroit's image. He says that past partnerships need to be revisited but does not provide any examples or details of past partnerships. Hendrix has said he will re-establish mini-stations and talks about the still popular "community policing" strategy. To my surprise, Hendrix makes no reference to the use of technology as a crime fighting strategy. Having spent the past 4 years as Chief Operating Officer at S3 in Detroit, I would assume that the use of technology would fit nicely in a lot of his plans for the city. |
