Drm Member Username: Drm
Post Number: 734 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.249.9.117
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 12:53 am: | |
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/c gi-bin/article.pl?articleId=28 040
quote:Crain’s asked a former banker and an expert in commercial finance to review documents related to the 1997 Comerica loan as well as two earlier transactions. The documents came from the Detroit Register of Deeds and the Web site of WXYZ-Channel 7. Lawrence Gardner, president of financial consulting firm Lawrence Gardner & Associates in Troy, said the documents bear the hallmarks of a business loan, with no signs of it having been a “sweetheart” deal. The transactions are listed with Wayne County as commercial mortgages and continuing collateral mortgages. “It’s absolutely a business loan,” Gardner said. “It’s a commercial mortgage, not a personal loan.” He said that financing typically is used by startup companies to fund construction. Putting up a house for collateral is common, unless the people guaranteeing the loan are wealthy, Gardner said. “The reason lenders ask for second mortgages on homes is they want to lock in the ‘moral fiber and commitment,’ as opposed to taking over the (business) property and investment if it doesn’t work,” Gardner added.
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Spartacus Member Username: Spartacus
Post Number: 49 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 209.114.251.65
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 12:35 pm: | |
I think Steve Wilson owes some apologies. |
Hamtramike Member Username: Hamtramike
Post Number: 400 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 146.9.52.108
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 1:56 pm: | |
Just curious, is it common for loans such as this to have no repayment schedule and no repayment made years after the loan is made? (Hendrix said no payments have ever been made) How does a banking institution complete an amoritization schedule or even know what the effective interest rate is if it is never due? ((I am not a supporter of either candidate and don't even vote in the city, just wondering) |
Spartacus Member Username: Spartacus
Post Number: 50 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 209.114.251.65
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 2:17 pm: | |
I have not seen anything in the public record that would suggest that there is no repayment schedule. |
Hamtramike Member Username: Hamtramike
Post Number: 404 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 146.9.52.108
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 3:25 pm: | |
I really don't know the specifics other than the transcripts of the interview on WXYZ. Hendrix was asked whether any payments had ever been made on the loan and he said no. Just thought it kind of odd that a loan several years old seemed like it didn't have any terms. Not sure about what info Stevo was posing the quest from. I'll look it up if i have time. |
Bindetroit Member Username: Bindetroit
Post Number: 1217 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 209.69.165.10
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 5:11 pm: | |
The publicly available documents - the only ones anyone in the media has seen - such as the mortgage and the UCC filings, did not have the repayment terms in them. The promissory note - not a public document - did but no one at the newspapers or at the tv stations have seen those. |
Brian Member Username: Brian
Post Number: 3150 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.143
| Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 10:57 pm: | |
quote:“The bottom line,” Hendrix said, “is that this was a straight-up business loan for Mulligan’s, and from a political standpoint, the voters in Detroit will understand it was a totally legitimate proposition, nothing improper or unlawful.”
Alot of doublespeak by the Helmut clan. No one said it was unlawful, but it did and does violate professional ethics. Perhaps this is why Archer waited until he was to leave office for suggesting the charter mandated ethics rule.
quote:“The reason lenders ask for second mortgages on homes is they want to lock in the ‘moral fiber and commitment,’ as opposed to taking over the (business) property and investment if it doesn’t work,” Gardner added.
I guess people are supposed to believe that just because there is a lien against the home that it will never be considered 'real' collateral. Its just in the paperwork for a 'committment' to repay on terms that have no repayment schedule. If Helmut wasn't an employee of McNamara or Archer he would never have qualified for this loan. BUT Crain's did show that Helmut's dealings began under Big Mac who is under investigation by the FBI for having county contractors grant him sweatheart deals. Ed never did anything wrong as well, it was his people who signed all the paperwork. |
Hamtramike Member Username: Hamtramike
Post Number: 411 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 146.9.52.112
| Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 1:26 pm: | |
Commercial loans are based on factors different from home loans. One of the criteria is "character". So to say that the deal was sweet because of who he knew doesn't really matter if the lender thought that made him more trustworthy and helped him meet the "character criteria. I would have more concerned for the repayment terms which seem like the loan is really a "loan" along with a wink and a nod. |
Drm Member Username: Drm
Post Number: 736 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.249.239.120
| Posted on Saturday, October 15, 2005 - 9:46 pm: | |
quote: would have more concerned for the repayment terms which seem like the loan is really a "loan" along with a wink and a nod.
What is so hard to understand about the fact that the repayment terms are contained in another document? |