  Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 72 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 141.217.46.39 |
all that I can say is WOW...I cannot believe that ANYONE would stoop so low to include photos of lynching victims in an ad...these people had names and lives and now the 'Citizens for Honest Government' is using this photo to advertise for their candidate...and prob using a copyrighted picture illegally at that! have you seen this full page ad? if so what do you think | ||
Eastsidechris Member Username: Eastsidechris Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 66.238.170.50 |
Care to fill us in on what the ad was about? And more specifically, what candidate was being supported through the ad? Please give us some context. | ||
Sparkle Member Username: Sparkle Post Number: 888 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 198.109.44.2 |
I saw the FULL page add, I think it was in the Michigan Chronicle or Citizen, I just saw someone making copies of it at the copy machine. It said something about the media was similar to a lynch mob regarding kwame and actual pictures of a group lynching I was deeply offended and told the person making the copies it would not be wise to post them up. | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 858 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
Eastsidechris, Mrsjdaniels was referring to: (wish there was a way to scan this) Lynching is Still Legal in American Picture of 4 black men hanging in a tree with there hands tired behind their backs. It reads We are under siege. The Main-Stream News Media have declared war on the City of Detroit. Hanging black men from trees is no longer popular, but a new form of lynching is taking place by way of the news media. they have repeatedly condemned those self-assured African-Americans who dare stand up against racism and bigotry in Michigan. The most recent victim of media lynching in Detroit is Our Mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick. It is one thing to disagree with the way the Mayor runs the city, but to sadistically attack him and his family on a very personal level is incomprehensible. In the past year the News Media has: Called Mayor Kilpatrick a "thug" Ridiculed Mayor Kilpatrick's appearance Compared Mayor Kilpatrick to murderous Dictators Fidel Castro and Adolph Hitler Disrespected the Office of Mayor, by regularly calling Mr. Kilpatrick simply by his first name, Kwame Failed to examine the eight years of Freman Hendrix's tenure as Dennis Archer's top aide Look at Recent Acts of racism in Detroit Cross burnings in the yard of black families in several downriver cities State-of-the-city speech where Warren's Maryor falsly claimed Detroiters were the cause of all the crime in his city. Racial profiling of black teenagers riding bikes in Eastpointe Henry Ford Hospital settlement of 2.1 million dollars to black applicants seeking employment The outrage by white Livonia residents, who don't want a Wal Mart in their city because it will attract black shoppers in Detroit A black teen mother from Detroit who killed her newborn goes to jail, while white teen mothers who killed their newborns get probation Why is the Media lynching Kwame Kilpatrick? He wouldn't Sell Away the City's Jewels The Media Lynch Mob Here there are picturs of: Mildred Gaddis Jack Lessenberry Brian Dickerson Nolan Finley They already stole: (with Freman's help) The DIA Recorders Court Residency Requirement Highland Park Community College Detroit Public Schools Now the want to steal: Water Department Belle Isle The Detroit Zoo Lighting Department Detroit's share of casino revenue Closed Cobo Hall Outsource all city jobs Once you give it away, you can't get it back. Just Say 'No' to the Suburban Raiders and puppet Helmut Hendrix (a.k.a. Freman} Paid for by the Citizens for Honest Government | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 859 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
All my years of voting and volunteering in various campaigns, I have never seen anything this disgrading. This is really sad and low. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1351 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.155 |
I have my suspicions.... but what paper are we talking about??? NAME?? | ||
1honey Member Username: 1honey Post Number: 860 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 208.39.170.90 |
Michigan Chronicle Oct 26 - Nov 1, 2005 page C-6 | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 363 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138 |
Damn | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1354 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.155 |
LOL.... sounds like the Call 'em Out" folks are at it again. It's their way of trying to scare African-American voters into voting for KK by using old racist propoganda.... and pulling at their heart strings. But you know what, it may work! That is the sad part. | ||
Sharkskin Member Username: Sharkskin Post Number: 375 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 66.178.227.202 |
How many people are actually in the coalition? I have seen nothing but poison coming from them. They are one of the reasons politics in the area are so damaged. How many people do they actually influence? | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 96 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.74.30.134 |
When I saw the add I was speechless. All I could think about was the exhibit of lynching photographs I saw earlier this year at the C.H.Wright museum. How could someone use an image like that for their own personal gain. This speeks volumes about Kwame Kilpatrick. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1355 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.155 |
Sharkskin, it is not just that coalition, but all those who are influenced by its' mouthpiece... The Michigan Citizen. All they do is propogate hate towards any black politician or judge that doesn't toe their "agenda". Why do you think so many hateful things have been said about those politicians on this forum. Like I've said before, these are the same tactics used by the Nazi's in Germany in the 1930's. Only there instead of showing a lynching of black men, they would show a German child murdered (supposedly) by a Jew. Hateful propoganda takes many forms. And it is still alive and well in Detroit! | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
The ad was right on the money those who are objecting and making excuses simply have little depth about the reality of white racism and white supremacy and its pathologies... I never have a problem using white racism and white underdevelopment to leverage whatever objective I seek to influence. It never amazes me how white folks and black apologists always seek to define how one should engage and impact evil ... | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 98 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.74.30.134 |
Mellodrama=Carlita Kilpatrick Have your shit packed by the 9th. And don't try to take those figurines with you. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1486 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
The ad is right...while a bit more dramatic than I would do it is truthful. And if you are black you know it deep down in side. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 99 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.74.30.134 |
Kilpatrick released the following response to the advertisement on Thursday: "This advertisement is not affiliated in any way with the Kilpatrick administration or the Kilpatrick for Mayor campaign," he said. "Detroiters are very passionate people, and while I appreciate the spirit of some of the content, I do not condone the images in this advertisement." | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
Jonesy=BOO! now run along white boy you are boring me.. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 100 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.74.30.134 |
Mellodrama= your average wigger wigger A white guy pretending to be a black one. You know, the kind of guy who walks around in Puffa jackets, with afros, and then wonders why people beat him up when he goes out at night."Fo' shizzle, mah nizzle, what's up with you, dawg!" *WHACK* "No beef, man, no beef!" *WHACK* Thanks for showing up 3 weeks before the elections. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 101 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.74.30.134 |
http://www.clickondetroit.com/ politics/5192504/detail.html | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 274 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
and I'm sure Mr.Hendrix and his helmut supporters won't use this ad for their own personal gains(yeah right)___ talking bout' hypocrisy! right-on for the Black Press! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
Jonesy=classic tough guy white male often seen in backing up in elevators and busy streets quickly moving out of way when he sees black males or having his white woman get between him and black males so she can block his fear. Jonesy=classic impotent white male often seen in rear of speeding cars yelling racial slurs at black men becuase he lacks the grit to speak up when he is around real men Jonesy= classic white male tough guy known to shrink when 2 or more black men enter a room and he has been running his mouth trashing detroit, expresses great timing in his speed of shutting mouth and ending conversations when real balck men show up... BOO! | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1488 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
I think it is a great ad in that it is impacting people and making them think (something we do little of when selecting our leaders ala George Bush) ...white guilt is causing the response of most of the people on here. I for one am tired of suburanites like Lessenberry (has been hot air balloon), Gaddis (big mouth paid political hack) and Finley (racist,elitist, facist,classicist anything with an 'ist on the end) telling US Detroiters what to do. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
Superb ad.. I love it when black folks define thier life and reality and play by our rules not the underdeveloped rules of white supremacy and black apologists.. We need more sambo awards and ads which spell out in black and white the lethal reality of those who have contempt for us 24/7 | ||
Detbest Member Username: Detbest Post Number: 70 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 208.59.122.52 |
Ad is bush league BS. Wasn't it Sharon McPhail who called KK a thug? As a black man, it is insulting that they try and compare the lynching of black men in Jim Crow South to KK getting taking to task for living like a king on the dime of taxpayers. That said, I'm not surprpised and in 11 days it won't matter one bit. Like sand through the hour glass, 11 days and counting.......... | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 102 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.73.58.199 |
ILD- Did you know that the head of the group who ran this add lives in Grosse Pointe? That was reported last night on Fox 2. A suburbanite droped $4000 on an ad showing three black men being lynch, and all you can say is "RIGHT ON". | ||
Machoken Member Username: Machoken Post Number: 872 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.86.12.2 |
I second what Detbest says. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3192 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.201 |
The folks who ran the campaign that did this ad are white and from the burbs. Ha Ha Ha Notice how they leave that out of the media coverage. | ||
Lurker Member Username: Lurker Post Number: 1467 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.196.220.198 |
Brian, the "White Media" mentioned that the guy was from GP: Freep: http://www.freep.com/news/poli tics/campaign28e_20051028.htm DetNews: http://www.detnews.com/2005/me tro/0510/28/A01-364390.htm The Chronicle never mentioned that he was white. Wouldn't want to piss off the target market of the ad. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1122 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
ILD - Even though I disagree with you frequently, I've always respected the fact that in the give and take we've had you've been fair and have tried to see things from both sides. Your unqualified support of this ad is seriously threatening that opinion. Say it isn't so. Be a big enough person to rethink that position... the person I think you are... from the Freep article - "Sam Logan, the Michigan Chronicle's publisher, said Thursday he wouldn't have run the ad as it appeared had he seen it first." | ||
Sharkskin Member Username: Sharkskin Post Number: 377 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 66.178.227.202 |
From the Freepress column, link posted by Lurker: "Citizens for Honest Government, a committee linked to advertising copywriter and political consultant Robert (Bill) Miller of Grosse Pointe Park, paid for the ads. Miller could not be reached for comment at his office or home. He created ads in the 2001 mayoral race for Kilpatrick's opponent Gil Hill and last summer worked on the failed mayoral campaign of City Councilwoman Sharon McPhail, who recently endorsed Kilpatrick." So this guy's backed Gil Hill and Sharon McPhail? Damn! Looks like Kilpatrick's gonna make it three strikes against him! Damn! I wonder if the Cronk got played! | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 242 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
Perhaps Miller isn't white. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 409 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 208.39.170.77 |
If he's who I think he is, he is white. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 103 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 198.208.251.23 |
The plot thickens. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1492 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
Llyn- I don't care for the ad...I stated not something I would have done or approved if I was running for office (which will never happen as I am too honest and we never make it in politics). But I look at it metaphorically as this is how KK is being treated by the media. YES it is in poor taste. But sometimes you have to have something SO dramatic to draw people's attention to an issue. KK is being villified by the press as the destroyer of all that is good (and in some people's minds all that is white) in Detroit. While he has made many mistakes with the credit card and Navigator (remember that Archer actually spent more including a trip to Hawaii for an American Bar Assoc., meeting after he left being mayor than KK)... he is still our best choice from a visionary standpoint. He is bright. He has vision. He has plans for this city. I honestly think the media has been out to get him from day one. The media (esp the News) has never been a friend to Detroit. It is news when we (Detroit) fail. I also think that deep down inside they want to see African American politicians fail (it sells papers). This may seem a bit over board to you but I am writing what a lot of people in this city feel. While the ad is tasteless and dramatic it is meant to make people think. Some will think for KK and some will think against KK. Time will tell. This week a GREAT american hero died - Rosa Parks and it doesn't lend much dignity to her memory by having it printed in the same paper that her story is printed. Yet it does say "we have come a long way baby..but not far enough" as a nation. Those are my thoughts Llyn - don't hate me. I am open to debates on all sides. | ||
Thewack Member Username: Thewack Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 128.210.40.133 |
See the ad here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.co m/showthread.php?s=2a2e2e1ca67 9e04283afec29a2ebf5b7&threadid =90251 | ||
Rgp Member Username: Rgp Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 63.114.54.18 |
There is no way to justify or defend this ad. The Kilpatrick people want to paint him as some defender of African Americans much like the Michigan Citizen wants to paint itself as the "black press". Well I am black and find the tactics of both camps distasteful. Kwame Kilpatrick has provided the press with ammunition to use against him if that is the case. He screwed up. He has been caught in lies. He is a disgrace and this ad just pours fuel on the fire. I don't know where some in our community feel compelled to settle for less than the best. We don't have to settle! Our children deserve more. Sam Riddle, Adolph Mongo, Sharon McPhail are all jokes. Could you imagine a Jewish politician using photos from the Holocost to paint a sympathetic picture of their campaign? And then add in, if running against another Jew? Come on folk lets be real. Kwame Kilpatrick is not representative of Black America, and the Michigan Citizen certainly is not the "black press". My world has higher standards | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1494 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
Rgp - Would a Jewish politician do a reminder ad of Jews in a death camp if he was running against a neo-Nazi? Yes, he/she could for a dramatically remindful effect. That is more or less how it is being framed. They are not so much attacking Hendrix as they are attacking the people who are trying to put him in office - they are calling Hendrix a puppet of the press. Again I am not arguing for the ad. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4351 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
What a stunning parallel... Not the first time a Kilpatrick supporter has likened Kwame's treatment from the press to Jews under Nazi oppression... | ||
Rgp Member Username: Rgp Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 70.227.217.181 |
ILD the press in Detroit is just reporting what Mayor Kilpatrick has done. This is the same press that embraced him four years ago and he enjoyed being their poster child for change in Detroit. The challenge is not that he is black. The challenge is not that he won't dance for them. The challenge is that he is sincerely incompetent. I heard Art Blackwell comparing the public's support of Bill Clinton to Mayor Kilpatrick. That is a crazy analogy. There has been nothing reported about Mayor Kilpatrick that he did not give them the ink to print. He tells us crime is down and we are supposed to believe it even when police officers tell us differently? He makes it sound like the reorganization of the police department was a great idea by him, but he was forced by budgetary issues to get it done. We are to believe that there are more officers on the street?? We will be better off without bulk pick up? Had he attempted to tackle the problem with the budget 3-4 years ago, people might be more compassionate. Instead, he had a good ole time, took care of his peeps, and the masses have to pay the price. That is not fair....we really do deserve better. I am not proud of a Mayor that gets compared to Marion Berry... | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4352 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
Here's a scan of the ad: http://gregghenson.typepad.com /photos/uncategorized/lynchad. gif | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1496 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
Then again Hendrix has a lot of questionable items in his past and present. Why aren' they given equal reporting time? Lets face it. If they Navigator and the credit cards were taken out of the mix...KK would have sailed to an easy victory. He has been given a "brass ring free ride" for the last several months. What is Hendrix bringing to the plate? Nothing that I am aware of. No solid plans for us. I am not saying that KK is the best for Detroit...but he is the best of our two choices. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1357 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.105.149 |
Rgp, welcome to the forum! Although unfortunately not on one of the forum's finer threads (an understatement, if ever there was one). | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1497 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
Oh yes, Rgp...I neglected to welcome you on board. Hang onto your seat you are in for bumpy ride  | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 256 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
ILD, Brian: this from the "Detroit Uncovered" website: "The much talked about full page ad that's appearing in the Michigan Chronicle comparing Mayor Kilpatrick to the lynching of black americans is an attempt by the Kilpatrick people to sway voters by playing the race card. The question now is who produced it and the answer is Kilpatrick supporter Sharon McPhail and her follwers. How do we know? If you look at McPhails attacks on candidate Hendrix throughout this mayors race they always leave some clues. First of all they never spell Freman Hendrix's name right and secondly they have consistently called Freman Hendrix Helmut, which is an attempt at a racial slur. Another embarrassing, classless act by McPhail and Kilpatrick." | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4355 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
It's interesting comparing the advertisement to the rhetoric consistently thrown around here by McPhail's supporters. it's right in line with the rank-and-file anti-Hendrix platform. There's something bigger here. | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 32 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 12.31.43.179 |
Regardless of what you think of these politicians, it is disgusting to compare public criticism to lynching. I don't understand how any of this political nonsense compares to being beaten, hung, shot, burned alive, etc. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet .co.uk/USAlynching.htm | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1499 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
Perry Mason AKA Southwestmap. Ok so EVEN if it is a McPhail supporter so what? I am a McPhail supporter and I would not have run the ad. | ||
Sharkskin Member Username: Sharkskin Post Number: 379 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 66.178.227.202 |
Wow, ILD, is this a new record? . Four hours later:
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Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
The ad has value and purpose and is useful. I do understand the posture of black apologists(forever seeking the validation of whites)and whites(embrassed and always seeking to deflect thier lethal legacy of contempt for blacks) so it is of no surprise here to read thier pc comments attacking the ad. I am glad some black people are beyond the limitations of pc civil rights decorum and impotent civility. Rosa Parks certainly was beyond the concern of a nice and white gentile society. All life is personal and everything matters... All speech should never be censored even hate speech. The ad has incedible value and I have no problem distributing it to as many people as possible.. | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2536 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.24.182 |
The men in that photo are dead. They were murdered. Last I heard Kilpatrick was still alive, and no one can seriously trust a man who would so cavalierly promote his self interests by displaying images of the dead. And no one can trust a man who would compare journalistic criticism to being hanged by a lynch mob; it's sociopathic. Last time I saw this sort of thing, Nick Berg was having his head chopped off on teevee, and right-wing politicians and their supporters pointed to it as proof positive that the war in Iraq was the right thing to do. Assassination as poltical fodder and entertainment. This ad and the rhetoric coming from Kilpatrick, his kin and supporters, only confirms what I've suspected all along -- If murdered Black men keep him in office, so much the better, and so much for any empathy coming from their quarter when your loved one is murdered. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 1211 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.213.205.34 |
Two things strike me as interesting about this ad. First, it might actually work to close the gap between Kilpatrick and Hendrix. Second, if Kilpatrick is re-elected then between this and his comments earlier in the campaign, we will have absolutely no cooperation between the City of Detroit and rest of Michigan. Kilpatrick's desire to transfer the Health Dept to Wayne County (interestingly forgotten in the ad)? No way. Build a new Cobo? Sure, in Oakland County. Regional transit? No way. Anything the Mayor wants from the State Legislature? When pigs fly. | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 35 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 12.31.43.179 |
"The ad has value and purpose and is useful. I do understand the posture of black apologists(forever seeking the validation of whites)and whites(embrassed and always seeking to deflect thier lethal legacy of contempt for blacks) so it is of no surprise here to read thier pc comments attacking the ad." What value/purpose/use? (other than to make people angry at the people that created it). | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4356 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
Interesting how all but one of the cited cited incidents of racism in "Detroit" happened in the suburbs. Incidents which are so pertinent to the campaign.... Give me a break. Also humorous is the liberal interpretation of the written English language. Who'd they have write this? | ||
Rgp Member Username: Rgp Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 70.227.217.181 |
Thank you folk for the welcome. I have been an observer for months and this ad just made my skin crawl. Jmy you are so correct. Mayor Kilpatrick's life will go on in a prosperous fashion win or lose. Many of us lost family members to lynch mobs. It is a classless and horrible way to get a point across. And Mayor Kilpatrick had to know about it because NOTHING in his campaign gets done without Christine Beatty signing off on it. With most of us there are some limitations, some sacred cows, some lines that we will not cross. The fight for dignity in a country where we were targeted to be chattel is one of them. We can't minimize that struggle, and ads like this one do just that regulating the deaths of those four men to a menial status. Negroes like Mayor Kilpatrick don't understand the struggle, the price that was paid and like to become black when it fits them. Freman Hendrix was deputy mayor and cannot be held to the same standard as Mayor Kilpatrick with four years of faux paus. Just like Anthony Adams cannot be blamed for being a good soldier for Mayor Kilpatrick. In this democracy we can all make choices thank God. And in many ways Mr. Hendrix may be an unproven commodity, but I KNOW what I have with Mr. Kilpatrick. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 257 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 64.79.90.206 |
RGP - magnificently said. Well done. I want to hear more from you on many topics here. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
Rgs, weak rants spoken like a person who is programmed by MSM pulp fiction and propaganda. The ad is a brillant and clever device and vehicle to awaken the passive and hopeless black voters who have been beaten into submission by black apologists on thier mission to secure white folks affirmation and whites who have never respected the stewardship of anything with black leadership at the helm. This ad revisits the reality of life on this soil but now it places this reality in a modern era where high tech lynching is as effective as car ads with girls selling pussy and leather seats for the corporate world. What is truly revealing is how folks seem to get emotional( I love it when white folks get emtional even though it is scary given thier group history in violent situations) when black folks employ emotional ads to drive home thier message and secure sales.. I do feel good that some of us define our own paradigmns and we will not be handcuffed by the impotency and so-called civility of a gentile society which will rip out our essence in a heart beat to retained thier priviledged status.. Really GM exexctives are 5 minutes away from KK's office and they are losing 17M per day but hell those are talented white guys...yeah sure..lol,lol,lol | ||
Jmy8 Member Username: Jmy8 Post Number: 2537 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 12.75.52.128 |
Well, then I hope African Town uses the same images to promote its shrimps. | ||
Rgp Member Username: Rgp Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
Wow young lady what are you on? I guess that you think ads showing dead fetus' from anti abortion folk are worthwhile as well. Surely as an African American you don't think that Mayor Kilpatrick,s self imposed problems are remotely equivalent to black men and women losing their lives just because! Your venacular speaks to your being more intelligent than that. It is foolish to use the term "high tech" lynching in comparison. The only thing Mayor Kilpatrick can lose is his job. Semi intelligent people know that for individuals lynched there is no second chance. They lose everything. He is not entitled to be Mayor it is an honor. To imply that he is being lynched is nuts....the media has not exposed him because he is black, it is because he is not a good administrator...the city's CEO has no clothes.... | ||
Jmil Member Username: Jmil Post Number: 1547 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 68.73.55.127 |
Sam Logan is a complete asshole. Hope the wife does not see this, or her whole family is going to hate me, But truth is the light. ILD, let me introduce you to jmil rule #2. Rule #2: jmil Rule #1 is my rule so I can break it. SHADDUP! I can't think of anything more annoying than a white person on a predomininately white forum, trying to convince black folks that they ain't black enough, or worse yet, how they should think or feel. That is just too strange. Where you a slave owner in a former life? yessa massa. Seriously, cut it out dude. Have at the rest, but that shit is old. Leave it alone. Thank you. Back to Rule #1 | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3196 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.139 |
What an excellent ad! I see why Helmut is angry. He can't connect with Black folks and doesn't have a clue how to connect with what is supposed to be his culture. Even his supporters either can't tell him or he won't listen. Its TOO bad and so sad. But not unexpected. Will Logan fire folks at his papers? Nope! As a republican he gets to go to the repub events and then is invited to Archer's and Granholms local events. But at least Sam knows his own community. How else would a Black republican in Detroit be as successful. Helmut won't admit or acknowledge the racism in this country and the racism which binds folks against Black folks in the Detroit area. Its been his downfall from the start, but its only really began to hurt him recently as folks looked to him for "Leadership" on what he would do as mayor, and he failed to provide any. Instead he just continued to attack KK. That is what Kerry did. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1506 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
Oh soutwest if he was anti-Freman you would be calling him everything in the book! Only 11 More Days to Kilpatrick Victory! | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 278 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.201 |
"mellodrama" y-t's tripp'in because they 'RECONIZE GAME'___ what the Michigan Cronicle and Michigan Citizen did was simply allow a historical game used in slave methodology in order to bring anything into light to discover the true nature of the person/ or thing__ that is to say , pursue in order to plot diversion/ or deceive ones-self with ones-own intellect. Images of american terrorism, lynchings, and barbarism are acts that are part of the americana human psyche and will always perpectuate itself into america's daily lives___ thus the shameful criticism of this brilliant article___ white folks quilt of the past/and present, the feeling of why can't they be like us, juxtoposed with Black apologist behavior of pain of the past and present, and why can't we all get along___ a nice docile plight of mankind (bull!) as both sides struggle with these images of torture. A lady on the radio spoke out against the ad___ she stated," ...(they) need to apologize for the shameful ad, well it's funny how white folks can easily think an apology can erase phychological wounds of the past with an apology---the 'shame-way' the u.s. senate belatedly apologized earlier this year for these very lynchings being descanted on this thread (all 4,743, of course we know there were many others). The media has traditionally sensationalized the use of photojournalism to perpectuate the nihlistic images of the Black plight___ evening news bias( see katrina ), stereo-typed comercials ( see sprite, show me my motto ads ), persuasive billboards ( see alcohol ads in the community )and the like___ how many of these same quilt-hobbled liberal white folks and black conservative apologist would step out of there cozy dispositions and address these daily lynchings? Power to the Black Press! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 39 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.66.237 |
Anyone that feels lynched by the media is just plain weak. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 73 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.220.63.77 |
ILD- I take offense to your statement about "if we were black then we'd know" being black is not about being VICTIMIZED its about being EMPOWERED...my ancestors were kings and queens and had it not been for slavery, we'd still have a legacy of royalty. I am sad that these ppl on this photograph were used in vain to tell a story about the way someone feels they are being treated WITHOUT ONCE thinking about the loved ones who stood around and WATHCED THESE men be lynched who you cant see in the photograph...DID THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW THEY FELT... | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1128 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
ild Thanks for the earlier comments. I understand your viewpoint. In my humble opinion, though, I don't think the ad makes people think, I believe it polarizes people. and mellodrama, what are you thinking... as if when other groups get emtional in violent situations it isn't scary... "What is truly revealing is how folks seem to get emotional (I love it when white folks get emtional even though it is scary given thier group history in violent situations)." Lord, deliver us from evil stereotypes on all sides... | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 70 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
Llyn, What does the Lord have to do with White males as terrorists(KKK, NAZI's etc). I do not recalll Blacks as an aggregate in this country engaged in mass group lynching and castration... But run and go tell the Lord on me for being a honest Black Man.. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1251 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.215.17.137 |
ilovedetroit, if the men hanging on those trees were four of your friends who were hung because they were gay, would you still extol the greatness of the ad. I don't think so. Also, as a white man I don't think you have the sensibilities of a black person to speak on the behalf of other black people. It's too late to try and clean up you crap with additional posts where you claim now that you don't support the ad. Stop being a turncoat. You have let your hatred for Hendrix cloud your judgement so that you don't even realize how offensive your remarks sound. Then you wonder why no one finds you credible. This time, ilovedetroit, you have dipped you hand in the cookie jar one too many times. (Message edited by royce on October 29, 2005) (Message edited by royce on October 29, 2005) | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1252 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.215.17.137 |
"What an excellent ad! I see why Helmut is angry." - Brian 10/28/05 Brian, just when I think that you can't possibly say anything more stupid than what you've said in the past, you go ahead and surprise me. You truly must be hanging out with the patients at Arkham Asylum. There are many in Detroit who are upset with the ad, and they are not all Hendrix's supporters. Don't make it sound like Hendrix and his supporters are the only ones upset with this ad. The bottom line is that the ad is offensive, and like the mixed-up individual that you are, you don't even realize it. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 1513 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.40.230.108 |
Royce - You are such a drama queen..."dipped my hand in the cookie jar one too many times"...lay off the booze when you go on this forum. I never said I personally supported the ad. It is great in that it had the desired affect. We are talking about it and writing about it. A friend of mine read about it in Vegas...so it is a "good ad" in that it got notice. Of course the desired outcome may not be good. Kind of like an ad that is so cool that no one remembers the product...memorable ad but no one bought the product. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1363 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.105.99 |
If that ad got noticed nationally, I don't think it is a plus for KK's national image, if he has one, besides being known as the Hip-Hop Mayor. It may have "the desired effect" locally, but I highly doubt it would nationally. Let's just hope that some folks don't sponsor an ad with a picture of the battered, but dead 11 year old Emmett Tyll, with the banner (from KK's mother) "stop beating up ma boy". But then again, I wouldn't put it past some election folks for another Detroit election gimick. | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3198 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.83.61 |
"Arkham Asylum"? That one will have to be explained to me. It doesn't matter who is upset. The fact that white folks are angry is enough to solidify the Black vote. Helmut is so quick to be the 'olive leaf' candidate and copy from Archer's stated attempts to work with the burbs that he continually puts down his own people and his culture. Helmut should have said "that while lynching is still a problem in this country, KK is not being lynched and instead is more of a sellout than a community supporter". It would have taken the steam out of the ad and drew a clear picture in Black folks minds. Helmut has the worst advisors. Helmut's own reaction to this has made it more powerful. Now Helmut is defending the actions of those 4 lynchers pictured because they want Helmut for mayor. Helmut cannot support everyone who supports him just to get votes. That is the first rule of politics. Look at how KK denies this ad. Yet the ad is in support of himself. Helmut should have distanced himself from Finely and Dickerson a long time ago. But he fears their editorials. Now what? Detroiters don't like those two gentleman. Then there is mildred. She is liked by Detroiters, or used to be, but her obsession has cost Helmut at least 10%. When she attacked Stephen's victim she really upset many people. She always used to say she stood for women but she has attacked all women who have opposed Helmut. She has lost her credibility and Helmut should have said that he appreciates her work but doesn't agree with everything she says. (Same goes for 1500.) But Helmut may begin an administration with too much baggage to do anything he wants to do. He has already cemented opposition to many groups. He refused to speak with McPhail supporters after the primary on numerous occasions. SO what will (we) do if he is the next mayor? Be quiet? Also, what will the legislators do whom he has insulted at each opportunity? He has created permanent obstacles to any chance of creating succes in Lansing. His only hope would be for Granholm to win again and for Brewer to do what he hasn't done in 15years, get democrats elected. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
I hope more ads will display the inhumanity of white americans and chronicle the legacy of the country's 2 holocausts on this soil. I am encourage that black folks have gotten beyond obessing themselves about the feelings of white america and thier twisted notions of morality and civility . Of course it was easy for whites to construct such an underdeveloped paradigm when they had black folks almost down for the count. The ad is just another tool at the disposal of a people continuing to confront those who have contempt for black's folks very essence. We should leverage what/where/when ever our inalieanble rights and we should never again handcuff ourselves with the restraints created by the same folks who enslaved us on this soil. Again as I have posted many times in this forum America's orginal illegal aliens and domestic terrorists were not it greatest citizens but its most lethal from slavery to jim crow to now defining its own as refugees.. | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 40 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.66.237 |
I agree with you that people need to be educated about the many evil things that happened in America's history but what does that have to do with our spoiled lying politicians? Spin it all you want but these people are not victims. | ||
Rgp Member Username: Rgp Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
Again it is crazy to equate the ineptness of Mayor Kilpatrick to inviduals being lynched solely because they are African American. Mayor Kilpatrick reminds me of the kid in school who gets caught doing something and points fingers at another kid "well Raheem took two cookies too". Take responsibility for your faults and don't attempt to get yourself annoited as some fighter for civil rights when you have had a silver spoon. And talk about advisors. Sharon McPhail's campaign manager was that experienced campaigner, her daughter, while the social worker Christine Beatty is running Mr. Kilpatrick's campaign. Not the brightest move on either's part. | ||
The_aram Member Username: The_aram Post Number: 4357 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 141.213.175.233 |
Brian: Arkham Asylum is a Batman reference. Perhaps you need to spin less and watch more cartoons. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1271 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 69.212.227.73 |
Arkham Asylum, Brian, is where you will find the Joker, the Riddler, and the Penguin. These are all characters with whom you would fit in well. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 1371 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.90.236 |
Thanks RGP and Iseries840, it's nice to see at least some "thoughtful" insight on this thread, not just metaphoric mayhem. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
RGP & Iseries840, Please add some value to this subject matter rather than the usual metaphoric mayhem.... | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
I hope more ads will feel the air between now and the election which remind Black voters of the contempt large segments of this region has for them. Hopefully this will influence these voters to continue to support and back the mayor. it is quite obvious the mayor is the best candidate despite the obvious high tech lyching he is confronting from so many areas acroos the spectrum... | ||
Rgp Member Username: Rgp Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
No one doubts that this region has racial issues. And if someone with a stellar record of being an advocate for Black Detroiters were being attacked, most of the electorate would rally behind him or her. But Mayor Kilpatrick's record is horrible! We can't make excuses or allow him to hide behind the victimization excuse. If a White man were doing to Detroit, disrespecting the city's legacy the way this guy is we would be up in arms. His being of African heritage does not allow him a pass. There are two types of politicians, good and bad. We all know where Detroit's current mayor fits in here. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
Amazing whern a Black person dares to question oppression and racism they are called playing the game of victimization... when whites employ the "victim' card it is nothing more than a ploy to deflect thier racist accountibility and legacy. It is also an device which never works because at the end of the day their racism emerges again i.e new orleans.. | ||
Rgp Member Username: Rgp Post Number: 9 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 64.12.116.195 |
Yes when without proof they and their apologists personalize it it is playing victim. Kwame Kilpatrick is not being oppressed. He is being taken to task for being a bad administrator. He will live to con someone another day (maybe you guys should take up a collection for him). But we need his hands out of our pockets as he pays for relative's suits, navigators, Conrad Mallet's play things, donations to his kid's school, spa memberships, etc... | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1132 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
"Llyn, What does the Lord have to do with White males as terrorists(KKK, NAZI's etc)." It's an expression. "I do not recalll Blacks as an aggregate in this country engaged in mass group lynching and castration..." No, just rioting and burning the shops of Korean store owners... The point is... if you don't want me to judge you by the color of your skin, I expect the same from you. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
llyn; whites have zero standing to judge any black person in this country wake up where have you been.. Sorry but I know this country's cowardly legacy .. an oh yeah per LA Times the average rioter in LA was white and asian.. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
One other note, I evaluate culture and without question the most backward and lethal and underdeveloped culture on this soil has been white folks. From being the agents of 2 holocausts on this soil to bringing the entire globe a disrespect for the humanity of anything that is not white... Just thought you need to know that.... | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 41 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.66.237 |
I think some one is just trolling. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 108 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.212.30.25 |
I think you are right Iseries840. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
Iseries840 like jonesy you do not have a clue... | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 42 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.245.66.237 |
I know what you are doing. | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1133 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
"whites have zero standing to judge any black person in this country wake up where have you been.. Sorry but I know this country's cowardly legacy .. an oh yeah per LA Times the average rioter in LA was white and asian.." I'm just asking you to stop judging me. hypocrisy-atcha | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1134 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
from wikipedia - "Thousands of people in Los Angeles, mainly young black and Latino males, joined in what has often been characterized as a race riot, involving mass law-breaking, including looting, arson and murder. In all 50 to 60 people were killed during the riots." | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.41.179.85 |
From USA Today & LA Times, "A review of the arrest records after the RK riots disclosed the average rioter's were white males and latinos also koreans.. Blacks were arrested but thier numbers were less than whites and latinos...." | ||
Brian Member Username: Brian Post Number: 3202 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.37.84.46 |
Helmut supporters reading comic books? It fits. Its that where they get the questions for the polls? | ||
Llyn Member Username: Llyn Post Number: 1135 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206 |
Mellodrama, you are right about the riots (well, mostly right)... I apologize. From Znet: "Compare this with the muticultural riots in Los Angeles in 1992: 13% white, 25% black (betcha' never heard that before), and 60% Latino/a. And yet, everyone considers that to have been a race riot-in fact a black riot, which it was not." http://www.zmag.org/sustainers /content/1999-08/26wise.htm The only difference I found was in the numbers arrested. This from answers.com (sources are listed at the end but I can't vouch for their reliability - but they are pretty specific on percentages)... "About 10,000 people were arrested; about 42% were African-American, 44% Latino, 9% White, and 2% other. These numbers are proportional to the number of residents in the areas of Los Angeles where the events occurred, although they are not proportional to the racial make-up of Los Angeles as a whole." http://www.answers.com/topic/1 992-los-angeles-riots | ||
Shave Member Username: Shave Post Number: 846 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.134 |
OK... 13% of the rioters were White...9% of the White rioters were arrested; 60% of the rioters were Latino...44% of the Latino rioters were arrested; 25% of the rioters were Black...42% of the Black rioters were arrested... Hmmm....so Latino rioters more than doubled the number of Black rioters...YET, the percentage of arrests were nearly comparable? | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.17 |
Llyn, No problem I enjoy educating people and shattering myths, dogma and propaganda... | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 46 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 12.31.43.48 |
Mellodrama, You need to have a talk with Mrjoshua and Karl. They would really enjoy debating with you. | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.17 |
840, Waiting with baited breath....lol,lol,lol | ||
Iseries840 Member Username: Iseries840 Post Number: 48 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 12.31.43.48 |
You are waiting for what? | ||
Mellodrama Member Username: Mellodrama Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 198.208.159.17 |
840, That fireside chat with those folks you posted about..lol,lol,ll |
