 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 228 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 12:44 pm: |   |
I don't know. What? |
 
Norwalk Member Username: Norwalk
Post Number: 88 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Friday, June 01, 2007 - 1:22 pm: |   |
A FLAT MINER! sorry I could not resist |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 229 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 3:30 pm: |   |
That's really bad. But I like it. Here's a shot of an old station at Harper & Garland. I like the way this place looks. The house next to it was in pretty good shape.

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Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 560 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2007 - 9:07 pm: |   |
Good one Ordinary! Any sign of what kind of gas was sold there? |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 231 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 7:39 am: |   |
I couldn't tell. It had been painted over a number of times. The photo looks as though there are zebra stripes on the building. Those weren't actually there, it's a lousy image. I've got to learn how to compress the pictures without losing the quality. |
 
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 915 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 7:33 pm: |   |
Here's what that former Mobil Gas Station at the SE corner of East Seven Mile and Waltham looks like today:
 The old Castiglione Accordion building isn't looking any better, either:

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Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 1297 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 7:35 pm: |   |
It was a Car Wash for a Time. Someone attempted to rehab it and painted over the "Hand Car Wash" sign. (Message edited by Urbanize on June 04, 2007) |
 
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 1298 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 7:38 pm: |   |
Actually, It doesn't look Abandoned by the owner (Accordion), just well "Uninhabited". |
 
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 1299 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 7:43 pm: |   |
Even during the 90s, Seven Mile bet. Hoover and Schoenherr had a well-kept Commercial strip (Video Stores, Restaurants, Grocer, Ice Cream Shops, TV Shops, Dentist, Appliance Store, Oriental Food Store, FLower Shops, Moving Company, Gas Stations, Hair Salons, Auto Parts Store, Car Shops/Collisions, Laundromats, Even Youth Centers) Not the case today though. |
 
Fnnm400 Member Username: Fnnm400
Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 7:49 am: |   |
I love the posts of the old gas stations. I have a photo of a TULSA station on 8 mile rd. Will find and scan for post here., I believe the sign either reads 13.9 or 18.9 per gallon, oh yes what a memory |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 601 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 8:37 am: |   |
Heres a west sider: http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/dadwor kphotos3152.jpg?t=1181395681 |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 233 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 1:22 pm: |   |
Bullet, That's a classic. |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 631 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 10:29 am: |   |
Here are some I found while chasing down some shots for Ookpiks' threads. Hayes and Mayfield: http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/100_57 20.jpg?t=1181919719 http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/100_57 19.jpg?t=1181919881 Heres a better shot of the sign that hangs at the Belfour and Whitter defunct gas station: http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/100_57 16.jpg?t=1181919939 http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/100_52 16.jpg?t=1181920144 |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 682 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 12:11 pm: |   |
Here is a former gas station living on as a tire repair shop on Grand River: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1125/576396167_9a2c9ae032_b.j pg |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 684 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 3:30 pm: |   |
Here is another view of the above station on G.R.: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1209/576978961_7fae7f0658_b.j pg And a few more shots from the west side: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1073/576979079_1cf8c5e167_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1405/576979033_829e71982f_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1052/576978915_7969a3e13d_b.j pg |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 686 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 4:31 pm: |   |
And here are some more snaps from the same area of the west side: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1222/577176742_d6aef6813f_b.j pg This one is nearly obscured by brush: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1144/577176718_b3d213afcf_b.j pg I bet this was a Sinclair station: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1250/577176700_f22d2b5954_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1001/577176680_28e6d79b04_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1201/577176650_dd2798154e_b.j pg |
 
Tponetom Member Username: Tponetom
Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 9:09 pm: |   |
Re: Gas Station sites. I owned and operated the Sinclair Station on E. Warren and Maxwell during the years 1951-53. I pulled an all-nighter during the first big freeze of the winter and fell asleep at my desk. I woke up at five a.m. and still had the five hundred bucks in my pocket I sold that station and then lived "Ordinary's" dream. I bought the Shell Station on E. Nine Mile Road and Columbus with a lovely two bedroom apartment above it. |
 
Caldogven Member Username: Caldogven
Post Number: 64 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 9:43 pm: |   |
Could someone get a shot of an old Speedway 79 station on Conner and Elmdale-if it's still there? I worked there many years ago. |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 688 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 12:03 am: |   |
Tponetom, welcome to the DY forum. Do you have any photos of your time there? Caldogven, I'm going to put your Speedway request on the top of the list, so stay tuned... |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 235 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 10:19 pm: |   |
Glad to see this thread's still going on. Was up in the UP for a week. I can say one good thing about polluted water here in the D: No black flies! What happens to threads when they 'fall off' the list. That is, when nobody posts anything and they go to the bottom and beyond. Tponetom, In what town is E. 9 Mile and Columbus? Bulletmagnet, Great pictures as usual. I've got a bunch that I want to take. |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 719 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 9:32 pm: |   |
Hey, Ordinary. When the thread falls off the page I think it gets archived. Here are a few of the series that I took earlier this spring: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1402/577368088_47f999be79_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1209/642477016_c4ed6ab497_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1315/642477076_e0a56a4f60_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1287/642894755_c9848dc130_b.j pg I have about a dozen more to post, mostly west side. And I got a few from today, as well, but I misplaced the SD card...damn! I still have to do the request for Caldogven when time permits. |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 723 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 6:54 pm: |   |
I snapped this former gas station yesterday: http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/101_75 49.jpg?t=1183073929 That one is on Vernor, this one on Mack: http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/101_75 75.jpg?t=1183074066 as is this one(a repeat): http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/101_75 74.jpg?t=1183074103 and (again) this one: http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/101_75 73.jpg?t=1183074163 |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 727 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 9:03 pm: |   |
These are from the same series as above (post 719) : http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1343/642894785_795d192045_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1078/642894819_31eb849fe8_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1204/642894855_f121ead11d_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1023/642894963_f56ad7a8d3_b.j pg The west side is rife with gas stations turned whatever... |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 732 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2007 - 10:41 am: |   |
'Smore of 'em: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1215/642894969_5419d13032_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1229/643884570_49a6522bc9_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1056/643884598_1b8ae5ea85_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1358/643884708_ffada67fca_b.j pg |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 833 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:35 pm: |   |
Here is a de-funky station on Conner near City Airport: http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/100_88 12.jpg?t=1184621071 http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/100_88 11.jpg?t=1184621091 |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 238 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 4:46 pm: |   |
Bulletmagnet, Nice pics. |
 
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker
Post Number: 1837 Registered: 04-2005
| Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:27 pm: |   |
 wsu/vmc |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 837 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 7:05 pm: |   |
Hornwrecker, that looks like the standard station at Mc Nichols & Joseph Campau! Man, is that dude tailgating, and in front of a traffic cop too. |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 838 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 7:15 pm: |   |
Oh, I almost forgot: http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/100_88 72.jpg?t=1184717064 |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 862 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 6:06 pm: |   |
And now, without further ado, I present to you the much anticipated and oft requested Elmdale defunct gas station at 9550 Conner, Detroit MI: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1028/889474626_67786aba3a_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1181/889474510_8935d6e2ac_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1400/889474186_57c33f7c05_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1040/889474098_ecb2bc9016_b.j pg http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1397/889473928_f16ad2197f_b.j pg Not shown: FAM tags. This area is hard core 'Family' gang territory with tags and bullet holes a plenty. This is a good place to bring up a hungry pit bull. |
 
Caldogven Member Username: Caldogven
Post Number: 91 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 5:42 pm: |   |
Bullet That was a Speedway 79 station. Our primary work was doing mechanical repairs on taxi cabs from the Checker Cab depot on Longview the next block up. Secondary was pumping gas and handing out Gold Bell Gift Stamps, one for every ten cents worth of gas bought. The best part of that was cleaning the windshields of good looking women with short skirts! I also worked at a Gulf station on Mack and mayby, Lakepoint- I don't remember for sure. And a Pure station on Warren two or three blocks east of Alter. Thanks again! |
 
Elsuperbob Member Username: Elsuperbob
Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 8:54 pm: |   |
I don't know if it's been posted but here's what was one of my favorite gas stations at Michigan and Howard in West Dearborn. This was as they were tearing it down a few years ago. The new one tries to recreate this one but just doesn't have the same feel.

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Stlgasm Member Username: Stlgasm
Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 9:21 pm: |   |
^^Wow, that's almost identical to a Standard station in St. Louis' Central West End. I just snapped this pic on Sunday. It's even the same angle! [IMG]http://i29.photobucket.com/alb ums/c283/jeffvstl/DSCN1659.jpg[/IMG] |
 
Elsuperbob Member Username: Elsuperbob
Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 9:27 pm: |   |
Wow, that's pretty cool and pretty funny you took that a few days ago and from the same angle. It's nice to see it still operating. The one here was torn down and replaced so they could have a larger retail space. |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 904 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 1:12 pm: |   |
Here is a snap of a former service station on the west side: http://farm2.static.flickr.com /1175/1392055706_00e74694cc_b. jpg |
 
Waz Member Username: Waz
Post Number: 224 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 8:38 pm: |   |
Thanks for keeping this thread alive, Bullet! I'll try to post some of my shots shortly, including the aforementioned time capsule at McNichols and Dresden. |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 270 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 10:28 pm: |   |
Okay this is the last time I'm trying this. I'm not sure if we can post on these H.O.F. threads but I wanted to show this picture of a little station I saw on Buchanan last Sunday

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Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 197 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 3:29 pm: |   |
Believe it or not I remember when this station was pumping gas! there were two older men that worked it in gray striped uniforms with gray officer style hats. I think it was a standard oil station, the pumps had red crown globes that lit up at night. I also got ice cream right across 30th street from this station at the "dairy delite" which you probably seen the remains still standing when you snapped this shot. I attended grade school 2 blocks east on 28th street. |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 271 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 8:35 pm: |   |
Karl_jr, How many years ago was that? It just seems so far removed that there was actually somebody working there, especially older men. For some reason I just really like driving through that area. I worked in the Tireman-Livernois area for about ten years. I was driving around and saw St. Francis d' Assisi church over there and fell in love with it. When my little brother is in town we take my mom there for Mass. Then we let her buy us breakfast somewhere! What was the name of your grade school? |
 
Norwalk Member Username: Norwalk
Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 2:58 pm: |   |
Ah Red Crown Gas Stations I remember one of their giveaways were those tirestem caps shaped like little red crowns. |
 
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 198 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 9:30 am: |   |
Ordinary, I am talking early 1960's. I attended Gethsemane Lutheran on 28th, The church and school are still standing. I agree St Francis is a beautiful church, I also attend mass there every once and a while. That stretch of Buchanan between W.Grand and Livernois had everything you would need along time ago, Movie theater, shoe repair, pet shops, a&p, about 10 bars and liqour/beer stores, record store, jewelery repair, home furniture, coney island, pool hall, dance halls and etc. all LONG GONE! |
 
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 199 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 12:28 pm: |   |

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Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 273 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 7:58 pm: |   |
Karl_jr, Thanks for the info. It seems so strange that that was a thriving area at one time. Is Gethsemane Lutheran the huge white wooden church on 28th? I always have to drive by there when I'm in the area. It sure is a beauty. |
 
Hamtownkingpin Member Username: Hamtownkingpin
Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2008
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 5:20 pm: |   |

 This was my dad's Sunoco on Jefferson and Junction. Many good memories. The first picture is 1958. The second is 1962. |
 
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 202 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 12:46 pm: |   |
Yes, that was Gethsemane the congregation closed down and the pews, fixtures and etc. where used to make another lutheran church on farmington road near I-96 in livonia. A lot of my family history took place there. http://www.detroit1701.org/Mot orCityMissionaryBaptist.htm |
 
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 203 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 5:47 pm: |   |
Great pics Hamtown, welcome. |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 274 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 5:39 pm: |   |
Hamtown, Great pics. I noticed that somebody had written 1958 on the top picture. That was the year I was born. Are you the little kid in the second picture? |
 
Hamtownkingpin Member Username: Hamtownkingpin
Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 12:26 pm: |   |
Yes ordinary, that's me. I was about four there. I remember going to have lunch with dad during the summer. Sometimes we would go after work to the park on the Detroit River next to the terminal? building. Or, dinner at Flaming Embers. I also collected the bottle caps from his Coke machine to get a couple of NFL footballs in 1966. I still have the letter from the Coca-Cola corporation. Dad quit the business in 1966 after a couple of break-ins. He worked at Revere Copper and Brass for a bit, then he became a mechanic at Parke-Davis on the river. |
 
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 275 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 9:52 pm: |   |
When did Revere Copper and Brass go out of business? I used to do a little scrapping across Jefferson from there at a place called Wayne Scrap. Some of the old guys who worked there told me it got pretty crazy when they closed it down; that guys were shooting at each other over the scrap that was still there. I remember going out with my older brother to get bottle caps out of the pop machines. He used to have a magnet on a string and 'fish' them out of the machines. This was all for a little set of plastic football helmets. That was probably around 1966. We always went to the gas stations because they had the pop machines out front. He was scared of the one guy because he was crabby if you got your fishing device stuck in the machine. He probably had a million things to do and then he has to go unlock the pop machine to get some dumb kid's magnet out of the machine. I understand crabbiness and its causes the older I get. |
 
Lpg Member Username: Lpg
Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2008
| Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 9:03 pm: |   |
Anyone remember the Martin Oil Company gas stations? There was one on Fort Street in Lincoln Park (now a Citgo). Another was on Allen Road in Southgate. I believe another was on Fort Street just north of the bridge by Oakwood. The last two are gone. It was home of the Purple Martin gas. |
 
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 218 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 9:29 pm: |   |
Martin had a station at Michigan and Joe, 5.50 ='d 1/2 a tank and a pack of smokes in 76' |
 
Hamtownkingpin Member Username: Hamtownkingpin
Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 7:25 pm: |   |
I don't remember when Revere closed. I also got a set of the plastic helmets. The magnet trick sounds like a good one. Did anyone collect the Sunoco Antique car coins? I remember gas was 18 cents a gallon then. Does anyone remember the 10 cent popcorn machines on Belle Isle? |
 
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 223 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 7:23 pm: |   |
Does anyone remember the 10 cent popcorn machines on Belle Isle? Oh hell no! Now that is really something that I have not even had the foggiest thought about in 40 years. I remember you held a little sack under a chute and dropped the dime in then it would blow hot popcorn out. |
 
Doodles Member Username: Doodles
Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 9:51 pm: |   |
Here is a picture of my grandfather's Gulf Station at Mack and Cadillac on the eastside. My Dad says the station was just big enough for an office. The hoist was outside.


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Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 276 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 7:34 pm: |   |
Doodles, Great picture! |
 
Fmester Member Username: Fmester
Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2008
| Posted on Monday, March 17, 2008 - 9:36 pm: |   |
Good job Doodles. The pictures were taken in '46 - '48. The Chevy is a '41 Sedanette. Dad |
 
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 1075 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 5:10 pm: |   |
Yesterday, while looking for some information needed for another thread, I decided to check under the HOF tab. To my surprise, and great delight, I discovered that my much beloved thread "Defunct Detroit Gas Stations" was now listed here! I feared that it had long ago fallen into the abyss of the DY Archives. I must say it made my day, and I am honored that it fit the high standard to make the HOF. Thanks to all who have participated to make it an interesting topic. I have some maintenance to do, as some of the early photos have dead links. That will be fixed. Thanks Lowell  |
 
Reddog289 Member Username: Reddog289
Post Number: 241 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 11:24 pm: |   |
love the old photos & stories of detroits gas stations, karl jr might know some members of my family. i went to the last service at gethsemene. drove by there last summer. i got a pic of the station on mich ave near the de soto lounge where the citgo is at now. |
 
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 269 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:55 pm: |   |
Reddog289 send me an email: t22759@aol.com |
 
Davemarc Member Username: Davemarc
Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 8:46 pm: |   |
My uncle had a union 76 on 7 mile and sunset.I spent my summers pumping gas and washing windshields.It was sold in the early 90's and went to an all repair no gas format. |
 
Eastsidedame Member Username: Eastsidedame
Post Number: 425 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 1:32 pm: |   |
Doodles: What was that red brick, Italianate building on the corner of Mack & Cadillac? It looks like it could have been a pre-Civil war era house. |
 
Doodles Member Username: Doodles
Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2008
| Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2008 - 3:20 pm: |   |
Sorry, Eastsidedame... I don't know. The gas station was before my time and only know it through pictures. I asked my Dad and he didn't remember either. I haven't been down there in a long time. |