  Jjw Member Username: Jjw Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 68.33.56.156 |
Is there a difference or is it all considered one big bad Detorit by suburbanites??? And... what about that whole downriver thing??? | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 627 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
For us old-timers, Jjw, it is and always will be two different cities. As Jjaba will confirm, all the good folks live on the west side, while the east siders....well, let's leave it at that. East is east and west is west and ne'er the twain shall meet, or something like that.  | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 617 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 209.69.221.253 |
I consider myself a west sider even though I live in Hamtramck. I still get lost on the other side of Van Dyke. That's sort of where my geographic knowledge ends. I ran into a guy in California who heard me talking about the DIA and he said he lived in Chicago and was from Grosse Pointe. I said I was from the west side, and probably knew Chicago better than the east side. We didn't exchange two words after that. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 378 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.105 |
The really freaky thing is that the Berlin wall fell and I-696 opened the same week. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3907 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Packman, that's funny. Ray1936 and jjaba lived it, walked it, rode bikes, and delivered papers on the Westside. jjaba has been on the Eastside of Detroit about 3 times lifetime. Always as a tourist, and everytime, always fascinated to see that this is Detroit too. This is no different than New Yorkers who've never ever been to all other boroughs, Chicago, with Nort and Sout siders, or North and South Philly. The distances and the cultural divide are huge. Eastside? Why go there? There's nuthin' there. Two soldiers in a foxhole, Viet Nam. "You're from Detroit? Ya, Eastside. I'm sorry." jjaba tells it like it tis. jjaba, Westside Bar Mitzvah Bukkor. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 470 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
Eastside baby!!!!! We have Prostitutes and an incinerator, you have prostitutes and Duly's! | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3909 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Prostitutes? Arabs maybe, but... jjaba. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 471 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
Michigan ave | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3911 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
That's in Dearborn, Michigan. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 473 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
nah they start appearing around Central ave. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 381 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.234 |
West side has Daly burgers. Don't know about the east side. I had to go there once, I didn't know any of the roads, they kept changing names. I got lost as hell. Couldn't wait to get back home. (typical conversation, circa 1965) | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3914 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Packman tells it exactly as it tis. It just ain't a place where you feel comfortable as a Detroiter. jjaba. | ||
Tarkus Member Username: Tarkus Post Number: 52 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 69.222.98.86 |
Eastside has Travis burgers and Genevas. Eastside is the only side. Eastside also has the rednecks and hillbillys. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1115 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Every time I go to the westside, I feel that I might as well be in Grand Rapids or Muskegon or someplace like that. Where the hell does Grand River Avenue GO, anyway? And considering the way it's named, why isn't there a river running down the middle of the street? On the eastside, we have Mack and Van Dyke and Harper and Ryan and Conant and Gratiot and Jefferson. Famous Detroit streets that everyone has heard of. The westside has weird streets like Joy and Tireman and Puritan and Fenkell. Mysterious places. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2339 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.54.234 |
I just found at that Canton is in Michigan...I thought they meant China when they talk about it being on the west side. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2340 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.54.234 |
oh, and west of Telegraph won't I fall off the edge of the world? Did Columbus ever explore past Tele? | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3920 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Grand River needs no defense really. It goes to Lansing and Grand Rapids. Out there on US 16, you'll find the Grand River. Get a map out and read it. At Lahser, stop in at The Redford and watch an old movie with pipe organ. You can buy old timey Milk Duds and a pop corn. Gratiot Ave. is the same kinda diagonal, without Westside class. jjaba. | ||
Tarkus Member Username: Tarkus Post Number: 54 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 69.222.98.86 |
WHAT!!! Gratiot, no class? What do you think Roseville is; it's all class just low class with the women still wearing their 80's big hair. Roseville is the Eastsides Taylortuckey. Plus it has all the lovely pawn shops near Chene. And abandoned trailer parks near Connor. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1117 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Grand River goes to LANSING? C'mon, I know that's not in Michigan. That's Wisconsin or Illinois, right? Hey, I think I've heard of Lahser. I believe it's somewhere near Sturgis, Michigan. Gratiot Avenue has plenty of class. You see, East Detroit High School is located just off Gratiot. They hold class right inside that building. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1118 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
They really need to put some water in the middle of Grand River; make it authentic, that's what I say. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 2097 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.45.136.175 |
West Side had DalyDogs, Packman. Never tried the burgers. They're all gone now, even Albert's has changed it's name. But we still have Duly's. The eastside has something called Bubba's or Buggies Pizza, so I've heard. And Alwaysnoisy's Ice Cream. Saddest thing about the east side? No taquerias. That's just sad. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3927 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Ok, there's a huge sewer pipe under Grand River which dumps everything from the Westside into Chandler Park. Taste it, it looks like water in your swimming and fishing pond. As for Appalacian Migrants, we got enough of our own over here, thankyou. A lot of them have moved out to Wixom, Livonia, and Belleville, following the expansion of K-Mart and Dunkin Donuts. jjaba, Proudly Westside. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1119 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
The fact is, most of the eastside is the old, the original Detroit. The westside is sort of a later add-on. On the eastside, you got your original Detroit-style, frame, two-family flats. Narrow streets. 30-foot-wide city lots. Streets like Chene, Riopelle, St. Aubin, and Dequindre -- which run parallel to the sites of the "ribbon farms" of the old French families they're named after. We have historic cemeteries like Elmwood and Mt. Elliott (always two T's, thank you). We have Eastern Market, Belle Isle, Indian Village, West Village, Conant Gardens, East English Village, Roma Cafe, Buddy's Pizza, Cal's Pizza, Geneva's Hamburgers (the best sliders anywhere), the Ivanhoe Cafe, the Cadieux Cafe, and notorious places like Harpo's and the I-Rock. We got the infamous 9th Precinct. Even Oakland Ave. and the North End are on the eastside. Further out, you got your Pointes and your Shores. Most of the original gangsters (Purple Gang and Mafia) operated from the eastside. Most important, we got the water (Detroit River and Lake St. Clair) on the eastside. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 475 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
good call Fury | ||
Tarkus Member Username: Tarkus Post Number: 56 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 69.222.98.86 |
Amen Fury, plus we have the canals down by Sinbads and Alter Road. And don't forget the Ashland bump. And the Fisher Mansion on Lenox. And Harbor Island. (Message edited by tarkus on June 16, 2006) | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1121 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Damn straight. And the Berry Sub with the Manoogian Mansion. And the luxury high-rises on the water along East Jefferson. And the colorful slice of declasse Americana that is East Warren Avenue. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 477 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
Mannogian Mansion, the tap room, Mack and Bewick...... but they still have Duly's | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1122 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Yeah, well, the eastside used to have the Dog House, on Gratiot near State Fair. That rivaled Duly's... but it's been gone for years. | ||
Ed_golick Member Username: Ed_golick Post Number: 265 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.55.51 |
My job is on Woodward Avenue. I park my car on the westside and work on the eastside. I am so confused. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3876 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.11.154.56 |
My mom was from the westside, and my dad from the eastside. But, when I came around we lived at my dad's old family house just east of Woodward in the North End (i.e. Melbourne near John R.). We moved from there a year later to Virginia Park, and I consider myself a westsider. I know so little about the eastside (outside of Jefferson, of course) that it's almost funny. | ||
Detroiternthemist Member Username: Detroiternthemist Post Number: 56 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.74.30.250 |
Funny thing about the east/west convo is that there are 2 eastsides and 2 westsides......east you have 7mile....from Woodward to Harperwood then you have Mack and Bewick east 2 separate worlds....then you 8,7,6 mile and Fenkell etc west.... which is different from Linwood, Dexter and 12th street etc west.....Both east and west totally different from SW and Downtown. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3932 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Detroiternthemist makes a point that jjaba had made. Downtown is neither East nor Westsides. Also, a good point that Detroit is so big that there's no single East nor Westside. For jjaba, at Wyoming and Schoolcraft, he knows little of Fort Street, Delray, Dix, or Telegraph Rd. even. Thanks Fury 13. jjaba is hungry just reading you list. It should be mentioned that Belle Isle is a place most Detroiters have visited. But you go there from the Westside for a specific destination, not just for a stroll or loop the loop. jjaba on the Dexter bus. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 384 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.185.132.134 |
Daly's still has a location open at Plymouth road and Merriman. Still good, still have car hops. | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 2561 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.234.183.131 |
Eastside Detroit was such a spooky weird place growing up, those funny named streets at all those funny angles, you'd easily get lost -- one wrong turn and a simple trip to eastern market, belle isle or whatever and you'd end up trapped somewhere east of Hamtramack the only way out would be to hop on some radial street up to McNichols or 8 mile if you were really lost and then the LOOOOOONG ride back to familiar civilization --- as long as the addresses were getting smaller ya knew you were headed the right direction. Later on as I grew older I explored all over Detroit but the Eastside always had this vibe of OTHERNESS to it. Westside is just so BIG. Consider just one part of it: west of livernois between dearborn and 8 mile is ~ the size of washington DC. And this is only one part of the westside. Re suburbs I've never particularly appreciated any difference btw east and west side (seriously, Roseville, Hazel Park, Westland ... any big cultural diff?). Downriver is a different story tho downriver kinda feels like they grafted flint saginaw or toledo onto metro Detroit. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 826 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 4.229.69.132 |
I heard that when you flush a Westsiders toilet, the water goes down counter clockwise - true ? | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 1245 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 63.41.8.252 |
I didn't know outhouses flushed. | ||
7milekid Member Username: 7milekid Post Number: 84 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.61.161.193 |
EASTSIIIIIIIDE! | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 629 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
This west-sider's wife was an east-sider (Six Mile and Gratiot). The only reason we ever got together is because when she was 17 her parents moved her to Allen Park. That really screwed her up; to this day she thinks she moved to the west side. Funny thing....my adopted home of Las Vegas is also split into west side/east side. The town is split down the middle by The Strip, adjacent Interstate 15, and the Union Pacific Railroad. Three close parallel barriers that divide the town. However, there seems to be a little more interplay between residents than there is in Detroit. | ||
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge Post Number: 22 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 68.21.43.26 |
To answer the orignal questions - if you ask someone from the suburbs about the eastside vs. the westside, they will have no idea what you are talking about. Detroit radiates from downtown. East of that is in the middle of the Detroit river, so what could possibly be the eastside of Detroit? | ||
7milekid Member Username: 7milekid Post Number: 88 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.61.161.193 |
the eastside is anything east of woodward | ||
Neilr Member Username: Neilr Post Number: 269 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.242.223.67 |
Yes, except for north of 6 Mile all the way to 8 Mile. John R then becomes the divider on streets such as Grixdale, Montana, Nevada, and so on. I find it to be the strangest thing. Any idea why this is? | ||
Superduperman Member Username: Superduperman Post Number: 104 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.242.221.36 |
I heard eastsiders eat their young. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3935 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Because Woodward ain't straight. So the numbering folks used John R, North of Woodward. Mauser765, yes, the toilets do flush backwards on the Westside, making it possible to flush the entire Westside into Chandler Park. The big pipe lies under Grand River Avenue, a contuation of the Grand River from Western Michigan. Thanks Ray1936 for the heads up about Las Vegas. jjaba is sure that any enmity between east and west in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas. (We've never heard of any.) jjaba, LOL. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 386 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.185.132.134 |
Rustic-you mention "all of those funny named strees at funny angles" on the east side. That's what we westsiders found the one time we went east. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 387 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.185.132.134 |
Hey all of you old time westsiders--I recently came across a 1939 Dodge brochure that had a map listing/locating the Detroit area (Dodge) dealers on the back. On the west side you got your Michigan ave. as normal, then going north you have Ford rd, Warren ave, then Bonaparte rd. where Joy road should be. Is there anyone on the list who remembers when it was changed to Joy rd.? (named for Henry B. Joy) | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 3459 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.79.83.103 |
At least until you get to...........oh, never mind. jjaba should have enjoyed that chicken paprikash served back in the day when the gypsy musicians still played in Delray, wonderful Magyar soul food. Livernois bus to Jefferson. | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 2563 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 71.234.183.131 |
In another thread Jams wrote Yay, it's fishfly season in my neighborhood right now. I can't think of anything to compare the aroma to other than ... [crude east side reference implying something stinky I'd reckon] Do fishflies Stink? I honestly did not know that. I just assumed they were a benign annoyance and merely joked about them being pestilence carrying vermin. I'll stop joking. Wow see what you can learn from Mr. Lowell's forum. Eastside is definitely spookier ... from native american burial mounds, muskrat vittles, hordes of swarming stinky black flies, to creepy abandoned riverfront mansions ... eastside has the Steven King vibe down cold. (Message edited by rustic on June 17, 2006) | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 629 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.212.169.194 |
Awww Jjaba, you took the bait, and you were doing so well. How sad. We dont need division. East side has Faygo, Better Made, Belle Isle, Ren Cen, Comerica, DIA, Compuware, GM, Lake St Clair, Grosse Pointe mansions, Gratiot Cruise this weekend, garage doors BEHIND the house (aka community), State Fair, Hard Rock, Greektown... West side has Joe Louis, Cobo, 2 Coney Islands, Ford, Old Main, Palmer Park, main Detroit Library, Hockeytown, Greenfield Village... | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 250 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.41.42.154 |
Depends on the burb. When I was 13 (1976) we moved from Sterling Hts. to West Bloomfield. There were definitely differences. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 3461 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.79.83.103 |
Although I've lived on the Eastside for almost 20 years now, I still feel like a stranger in a strange land. Those roots I have on the Westside, SW Detroit, and Downriver just cannot be broken. Never have been to Geneva's but I lament the loss of Carter's at the foot of Southfield for those late night slider urges. When I have a need for a trip to Home Depot, Staples, or any of those stores we salivate about having in the City proper, I find myself heading to Deaborn or Taylor rather than a much shorter trip up Gratiot or Mack. Prior to acquiring my own washer and dryer, every other week I'd make a trek to Lincoln Park to the laundramat across the parking lot from Jo-Jo's bar to throw my clothes in the washer, head over to Jo-Jo's for a beer, than back to put my clothes in the dryer. I did this despite the fact there was a laundramat less than a 1/2 mile from my home. | ||
Thedownriviera Member Username: Thedownriviera Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.61.202.250 |
I'm confused. Is downriver considered Westside then, or an altogether seperate area? I'd always considered it East because it was along the river. Then again I had no idea where East/West started or that a rift existed between the two. I may have been a sheltered child . . . (sigh) A friend's mother, who is a Westsider, once felt the need to explain the West/East differences to me. I didn't ask her to, as I stated I wasn't aware of any bad blood and consequently couldn't have cared less. She told me the Westside is generally considered more educated. She was pretty adamant about it. She just ended up kinda tarnishing my impression of her as Westsider though. I hope the rest have better manners. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3938 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
To East Detroit, jjaba re-iterates that Downtown is downtown, enjoyed by all Detroiters. There's nothing Eastside about it. Westsiders shouldn't claim Briggs Stadium either. That stretch of Michigan Avenue is still pretty much downtown. The downtown coney islands, of which there are about 20, belong to everybody also. Wayne State and the Cultural Ctr. museums belong to everybody. "Downriver" refers to the suburban communities like Trenton, Wyandotte, Ecorse, places like that. As in downriver towards Lake Erie, the flow of the Detroit River. Delray is a portion of SW Detroit. Detroit has a ring of 80 suburbs and with white flight, there are more people in Detroit suburbs than within Detroit today. 50 yrs. ago that was hardly the case. The generation growing up in suburbs have their own geographical identities, and far be it from jjaba to describe something out in Yeminsville. jjaba, Proudly Westside. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 630 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
I always considered the downriver communities to be part of Toledo. | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 714 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.35.85.184 |
I was an east sider that went to high school on the west side (Cass, that is). It was a great discovery to find that west siders were actually human and lived in houses, just like us on the east side. Sometimes, I'd even ride the Hamilton or Second bus up to 6 or 7 Mile and go across, just to see more of the west side (from the safety of my bus seat and protected by the bus driver). | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 390 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.185.132.134 |
Downriver is it's own seperate 'tucky (except for the more cosmopolitan wyandotte, and the Grosse Pointe wannabe on an island, Grosse isle), not to be confused with Roseville-tucky, Ypsi-tucky, section 36 Farmington-tucky, Walled-tucky and Hazel-tucky. I'm sure I've forgotten a few other tuckys. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 631 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Hey, don't pick on Kentucky. Four million people. Five surnames. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3942 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Ray1936, you're killing us. ROTFLMJAO. jiminnm, Cass Technical High School is in Downtown Detroit. There's nothing Westside about it. Taking a bus up Second Avenue isn't Westside either. That's Northend or something. Are you sure you're a Cass grad.? (Or did jjaba spot a poser?) jjaba. | ||
Young_detroiter Member Username: Young_detroiter Post Number: 167 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 69.215.248.61 |
I live on annexed land in extreme northwest Detroit, Old Redford, which I think up until around the 1930s use to be part of Redford Twp. While I was in my preteens, a kid at my former church near Tireman and I-96, asked "Do you live around here?" I replied, "No. I live on the west side." He said, "Well, this is the west side. You must live on the east side." Though Tireman at I-96 is still the west side, we would drive so far east to get there - about 15 minutes - I had no idea that it was still considered the west side. Later I looked at a map and discovered that this foreign land was somehow considered west side, because of our unusual east-west-Woodward system. The west side has the ethnic enclaves of Mexicantown, Corktown (with Tiger Stadium and the Old Train Depot), and Metro Detroit's own version of the Arab World. In addition, our Mexicantown is conveniently located north of Canada. The east side: Where the weak are killed, eaten, and regurgitated. The west side: Where the weak are killed and sent to the east side to be eaten. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3943 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
The comment that Detroit's "Mexico" is North of Canada is a nice one. So now we have two borders to protect. Hey Homeland Security, how about a fence down Bagley? jjaba appreciates the comments about Young Detroiter. From jjaba's Schoolcraft and Wyoming section of the NW side you can imagine how far we felt you lived out there, and still be in Detroit. "Old" Redford?It's just Redford and then there's RedfordTwp. elsewhere about which nobody cares. jjaba, Proudly Westside. | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 914 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.60.177.56 |
No, it is and always was Old Redford. It was a separate city till the 20's. Redford Twp. was always separate, just farmland. I live on the eastside now (right on the border) and I still feel like a stranger, 12 years on. When I visit friends in the Pointes I feel like a traveler. For me, Eastside was always mall bangs and too tight jeans. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 391 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.185.132.134 |
Old Redford was once known as "Sand hill" | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3945 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
jjaba has never heard the term "Old Redford" until he read it here. But thanks for the correction and the civics lesson. jjaba has never seen "Old Redford" written anywhere but he doesn't go there often. The Redford HS and the Redford Theater don't use it. Redford is an important Detroit neighborhood. Give jjaba some examples of "Old Redford" in print, signs, etc. You can add big hair, funny accents, feather bowling, The Coast Guard, and abandoned breweries to your Eastside list. jjaba. | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 917 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.60.177.56 |
Look at the signs on Grand River, right at Grand Lawn Cemetery, heading toward the fine borough. In the old Detroit Bank and Trust Building and in the schools, it was Old Redford. The old nasty racist Redford Record used it. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3947 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Thanks Oldredfordette. jjaba has another walking tour ahead. Add fish flies, ribbon farms, French street names nobody has ever heard of, dark alleys, and rum runners to your list of Eastside attractions. jjaba. | ||
Sticks Member Username: Sticks Post Number: 80 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.136.140.132 |
Hey 56packman, I think you forgot Water-tucky or is Waterford too far out there? As far as Downriver goes, it's not considered east- or west-side, it is its own seperate community from Detroit. Living years 0 - 20 there, I can tell you that all the cities do have some sort of stigma or feel to them even though some Detroiters may not be able to. On the flipside, if you ask me about west-side versus east-side Detroit traits I'll mumble something about Gratiot and Grand River and wander off. Or if you ask me about what I call the "North Burbs" (Farmington, Bloomfield, Southfield) the only thing I'll say is that they are devoid of any character and soul. The only tricky thing with Downriver is where the "Downriver" border exists. Is Taylor the furthest city west that gets included? Does it extend all the way south to Monroe county? | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 918 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.60.177.56 |
Jjaba, you should walk the perimeter of Rogell Golf course - there are some fantastic homes back there, and little Rouge tributaries running throughout. It's even better on a bicycle, the streets curve and wind. Talking to a friend last night who moved here from Kentucky and married an Eastsider - she said it was a year before she could say Gratiot. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3950 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
How do YOU say Gratiot, Oldrefordette? (And try Dubois or Cadieux.) jjaba. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 401 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 129.9.163.234 |
Back in the sixties A friend of mine worked a high school summer job at the Redford community hospital. There was a nurse there, and older southern (from Kentucky)lady by the name of Mrs.(or "nurse") Debussy. Dave had to go get her once,and pronounced her Surname exactly like the French composer's, and was quickly corrected: "It's De-bussy young man!" | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 729 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.35.85.184 |
No poser jjaba, born just south of the City Airport and grew up in the middle of square created by 7 Mile, 8 Mile, Hoover and Schoenherr. It was common knowledge (at least on the east side) that if it's west of Woodward, it's the west side - if it's east of Woodward, it's the east side. The only possible exception is the real downtown. I think Cass and Tiger Stadium are a too far out to be considered downtown (does that mean you'd say the Masonic Temple, the old Kresge's HQ, and the old bowling alley on Henry(?) with it's human pin setters were also downtown?). I walked west down Vernor to the stadium enough times to realize that I wasn't downtown any more. CT, class of '65. | ||
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313 Post Number: 78 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 72.229.136.103 |
Downtown (Woodward) is the great divide. Downtown is the meeting place so east/westsiders can go and won't get lost. But the Eastside is where it is. It is the original DETROIT. My Family is from the DEEP-EASTSIDE; Chalmers-Jefferson, and I was raised on on Fairview until I was 9. Then everybody starting moving to the beautiful-blain Westside. Only two realitives remain on the East. It seems like my family's glory years were on the Eastside. 313 | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2327 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.72.150 |
Downtown is more like home to eastsiders. Westsiders who are used to right angled streets get confused whent they come to the east side (and haul ass back to the west side)... Downtown, which also defies the right angled street rule gets westsiders confused as well..... | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3952 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Gistok is right. jjaba still gets turned around in Downtown Detroit. No, there's no need to "haul ass" anywhere, since we never go to the Eastside in the first place. 56packman, your story is priceless. That same nurse probably pronounces Gratiot, "GRAT-E-OTT". And says Livernois, "LIVER-NOISE". jiminnm, jjaba was thinking about Tiger Stadium if someone was to walk along Michigan Avenue from downtown Detroit. But as you mentioned it, you walked on residential and minor streets through that N. Corktown Westside neighborhood. jjaba apologizes for doubting your pedigree; obviously, you're the genuine article. However, jjaba has never ever been anywhere's near your Eastside neighborhood. For all he knows, you could be talking about Omaha. jjaba, CT Class of '59. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 633 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
East side. Snort. While at Mackenzie High School and in ROTC a zillion years back, I had to go to Denby HS for an ROTC competition. Had no idea how to get there, but had the cross streets written down. Left an hour early, and I drove around those goofy street alignments seemingly forever. Finally stumbled across the dumb school and I think I was on time. Streets are supposed to be E/W and N/S. Except for minor exceptions like Grand River and James Couzens, that's how the west side is. Organized. Not chaotic like over by Denby. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 404 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.185.132.134 |
Jjaba-another friend (the guy from the M-F story over on the Old car factory thread) used to refer to Livernois as "kidney rattle" | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 730 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.35.85.184 |
Ray, my wife is also a Stag (class of '66) [that also sounds a bit strange]. Her family moved from Field on the east side to Wyoming on the west side when she was 5-6. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 634 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Jiminnm, I went back for my 50 year class reunion two years ago, and had just a great time. Damn, most of the gals were still looking attractive, and the guys seemed to be in pretty good shape. The one damper on the evening was looking at the list of nearly 200 who were known to have passed away in our class of nearly 800. Tell your wife that my mother is a Mackenzie grad too...class of '35. She's doing well and turning 90 a week from tomorrow. | ||
Young_detroiter Member Username: Young_detroiter Post Number: 168 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 69.215.248.61 |
Jjaba, Young_detroiter, likewise, appreciates your comments. I guess, now, I will simply tell people that I live upon the old "Sand Hill." [Thanks 56packman.] | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1130 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
If Jjaba has only been on the eastside 3 times, then how many time has jjaba been to Belle Isle??? | ||
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22 Post Number: 249 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.14.101.116 |
Sticks, Downriver is what the News Herald covers. Allen Park, Brownstown, Ecorse, Flat Rock, Gibraltar, Grosse Ile, Huron Twp., Lincoln Park, Melvindale, River Rouge, Riverview, Rockwood, Romulus, Southgate, Taylor, Trenton, Woodhaven and Wyandotte. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3955 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Excellent list, Tayshaun22. That narrows it down pretty good. Thanks. Broken Main, jjaba has been to Belle Isle a damn few times. Having said that, it is really hard to call running East Jefferson for 10 minutes, an intimate relationship with the Eastside of Detroit. jjaba went to Belle Isle for Senior Skip Day, 1959, when Cass Tech. went there. He was also schlepped to Detroit Concert Band concerts in the 1940s-50s by his parents. Then, jjaba can count on one hand his other trips to Belle Isle. Sadly so, since it such a pretty place. jjaba, Westsider. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1133 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Well understood my friend. Ahhh, the infamous Cass Tech Skip Day. Good to see ya on the forum, as I took a break for a quick minute to deal with these pressures and situations in the department. We had 2 straight days of Billion gallon water days this weekend. We usually don't get these until July. We will take them anyway. BTW, I have something I need to mail you. Soon as I dig up your envelope, I will get it to you. | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1134 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 69.222.11.226 |
Now, I am even more confused. I was always told that the boundaries of downtown went to the Lodge near Grand River to Tiger Stadium to the river. Gratiot and I-75 on the east to that Lodge spot and I-75 to the river. Does anyone know the true boundaries of downtown. Also would Mexican Village restaurant be in a distinctively title neighborhood. ie. downtown, corktown, mexican town or something. I asked my neighbors what they call our area and they don't even know. (the St. Annes Area is what we are calling it now...lol) | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 267 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 63.41.12.156 |
B-main: Try this site: http://www.cityscapedetroit.or g/Detroit_neighborhoods.html# | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3960 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Gabriel Richard? jjaba likes your definition of Downtown Detroit. (although he would never ever use expressways as borders for anything, being "old school" as he is.) Vernor Highway would be a good Northern border for downtown. Trumbull would be about right on Westside. Detroit River on South. Eastside? jjaba. | ||
Dodgemain Member Username: Dodgemain Post Number: 100 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 68.41.191.58 |
For old timers, downtown ends at Hastings on the eastside | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 3961 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.171.136.201 |
Very well. That's about right, Hastings Street or what's left of it. Now we have an Eastern boundary of Downtown Detroit. jjaba. |
