  Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 164 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 136.181.195.84 |
Since Dennis Archer and Freeman Hendrix were widely regarded as "Uncle Toms" for embracing relations with the suburbs, how does Kwame embracing a white developer for the Book Cadillac make him any different? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4442 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.84.90 |
By using his black charm. Saying " If you invest in Detroit, tax breaks will come to you." Is that tactic implied to Dennis Archer's/CDB tax break development plan since 1994? | ||
Blessyouboys Member Username: Blessyouboys Post Number: 485 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.209.167.110 |
http://www.answers.com/topic/u ncle-tom | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 770 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.242.213.101 |
One major investor does not an Uncle Tom make. There's a difference between working with EVERYONE and selling out to a select few in the burbs. That's my take on the sit. Nice way to throw shit on a good news story. Congratulations pacypacy. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6194 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
You're coming late to the party, Pacy. This topic was discussed quite a bit during the election. Everyone seemed to agree that Kilpatrick is immune from charges of "not being black enough" and could (and would!) freely negotiate with white-owned business interests. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 682 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 68.60.110.77 |
LOL, I gotta use this one, "I used my black charm to ..." | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 166 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 136.181.195.84 |
He sure looked like it to me yesterday. Used by our gal Governor to fetch votes for her and by a multi-millionaire developer to pick money for him. | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6197 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
I get what you're saying about our gal Governor, because the entire state loves Detroit and its mayor and must be thrilled at seeing her throwing taxpayer money at urban renewal. This is smart politics for her. But I'm not sure what you mean about the multi-millionaire devloper "picking" money for the mayor? | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 739 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.8.129.71 |
I'm speechless! later - naturalsister | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2673 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.221.37.219 |
Quinn, again spare us the disingenuousness. Talk about "throwing shit" on something. Ferchill, Earley, Rakolta, Karmanos, Mouroun, Nicholson, etc. adds up to more than just "one". Furthermore, if you're White (which if I'm not mistaken you have said that you are...then again your friend "Ilovedetroit" has made varying claims about race), it is racist of you to call a Black person an "Uncle Tom". Congratulations indeed. | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 205 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.43.122.151 |
Good question. I've just lost my faith in the electorate. It helps me ignore blatant discrepancies like this. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 740 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.8.129.71 |
How the hell is this a discrepancy? If Mayor Kilpatrick has caused anyone to lose their faith in the electorate, you have been sleeping your whole voting life. People, please - get real. later - naturalsister | ||
Soulsauce Member Username: Soulsauce Post Number: 171 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 71.159.22.7 |
Cedric the Entertainer calls it "The Power of the Chocolate." LOL. | ||
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken Post Number: 206 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 68.43.122.151 |
I'm glad the Mayor is cooperating with whomever can help get deals done. I just think Archer caught alot of crap during his tenure. Maybe more of his deals were tainted than is commonly known? | ||
Soulsauce Member Username: Soulsauce Post Number: 172 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 71.159.22.7 |
This thread is stupid and mean spirited. I fail to see the point except to complain about the fact that KK isn't being vilified. This is the kind of crap that keeps this area from progressing. The Book Cadillac is getting done..you are still not happy. If KK had insisted on a black developer...people would have been up at arms. All last year, people on this board kept crying about how they wanted a mayor that wasn't getting constant bad press. 2006 is here and the mayor's getting positive press...people are pissed about that now. ::mind boggles:: Some people are just bound and determined to keep their drawers in a bunch about SOMETHING. The election is OVER. Get over it and move on or get out of here and move on! Either way, stop spewing your hatred and leave the rest of us to enjoy a city that is finally starting to blossom.  | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 89 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 68.251.56.124 |
wow, way to make it a racial issue out of a positive event....I doubt most of us could care less if the developer is green, blue, red, white, back, Mongolian ect...Detroit is making progress, embrace it; people need to cut out the whole, “black city”, “white suburbs” crap, its all of our city whether you live there now or your parents/grandparents grew up there and you cherish their memories. If we keep this racial bickering and only doing business with black business owners ect……. nothing will be solved, we ALL need to be a part of this. You should not feel threatened by diversity. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 771 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 69.242.213.101 |
AH AND THERE HE IS METRODETGUY! HAHAHAHA. RIGHT ON CUE! LOSER! I LOVE DETROIT YES! | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 172 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 136.181.195.84 |
itsjeff QUOTE: But I'm not sure what you mean about the multi-millionaire devloper "picking" money for the mayor? Reread it Jeff. The implication is the Mayor is "picking" money for a multi-millionaire. So again, he's "fetching" votes for Granholm and "picking" money for a multi-millionaire. Both whitey's. Hence the "Uncle" Kwame post. What was the difference between what he's doing and what Archer was doing? | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6203 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
Tried, but no luck. Perhaps if you rephrased it, only this time doing it grammatically correct? The implication is the Mayor is "picking" money for a multi-millionaire. So again, he's "fetching" votes for Granholm and "picking" money for a multi-millionaire. It's the "picking money for a multi-millionaire" that's got me stumped. Do you mean, "GETTING money FROM a multi-millionaire?" Cuz that would make sense. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3708 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.74.31.233 |
What you've written, Pacy2 is called a: It's used as a political strawman ploy, usually as a prelude to a negative position being stated. So, in essence, your ending question to Jeff is really not a question at all!! Go figure .... on wheteher ItsJeff will want to argue with you or not?!?!?! Black-atcha ..... this is too easy!!! | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6204 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125 |
If I understood his point better, I might end up agreeing with him. But I doubt it. | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 173 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 24.192.166.67 |
itsJeff: If I understood his point better, I might end up agreeing with him. But I doubt it. Okay, by "Picking money" it is an analogy to picking cotton. Kwame is making (picking) money for a white developer. This developer isn't doing hundreds of millions of dollars in renovations to take a loss or break even, so Kwame is picking money for him, just as he is stepping and fetching votes for our gal governor, that is why I called him Uncle (Tom) Kwame. How is that any different than what Dennis Archer and Freeman Hendrix were accused of? Get it? | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 520 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 68.43.107.72 |
It's a shame when everything in this town is a black white thing. People in this area are morons. When this area actually gets over it's race issues and gets a decent not even great but decent transit. Then maybe I'll believe the Detroit rebirth crap i hear | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6207 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.136.149.133 |
Pacy, Got it. Thanks. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 741 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 70.8.122.93 |
They are BOTH Democrats. What is he supposed to do? Every Governor of Michigan is white. Jeez!@#*! later - naturalsister | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2353 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.54.234 |
This is a stupid thread ... you can't win no matter what you do someone always slinging something. | ||
Detroiternthemist Member Username: Detroiternthemist Post Number: 67 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 68.73.53.71 |
I agree Ilovedetroit.......d | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 175 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 24.192.166.67 |
Quote: They are BOTH Democrats. What is he supposed to do? Find a brother to do the renovation. No one has answered my question yet. By partnering with a white man, how is Uncle Kwame any different than what Dennis Archer and Freeman Hendrix are accused of being...Uncle Tom's. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2354 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.242.213.101 |
Pacypacy - No one cares........ | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3710 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.74.31.233 |
Dead on point, ILD!!!!  Black-atcha ..... | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 3935 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 24.11.154.56 |
This was a foolish question to begin with and especially coming from Pacypacy, who I need say no more about as his/her reputation precedes him/her. Who is pacypacy to even begin to discuss what an Uncle Tom is? | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 180 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 24.192.166.67 |
Ilovedetroit Quote: Pacypacy - No one cares........ If you love detroit then you SHOULD care, is it really that or is it just no one wants to admit their hipocracy? | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 1665 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 75.9.244.48 |
Pacypacy, in Detroit, if you're black and not the same complexion or darker than Kwame Kilpatrick, you will inevitably be perceived as an Uncle Tom the moment it is discovered by blacks that whites support you. It happened to Archer and it happened to Hendrix. Kilpatrick, however, is immune because you can clearly see that he's black. Black Detroiters will give him the benefit of doubt. A lighter brother won't be seen the same way. His allegiance to his "race" by members of his own race will always be questioned. Pacypacy, I would have to sit you down over dinner to explain the complexities of what I just said. Just accept it as fact and not beat yourself over the head trying to figure out why Kilpatrick can get away with things that others can't. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 742 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.30.138.79 |
Pacypacy, I didn't here of any "brothers" interested. You act like there were "brothers" lined up to renovate the BC and Mayor Kilpatrick didn't give them a play. Get real. How many billionaire developers period were interested in this project. Again I say - Jeez!@#%! later - naturalsister | ||
Itsjeff Member Username: Itsjeff Post Number: 6208 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.136.149.133 |
Dead on point, ILD!!!! I think Rasputin is mellowing in his old age. The B-C deal is the trifecta of everything you and Brian have rallied against for years: The City of Detroit in bed with a white developer to restore a hotel that glorifies Detroit's euro-centric history. Complete with tax breaks and a million dollar gift from Wayne County. If Helmut were mayor and made this deal, you and Brian would be standing in front of CAYMC with pitchforks. | ||
Ilovedetroit Member Username: Ilovedetroit Post Number: 2355 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.246.54.234 |
Itsjeff - No I would not. I am just glad it is happening my love of the city outweighs anything else. I think most people (including myself) are just glad that it is happening. Lets face it. The majority of dollars are controlled in the US by wealthy white men. Until one day when african americans and others are on an equal footing this is where the money will come from. It is the programs that we have in place (affirmative action, minority contract bidding etc) that will help people (including all women) to have the ability to provide capital to projects like the BC. Remember we have a vote on affirmative actin coming up this Fall, help keep it in place for Michigan! My political choice is no secret for mayor of this city, however, if there had been another mayor and he or she had closed this deal I would just be happy! | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 40 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
I didn't see anyone else stepping up yelling that they wanted to be the developer for the BC. If someone wants to take on that project, who cares what color they are? Just be glad it's happening. All of the other folks who wanted to give it a try backed out after they saw the condition it was in. Scaffolding up, scaffolding down, scaffolding up, scaffolding down. Let's hope it stays up this time. | ||
Pacypacy_ Member Username: Pacypacy_ Post Number: 181 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 136.181.195.84 |
Royce, thanks for your answer. I now understand and am done with this post. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3712 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.74.31.233 |
Damn, ignorance runs rampant up-in-here with some scared-to-say-what-they-really -mean folk..... if not ignorance, a "hidden agenda" that is very transparent. Go figure .... from the Gov's race to the B-C .... quite a leap!!! btw: I still say ..... TEAR THAT SCHITT DOWN!! It'll close in 2 years after opening ..... it's called Bankruptcy!!! Black-atcha ..... (Message edited by Rasputin on June 29, 2006) | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1978 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Original Post by Pacy
I agree Ras Pacy never mentioned the B.C. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 1979 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
I guess you edited a little too late Ras. | ||
Rasputin Member Username: Rasputin Post Number: 3717 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.74.31.233 |
Hence the edit; dumbass ..... what'sa matter ... did the edit bother you? or do you have something against truthful corrections? Insecure, eh????? Black-atcha ..... ROFLMAO @ a gnat attempting to discredit a shark!!! | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10268 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.37.236 |
Damn Royce, talk about hitting the nail on the head! |
