  Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 416 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.145.5 |
I was doing some research on Mt. Olivet Cemetery and read that section 15 (Close to Van Dyke) contains many of the Detroit gangsters from the 30's/40's. It got me to thinking about who are the most famous gansters to have their final resting place in Detroit cemeteries? Anyone know where some of the people from the purple gang are buried? Thanks. Gansters = Gangsters. (Message edited by rjk on July 23, 2006) | ||
Gary Member Username: Gary Post Number: 160 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.248.0.20 |
You might find something here http://www.findagrave.com/ | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1168 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.251.28 |
The Purple Gang was Jewish, so chances are that those guys were buried in Jewish cemeteries or in cemeteries that have Jewish sections. Mt. Olivet is a Catholic cemetery with lots of Italian-Americans, so it's a good bet there are some Toccos and Giacalones and Zerillis and Licavolis in there. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 467 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 65.185.132.134 |
they are sleeping with the fishies | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 2706 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 128.36.14.165 |
look for the tombstones diggin the scene with the gangster lean ... | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4120 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Here's a few Purple Gang members. Moe Dalitz. 1899-1989. Buried Palm Memorial East Cemetery, Las Vegas. Bugsy Siegel. 1906-1947. Hollywood Forever, Hollywood, LA., Calif. Mickey Cohen. 1913-1976. Hillside Memorial Park, Culver City, Calif. Henry Schorr. 1896-1934. Remains never found. Eddie Fletcher. 1898-1933. Washington Cemetery, Brooklyn, NY. Abe Axler. 1901-1933. Washington Cemetery, Brooklyn, NY. Harry Millman. 1911-1937. Workmen Circle Cemetery, Clinton Twp., Michigan. Irving Milberg. 1903-1938. Machpelah Cemetery, Ferndale, Michigan. Ezra Jones (Jonas). 1896-1932. Shot at Stork Club, Rowena St., Detroit. Buried, Valhalla Cemetery, Hanley Hills, MO. Irving Shapiro. 1904-1929. Body found on street, 2463 Taylor St., Detroit. Buried, Machpelah Cemetery, Ferndale, Michigan. Gus Winkler. 1901-1933. Park Lane Cemetery, Lemay, MO. Sam Drapkin. 1909-1965. Took nine machinegun shots and lived. Told cops was shot by Santa Claus. Survivor. Buried, Machpelah Cemetery, Ferndale, Michigan. Give us the results of your search. Much is written about the Oakland Ave. Sugar House (supplied sugar to bootleggers), Colingwood Massacre, and Eastern Market activities. jjaba. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1148 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
"Sam Drapkin. 1909-1965. Took nine machinegun shots and lived. Told cops was shot by Santa Claus. Survivor. Buried, Machpelah Cemetery, Ferndale, Michigan." Was he buried as a survivor, or did he die normally first? | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4121 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Sam Drapkin lived 56 yrs. Review the list and see that many of the gangsters lived only into their 30s. That is what is meant by "survivor." As per custom, you must be dead to be buried in a Jewish Cemetery. No doubt, Drapkin qualified. Livernoisyard can provide us with the details of his death, or the deaths of the others mentioned. There's tons of books about these infamous louts. jjaba, at 12th and Colingwood looking for some action. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1149 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Wasn't the action closer to 11th Street? A vacant lot today... | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 109 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
12th and Collingwood was the sight of the Collingwood Masacre which saw the dimise of Herman "Hymie" Paul, Joe Lebovitz and Izzy Sutker. The three were members of Detroit's Little Jewish Navy, but double-crossed the Purples once too often. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1154 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
"12th and Collingwood was the sight of the Collingwood Masacre..." And what a sight that site was! But could you cite it a bit better? That apartment was somewhat east of 12th Street...closer to 11th? (Message edited by LivernoisYard on July 25, 2006) | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4122 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Cite your citation. What a conflagration. The Navy and the Purples collide, A few of dem died. It was a sight in the night Thugs in a big nasty fight. jjaba. | ||
1630 Member Username: 1630 Post Number: 42 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 71.159.22.100 |
Is there an 11th street? I thought Woodrow Wilson was the next parallel street to the east of 12th Street. I grew up between 12th and Woodrow Wilson. I never heard of an 11th street. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1166 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
I forgot the name for what would be 11th. Anyway, that former apartment was somewhat east of 12th, inside that long block. | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 110 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Actually, it was west of 12th St. on Collingwood. The address was 1740 Collingwood, Apt. 211. I belive the building is still standing, albeit abandoned. Went passed there recently but wa looking at some other historic structures in the area. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 309 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 4.229.90.157 |
Collingwood massacre story: http://www.crimelibrary.com/ga ngsters_outlaws/gang/purple/4. html | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1167 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
It was about 25,000 miles west or about 1/2 block east of 12th. I'd head east if I were going there from 12th Street. 1740 Collinwood The last time I was there eight years ago, there were three cars being stripped across the street from the vacant lots where the apartment once stood. Or so I thought. But not about the cars, though. Those dozen guys were busy. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on July 25, 2006) | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 114 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Thanks Livernoisyard, I stand corrected. Guess I was looking at the wrong building. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4130 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Livernoisyard is blowing smoke. Ain't no 11th Street. Everybody says the bldg. was near 12th and Collingwood. That's close enough. Google it and see what pops up. Livrnoisyard can start off 25,000 miles away, and still not get there. But, wow, how many Mc Donalds piss stops is that? That would be 8 times across the USA. jjaba, Westsider. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 1334 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.2.148.108 |
There was an 11th street, it just never got near Collingwood. Only ran a couple of blocks south of Michigan on a 1930s map. It looks like it became Harrison north of Michigan Ave. I'd have to go into some older maps to find out the when and where of it. On some of the old maps there are 1/2 number streets that don't exist anymore. | ||
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2 Post Number: 743 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177 |
Can anyone verify if this building is still there and if so does anyone have a current photo of the building? Livedog2 | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1170 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
There probably were other numbered streets in that area other than 12th, 14th, or what-not at one time. But my point is: the distance east off 12th Street of that apartment is over 1/2 the distance between 12th and 14th Streets. So that's why I monikered it as "11th." LiveDog2: Google Earth Collingwood. Mapquest places the address just over 1/2 "block" east of 12th. There were vacant lots there a decade ago, and no real Renaissance is occurring there. So, it should be a vacant lot today. Might even see some cars on blocks... | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4133 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Livernoisyard, thanks for the explanation. jjaba thanks you, the widows of the fallen Purples thank you, the children of the fallen Jewish Navy thank you. jjaba. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4136 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
More info. on Purple gang fate. Harry Millman. Was shot 10 times at Boeskeys Resturant, 12th Street, Detroit. This time he is listed at Beth Isaac Cemetery. Irving Shapiro. 1906-1929. Went for a ride, two bullets to back of head.Body thrown from speeding car. Found on Taylor Street in Detroit. Machpelah Cemetery, Ferndale, Michigan. Irving Milberg. Died 29 Sept. 1938. Sentenced to life for Collingwood Manor Massacre. During surgery at Marquette Prison, died of peritonitis. He was 35 yrs. old. Machpelah Cemetery, Ferndale, Michigan. Myron Selik. 1912-1996. He robbed the Aristocrat Club. He murdered State Senator Warren G. Hooper. Adat Shalom Cemetery, Michigan. Bugsy Siegel. 1906-1947. Gunned down to death. Hollywood Forever, Los Angeles, Calif. Moe Sewdway. 1894-1952. Hollywood Forever, Hollywood, Los Angeles, Calif. jjaba, research dept. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1170 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.251.28 |
What about the Bernstein brothers (Abe, Joe, Raymond, and Isadore (Izzy))? | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 422 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.41.145.5 |
Speaking of the Bernstein brothers, aticles about the Purples mention that they grew up in a poor jewish section on the east side of the city. Anyone know what the specific boundries of this area where? Thanks. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4137 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Hastings St., Oakland St., the inner Eastside below the Blvd. jjaba. | ||
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2 Post Number: 754 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177 |
Jjaba, this is a classic quote! Livedog2 | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 118 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Joey and Isadore Bernstein moved to California and became legitimate businessmen. Abe was found dead in his room at the Book Cadillac Hotel in 1968. Ray suffered a stroke in prison in 1963, was released in 1964 and died at Um of M Med Center in 1966. Jjaba, are you sure Mike Selik died in 1996? I have a book that was written in 2000 and said he was the last living Purple at the time. Was living in a Southfield nursing home at the time. | ||
Hornwrecker Member Username: Hornwrecker Post Number: 1343 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.2.148.83 |
The 1925 Sanborn map of 1740 Collingwood:  Sure is a large, rambling, three story apartment building, even had storefronts on 12th St. | ||
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2 Post Number: 756 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177 |
Jjaba, I just about soiled myself when I read what Sam Drapkin said after he was shot with nine (9) machinegun bullets. Then, I read this account of the only survivor of the St. Valentine's Day massacre before he died. One of the dying men, Frank "Tight Lips" Gusenberg, was asked who shot him, he replied, "Nobody shot me." What's with these tough fukking Jewish gangsters? I guess the message is don't fukk with those Jews -- Hezbollah is finding out how tough those Jews really are and they're not even gangsters! :-) Livedog2 | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 4140 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 71.193.193.49 |
Sorry about the dates. jjaba read it that way. Maybe there was a gap between when the book was written and published. Well, he's dead now. That IS known. Thanks Livedog2, jjaba tells it like it tis. No proud gangster ever squeals. jjaba, Westside Bar Mitzvah Bukkor. |
