Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 2491 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.34
| Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:23 pm: | |
I am not a Catholic, but while flipping thru my cable channels, I stopped at the Catholic EWTN Network. They had a 1 hour show tonight on Father Solanus Casey, the former Capuchin Monk turned priest who resided at Detroit's St. Bonaventure Monastery, which we know of as the Capuchin Kitchen on Mt. Elliott. It seems that Father Casey died 49 years ago next week at St. John Hospital on July 31, 1957. And the show was devoted to all the supposed miracle cures that people received because of his intervention. I was surprised by the volume of witnesses and their stories. Anyway, Fr. Casey was venerated in 1995 (I assume "beatification" would be the next step). And I remember reading about 15 million dollars being spent in the monastery in building upgrades (expansions?) for possible future sainthood. Since I'm not Catholic, I don't know how many American saints there are, but I know it is very very few. Wouldn't his sainthood cause major pilgramages to Detroit by the Catholic (and other) faithful? Especially in lieu of his many "miracles", even after his death, at his tomb. When I was touring France in the 1980's I came across the small town of Lisieux, and I was absolutely blown away by the Basilica of St. Therese of Liseux (a late 19th/early 20th century saint). They built an enormous church and separate bell tower on a hill overlooking Lisieux that just blew my socks off. I know that we won't be getting any "Vatican City" built in Detroit if Fr. Solanus becomes a saint, but it certainly could have a major impact on the lower east side if he were sainted. Comments? |
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2
Post Number: 759 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:06 am: | |
Fr. Solanus Casey can and will do more for the city of Detroit dead than anyone alive can even imagine doing. This is a big deal, certainly for the Catholic Community, but in general for the whole city of Detroit. Fr. Casey has already been beatified and he is well on his way to sainthood. If you haven’t been over to the Fr. Solanus Casey Center, yet, you need to go there even if you are a Zulu Hindu. It is very impressive and you can already see the steady flow of pilgrims to the St. Bonaventure Monastery requesting intercession by the spirit of Fr. Casey for their petitions. I think it’s just a matter of time until he is elevated to sainthood and then the flow will turn into an avalanche of people coming for a pilgrimage. This will put Detroit on the map in a way that I don’t think anyone can even imagine. I hope the notoriety and infamy will be handled respectfully instead of turning it into some kind of slick Disneyland kind of destination. I had a personal miraculous experience with the monastery 35 years ago that has changed the whole course of my life and I do believe in miracles! Fr. Solanus Casey's Funeral Livedog2 |
Valkyrias Member Username: Valkyrias
Post Number: 318 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 69.47.103.87
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:56 am: | |
a very good friend of my mother's is part of the fr. solanus casey group dedicated to helping him become a saint (the name of the group escapes me right now). my mom also beleives very strongly that fr. solanus has performed miracles, based on the stories of others, and for many MANY years has carried an artifact of his in her wallet, and even gave me one when i was about 13 (and is also in my wallet). just last year i visited the center and was amazed to see how it looked compared to the last time i was there, 15 years ago when i was in the 8th grade and helped at the soup kitchen as part of our confirmation requirements. 15 years ago, there wasn't much there. the neighborhood was a mess. it was a depressing sight for a 13 year old. but now there are all sorts of additions, an informational museum on fr. solanus, and they even moved his coffin to a hall of sorts, so that people can surround it. on top of the coffin there are dozens and dozens of papers with people's prayers written on them. it is most definitely an amazing thing to see, especially knowing what the facilities looked like before, and already having the knowledge from my mother of fr. solanus. so yes, when he becomes a saint, i think it will have a HUGE effect on the city. i've never really thought about it until you brought it up...but, being a catholic and knowing about such pilgrimages, it makes total sense. |
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2
Post Number: 761 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 1:04 am: | |
I wish you hadn't mentioned his coffin because Kwame may try to figure out how to sell it or the scrapers may try to scrap it. Holy cows what a frightening thought! Oh, that's just a figure of speech G-d. Livedog2 |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 2494 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.34
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 2:44 am: | |
Thanks folks, I didn't realize that Fr. Solanus had already been beatified. But then again, I remembered that the TV show was filmed in the 1990's after he was raised to "venerated". They did say that when they reburied him from outside to the new inside chapel, that his body had not been corrupted by decay, another requisite for sainthood. Wow, elevation to sainthood would also make a good reason for a visit to Detroit by Pope Benedict XVI! (Message edited by Gistok on July 27, 2006) |
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve
Post Number: 3109 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.252.4.96
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 6:36 am: | |
Incorruptibility isn't a requirement for sainthood, but it's a pretty good indication of some pretty powerful intervention going on. |
Czar Member Username: Czar
Post Number: 3173 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.188.225
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 9:23 am: | |
Sainthood comes cheap these days. I believe Pope John Paul II ratified more saints than the Catholic Church had done in the previous 500 years combined. It reminds me of that old Father Guido Sarducci routine. |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 1459 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.57
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 9:27 am: | |
For more information on the Solanus Casey Guild and Father Solanus Casey: http://www.solanuscasey.org/ For information on the Solanus Casey Center at St. Bonaventure Monastery: http://www.solanuscenter.org/ It is definitely worth a visit to see! Also....http://www.wau.org/current/art icle.asp?id=1985 |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 1460 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.122.57
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 9:29 am: | |
And an auto industry tie-in.... "... The long list of favors granted included one to the Chevrolet motor company. In 1925 the firm was near bankruptcy when an auto worker, John McKenna, who feared losing his job, enrolled Chevrolet into the Seraphic Mass Association for 50 cents. Two nights later the company got an order for 45,000 machines. ..." http://info.detnews.com/histor y/story/index.cfm?id=195&categ ory=people |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 8667 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 70.54.70.86
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 9:30 am: | |
I agree Czar. I keep petitioning the Catholic Church to stop with all the ratifications as it has cheapened what Sainthood should be about. Fr. Solanus is one that definitely should be while there are many others that a person has to shake their head at. |
Valkyrias Member Username: Valkyrias
Post Number: 319 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 66.238.129.197
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 10:36 am: | |
"They did say that when they reburied him from outside to the new inside chapel, that his body had not been corrupted by decay" i distinctly remember learning when i was there in the 8th grade, that fr. solanus had skin cancer, and when they re-burried him, not only had his body not decayed but there was also no visible sign of him having skin cancer. |
Czar Member Username: Czar
Post Number: 3175 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.188.225
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 10:41 am: | |
^Hmmm, I wonder if a coroner verified that, probably not. |
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette
Post Number: 180 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 151.202.107.44
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 11:37 am: | |
My husband was blessed by Fr. Solanus and he's still here. |
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2
Post Number: 763 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:04 pm: | |
Is that a complaint or a compliment? Livedog2 |
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve
Post Number: 3113 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 136.181.195.17
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:14 pm: | |
"Hmmm, I wonder if a coroner verified that, probably not." If that is used as part of the cause for sainthood, you can rest assured that more than one medical doctor has looked at/will look at that issue. |
Czar Member Username: Czar
Post Number: 3176 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 129.137.188.225
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:29 pm: | |
^Probably Catholic ones too. Funny how that works. Really, a body not decomposing? This is the 21st century isn't it? Maybe they buried him in a brine casket? |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 7594 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:42 pm: | |
So back to the original topic. What kind of benefit will this truly have for Detroit as a whole? People may go to the site but I doubt many will spend their dollars or stay in the city. I suspect this will be a short pilgrimage and will not result in people committing to working for charitable organziations, etc. It is good from an image perspective but from a dollars and cents and city improvement issue what will it really do for the city? Every thread needs a pessimist. |
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2
Post Number: 765 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:51 pm: | |
I nominate you, Jt1! Livedog2 |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 2495 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.3.191
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 1:46 pm: | |
Well sainthood may come cheaply, but just how many American saints are there?? For some reason only 2 comes to mind. So apparently American's haven't been all that saintly ( ). |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 7600 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 1:49 pm: | |
From wikipedia: In 1995, Pope John Paul II declared Father Casey to be venerable, which is the first step in the path to sainthood and make him the first American born man to achieve this stage. Many miraculous cures have been associated with Father Solanus's intercession both when he was alive and after his death. Pilgrims from around the world continue to make pilgrimages to Father Solanus's tomb at St Bonaventure. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 2496 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.3.191
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 2:05 pm: | |
Thanks Jt1, and as some have already stated, he has also passed step 2 (beatification). With an influx of even more pilgrims if Sainthood is achieved, those pilgrims are going to have to stay somewhere, and eat something?? So this could be a boon for Detroit. Yeah there will be day trippers from Michigan, Ontario, Indiana and Ohio... but folks from beyond will need lodging and sustinance, especially if they have an affiction. IIRC, the other 2 USA saints were European born (such as Elisabeth Ann Seton?)... or was one a native American Indian? I cannot recall the 2nd one. |
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2
Post Number: 767 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 2:09 pm: | |
I think a Native Detroiter named Livedog2! Is that Native American enough? Livedog2 |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 2497 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.3.191
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 2:12 pm: | |
Livedog2... aw come on... admit it.... you're no saint! |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 3542 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.38.13.147
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 2:25 pm: | |
American Saints:Elizabeth Ann Seton John Neumann Rose Duschesne Isaac Jogues Rene Goupil Katharine Drexel Frances Cabrini http://www.allformary.org/Amer icanSaints/saintsAmerican.htm |
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2
Post Number: 768 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 2:29 pm: | |
Oh well, Gistok, you're probably right! :-) You can't blame me for trying to slip one by but "Forumers" like you are just too sharp for me to be able to get one by you!! :-), again Livedog2 |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 1917 Registered: 02-2005 Posted From: 68.248.13.92
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 2:57 pm: | |
Gistok, the St. Bonaventure monastery is already a notable place, but if there was a St. Solanus of Detroit, that place would boom, as it would likely create an expansive exhibit, and perhaps house any relics of his. Many Catholics, and religious/history buffs in general, will travel to see something like this. At a church in central Philadelphia is a St. John Neumann memorial/relic site. I believe he was a Czech immigrant to PA, and I'm sad that I didn't visit the site last time I was there. I can see the Monastery expanding, and the archdiocese of Detroit having a major role in this, in addition to increasing overall tourism to Detroit, and the success of related Detroit-history and Catholic church-history venues. A lot of religious folks will visit Detroit to see this, and perhaps tour our historic churches and our downtown while they're here. Above all, we need more people to take an active role in ministering to the poor and suffering of the city the way Casey did. |
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 120 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 6:16 pm: | |
We could all take a page or two from Fr.Solanus' work with the poor. As for the point of pilgrims comming to Detroit, I am sure there will be many visiting from Eastern Europe especialy Poland which is still very much staunch Catholics. As far as pilgrims from America, there will probably be a steady stream to the site. |
Hamtramck_steve Member Username: Hamtramck_steve
Post Number: 3115 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.252.4.96
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 7:03 pm: | |
"Probably Catholic ones too. Funny how that works. Really, a body not decomposing? This is the 21st century isn't it? Maybe they buried him in a brine casket?" Even modern embalming does not stop a body from decomposing indefinitely. Nothing we can do can stop our physical trip "from dust to dust". The most we get is to slow the process to a crawl. When you're talking incorruptibles, the best example is probably St. Bernadette of Lourdes. She died around 1880, and twice her corpse was exhumed. Both times, nothing had happened to it. Today, her still-fresh corpse can be seen at a Chapel in Europe. |
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 125 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44
| Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 7:12 pm: | |
Hamtramck_steve, Have to understand that many Non- Catholics are not familier with incorruptibles as regaurds to saints. I have gotten into many debates with non Catholics over the years and they all try to explain how the bodies can be preserved in the 20th century. Too bad many were from the 19th century or earlier. |
Paulmcall
Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 835 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 68.40.119.216
| Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:27 am: | |
The citizens of Detroit should pray to Casey to solve the budget crisis and cut down on shootings. If that happens, I'd say he qualifies for sainthood. |