  Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6214 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22 |
I was on a mid-afternoon jog to the river, and after paying homage to the Underground Railroad, praying for a return to 'good' and unity for the unions, asking for some of Joe Louis' strength for the city, and finally invoking the Spirit of Detroit to once again have us enjoy a full measure of liberty (or freedom, depending upon your bible translation of the verse printed behind the statue)...I jogged up the block past 1001 Woodward and saw a woman simply asking, then begging for the bus driver to open the door to let her in...while it was already stopped at the light. She was obviously pretty exhausted from the heat...and could barely put up a fight. But the driver of the bus (either 1402 or 1802, I'm a wee foggy from heat exhaustion) wouldn't let her in...and just looked down at this woman for the entire duration of the stoplight. I couldn't believe it. Hottest day of the fucking year so far, and for once in all eternity a bus driver was so interested in policy or her schedule as to not simply open the doors and let this poor woman in for her ride. To me, that is inhumane and inexcusible. Don't give me the excuse that she had to keep on schedule, because it is plainly obvious that the schedule is not their highest priority. If it were, Sport wouldn't spend so much time meeting people at bus stops...or giving up and taking cabs. Seriously though, why can't they bend policy on the worst weather days of the year--both cold and hot?! I shook a handful of my genitals at her in protest. From the w-i-d-e grin she gave me, that might NOT have been the message I was trying to send...she might've taken it as an encouragement for her cruel behavior. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4713 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.230 |
Sometimes the intense heat can make a human flarred up its ignorance. Did this woman was at the bus stop? Did this bus driver who had to go through this policy to make sure everyone have payed their FARE share for a ride. Or did this bus driver who is on the clock wants to hurry up and make her last schueduled run for the heat is bothering it? More young folks are getting ignorant everyday. That's why we as Christians step up to the world and tell them REPENT! OR GO TO HELL for you're feeling the Hell fire buring through you And its not's God's natural sunlit heat that's bothering you. | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 799 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.21.62.206 |
Dog wars don't need flat help for the light brown angle. GO! Speak in water for the day to come. My mom is the finest mouse-taker on a Sunday-stretch, so the fiends from the oven can't read. Whether you're a doll or broke or plywood-soaked resin, the plate o' broccolli can't warrant TRIED TREATMENT. That's what's bothering taken!!!!!!!!! | ||
Ed_golick Member Username: Ed_golick Post Number: 366 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.246.55.51 |
HELP! The heat is making my computer show random words that make no sense at all. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2026 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 129.9.163.233 |
I thought this was the missing the daily meds thread. | ||
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander Post Number: 2056 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.244 |
Gannon don't work so hard at trying to get posted in the Hotfudge overshare post du jour. Just let it happen naturally. (Message edited by Merchantgander on August 01, 2006) | ||
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2 Post Number: 827 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177 |
What the fukk happened did they install computer terminals in Eloise!? Livedog2 | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6216 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22 |
LOL, thought you said I couldn't help it. This is just my dear diary for the day...injustice in the extreme heat, that's all. Ndavies, I was OUT running AS my daily meds... Cheers! | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 330 Registered: 11-2005 Posted From: 67.107.47.65 |
I thought the folks I saw running at 6:30 am this morn were nutty since it was hot and humid then. Gannon I can't believe you went running at mid day. I hope you and the exhausted lady had some cool beverages handy. | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 924 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 209.104.146.146 |
I don't know who to side with on this post - the rule following bus driver or the poor, sweaty bus-rider-not-to-be. The image of Gannon (whose appearance is a mystery to me) grabbing some crotch is making me side with the driver. | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 170 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
SMART will NOT shut down if the August 8, 2006 property tax renewal is defeated. It is against the law to pass a local tax that replaces state funding. It is against our rights as clearly defined by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and in my website with funding statistics provided and referenced. I filed an official complaint against the Livonia Opt Out as our state is required by law to leave the 285 bus route intact. SMART cannnot by law cut up bus routes as the state is required by law to pay for them. Livonia pays for SMART at the gas pumps and it is our right to fight for this money. I will go on television and tell everyone that every SMART bus driver will have a job even if the tax fails in all three counties. Please support my efforts or publicly challenge me, if you can. http://savethefueltax.org | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 418 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 209.220.229.254 |
Hasn't this Trainman thing gone far enough? | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 725 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
........and some wonder why people prefer their cars to mass transit. | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 318 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.227.95.4 |
Were there other passengers on the bus? There are a ton of legitimate reasons why the driver may have refused to pick up the would be passenger. The driver could have been heading back to the yard, the bus could have been having mechanical or safety related issues, could have actually been one of the mechanics on a test run, could have been a known troublemaker (the would be passenger), etc, etc, etc. Things are not always as they seem. Then again they might have just been a heartless prick. | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 306 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Driver should have let her on, period. She would have paid full fare. The bus was stopped anyway. Don't see what the issue would have been...it's just being kind to another person to open the darn door and let the exhausted woman take a seat. I think they call it humanity. | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 319 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.227.95.4 |
(Message edited by Johnnny5 on August 01, 2006) | ||
Jenniferl Member Username: Jenniferl Post Number: 306 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 12.75.43.121 |
In my experience, it is rare for bus drivers to let people in if they're not standing at a bus stop. Or if you're downtown, you have to be at the right bus stop. So what happened today was not anything out of the ordinary. As for the weather, most bus drivers really don't care if it's very hot (or cold, or rainy, or dark) outside. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6219 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22 |
Johnny5, There were other people on the bus. Comfortable in their a/c'd seats. I thought about the problem passenger thing, since these drivers run the same routes...they probably remember the troublemakers simply for self-preservation. Didn't think about the service thing...I think they'd NOT have a route id shining if that were the case. This was bus number 1402 or 1802...my memory is foggy after suffering some minor heat exhaustion yesterday afternoon. I'm doing my running MUCH earlier today...say, like right when I post this, if I can find my shorts. Don't want to give anyone any more disturbing visuals! Heh. I got carried away in the heat of the moment yesterday...egged on by a fellow walking beside me as I paused to observe this situation. Neither of us could believe it. After a VERY short moment, it simply became performance art. I felt very good about myself until I realized that was the first time I'd EVER shaken my package at anyone publicly, let alone towards an undeserving stranger...and if I've done it privately, I surely don't remember. The heat makes one do amazing things... | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6220 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22 |
Eric_c, How do you DO that??!! Cheers! | ||
Michikraut Member Username: Michikraut Post Number: 173 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 217.232.113.48 |
Still not clear if at a Busstop or out in traffic. Insurance- and safety reasons probably say a clear "no" when it comes to opening doors outside of designated bus-stops. Though some drivers will use common sense and weigh each circumstances independantly- many opt for safety and regulations and don´t bend. Even if at light- the "would-be" passenger would have to step out into the street and if anything - however minor - were to happen- better believe there would be a big-ass lawsuit. And System/Detroit/driver would have been up the "proverbial creek". Now, I don´t know who Gannon is- but always one to enjoy a "shaking package" Pictures anyone?! | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 6224 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 70.236.198.22 |
Bus was directly at the curb, waiting for the stoplight to change. Probably 1/2 to 1 block north of the regular stop. Woman looked like she wouldn't make it another block, let alone be able to sit in the sun for whatever duration of time it would take for the next bus to come along. She was suffering, THAT'S why it was such an issue to me. I saw a quick solution that was NOT opened up for her...the door. Again, just MY and my fellow sidewalk dweller's perceptions, could be much more to the story, as Johnny5 and others have posted above. If you really want a visual, search out the last Freep Marathon thread, Meliss took a pretty good shot of me. Just imagine it without the gold windbreaker, I think I was wearing the same shorts and shirt...and same silly grin. | ||
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto Post Number: 228 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 65.95.58.32 |
While it may seen rude that she did not let the lady on, it may have to do with insurance and claims. Bus drivers who let passengers on at places other then designated stops are held responsible if that person trips, falls down, or something. Some bus drivers do it anyway and take the chance. But others really follow that rule. Same with baby carriages. Bus drivers are responsible if they help someone and that carriage falls or something. So many refuse to help a lady get on board with a carriage. While others take the chance and do it anyway. Atleast those are the laws in Toronto. | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 173 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 64.12.116.204 |
The Michigan Department of Transportation closed the doors on over a thousand bus riders on November 8, 2005 by abolishing the state fuel tax to pay for public bus service. Is there one single person in this forum who will stand up and fight by voting NO next tuesday to reject the SMART rennewal? It will say right on your ballot that the state will not pay. It says it in the newspaper that the state won't pay. SMART officials even say it themselves and they won't fight the large billion dollar freeways. Read the ballot at the voting booth and you will see for yourself that your property tax dollars REPLACE state money. (Message edited by Trainman on August 05, 2006) | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 4723 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 141.217.174.229 |
Trainman, You still MISUNDERSTOOD the facts of public transit renewal. You quote that: The Michigan Department of Transportation closed the doors on over a thousand bus riders on November 8, 2006 by abolishing the state fuel tax to pay for public bus service. WHAT! NOVEMBER 8 2006, THAT'S IN THE FUTURE. ARE YOU WRITING ABOUT AFTER THE STATE FUEL TAX WAS CUT OFF FROM ALL PUBLIC TRANSIT IN MICHIGAN IN 2005 OR 2006? YOU'RE MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF AND YOU SO-CALLED CAMPAIGN TO DESTROY SMART BUS SYSTEM. ONCE AGAIN THE SMART BUS MILLAGE RENEWAL CALLS FOR A SLIGHT DECREASE OF FROM 0.60 MILLS TO 0.59 MILLS OF EXAMPLE, OF ANY HOMEOWNER IN WAYNE, OAKLAND AND MACOMB COUNTIES BOUGHT A $200,000 HOME. THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY ONLY $59.00 A YEAR. IT'S AFFORDABLE THAN PAYING A AVERAGE OF $700.00 A MONTH TO GAS UP YOUR CAR. THERE WOULD BE NO INCREASE OF MILLAGE TAX ON SMART. AND THE MILLAGE GRANTS WILL GO TO WAYNE, OAKLAND AND MACOMB COUNTY TRANSIT AUTHORITIES BEFORE IT GOES TO SMART. LOTS OF FOLKS WHO RIDE SMART WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE " FOR HEAVEN SAKES, YES" FOR THEY WANT TO GET TO WORK, VISIT THEIR FRIENDS AND DO THEIR ERRANDS. ESPECIALLY THE SENIORS AND DISABLED. Is there one single person in this forum who will stand up and fight by voting NO next tuesday to reject the SMART rennewal? RARELY, BUT HELL NO!!! SO FOR OVER 80% OF THE PEOPLE DEPENDED ON THE SMART BUS SYSTEM AND OUT OF 80% MY PREJECTION IS THE SMART BUS MILLAGE WILL PASS BETWIXT 65 TO 85% IN ALL THE TRI-COUNTIES. It will say right on your ballot that the sate will not pay. It says it in the newspaper that the state won't pay. SMART officials even say it themselves and they won't fight the large billion dollar freeways. OH TRAINMAN! YOU HAVE BEEN READING OF WHAT NEWSPAPER MEDIA IS TRYING TO TELL YOU. A SUDDEN SO-CALLED FREEWAY ESPANSION WILL NOT HAPPEN. IT HAD TO GET THROUGH TO THE BUREAUCRATS IN THE MICHIGAN LEGISLATURE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IN WHICH THE BUREAUCRATS WILL NOT MAKE THE PROPOSED FREEWAY EXPANSION RIGHT AWAY. QUIT LISTEN AND STOP DEPENDING ON WHAT THE MEDIA IS TRYING TO TELL YOU. ALL AMERICAN AND NATIONAL MEDIA A TOTALLY BIASED THEY PUT LIES FIRST AND SPINKLE IT WITH THE TRUTH. SO NEXT WHEN YOU READ THE NEWS AND GET THE INFO FROM THE INTERNET. DON'T TRUST THE MEDIA UNTIL YOU SEE THE PICTURES AND PEOPLE CONFESSING THE TRUTH. Read the ballot at the voting booth and you will see for yourself that your property tax dollars REPLACE state money. I READ THE BALLOT EARLIER, TRAINMAN! IT ONLY SAYS A DEACREASE FROM 0.60 MILLS TO 0.59 MILLS. NOW THAT'S A TAX RELIEF! | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 30 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44 |
Danny, its no use, trainman cannot be taught anything. It seems he has a one track mind. He is starting to belive in his own press. | ||
Frank_c Member Username: Frank_c Post Number: 711 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.139 |
Trainman are you pro-choice? Karl was wondering! | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 179 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 152.163.100.8 |
Danny, The fact that I lost my bus service is physical evidence that you can not dispute that the state has indeed abolished the fuel tax. It is in writing and you will support this discrimination if you support the SMART tax. I do not care if I make a fool of myself because I know the facta and it's a fact that Michigan will join 30 other states that rely on local and regional taxes to pay the operating costs of mass transit. SEMCOG rejects mutlple tax mechanisms for bus service and is trying very hard to raise money for large freeways and high speed rail. SEMCOG is not concerned about high passenger costs and openly rejects industry support from the company I work and other places. In fact, there is a company that wants to buy SMART and I'm sure by privatizing both DDOT and SMART that we will get better service. Danny, the key is to lower costs to attract more jobs. Not raising costs by milking the taxpayers like a bunch of cows to pay for lazy regional transit planners who obviously do not care. Danny, I'm sure you will get your wish by the passage of the SMART tax but what will YOU do to make it work? | ||
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.79.115.61 |
What the hell is wrong with this trainman guy? Talk about obsession! And what's with the drivel from Danny and Eric_c? | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 180 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
Ordinary. What's wrong with you? Are you afraid of competition? Are you afraid of those who can make mass transit work? |
