Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 1806 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 134.215.223.211
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 8:29 am: | |
A DPD cop was watching some kids at his house and thought storing his department issued gun under a bed was a safe and good idea. One of the kids he was watching, 4 years old, found it like any 4 year old would and shot himself in the head. I hope they can this guy imediately. There's no excuse for anyone, especially a cop, leaving a loaded gun under a bed in a house with kids. This makes me sick... http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=2006608110318 |
Paulmcall
Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 860 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 68.40.119.216
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 8:35 am: | |
Let's get this straight..the guy is babysitting and asleep and the kid is up at 12:30 am, gets the gun from under the bed and kills himself. Nice babysitter. I can't decide who takes the cake...this guy or the gal who left her kid to fry in her hot car while she got her hair done a few years ago. |
Kiplinger Member Username: Kiplinger
Post Number: 21 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 69.246.52.24
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 9:04 am: | |
unbelievable! The cop was 60 years old! I have to assume the safety was off because I have a hard time believing a 4 year old could figure out how to take it off and load a bullet in the chamber? There is no limit to people's stupidity. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 173 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.62.6.138
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 9:32 am: | |
Completely irresposnible! It's carelessness like this that gives gun ownership a bad name. This guy needs to do some serious time. |
Jfried Member Username: Jfried
Post Number: 873 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.190
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 9:37 am: | |
------------------------------ - I hope they can this guy imediately. There's no excuse for anyone, especially a cop, leaving a loaded gun under a bed in a house with kids. This makes me sick... ------------------------------ --- how can you call for this guys job when you really don't know all the details? how old were the other kids? were they up at the time? was the gun loaded? did one of the other kids find the bullets, or even pull the trigger? knowing how often the freep misses very important details in their stories, I think it's ridiculous to call for this mans jobs.... |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 7694 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 198.208.159.19
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 9:39 am: | |
Look at Mr. logical here. I agree with JFried but my heart goes out to the family regardless what happended. Sad situation all around. |
Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 1809 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 134.215.223.211
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:43 am: | |
Jfried, what difference do the details you ask for make? The bottom line is that this cop broke every rule of gun safety, especially when kids are around. There should have been no way that any kid should have been able to get to this gun or the ammo. Both should have been locked up even if there were no kids in the house. That's part of gun safety 101. My father is a hunter who has a few guns. He always keeps the guns in a locked case and has trigger locks on the guns in addition to this. The ammo is locked in a separate case. The cop should have his gun locked away when he's not on duty, regardless of whether kids are present or not. There is no excuse on the cops part for anything that happened here, period. |
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026
Post Number: 1126 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 24.231.189.137
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:46 am: | |
About the safety---- the police department said that those guns handed out to officers have a hair safety in the trigger itself, so it is very easy to switch on and off...obviously their reasoning is so the officer can easily use the weapon when needed |
Bvos Member Username: Bvos
Post Number: 1810 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 134.215.223.211
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:54 am: | |
The safety on a Glock is integrated into the trigger. If you're not touching the trigger, the gun is nearly impossible to accidentally shoot. If you're touching the trigger, there essentially is no safety. It's not like the safeties where you push a button to one side or the other. The safety mechanism was meant for cops. Cops are supposed to keep the safety on at all times. However there were several incidents around the country (and likely the world) where the cop got into a situation where the gun was needed, drew the gun, forgot to turn off the safety and the gun didn't fire when needed. The Glock prevents this from ever happening. |
Jfried Member Username: Jfried
Post Number: 874 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.190
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:59 am: | |
My father is a police officer, and I've also been around guns my entire life. I agree that proper security, and safety measures should always be taken - that was always the case in my home. Regardless, from the time I was about 8 years old, I knew if I really wanted to get to my fathers guns I could. I also knew that if I ever did, the punishment I would receive would be unbelievable. The fact is, one, two, or all of the other "three kids" he was babysitting could have been older teenagers, and no matter how secure the gun and bullets were, they would have figured out how to get to them. If the officer did take all precautions he could, then it is hard to blame him. The fact is, we don't know. To call for this guys job, just seems like an irresponsible, knee jerk reaction. However, if it is proved to be the officer's carelessness that caused this horrible accident, then I completely agree with you. We just don't have the details to know that, yet. Regardless, this is a horrible accident, and my sympathy also goes out to the family. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 179 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.62.6.138
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:12 am: | |
Jfried: I agree with you that proper safety measures should always be taken...however, I disagree that a determined kid can always get to a gun. My Glock is always kept in a locked, fireproof safe with an electronic keypad that only I know the combination to. And the combination is not a meaningful number to me in anyway...just something I picked at random. There is no excuse for this guy's carelessness as this is something that could have EASILY been avoided. |
Jfried Member Username: Jfried
Post Number: 875 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 209.131.7.190
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:20 am: | |
I hope you're right, but I've heard many stories of kids getting into those lockboxes. |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 744 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 207.200.116.139
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:37 am: | |
Don't knock the Freep story. It was written by Jack Kresnak, who has been the police beat reporter for over 25 years. He is a thorough and accurate reporter. Whatever he wrote at the time would be as accurate as possible. That said, yeah, this story shows there is no limit to human stupidity. |
Gary Member Username: Gary
Post Number: 178 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 71.144.94.85
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:47 am: | |
My brother is a cop and his weapons are always kept in a secure, locked place where NOBODY can get access to them. His kids are older now, but when they were the same age as this child, there never would have been loaded guns laying around the house. This is a real tragedy all around and it could have easily been prevented. |
Supersport Member Username: Supersport
Post Number: 10468 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:57 am: | |
quote:About the safety---- the police department said that those guns handed out to officers have a hair safety in the trigger itself, so it is very easy to switch on and off.
It's not exactly a hair safety. Glock's have 3 integrated safety mechanisms. One is in the trigger itself, another is a drop safety, the last being a striker safety. They do not have a traditional safety like most guns. That being said, to assume a 4 year old couldn't figure out how to unlock a traditional safety is a stretch. Kids at this age naturally like to twist, pull, and push on everything out of curiousity. The fact is, the officer NEVER should have had the gun loaded if he was babysitting. If he did, then it should have been on him at all times and not on the floor for a kid to play with. If he was lying down to go to sleep at the very least it should have been unloaded and locked. With kids around, it should have even been in a lock box. Seriously, he placed the weapon in the very easiest place for a child to get to. Once again a child dies because the gun owner was irresponsible. While it may have been accidental, the officer's negligence was not. I'm not sure how long would be sufficient, but he deserves to serve time for costing this 4 year old his life. |
Morena Member Username: Morena
Post Number: 474 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 12:47 pm: | |
FIRE THE COP FOR BEING CARELESS! |
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2
Post Number: 882 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:12 pm: | |
I'm surprised that evreyone is so surprised! Livedog2 |
Frank_c Member Username: Frank_c
Post Number: 730 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 207.200.116.139
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 3:30 pm: | |
Because most folks just catch their fish, they don't shoot them, even if they are big ole scary Tiger Muskies. Shit, my six yearold catches them and thinks nothing of it. |
Super_d Member Username: Super_d
Post Number: 964 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 70.88.106.173
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 4:06 pm: | |
Boy found gun at 12:00AM__ under the bed??? That sounds very suspicious! If it was actually an 'accident' (giving the officer the 'benefit of the doubt') __ I truely believe the officers punishment will be living with the fact that the incident occured! super d(motordetroit) |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 634 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 209.69.221.253
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 4:34 pm: | |
What? The boy didn't have it coming to him? |
Rossco Member Username: Rossco
Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 69.210.30.48
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 9:10 pm: | |
Pray |
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 83 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 66.184.3.44
| Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 9:39 pm: | |
quote: If it was actually an 'accident' (giving the officer the 'benefit of the doubt') __ I truely believe the officers punishment will be living with the fact that the incident occured! ______________________________ ___________________ Acording to the Snews, the officer had never been in trouble. If thats the case, and he's a decent guy, then I'm sure it WILL bother him for the rest of his life. |