  Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 264 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 66.174.93.102 |
Last night a friend of mine, we'll call her R, and her friend, J, and I were going to a bonfire. We all met at an apartment I manage at Milwaukee and Second, kiddy corner from the MI State Police Detroit post. We were leaving at about 10:15, and J wanted to drive herself because she might have to leave the bonfire before we do. J followed us as we get on to the northbound Lodge. As we're driving, I notice that J is driving really slowly. J calls R and says that there is a bag with a crowbar in it in her car, and that her sunroof is broken. At this point we're getting on eastbound Davison Fwy. J Says come up at Woodward so we can check this out. We are on the exit ramp of the Davison at Woodward, and I see in my rearview mirror that J's car swerves, and I see a struggle in her car. This mothafucka is in her car. We immediately pull over, and J had pulled over about 30 feet back. R and I run back to her car, and the mothafucka had jumped out and was haulin' ass down the Davison freeway. There was a car broken down right where we pulled over, with two people standing there. Everyone is calling 911. 911 is so fucked up, they are transferring everyone to the State Police, to the Sheriff, to DPD. I finally call a friend who is a sergeant with DPD, and R calls a state rep-elect who live about two blocks away. They both make it to the scene before the State Police. The State Police takes everyone's statement, and we suggest they fingerprint because there are prints all over the sunroof. They actually do it. We followed them back to the State Police post, right across the street from where the incident originated, for them to fingerprint the car. Long story short, we believe this guy was caught in the act of stealing the car, and was trying to hide until we got where we were going. J said he looked more afraid than she was. Luckily, J was ok, with only a minor injury to her face, where he hit her with the bag with the crowbar in it. She was very shaken up, however. I would like to extend my thanks to the State Police Troopers who responded and took the prints, and the Trooper at the post who were all very helpful. I know we were probably treated well because we had a DPD sergeant and a state rep-elect on the scene with us, but it was a great effort by the MI State Police. Everyone, especially ladies, check your backseat before getting in your car. It sounds like something out of a movie, but it is always better safe than sorry. This was a freak incident, where he was caught in the act, and was just trying to hide until he could make a get-a-way. Wish we could have caught him though. This fool could have won an Olympic race as fast as he was moving. Just thought I'd share. ALWAYS BE AWARE!!! | ||
Mani Member Username: Mani Post Number: 82 Registered: 07-2006 Posted From: 68.60.182.26 |
Thank for sharing and bringing awareness! Wow. Scary, I hope your friend is ok. | ||
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2 Post Number: 900 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177 |
This is where that "fish gun" would have come in handy! Livedog2 | ||
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289 Post Number: 1208 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223 |
TAZERS FOR EVERYONE! | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 210 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.215.77.47 |
This story sounds phoney.....you mean to tell me she didnt notice glass in the seat from the "broken sunroof" before starting her car? Come to think of it....I got this same story as a chain email some time ago minus all the Detroit references. | ||
Livedog2 Member Username: Livedog2 Post Number: 901 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 24.223.133.177 |
Don't pay any attention to it because it’s either one of the 3% incorrigible, malcontents or one of the 10% followers of the 3% incorrigible, malcontents! Livedog2 | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2835 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 75.0.88.190 |
Mw2gs, you sound phony. Based on your attacks of anyone that criticizes Kilpatrick, it sounds like you don't want any news out there that doesn't portray everything as fine and dandy in Detroit. | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 212 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.215.77.47 |
Thats right MetroD....attack me instead of a story that says someone jumped in their car and drove off without realizing broken glass from the sumroof until they have driven roughly 4 - 5 blocks and onto a freeway. Oh wait.....maybe the supposed theif had a handheld vac in the bag with that crowbar. | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 213 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.215.77.47 |
Thats right MetroD....attack me instead of a story that says someone jumped in their car and drove off without realizing broken glass from the sunroof until they have driven roughly 4 - 5 blocks and onto a freeway. Oh wait.....maybe the supposed theif had a handheld vac in the bag with that crowbar. | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 214 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.215.77.47 |
Or better yet....the sunroof was made of plexiglass and the crowbar was used to pry it off. Yeah thats it? | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2839 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 75.0.88.190 |
That's right Mw2gs, attack the possibility of a crime happening in Detroit. Oh wait, the poster of the story (Ron) is an attorney and was recently a candidate for state representative. Surely he doesn't have any credibility compared to you. | ||
Vandykenjefferson Member Username: Vandykenjefferson Post Number: 21 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.40.195.233 |
I'm sorry, but this story is just too phony. I'm not saying that there is no crime in detroit, but I am saying that this is full of "thats not possible" questions for me. For example: She would of noticed it before climbing into the car, and perhaps lets say she didn't, wouldn't she feel this giant breeze pouring in through the top? Where would this man of hid in the car? And lastly, we don't have state reps elect right now, (I might be wrong, but I thought we only just had primaries...) | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 197 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 68.62.6.138 |
That guy is lucky she wasn't armed...if there were ever a clear cut reason for shooting someone in self defense, I think that's it... | ||
Gumby Member Username: Gumby Post Number: 1341 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.60.143.186 |
Wow it just smacks of this... http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ madmen/backseat.asp | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2840 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 75.0.88.190 |
...Just like all those "urban legends" of car thieves not knowing that there was a child in the car. I think it's safe to say that Vandy didn't vote in the most recent elections and isn't a close follower of the news or politics. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4127 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
Ron, for your sake, and strangely enough, I sure hope actually happened, or you've lost all credibility with me. It's not that I don't believe this could happen, but the link just posted seems to leave more questions than answers with me. (Message edited by lmichigan on August 13, 2006) | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 215 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.215.77.47 |
MetroD....Im attacking the validity of this story. Crime in the city, any major city, is a reality. This one, no matter what city it allegedly occured my friend, is full of shit. Bask in the ambiance!!!!!!!!!! | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 216 Registered: 03-2005 Posted From: 69.215.77.47 |
Also check this statement out. "We are on the exit ramp of the Davison at Woodward, and I see in my rearview mirror that J's car swerves, and I see a struggle in her car. This mothafucka is in her car." Ok....it's 10:15 at night and dark. When I look in my rear view all I can see is the car's headlights. Has anyone ever seen inside of a car thats behind you at night before pulling over? Im curious!!!!! | ||
Super_d Member Username: Super_d Post Number: 965 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.212.51.35 |
R and J should have put A and B together to C what was happening! G What a F' up story! super d(motordetroit) | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2842 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 75.0.88.190 |
That is the absolute worse use of Snopes.com that I have ever seen. Funny that every other time that source has been cited on this forum (including by yours truly on one occasion) the story matched EXACTLY...in this case, it's just a somewhat vague relation to the theme of Ron's account of an incident. And some people are going out of their way to cite a vague relation from Snopes as proof of invalidity! I usually don't agree with Ron, but he does have credibility on this forum (unless proven otherwise), therefore his FIRST HAND ACCOUNT counts a lot more than a vague reference and/or sour grapes "doubts" by some, especially from less than credible forumers. Mw2gs, your examples are as bad as your defenses of Kilpatrick and as bad as your attacks on anyone that criticizes Kilpatrick. Sorry but it's not that hard to see a car swerve in your mirrors (that's what they're there for you know) and it's really not that hard to see into a car that's behind you, even in the mirrors, and even at night. Perhaps you have poor eyesight, among other deficiencies. | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 920 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 69.14.30.175 |
it's possible...especially if you are in an s.u.v., the vehicle behind you is a car, and the vehicle behind them is another s.u.v. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1278 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 75.10.11.106 |
Based on Ron's description of the incident, the snopes.com link, and Ron's previous posts, my guess is that Ron is telling the truth. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 265 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 70.212.31.123 |
I can tell each and every one of you that I was there. You can contact Trooper Jeff Dwyer (sic) at the State Police Detroit Post and act as if you have information about this matter. While he was not the officer in charge, myself and the Detroit police sergeant stood there and spoke to him for over one hour while they were fingerprinting the vehicle. Ask him if he remembers speaking to Ron Liscombe, and two young ladies with names beginning with J and R, and a DPD sergeant about this incident. (I will ask for a waiver of the DPD sergeant, a friend of mine, to post his name). With regards to seeing in the car behind me, if there is a vehicle behind a vehicle behind you with lights on, there is an illumination of what is happening in the vehicle directly behind you, particularly if you are on the exit ramp with cars relatively close together. Regarding J's awareness of what was happening in the vehicle, she had just dropped off her daughter and nieces and nephews from a day long outing, and did not notice the bag in the car on the seat. She thought that it was a bag that they left in the car. Additionally, the moonroof was pried open, there was no glass in the vehicle. She tried to close the moonroof while we were on the Lodge heading to the Davison, which is why she was driving so slowly. It was at this point that she went through the bag and saw that it contained a crowbar. Once she called R in my car and said that there was a bag with a crowbar in it, we said we would pull off at Woodward. He must have heard this, and decided it was time to jet. That is when all this occurred. As I clearly noted, we don't believe this man was in the car to do any nefarious deed other than to take the radio or steal the car, and was just caught in the act. Long story short, I have no reason to post such a far-fetched story like this if it did not occur. My professional reputation is far more important to me than any perceived credibility, or lack thereof, on this forum. I posted the story to warn everyone to be aware of their surroundings, just as I did my mother and sister this morning. If anyone would like to survey the scene of the crime, feel free to contact me via this forum. As everyone is aware, my mother's purse was snatched a few weeks ago, and these incidents are merely indicative of a rise in crimes of this nature at this time. I was also on my way to a bonfirre being attended by a few Wayne County Assistant Prosecutors, and I was with another person politically connected. As I also noted, the state rep-elect for the district where this act culminated also showed up to the scene because we called him as he lived a few blocks away. Believe it or not, I really don't care. As I said, my professional reputation is worth far more than telling far fetched stories such as this. I belive my credibility is well established, and I am not afraid to use my real name.....can many of you say the same thing? | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 266 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 66.174.79.231 |
Also one more point. The other reason that J didn't think anything too strange was because who the hell would believe anything like this? As is apparent, not many people. This is like something out of a movie. All I can tell you is that this actually happened. I can barely believe it, and I was there and it happened to someone I know. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 476 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 69.242.214.135 |
What did Jr. have to say about the incident once he arrived on the scene? And some of you thought that he wouldn't do much because of his inexperience. Jr.'s already scoring points with his constituents. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4128 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 67.177.81.18 |
Thanks for further explaining, Ron. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 267 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 66.174.93.100 |
Sorry, it wasn't Jr. The event culminated in Highland Park, at Davison and Woodward. If any of you know the person who won the primary here Tuesday, ask him if he showed up at the scene. Maybe state rep-elect wasn't the precisely correct terminology. He is the Democratic nominee in an overhwelmingly Democratic district, thus my choice of words. No prob, Lmich. No one wishes more than I that this didn't occur, but unfortunately, it did. (Message edited by Ron on August 14, 2006) | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 270 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 66.174.79.239 |
A little update here. J was called in to the State Police Detroit Post today for a photo line up. Apparently, a young man was caught breaking into cars right around the Post yesterday. Very heartening, and I commend the State Police for their wonderful work and attention. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 278 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 66.174.93.101 |
Another update: Channel 7 just interviewed J and will be airing the story this evening. Watch Channel 7 News. I'm not sure what time, but I believe it will be at 5. The impetus for Channel 7's story was the disbelief many people had at the story. R contacted some people to get the news to cover this event. And I will be accepting apologies (and drinks) from Mw2gs and the rest of the Incredulous Ones this evening at Sweetwater Tavern. Their disbelief at my rendition of this story is certainly far more telling of their tendency for veracity, or lack thereof, while posting on this forum than anything else. Way to impute your personal characteristics on someone else there fellas. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 789 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.73.198.214 |
Is it possible to abhor gun violence and have a .38 caliber revolver at the same time? later - naturalsister | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 518 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.69.106.3 |
"Blame/don't-believe the victim" is fast becoming the Free Space in DYes Bingo. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10505 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 64.118.137.228 |
Sounds like a job for Glock! No need for fingerprinting then. | ||
Morena Member Username: Morena Post Number: 483 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 216.45.2.138 |
I hate the fact that a crime was committed and the victim was hurt. That's flat out wrong! But, why is Channel 7 airing this event? To get the state rep. elect that arrived at the scene when called by friends some airtime? To show how quickly state police responds to 911 calls? To show how outrageous crimes are committed in Detroit with regularity? You reported that police caught the guy so convict him and send him to prison with a long sentence. Channel 7 should send investigative reporters out on the streets to find who killed Raven Jefferies. This is another example of how people with 'connections', as Ron has stated, get treated far better than most Detroiters that go without. | ||
Solarflare Member Username: Solarflare Post Number: 519 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 65.112.56.3 |
Because "There could be some hiding in the back of YOUR car!" gets better ratings. | ||
Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 75 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 68.79.164.148 |
I saw the report. J said she wanted to get the word out to be careful. She had a few signs that something was wrong and ignored them. The sun roof was pried (sp?) up, not shattered, hence the lack of glass. The so-called rep-elect was never mentioned. | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 794 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.73.198.214 |
Here is the Channel & story, and there is video. http://www.wxyz.com/wxyz/nw_lo cal_news/article/0,2132,WXYZ_1 5924_4933588,00.html later - naturalsister | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 2683 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.105.241 |
And Ron, don't forget to order a beer for Metrodetguy, who stuck with you! | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 2886 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.167.211.213 |
This sounds like a variation of Snakes on Airplanes. Ron, I'm happy to hear that it ended up with out serious incident. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 279 Registered: 03-2006 Posted From: 70.212.121.87 |
Gistok, I'll buy Metro two beers myself. I, too, Lowell, am glad it ended without any serious injury. J is still quite shaken up over it, though. I'm sure it will take some time for her to get comfortable with driving alone at night again. It's too bad that people won't take you for your word, especially when I, personally, take my credibility very seriously, particularly in my profession. Nonetheless, there is a lesson to be learned by all in this incident. It could have been far worse. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2900 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.221.36.36 |
Fox2 aired the story last night as well. Like it or not, this was a story worthy of news coverage, and the doubt (and subsequent attacks) by some of this forum only added to the media angle. This story as well as the recent story from Real Detroit about the (relative) popularity of this forum only goes to show that integrity must be maintained on this site. When certain forumers that are less than credible and their bogus claims/stories and/or attacks are posted, they should be called out every time, rather than certain forumers choosing instead to mock someone for bringing the credibility issue up. And thanks for the virtual beers, Cheers! | ||
Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 76 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 68.252.8.170 |
Tell J to replace that car with a domestic. |
