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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 12:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd like to thank the guy in the new black Corvette for dumping the garbage from his car all over my street. Nice example you set for the young child in your car, asshole.

Apparently, you weren't the first one today, just the first one I saw.
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Itsjeff
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I never figured Karl as being a corvette owner.
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Jt1
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I'll be sure to post every event downtown when this happens. Do what I do, pick up the trash when you see it happen. The people that do it are assholes but there is an easy remedy if you are able bodied.

It sucks but it happens here much more than once a year.
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Hysteria
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No - Karl drives an SUV.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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LOL
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Oldredfordette
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Really, jt1? I was just going to leave it there.

You miss the point. I don't litter downtown, I don't litter in my own city and I sure don't litter in cities where I am a visitor. It's just our yearly explosion of assholes with cars. And this guys kid is going to grow up thinking it's perfectly fine to pull off the main drag and down a residential street and shit all over it.
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Jt1
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ORF - I suspect that the vast majority of us don't litter. I agree the guy in the car is a jerk and a bad example.

The sad fact is that some people will liter and we can either try to get them ticketed (doubtful) or pick up after them.

It sucks for the vast majority of us that want our neighborhoods clean. My point was that many of us see this far more often as it happens whenever you have that many people in one area.

I agree with you I just can't be too sympathectic based upon how often I deal with it. Pick it up, move on and hope that the kid turns out better than he/she is being raised.
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Oldredfordette
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One of the problems with living in Royal Oak is the weekend partyers. Sunday mornings in downtown R.O. you are ankle deep in trash. I don't get it.

Dream Cruise day is a very long one for the people on the Corridor.

I march monthly with Women In Black, we go to different neighborhoods to witness for peace. A group of the women always wear rubber gloves and carry plastic bags, part of their thing is to pick up everything they see as they walk. It's pretty cool and I should be more like that than my current method: yelling out my window at assholes who stare blankly and drive away.
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Billybbrew
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Too bad you didn't get a chance to throw the trash back into his car....
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Oldredfordette
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I couldn't get down my stairs fast enough. Trust me, I tried.
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Oldredfordette
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SLOW DOWN ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS!

I've gotta get out of here. Why didn't I book a hotel room in Pinconning?
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Qweek
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I used to live in Northern California where there is a "hefty" fine for littering, it used to be $500 and strictly enforced. I know things are different here but they shouldn't be. It makes me sick when I see people role down their windows and just let their crap fly. Drive down 96,94 or 696 and see garbage everywhere, I'd love it if cops started fining these idiots big time for being such slobs, make it $1000 at least it might make the slobs think twice about littering. One cig butt and the city makes $1000.00 not bad.
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Oldredfordette
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Thank you for your skanky lunch bag on my little wall! Come back later and pee on it, willya?

this is why we need gun control... (cue homer simpson saying "but I'm angry now!)
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Pam
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I thought Karl drove one of those abortion trucks. (Like the guy arrested Super Bowl weekend.)
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Detroitplanner
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Pinconning? A young DetroitPlanner would play on the family farm there as a boy. No one ever lived at the farm, sometimes we could not get to the house as it would be in the middle of Lake Huron when the water levels were high. There is only one motel in Pinconning and it is crappy. Better go up to Standish instead. While you're there, you can have breakfast at the H & H bakery, buy some cheese, go to Deer Acres, a giant strange store that is part odd lots/dollar store/fishing place, and have yourself a double of purtells and think of me and grandpa back in 1972. ; )

I love litterers... they taste good with salt and butter, kind of like corn.
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Mama_jackson
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Too bad Lady Bird Johnson died. She promoted the "DO NOT LITTER" program.

Just the other day, I saw a SUV at the shopping center near my home, and they dumped all of their fast food wrappings and bags in the parking lot. I guess they didn't like the "litter" in their vehicle.

It made me angry too.
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Ventura67
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I thought this post was actually about the real Nightmare Cruise in Ypsilanti's Depot Town today. 10 entrys of the worst cars you've seen legally on the road. Rolling litter in a way!

3rd place was an 80's Jeep Comanchee with the bed nearly rusted away. 2nd was an early 80's Bonneville with an accordianed trunk and 300,000some miles, 1st place was a '34 Hudson with no floors, a six pane window in replacement for the missing rear window and an umbrella over the hole in the roof.

The finishing touch was the car crusher in action with half naked women at the controls. Only in Ypsi!!!
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Ltrain
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is the cruise over so I can come out of my house?
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Cambrian
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Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 11:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I recall working on one of my cars at my uncle's shop when he had it on Elizabeth St. When they opened Comerica park the influx to the quiet area pissed him off. I recall standing out front with him when a benz rolled by, someone flicked a cigarette on to the street infront of us; My uncle picked it up, chased the car down and said "Here, you dropped this" tossing it back in side the open car window. That was way too funny! The ultimate way to deal with littering.
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56packman
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The Karlmobile antiabortion thing was on Wood'ard today. We were out in the '63 Chebby II and like every other year, the street was clogged with late model time-payment suvs, minivans,pickups, and other "non--vintage" vehicles in the "cursing classics" lanes.
I wrote to a freep writer proposing a media blitz to shame all of these barnicles off of the road, at least for Saturday.
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Jltyler
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For almost 4 years I lived at the apartments on 12 and woodward next to the Ihop. You folks think you had Dream Cruise nightmares.

The first year, I used to park out front. On saturday I left out about 10AM and couldnt leave, I was blocked in. No one was willing to move there cars.

If I hadn't have moved this whole week I would've been house hopping to avoid the shit.
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Oldredfordette
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LadyBird is alive.
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Thecarl
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56packman spewlt:


quote:

The Karlmobile antiabortion thing was on Wood'ard today. We were out in the '63 Chebby II and like every other year, the street was clogged with late model time-payment suvs, minivans,pickups, and other "non--vintage" vehicles in the "cursing classics" lanes.
I wrote to a freep writer proposing a media blitz to shame all of these barnicles off of the road, at least for Saturday.




get over it, motorhead. some of us folks who live on woodward and need to get to the riteaid store up the road for some pediacare for our sick infant are less-than-thrilled with your vainglorious state highway blockade. and while it may create a situation in your pants, denizens of the woodward corridor aren't always particularly thrilled with super-loud exhaust, burnouts on bleach with cars out of control, and motorcyclists hitting the throttle too fast and spitting themselves over the curb.

56packman, this is not a complaint about the cruise - it's a complaint about you and your supercilious attitude.

learn to coexist, you whining fussbucket.
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Cambrian
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There are plenty of other rite aids not on Woodward you can go to that would take far less time to get too. Those of us who turn out to see all the beautiful old cars Detroit built, don't want to see you tooling along in your Honda Odessey taking up that valuable space!
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Mthouston
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Ah the Dream Cruise
In case some of you missed it
http://www.360michigan.net
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Aiw
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ORF you posted above:

quote:

One of the problems with living in Royal Oak is the weekend partyers. Sunday mornings in downtown R.O. you are ankle deep in trash. I don't get it.




I understand: One of the problems with living in Windsor is the weekend partyers. Sunday mornings in downtown Windsor you are ankle deep in trash. I don't get it.

While you get 1 weekend a year, I get it 52.
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Supersport
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quote:

I understand: One of the problems with living in Windsor is the weekend partyers. Sunday mornings in downtown Windsor you are ankle deep in trash. I don't get it.

While you get 1 weekend a year, I get it 52.




I understand: One of the problems with living in Detroit is it seems to be the regions dumping grounds for trash. Every morning in Detroit you are ankle deep in trash. I don't get it.

While you get 1 weekend a year, I get 365 days of it.
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Supersport
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quote:

I understand: One of the problems with living in Windsor is the weekend partyers. Sunday mornings in downtown Windsor you are ankle deep in trash. I don't get it.

While you get 1 weekend a year, I get it 52.




I understand: One of the problems with living in Detroit is it seems to be the regions dumping grounds for trash. Every morning in Detroit you are ankle deep in trash. I don't get it.

While you get 1 weekend a year, I get 365 days of it.
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Paulmcall
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Obviously, some people weren't brought up right.
Too bad you can't have someone deliver a smack in the head to the person flinging trash on the ground.
Of course a police officer writing out a ticket could also bring the desired result too.
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Oldredfordette
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Aiw, I was speaking of Sunday mornings in R.O. every week. This weekend happened to be times 1,000,000. At least it's over for another year. Take your old cars and GO HOME.
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Aiw
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lol... Glad you have the same thing to deal with as me. I thought you were getting off lightly. :-)
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Oldredfordette
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At least you get Cuban cigars. We just get Bubba and Lurleen and their chevy.
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Supersport
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Bite my ass! lol
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Oldredfordette
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What was this year's Magic Bag marquee? Last year was Redneck Traffic Jam. Maybe this year could be Inbred Family Reunion.
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East_detroit
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Mthouston,

Your 360s are incredible. How do you do it? I've tried it before and found the biggest problem is splicing the very last pieces because of movement....

However, you also have it all the way down to the pavement beneath you (seemingly) and up to the sky.

Amazing.
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Thnk2mch
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There is nothing like the parade of DETROIT made Chevy, Fords and Mopars running down Woodward. Its only once a year.
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Oldredfordette
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Thank God.
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Supersport
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You people baffle me. You bitch and complain about an inconvenience one week out of the year. Yet all flock to Detroit for sporting events, casinos, and festivals. In turn clogging up traffic and trashing the surrounding area in your wake. Yet here we are, every year listening to bitching and complaining from those dealing with the same shit in THEIR neighborhoods once a year.
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Hornwrecker
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From an image scanned by Kathleen. (I'm not sure of any original colors, so I made some up. If anyone knows what it should be, let me know so I can correct it.)
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Andysrc
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I think the Magic Bag marquee said:

Make Peace, Not Traffic
Support Local Businesses
Not Exxon


It was something like that anyway. It's a nice day, I might take a walk and grab a picture this afternoon.
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Oldredfordette
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I am in Detroit every day, SS. Not to live, but to work and to consume and contribute. You're right, it's terrible the way people come to Detroit and act like it's their own trash bin. See my rant from last year at the tailgaters in Eastern Market on Lions days. You're right. But I am too, and I have the god-given, patriotic right to bitch about the Dream Cruise, an event that only benefits a very few people.
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Oldredfordette
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I'll be down that way in a couple of hours. Couldn't get there yesterday!
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56packman
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Supersport--thank you. You have hit one of my talking points on the Woodward Nightmare Crawl on the head. I personally do not follow, or care for sports of any kind. I don't live or die on last nights scores, whether the local team won or lost. For decades I have had to live and plan my life around Lions football, Tiger Baseball and Red Wing games and have had to make myself aware of when Ford's losers (and the others) are having a home game in order to get to jobs. If you take all of the hours throughout the year that Downtown (and formerly Pontiac,) streets (and the area around the Palace) are equally as clogged due to sporting events loading in and out and add them up, the nightmare crawl is a drop in the bucket. I have learned to be resourceful in my routes, occasionally seek alternate parking because my usual lot has quintupled its rates for a certain six hours because "the Lions are playing".
TheCarl--the people whom I saw on Woodward yesterday weren't trying to get anywhere--I looked at faces, and I think I know what the face of someone desperate to get somewhere looks like. I saw the kind of faces you see at a party--in an ’02 Contour. If you need to get to Rite-Aid, or Walgreen’s they all have stores on every other corner in the metro, and have computer-linked customer databases. All I'm really asking in this is that the lane division between the older cars and regular traffic be observed for Saturday. Were the "official" Dream Cruise ended by some sort of proclamation, I don't think it would completely go away.
By the By--I'm not one of the muscle car loud exhaust-bleach burn out types--I'm more of a boulevard quiet car sort. But the event has ended up primarily about that, and I have my own opinions about such behavior. I guess I'd rather hear a deep, throaty engine rev than an suv full of subwoofers and mega-powered amps going "boom-ba-booom, bu-bu-ba-boom." But that's just me. I shut up and live with it (every day) and realize that's their thing.
The characterization of every car owner couple as "Cletus and Lurleen" is getting pretty tired, and is a generalization you would not accept were it about people who enjoy a certain kind of music, or share a political belief. The DC is a unique event in the world, and draws a lot of people to the area.

(Message edited by 56packman on August 20, 2006)
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Pam
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quote:

The characterization of every car owner couple as "Cletus and Lurleen" is getting pretty tired




Yes. The times I went to the cruise it seemed like a cross section of every type of people. I used to go with some friends that owned a Citroen 2CV. Not exactly a muscle car. :-) (That car got a lot of reaction from the crowd btw. Fun times.)
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Pffft
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"Cletus and Lurleen" can hardly afford a $40,000 plus car.

I'm a little tired of the stereotyping too. Most of the guys out there are either former cruisers or auto engineers with pricey 'Vettes. If I could afford an old 'Vette I'd buy one.

'61 baby blue please. Or the first year or two of the Corvette with the two-tone paint job.
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East_detroit
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Cruise Gratiot!
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Mani
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I went to the dream cruise and it was fun. It is nice to see people gather and celebrate something they love...cars. Cars are fun and I do love to drive. I do think SUV's, Hummers, big manufacturing and agricultural trucks are ridiculous and major contibutors to global warming. We do need to drive more responsibly (in every way that affects us...enviromentally and economically). People acting like idiots and trashing things has nothing to do with the event, that is just people who are ignorant and that happens everywhere. The only way to stop this kind of behavior is to destroy the human race.
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Oldredfordette
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I believe I used "Bubba" not Cletus.
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Jams
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I'm somewhat in the middle of this discussion.

I used to attend the boat races religiously, yet I would return to my home to find cars parked on my lawn.

Did it piss me off? Damn right!!!

Would I want the boat races to no longer allowed because of that? No way!

Understand, those of us that deal with the bullshit of these events have a right to bitch about the assholes that could care less about our neighborhoods.

I have no problem about the massive traffic problems, I do have an issue with those who think our neighborhoods are just trash receptacles.
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56packman
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OR-1.5 million people="a few people"?
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Kathleen
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Thanks, Hornwrecker, for the cleaned up North Woodward Timing Association design. It looks terrific!! I'm not sure of its original colors either. I've seen a couple on cars during the Cruise, both black and white. I hope that Douglasm, who had asked for the decal, will see it and can provide more details on its original colors.

As for the Dream Cruise itself...everyone who knows me knows that I love it!! I love it so much that I take Friday off work so that I can be out and about as the cruising gets started and the exhibits are constructed!! Over the last 10 days or so, I've been out on Woodward, mostly on foot, for some 25-30 hours. It's been a wonderful experience, meeting people from all over, hearing their car stories, admiring the beautiful lines of the cars, the paint jobs, the hood ornaments, etc. And spending money...I try to make sure that I spend some money every time I'm out there...for the local businesses, the local charities, and the entrepreneurs.

Yes, I know that there are some drawbacks. I'm sorry that some of the attendees are morons who litter, but they are a small percentage of those who come to celebrate and to party. And they are found at every large event. Kudos to the municipalities whose workers worked overnight to get Woodward cleaned up; there were only a few remnants of trash remaining when we were back out walking Woodward late this morning.

I'm also sorry that some people have a difficult time getting around on Cruise day and other times leading up to it, but there are alternate routes that can be taken. I myself needed to get across Woodward by car late Friday afternoon, so I planned a route that utilized the breaks in traffic thanks to the signal lights at the mile road, then crossed into the neighborhood and took the back way in to my destination; to return home, I took another similar route. As for being able to get in and out of the area, my mother drove in from Chesterfield and arrived via I-696 and was easily able to access and leave our home in the 13 and Woodward area without a problem.

All in all, I still think that the Dream Cruise is more beneficial to the metro Detroit community at large than not through its economic impact, its visibility, the donations to local charities via the memorabilia sales and charity events, and the camaraderie of the people who attend.
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Oldredfordette
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A few people benefit, not 1.5 million people. The many businesses along Woodward and in R.O. and Ferndale and Berkley and Birmingham who close on the busiest shopping day of the week don't benefit, the workers who don't get paid that day don't benefit.

Look it's over for another year. I'm glad you enjoy it, I don't. My tax dollars go for this silly shit, I reserve the right to bitch at every pinhead garbage dropping public peeing drunk whoo hoo hoo screamer who ends up on my street. To the well-off scumbag in the corvette who dumped his MickyD bag on my street, I say may gas go up to $10 a gallon and may your tiny dick fall off. For everyone else, brush and floss.
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Mani
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Oldredfordette...do you smoke pot or have you had any experience with pharmaceuticals? You don't have to answer my question but I will suggest that you try any of these. They are good for ANGER management.
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Hysteria
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Great post by Kathleen!
:-)
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Andysrc
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The Magic Bag in Ferndale.
magic bag
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Mama_jackson
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Oldredfordette:

I stand corrected, she is 93 years old! Good heavens, no wonder I thought she had passed away....
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Jenniferl
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I rode my bike down Woodward in Ferndale earlier this afternoon. It looked pretty clean. There was almost no traffic-- I crossed the street twice without a light.

For the most part, I like the Dream Cruise. I enjoy looking at the old cars. My only problem is that I can only take about 20 minutes or so on Woodward before the fumes get to me. This year was particularly bad because the weather was so humid and there was no wind.
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Andysrc
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This is the first year I've lived in Ferndale during the Dream Cruise, and traffic was surprisingly light all week. It seems like most of the bad traffic stayed north of 696. Even yesterday it wasn't too bad, but that might have been partially because of the gloomy weather.

Last year when I lived in Royal Oak it was a disaster for the entire week before the Cruise.

I personally hate the Dream Cruise. I find that there's nothing more boring to me than a bunch of cars, and people talking about cars, and people looking at cars. But I try to tell myself that it's only for one week a year and to just shut up and cocoon in my house for the weekend, or get around on foot.
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Ghetto_butterfly
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Oldredfordette, I can feel your pain. I live with the Nightmare Cruise every weekend during the summertime, living on Jefferson. Just one more reason to hate summer is what it is for me.

<-- can't wait for October
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Kathleen
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Hornwrecker,

Reviewed my Cruise photos and found that the North Woodward Timing Association sticker that I photographed shows that the outer ring writing and bars is in red with the cars and US-10 in black or dark blue.
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Pam
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This will make Oldredfordette smile: I saw on the morning news that Royal Oak towed some cruise vehicles yesterday that were parked in a permit only area. (sorry I can't find a link to the story yet)
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Metrodetguy
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Sorry Old Red, contrary to what you claim, a lot of people benefit from the Woodward Dream Cruise. The over one million attendees as well as business owners and their employees (renting lots, restaurants, hotels, memorabilia stores, gas stations, etc.) is a lot more than "a few".

Furthermore, a lot of tax dollars go towards "silly shit" (in the mindset of the beholder)...police/ems at protests, sporting events, parades/fireworks, festivals/fairs, etc.
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Caseyc
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there is a lot of argument on the economic benefit (or loss) of the cruise, but little empirical evidence. Most of the argument is anecdotal (e.g. "it kills my business"). I am sure gas stations do well...t-shirt vendors as well...but do hotels actually do well? Restaurants?? My past experience was that the people that come out for the cruise tend to be bogged down with lots and lots of coolers...
I would be interested to know what the actual economic impact is. Many of those renting lots are often tryingto recoup the lost business, but are not making a profit...

I suspect the only evidence here will be anecdotal but would be interested in the economic impact of the cruise, including lost productivity along the Woodward corridor.
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All the restaurants along Woodward call in all their employees. Como's reported that nobody got the day off, and that Dream Cruise week they make more than any other week in the year.

It was in the paper.
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Caseyc
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I read that about Como's...I'm sure Duggan's would echo the enthusiastic ka-ching....however that's a no-brainer. there are other restaurants on the corridor that have yet to report in.
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Kathleen
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From the Detroit News Sunday Editorial:

"It is estimated that the one-day economic impact of the cruise will top $150 million, with $100 million of that coming from visitors, says Don Tanner, of Marx Layne & Co., who also serves as the cruise's executive director. He's directing the show with a budget of about $500,000."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060818/O PINION01/608180301/1008

The Free Press and News article on the economic impact, good and bad, including some charities that benefit:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20060818/NEW S13/608180338/1019/BUSINESS06

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20060814/A UTO05/608140303/1001/BIZ

The good thing for businesses adversely impacted by the Cruise is that they can plan for it. The company I work for knows before the year begins which days the employees will be off for federal holidays and company days off. So do these businesses along Woodward. So some plan to close for the Saturday, or maybe the Friday and Saturday. Others choose to take a week's vacation at that time and are closed for the week.

As for restaurants, I know that in the Webster to 14 Mile Road stretch, Chicken Shack, Wendy's, McDonald's, Burger King, Avenue Diner, Red Coat Tavern, Duggan's, Cottage Inn Pizza, Buddy's Pizza, Spanky's Deli, Spago Coney Island, and the two ice cream joints near 14 & Woodward all seemed to be doing a brisk business as we went in or walked by. I saw only one Sandwich joint that was open with no customers as we walked by.
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Oldredfordette
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Oh if it was in the paper, it must be true.


*wipes tears of laughter from eyes, continues*

What about Louis Aguilars story?

What about all the stores and businesses in downtown Royal Oak that stayed closed Saturday because there was no point in being open?
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quote:

You're right. But I am too, and I have the god-given, patriotic right to bitch about the Dream Cruise, an event that only benefits a very few people.




No...No you can't. To bitch about something automotive related in this city is outright blasphemy! I ask kindly that you stop immediately.
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Spacemonkey
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Once back when I worked and lived in downtown Detroit, I was walking home from work in my suit while smoking a cigarette. My cig was done and I looked around for a trash can to put the butt. There was no can around. So I tossed the butt in the gutter of the street.

This professional looking middle aged asshole walking the other way had the nerve to say this to me:

"This city isn't your ashtray, kid. These are the streets of Detroit."

I would have been angry and perhaps would have got in his face, but I was laughing too hard as I looked around, and the entire area around me is nothing but boarded up buildings, firebombed cars, and garbage. And this guy is worried about a cig butt?

Plus, I honestly DID look for a proper place to put it. The city didn't offer anywhere. AND, the gutter of the street IS actually made for garbage. That was the original purpose for a gutter.

Sheesh!
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quote:

the gutter of the street IS actually made for garbage. That was the original purpose for a gutter.




That was its purpose when people crapped in pots in the rooms and then dumped it out the their windows. That hasn't been the case in a very long time. The real function is to channel rain water to limit puddles.

Next time, stomp it out and put it in your pocket. Being addicted to nicotine isn't a license to litter.
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Justbeamensch
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The Cruise was a good thing when it started in Ferndale as a charity event, but then the corporate asses got involved.
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Kathleen
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What do you have against the corporate sponsors? Based on what I have read and seen, the auto-related corporate sponsors bring in exhibits that attendees seem to love...you should have seen all the folks crowded around the Camaro Concept car on display in Birmingham!! In past years, the various Batmobiles were on display for people to see and have their photos taken with. All three auto companies bring out special cars and trucks from their collections and display them in a public place where people don't have to pay to see them as they would in a museum. These sponsors also hire local entertainers and bands to perform at the Cruise and at the charity events.

And all of the corporations have something to give away. And those giveaways fly out of the hands of the people manning the booths: Dodge Ram bandanas, tire gauges, keychains, fans, tshirts, hats, brochures, stickers, etc. People are walking down the street with bags stuffed full of freebies...just like at the auto shows.

Without the corporate sponsors, some of the cities involved would be hard pressed to cover all their expenses (witness the bind that Berkley was put in when Ford no longer exhibited their Mustang Alley on Woodward near 12 Mile).
Several of the big charity events are also sponsored by the corporations; these events raise money for local charities. And a few businesses, like the Athens Diner on Woodward, are able to make some big bucks that day, renting out their parking lot to GM. Little business makes some $$$$ and has some fun along the way.

So I have no problem with the presence of the big Three and other auto-related companies...or any other company that brings money to the community and raises money for charities. Yes, they get publicity from it. But why not?
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Birmingham was a lot deader because there wasn't as much Ford-sponsored stuff there. There was some stuff. They paid for the bands in Shain Park, etc.

I didn't see Toyota or Honda ponying up for anything, by the way. Of course now that the automakers are doing badly, there are fewer events at the Cruise they put on.
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Gannon
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I was a fuss-budget anti-DC'er until I attended my first one back in '98...and simply had a blast celebrating one of the things that made this city famous...and great.

I sat at the Royal Oak Ford dealership with my neighbor who had a very rare old Mustang prototype that actually had a hard-top convertible that retracted into a reverse-hinged trunk...only seventeen were made before Ford realized they'd have to sell them for more than a Cadillac to make any money on 'em!

At one point, I realized that IF you imagined ANY vehicle, doesn't matter what, then told the person immediately next to you that you thought of it...within 30 minutes one would drive by.


Of course, my first test of the theory was to summon up an AMC Pacer...and wouldn't you know it, a banana-yellow one drove by twenty minutes later.


We laughed SO hard that day I can still feel it, and it's been almost ten years.



Last one I went to was in 1999, though, my friend lived a few blocks east of Woodward so we could walk to it. I decided to drive my bike...went past a household full of partiers...and one asshole threw his SHOE at me when I passed.

I turned around, just to see what his deal was...why he felt so moved to attack me.

Turned out to be some kid who got his first job out of college with Ford in their PR department, and apparently his focus was the SVT division...so he thought he was a bad-ass. Had his sitting in the driveway and all.


Then I told him I bought the first red one sold down in Taylor, had over thirty thousand miles on it...with at least a few hundred driven AT ITS TOP SPEED of 145 mph. Plus, I detailed everything the decontenters had eliminated in the 99 version, and told him that it was now such a cheaply done car that I wouldn't buy another. It just wasn't the same thing ONE YEAR LATER!!


But then I told him I was getting rid of it, because it was turning me into an asshole bully...you know, like he was with me.


He understood, shut up, said he was sorry (probably so I would give him his shoe back) and walked away with his tail tucked.


Youth...too bad some don't ever leave it.
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Justbeamensch
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Thank you Jeremy Haberman for the Magic Bag Cruise sentiments. You are right on the money.

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