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Toriani
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 2:38 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A young man, as least it appears so from my window, was shot this evening behind the State Theater at about 2:18 am. It took the cops, in an area that usually is cop-filled, about 8 minutes to respond. The cops put the man in their car and took him the hospital because an ambulance seemed to take forever to arrive. I hope he's okay, but it didn't look good.
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Thecarl
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 3:08 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Thecarl
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 3:17 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

you said you saw a young man get shot (?), outside your window, at 2:18.

you watched out the window, and after eight minutes, some cops showed up. that would be 2:26.

the cops put the man in the car because it seemed to take the ambulance forever to arrive, although you posted this at 2:38 detroityes time, which is actually 2:34 real-world time. that would mean the cops were only on-scene for eight minutes before they determined it was taking "forever" for an ambulance to appear - but strangely, eight minutes is the same time it took the cops to appear. forever.

by the way, sweetcheeks...what were you doing in those eight impatient minutes you spent waiting for the law to arrive? cleaning the fingerprints off your shiny new revolver?
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Toriani
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You assume that I saw the man get shot. I did not say that. The shots woke me up.

You assume that I posted this to forum as the man was being driven to the hospital or that my posting was time-relevant. That's not the case, so your timing is wrong. But to me, 8 minutes is a long time when a man is bleeding on the street. To me, it seemed like forever. Once the cops arrived, they didn't wait on the ambulance. They put the man in their car and drove away. Their reasons for doing so? I can only assume were because an ambulance had not yet arrived.

Although I sense your sarcasm, I won't reply in same. In the 8 minutes before the police arrived, I called 911. Now I'm trying to sleep, but I'm not so desensitized to violence as to be able to just put this out of my mind.
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Pam
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 8:39 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Channel 2 just reported victim was DOA at the hospital. Supposedly someone fired into the crowd and the guy was an innocent bystander.
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Supersport
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:09 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is why I hate dance clubs in the city. Shut them all down for all I care, as I can just about guarantee this was the outcome of some shit talking at "Altered State," where upon somebody went to the car after they left to get their gun to settle their dispute.

You wanna remain safe while downtown Detroit? Stay the fuck away form dance clubs at 2 am and you'll be fine.
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Paulmcall
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another great story for Detroit.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:27 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How sad. I was at Cliff Bells last night after the ballgame and it seemed such a lovely night to be in Detroit. I guess we were a half hour and 2 blocks away from bad trouble.
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Wmuchris
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I heard that shot. Woke me out of a dead sleep. I knew that it was a gunshot, but I tried to convince myself that it was just a dumpster slamming shut.

Sad.

Altered State must be shut down.
Wanna make a difference in Detroit? How about everyone begging Rock Financial to come downtown, direct that effort toward shutting down these dangerous parties.

Start Writing letters.
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Redetroit
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Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That Altered State crap needs to be shut down. It gets worse every weekend. I saw a few fights almost break out last night while driving by.
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Jams
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That shit has been going on since the State reopened 20 years ago.
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Royce
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I feel sad for the family and friends of the victim who died. However, I believe that you're always going to have incidents like this when you're dealing with the young twenty-something crowd. Like Jams said, this stuff has been going on at the State for twenty years. Granted, someone isn't shot and killed every weekend but altercations are going to occur.

Remember that the revival of downtown Detroit is going to attract more and more people, including the "undesirables." This incident attracted one of those kinds of people. However, I have seen hundreds of young folks stand in long lines to get into the State theater and I have not seen any problems. Therefore, IMO the crys to close down Altered States is a bit premature.
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Gannon
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There was probably not much undesirable about this fellow BEFORE he drew his weapon...far as much of general caveman society considers it, things seem.


Maybe if they need an outlet for their energy, just short of an outright murder...instead of kicking the troublemakers out of a club, where they can get a weapon and cause great destruction...instead they get tagged by the bouncers and taken to tiny detention rooms with little oxygen until they can get into one of three or four after-hours fenced-in boxing rings...and they can gladiator their way to win the woman or whatever the fight was about.


Time to bring back public duels without the lethality, seems we need an outlet...



...let the games begin.
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Ray
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Gosh, I had just left the area shortly before this happened. Downtown seemed so nice last night.

The violence in Detroit is breathtaking. I would expect something like this to happen once every five years not once every five weeks, which it seems like is how frequently someone gets shot downtwon. What's even more astounding is the tendency to rationalize this. Life in the big city. Whatever. It's totally off the charts.
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Ghetto_butterfly
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That's what you get in a country with such lax gun laws, where everybody justifies owning a gun with "But it's our constitutional right".

Facts: Japan's gun deaths was 39 in 2001(provided by the National Police Agency of Japan), Germany: 381 gun deaths (from Bundeskriminalamt - German FBI), Canada: 165 gun deaths (from Statistics Canada, the governmental statistics agency), United Kingdom: 68 gun deaths, (from the Centre for Crime and Justice studies in Britain), Australia: 65 gun deaths (from the Australian Institute of Criminology), France: 255 gun deaths, (from the International Journal of Epidemiology) The U.S.: 11,127 gun deaths (from a report from the Center for Disease Control).

From "Bowling for Columbine"

These statistics should tell all of those gun-worshipping Americans something. Outlaw guns, it won't solve the problems, not overnight at least, but it's a start.
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Milwaukee
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If you outlaw guns that does not meen that the industry will shut down. Guns will just go on to the black market and there will be even less regulation. The only difference between now and if guns were outlawed would be that we wouldn't have the names of new gunowners.
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Rocket_city
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I agree with Supersport. There's a certain populus that think they "own" this city and can behave however they want. So, someone snatched this guy's designer sunglasses. Let's go whip out our gun and show the crowd who's boss. Cartier sunglasses...hand gun...something doesn't add up. They probably weren't rightfully his in the first place.

On behalf of the family who's loved one was murdered in cold blood last night, let it be known that thug trash is no longer welcomed in this city. It never was.
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Warriorfan
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Hmm, last time I checked, murder was also illegal and yet having a law against it didn't stop this man from taking another human life. Could it be that criminals don't follow the law, including gun laws? I'm willing to bet that this individual also did not have a CCW, and therefore should not have had a gun in his car or whatever, and yet he did it anyways? Why is this? If there is a law against it, then the criminals should obey it, right? And I wonder if the handgun used in the murder was legally registered with the police department as required by Michigan state law? Something tells me not, you see for gun laws to work, people have to OBEY them. Criminals for some strange reason choose not to, and yet people seem to think that more gun laws will somehow make a difference.

And of course we all can cherry pick some statistics to prove our point, like the fact that handgun murders in Great Britain rose 40% in the two years after they BANNED HANDGUNS, or that Great Britain has more homicides today than they did prior to banning guns. I guess the criminals in the UK didn't get the memo that they weren't allowed to own such weapons.

(Message edited by warriorfan on August 20, 2006)
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Milwaukee
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You can ban and confiscate guns but people will just find different ways to kill people. You can't ban hatred or evil.
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Eric
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quote:

The violence in Detroit is breathtaking. I would expect something like this to happen once every five years not once every five weeks, which it seems like is how frequently someone gets shot downtwon. What's even more astounding is the tendency to rationalize this. Life in the big city. Whatever. It's totally off the charts




Crime downtown is anything, but off the charts. I wish the whole city could have downtown's crime stats. And to the think something only happens every five years in any large downtown is just wholly unrealistic.

There is no doubt that this is a tragedy. But just the fact that this was even brought up highlights just how uncommon this is downtown. Stuff like this happens way more in the neighborhoods, but you never see a thread about every story of a shooting in a non downtown bar/club.
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Wmuchris
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Milwaukee,

How many drive by stabbings do you hear of?
How many people randomly throw chineese stars into crowds and kill people?

Guns make it way too easy for us to kill each other.
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Milwaukee
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You may see a decrese in murders once the cash straped police in Detroit confiscate every gun in the city close all gun stores, and block all people who are bringing guns into the city. Once that happens then Detroit will see a decrese in gun murders, but not stabbings, beatings, or stranglings
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Superduperman
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Criminals don't buy their guns from gun shops,besides how many gun shops are even here,not many. Crime happens everywhere,thats a fact,I don't see any of you all up in arms when people get stabbed over at Vicente's,which has happened more than a few times in the last 3 months.
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Warriorfan
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When the UK banned handguns, knife crime went through the roof. So what did the UK do, they started banning certain kinds of knives. In five years, they will be banning Louisville sluggers after people switch to those.

It's funny how people think that banning guns will somehow take away murderous intent. What comes first, the drive-by shooting or the desire by some thug to commit a drive-by shooting? And if guns were banned tomorrow, will these street thugs turn in their AK-47s and Glocks that they aren't even legally allowed to have in the first place? The criminals in the UK didn't turn in their guns in 1997, only the law abiding citizens did.
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Philbert
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The UK had 765 murders last year for 60 million people. London is in the UK and is a major densley packed old city of 8 million in the UK about the same size as NYC.

Two Detroits - 1.8 million people or two Chicago's - 6 million people had the same number of murders as the whole UK of 60 million people.

About the UK crime increase, there isn't one. Last year the UK had a 12% decrease, that includes the 52 killed in the terrorist attack on its subway, in murders from the previous year. Gun violance remained statistically the same from the previous year.

Since 1995 violant crime in the UK has fallen 43%.

So while there may have been a 40% increase in gun related deaths since the time of the hand gun ban.

A 40% increase to 68 a year, vs. our 11,000, is really nothing. For example it is easy to double the number one thus giving an impressive 100% increase but in reality it is still an increase of only one. We are 6 times the size of the UK, 6 times 68 gun deaths is 408 not 11,000.
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Ghetto_butterfly
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Thank you, Philbert.

Warriorfan, and others defending your "right" to bear guns: it's not only the criminal who plans on commiting a crime with the help of a gun, it's also all the other incidents that involve guns and lead to tragic deaths like the moron with a hot temper who happens to own (legally) a gun and can't control his anger, the drive-by shootings (something unheard of in Europe), the "accidental" shooting of a person stumbling onto someone's front yard because he might have been an intruder, the accidental shooting of kids because they accidentally stumble onto a loaded gun, the angry husband gun-owner who just couldn't control his temper when his wife forgot to buy his favorite beer, and the list goes on. Notice how many times I used the word "accidental"? People just don't seem to be able to handle the responsibility that comes with owning and handling a gun, so you have to take it away from them.

America - the land of the UN-free - where everything is illegal, except guns.
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Warriorfan
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Philbert: You neglect to mention that Great Britain had an extremely low homicide rate even well before they banned guns. Even when they had relatively lax gun laws, their murder rate remained well below today's UK homicide rates. The yearly homicide rate in the UK was always below 700 all throughout the 60's, 70's and early 80's when guns were still legal and readily available to the population. Today, after banning guns, their homicide rates regularly exceed 700 murders each year. Please explain this phenomenon. So to compare the UK homicide rate to ours is total misleading bullshit that proves absolutely nothing about gun control.

Ghettobutterfly: 4X as many children drown in backyard swimming pools each year than die from guns they find in the house. I guess we should ban backyard pools since people just don't seem to be able to handle the responsibility that comes with owning them. And it's funny that the two safest states in the Union are also two of the most gun-friendly (North Dakota and Vermont). Meanwhile, the city with the MOST murders in America, Washington DC, has had a total handgun ban in place for the past 30 years. Please explain this.
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Vas
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Does anyone have a link to the incident?
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Philbert
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I did explain the phenomenon. The numbers are so low that any increase will appear as a big percentage.

you said:
"Today, after banning guns, their homicide rates regularly exceed 700 murders each year."

The year the UK banned all guns they had 738 murders, the law was passed in the end of November 1997. Last year they had 765 murders. The UK has grown by 2.5 million people since the end of 1997 when that law was passed and has 27 more murders last year than 1997. But the real statistic is that 52 people were counted as murders from the terrorist bombing last year. Without that 52 with a population increase of 2.5 million the UK would have less murders.

The UK had relatively lax gun laws compared to themselves, the UK, and certainly not the US.

765 murders last year for a country of 60 million people. Detroit and Chicago population put together is about 3.6 million people. But these two cities had more murders than the UK of 60 million. Remember the very city of London alone, in the UK, is over twice the of Chicago and Detroit put together.

11,000 murders by guns in the US last year and only 68 in the UK.
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Jerome81
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Who cares about the UK?

Somebody is dead who doesn't deserve to be.

I'm surprised I haven't yet heard the "his mouth wrote a check his body couldn't cash".

Bottom line, this shit is scary. Nobody deserves this. Nobody deserves to wake up to this. Nobody should have to put up with it.
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Tndetroiter
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A gun is a tool, nothing more. The trigger doesn't pull itself.
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K_solomon
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http://www.detroitnews.com/app s/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200608 21/METRO01/608210356/1006

His sister reports it took police 20 minutes to respond.
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Danny
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It's amazing that we can solve our problems with a bullet rather than talk it out. As the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS continues more people in the America will be killed by firearms.

Welcome to Detroit where murder is the LAW!!
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Thnk2mch
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quote:

A 20-year-old college student was shot and killed early Sunday outside the State Theatre after a man fired a gun randomly into a crowd because he said someone stole his Cartier sunglasses.




AT 2:15 A.M.!
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Goat
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That's the new "cool" look. Didn't Cory Hart sing that lame song about 20 years ago "I wear my sunglasses at night"?

Increased violence is a by product of increased human activity. As Detroit's downtown continues to increase in the number of bars it has, so will the violence. Just look at Windsor on a typical weekend. It is anarchy at times. And the only way to stop it is by an increased police force. Something Detroit CC & mayor have not addressed.

On a side note, wouldn't this be considered a "random" shooting?
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Solarflare
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I say we go back to pointing the finger at the person who started this thread, that was more entertaining.
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Rocket_city
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quote:
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AT 2:15 A.M.!
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He wanted to show off the sunglasses and how rich he is after he stole them. The point was not wear them. He probably wanted them to get snatched so that he'd have an excuse to whip out his glock and represent Joy Road.

quote:
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On a side note, wouldn't this be considered a "random" shooting?
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Perhaps, but it was random against the public, not domesticated, like they typically are in the "mutha f'in hood, G". Not that it makes it any less devastating.

Oh and if anyone knows who did it, "DON'T SNITCH"!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'

(Message edited by rocket city on August 21, 2006)
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Jerome81
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http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/9711137/detail.html

Sick.

And how come these guys seem to NEVER get caught?!
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Warriorfan
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^^^^^^^^

Because "no one sees anything" in Detroit. Even though there was a huge crowd, somehow no one will have actually seen the shooter, or at least that's what they will tell police. You can't solve murders when the citizens won't cooperate, either out of fear of the killer or because they are protecting the killer or simply because they have no desire to help the police do anything.
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Spacemonkey
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That's sad.
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Atl_runner
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quote:

a man fired a gun randomly into a crowd because he said someone stole his Cartier sunglasses.




I swear this has happend before in Detroit. I mean the whole Cartier sunglasses murder thing.
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Royce
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These things always happen in Detroit when some fashion item, which is ridiculously expense, becomes the "must have" item among the materialistic folks. A young man from Detroit was killed at a Southfield party store along Evergreen a few years back for his Cartier glasses. The couple charged with the crime followed him and waited for him as he came out of the store.

This story will repeat itself when folks starting killing each other over 14 caret gold pacifiers or some other useless fashion item.
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Pffft
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These Cartier sunglasses have been the bomb for some time now. What's so great about them?
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Wmuchris
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA PI.dll?ViewItem&item=820806591 7&category=79746
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Royce
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They're Cartier and their super expensive. The followers of the "bling" truly must feel that they have to have these sunglasses in order to be "real" with the "bling."

At $1339.00 I've just paid for a college class or two. Damn! If only I had sacrificed getting a bachelor's degree or working on a master's degree, then I could have about 70 of those glasses. What was I thinking?
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quote:

I swear this has happend before in Detroit. I mean the whole Cartier sunglasses murder thing.




I am pretty sure that was the initial report from the fireworks shooting from a few years ago, though can't recall if it was confirmed or not. Personally, I think people who wear these sunglasses are probably about all packing heat. They only wear the sunglasses as a trap, a reason to shoot at people when they take them.
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Detroitteacher
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Some of my students have expensive glasses such as Cartier. There are fights all the time because of eyewear. I just don't get it. MINE cost 54 bucks total. I think I paid 14 for the frames after insurance kicked in. Getting pummeled or shot at because of something I wear on my face isn't an option.

My question is...why was the dude wearing sunglasses at 2 am??
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Ed_golick
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I wear my sunglasses at night
So I can so I can
Watch you weave then breathe your story lines
And I wear my sunglasses at night
So I can so I can
Keep track of the visions in my eyes

Corey Hart
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Solarflare
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quote:

What's so great about them?




My guess is that they are prominently displayed in the style and videos of a certain type of music.

Maybe the school dress code is a good idea.
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Detroitteacher
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Well, true. BUT...I meant in all reality is there a specific greatness? Are they more comfortable? Do they magically make one's vision more clear than non-celeb glasses? Do they have special powers? Spending that much on eyewear is just ludicrous, IMO. Someone else said, that amount of money is college tuition!

I don't think the dress code made mention of eyewear. DPS can't really tell the kids they can't wear a specific brand of eyewear.
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Goat
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Sport, you must wear sunglasses at night as well.

LMAO!!
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Superduperman
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no...rappers do not wear them anymore and when they did not many rappers wore them,they are more or less a status symbol,young kids wear them to say "Hey look at me,look what I'm wearing,you know how much they cost,I'm the Shit"
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Gistok
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A few years ago a Southfield 14 year old saved up his money and bought a pair. His mother said it was OK to spend the money for such lavish excess.

Well he's dead now cuz he refused to give them up when he was held up.... His mother has to live with her decision for the rest of her life...
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Detroitteacher
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I still don't get why people spend a mortgage payment on something you wear on your face. If they were like Inspector Gadget glasses or something, maybe. I really don't get how parents can put their kids at risk (because we all know the risks involved in wearing such expensive items) by allowing them to own these things. Same with shoes...300 bucks for something you might step in dog poop with? C'mon. Priorities are a bit messed up. How about BOOKS for the kids instead of glasses that are needlessly expensive?
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Royce
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I think the craze with wearing expensive fashion items probably began with Calvin Klein jeans in the late 70s or early 80s, which we made famous by thoses Brooke Shields' commericials in which she exclaimed, "Nothing comes between me and my Calvin's."

Around the mid 80s it was the Max Julian coats. Later it was the Michael Jordan gym shoes, and etc.... Some of you probably can remember some of the other items. I can't keep up anymore.
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Toolbox
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8Ball
Triple Fat
Suzuki Samurai
Used

All were favored in the drug trade. It was like the wild west during the early YBI and Best Friends days. Relatives were EMT's, cops, and other medical personel during those times.
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Ron
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This country was "founded" because we had guns and the Native Americans didn't. The US will never get rid of gun violence. It is as much an American phenomenon as apple pie.
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J_stone
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To quote the Detroit News - "had gone to the popular downtown nightspot Saturday night for a party featuring hip-hop and rap music"

enough said
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Super_d
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The 'punks' that should share some of the blame for these types of crimes should be the greedy-ass 'amerikkkana kapitalistic korperate' market institutions!

These 'punks' seductively take direct advantage of a particular group of people. A people that (not by choice) have become psychologically captive to historical amnesia, materialistic compulsiveness, and personal adaptation for acceptance at any and every cost into the 'amerikkkana' perception of legitimacy__unfortunately this mentality gives forth to some of the madness and overall genocide we are witnessing!

I guess this goes back to 1492 when...well you know the story!__go figure!

super d(motordetroit)
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Heywood_mccrakin
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Super_dork wrot...."The 'punks' that should share some of the blame for these types of crimes should be the greedy-ass 'amerikkkana kapitalistic korperate' market institutions!"

SD,

just wanted to let you know that nobody ever put a gun to your head, or anyone elses head to buy (or steal) all that stuff. If you believe in your heart that it is the greedy corporations, then you must be the silliest mf, this side of Stuper-sport.

Psychologically captive? do you really believe this crap?

No wonder they laugh at your ass on HFD.
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Wmuchris
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Yeah superD it is Y-T's fault that kid got killed.

Shut the FUCK up you fucking Imbicile.
It is a wonder that you are still here.
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Nuclearxwinter
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First of all, to say that a great place like Altered State should be shut down because of an ignorant fools need to shoot someone over a pair of sunglasses is ridiculous. This could have happened to anyone at any place with these sunglasses because too many people in Detroit are obsessed with material possesions. It isn't just a Detroit thing, but I have noticed while living there that people were a little more concerned with how much their clothes cost than in other places I have been. It could have happened at any club in downtown detroit or any restaurant,bar,festival,or grocery store because people are stupid. Don't put blame on a place that is doing more to help out downtown detroit than most places ever will. Detroit needs places that attract people so that it can grow. What it doesnt need is it's lack of police presence. Maybe if these people would actually get caught once in a while they wouldn't feel so comfortable with committing senseless acts of violence over monetary things.

It is the value that America places on stupid things that just don't matter. That is why violent crime is so high here and lower in other places.
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Merchantgander
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Altered State had nothing to do with this incident. He was at a concert and the concert had nothing to do with the incident. There are too many fucked up people in this city that believe everything should be settled by firing off a gun.
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Cambrian
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I quit going to the State because there was too many fights. I can't say why that one night spot will have more aggression and violence then another will. We can't really even say it's the nature of the Rap music itself. The Token lounge in Westland was notorious for shootings for awhile too. That's all I know, if I go somewhere and the crowd is angry and indifferent, I'm outta there.
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Livedog2
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Can't we all just get along?

Livedog2
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Rjlj
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super_d,
you state that the people at blame are the "'amerikkkana kapitalistic korperate' market institutions!" when in fact Cartier is French. It is called free will, no one put the gun in this coward's hand except the person alone. Typical, it ain't my fault mentality, blame it on someone else.
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Goat
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Rjlj, don't worry about "Super" D, he is just a white boy who doesn't really know where he belongs.
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Super_d
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Don't let me have to call 'Ras' to open up another can of 'WHOOP ASS' on 'y-t', to explain the whole phenomenon of 'the Gun' and what it means to the survival of 'white supremacy' not just in 'amerikkka', but in 'amerikkka' and abroad!

I believe it has something to do with the short comings of the white male reproductive system_oops!(dare I say that) maybe I should say 'genetic vulnerablility' as it relates to people of color world wide!__but I ain't 'fix'n to' hit ya' wit' that.

Unfortunately society reflects the dominate thrust,('western civilization/white supremacy')__ so we should understand that every circle of life within this structure is organized to reserve this system__and 'the Gun' is the critical survival tool within this system to preserve white male reproduction, control and domination.

'right to bear arms',(hummm) ain't that guaranteed in the KKKonstitution!__go figure!


super d(motordetroit)
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Solarflare
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Comedy Gold.
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Paulmcall
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Someone hasn't taken his meds today.
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Southofeight
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The biggger issue is that Cartier is some dumb-looking shit on your face anyway. I've seen people wearing these, they're worse than the even-dumber huge, oversized alien-eyes looking shades you see these dopes wearing. Rap videos, dance videos, fucking lame magazines, of course these empty-headed dolts use them as their source of how to look, dress, and accessorize. Right down to the Tech9. Weak shit.
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Superduperman
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Tech9's are so 80's they carry 9mm and 45's now with an occasional Desert Eagle.
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Heywood_mccrakin
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i cant decide whether Super_d and Danny are Morons or lunatics.

Can someone please help me out on this one?

Thanks.
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Pam
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quote:

i cant decide whether Super_d and Danny are Morons or lunatics.

Can someone please help me out on this one?




Both?
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Warriorfan
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quote:

i cant decide whether Super_d and Danny are Morons or lunatics.

Can someone please help me out on this one?

Thanks.





What I can't understand is why Super_D and Danny are allowed to spout their racism and bigotry without even so much as a warning from Lowell. Or why the majority of board members seem to casually accept this type of ignorance and hate being spewed on what is supposed to be a forum free of "hate group messages" according to the Conditions of Participation.

I'm willing to bet that if a white suburbanite from Oakland County came on here and used the N-word in a hateful fashion, this place would absolutely explode. But "y-t," "Gaydale," "Hitlerland," justifying the murder of a woman based on her skin color, etc all seem acceptable, at least to Lowell and the majority of forum members.
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Southwestmap
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I have always read Danny's posts as irony and satire. I think they are sometimes brilliant.
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Merchantgander
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If you ask me what Super_d is really saying in his ramblings is, that he is really pissed off because he cannot find enough large white cock. Super_d maybe you should move to Gaydale or Homo Oak if you need more white cock. Who would have ever thought that Super_d was a gay black guy with cracker fever?
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Jt1
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I take it Big Tone doesn't sell large white cock?
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Solarflare
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quote:

What I can't understand is why Super_D and Danny are allowed to spout their racism and bigotry without even so much as a warning from Lowell. Or why the majority of board members seem to casually accept this type of ignorance and hate...




You shoulda been around when Rasputin posted regularly. Rasputin makes Super_D look like Bryant Gumble. And as for the rest of the board members, well, this conversation has been had scores of times, they've acquiesced after Lowell has stepped down from high-up and made clear there's a pass for that.
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Warriorfan
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quote:

You shoulda been around when Rasputin posted regularly. Rasputin makes Super_D look like Bryant Gumble. And as for the rest of the board members, well, this conversation has been had scores of times, they've acquiesced after Lowell has stepped down from high-up and made clear there's a pass for that.




So basically Lowell protects a core group of pet posters, even if they spew racism, homophobic slurs, and general hatred and bigotry. That's the impression I get, that there is a select group of forumers who are immune to the rules of this forum because they have been around a long time or they have ingratiated themselves to Lowell or whatever the case may be.

And I'm familiar with Rasputin's racist ramblings, but I don't think even Ras is crazy enough to equate black-on-black violence in Detroit to the penis size of white people, or derogatorily refer to our northern neighbor as "Gaycanada" like Danny once did. Rasputin's posts may be full of hate, but at least they are coherent.
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Solarflare
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You've missed some of Rasputin's greatest hits, where he said he supported al-queda, is training a group of black youths with the M1 Garand in some kind of quasi-urban-CMP, advocates tax-evasion, etc etc etc.

I wouldn't say "Lowell protects a core group of pet posters" but he has reasons he lets go what goes, I'd ask him, he'll tell ya.

(Message edited by solarflare on August 24, 2006)
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Kova
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In defense of Danny, while sometimes his comments are truly absurd, some of his posts display a certain genius in terms of understanding the complexities of an issue.
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Gistok
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Danny is our "Sevant"... brilliant in some regards.... but like "Rain Man" in others...

Although Ras does indeed spout a lot of hateful things, he seems to have done some recent homework on logic, the "Ad Hominem" fallacy in particular, and read up on the other 40 Logic Fallacies. So his attacks aren't as personal of late.

Super_d.... well let's just say P.T. Barnum was right!
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Solarflare
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I'd say Danny is closer to a Forrest Gump than a Rain Man.
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Heywood_mccrakin
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i'd say danny is a dee dee dee
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Cambrian
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I gotta say the people that post those outrageous comments definitely play to a packed house. More attention is given someone that spews forth nonsense rather then someone who has something intelligent to say. This forum looks more like "Jerry Springer" then it does "World News Tonight" Just a personal observation.
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Merchantgander
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Thank you captain obvious

(Message edited by Merchantgander on August 24, 2006)
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Sharmaal
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Captain Obvious - Not bad. But I prefer MOTO!

Master
Of
The
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Cambrian
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No, thank you Seargant Snyde and Corporal Comeback!
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Merchantgander
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Don't be upset Cambrain please share some more of your observation with the forum. Maybe that grass is green and cars without wheels can be a bumpy ride.
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Cambrian
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Naw it's cool! I guess given the choice everyone wants cheetohs more than a chef's salad.
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Warriorfan
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quote:

More attention is given someone that spews forth nonsense rather then someone who has something intelligent to say.




That should be the official motto of DetroitYES.
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Super_d
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Don't ya' love the blatant arrogance and hubris of basic 'y-t'!__ when basic 'y-t' has no other recourse or intellectual debate to express or counter, 'they' quickly revert to contemptuous insults.__go figure!

Anyhow, back to the topic at hand__The brilliant lyricist, producer, CEO, 'Master P' once profoundly flowed...

'WE DON'T OWN NO' PLANE, NO' BOAT, WE DON'T SHIP NO DOPE AND GUNS FROM COAST TO COAST...

right? What does it mean?

The origins of the problem do not reside in the community in which they are manifest!

I'll let you meditate on that for a second...

..................
..................
..................
..................

dig it!

The origins of the problem do not reside in the community in which they are manifest!



We have to look beyond the 'hood'!__The 'hood' is just the site of its distribution, the final ripening of the seed, its maturation, its spread.

Where does it begin?

That's the question! bust that!

super d(motordetroit)
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Focusonthed
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I'm sorry, you can't take yourself seriously in an intellectual conversation when you begin it by quoting Master P, can you?

UUHHHHHHH, na-na na-na

(Message edited by focusonthed on August 26, 2006)
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Gannon
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quote:

I'm sorry, you can't take yourself seriously in an intellectual conversation when you begin it by quoting Master P, can you?






Ignore it at your peril...better to wade through the perceived insults and/or offenses and try to understand his premise.


<<< waiting sadly for cheap heroin to flood our shores from the Afghanistan poppy bumper crop ALLOWED to re-establish itself after OUR de-throning the 'evil' Taliban...who had all but eradicated the plant under their rule.

We did 'just enough' there on our quest for bin Laden to CAUSE the instability that will restart this gray market...who is the end beneficiary, the main profiteer?

Like ol' Rushbo says, follow the money. Who derives the largest benefit?!

Will we find out in twenty years of a CIA connection? There is ample proof that they've been using creative funding...so MORE of the dark-ops unethical stuff that congress has been trying to reign in with spending cuts since Carter was in charge could continue unabated.


H-M-M-M-m-m-n-n-n, when DID that big heroin craze hit the inner-cities? French Connection stuff...BEFORE our CIA and Military Special Ops reportedly won the battle against the French Clandestine services?


One of the side-effects of hard drugs, intended or not, is a stoned and pacified sub-populace of outlaws INCREASINGLY locked into a life of crime to sustain their habits...as long as the flow of drugs continues.

We're poised to see the remake of that 'movie', only this time it'll be called the Afghanistan Connection.


Super_d's equation here is valid, even IF he will not or cannot voice it in pretty whitebread terminology.
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Janesback
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one simple question for the last 2 posts.

Did they same people who "chose" to participate, have a gun held to their head when they made that decision. Its a simple question, yes or no? Thanks, Jane..
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Angry_dad
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Has the garbage that did the shooting been caught yet? What about the person responsible for the 7 / 11 shooting or the Superbowl murder?

It may be an assumption but there are people in the area that know who and where the responsible shooters are. It sucks that some feel that hiding scum like this is justified.
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Shave
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Super_d is at it again. Super_d, it's absolutely astounding and amazing how you can use racism to justify poor mannerisms and behavior in the Black sub-culture. What is it about your values and morals that cause you to rationalize despicable human behavior solely on the basis of race? Do you have even an ounce of dignity left? Not hating on you. Just trying to figure out why as a Black person, I am unable to see things as you do.

(Message edited by Shave on August 26, 2006)
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Janesback
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Hey Shave. I have seen Super D postings for a couple of months, yet I only have posted on this forum in the last month. I would say this to Super D.

"You will never be successful by being the victim."

Super D. "Instead of looking for excuses to fail, find reasons to suceed.'

I have seen you post in the past Super, and I have totally considered your rantings certifiable. Seek help, there is a cure for mental illness. Thanks for listening. Jane
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Futurecity
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Super_d is a racist dick.
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This has got to be the most humorous thread I have read in a while.

First of all, there are many countries that have a higher murder rate than the United States. Regardless of what Michael Moore insinuates in his propoganda, Brazil, Taiwan and Northern Ireland (which, BTW, is part of the much-touted "UK" in this thread) all have higher murder rates than the United States. Not surprisingly, they were not included in the CDC study. It is far easier to make the fact suit your arguement when you ignore the ones that contradict it.

As far as gun violence being a product of "white Amerikkka", I wonder what the idiot who posted such nonsense calls it when blacks kill blacks. If you think it is mind control rays originating from the CIA, you might be happy to know there are medications you can take to stop them from having effect. I hear Thorazine works wonders...

I find the comments about the "French" or "Afgan connection" rather amusing. I hope the ignorant fool who wrote this understands that opiates are responible only 5% of the total illicit drug use in the United States. That 5% includes ALL opiates, including (but not limited to) heroin, opium, and morphine, as well as codeine, Vicodin and other commonly abused perscription painkilers. Little wonder why there is a "bumper crop" of heroin this year in Afganistan; drug companies buy it to produce almost all common painkillers used in medicine today. The majority of the heroin that is abused in the United States originates in Mexico, not Asia. Heroin abuse is far more common in Asia and Europe than here. To think the CIA "liberated" Afganistan to ensure a steady supply of opium/heroin to sell in the black ghettoes of America is not only incorrect, but demonstrates a blatant ignorance of the facts.

In regards to the other comments posted that "the origins of the problems do not reside in the community they manifest", I wholeheartedly disagree. If you make the effort to raise your children with core values that reflect respect, honesty and integrity, you will never have the problems that plague many inner-city communities. However, if you raise your children to live like animals, the end result will be the kind of senseless violence that started this thread in the first place.
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Focusonthed
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It's just further evidence of the United States' obsession with the blame game. Things aren't right, so it must be someone else's fault! It sure couldn't be my own fault that I killed someone. It must have been the CIA.

In all seriousness though, super_d's statement can be true. Often, circumstances exist on a macro level that influence behavior (over time) down to each person. However, I believe he is using this as a crutch to explain away the problems in today's culture by blaming it on white government control, or some other nonsense. As Anubis inferred, where are the parents? Where are the role models? Why are kids growing up thinking this is okay? Where is the community?
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Janesback
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As Anubis inferred, where are the parents? Where are the role models? Why are kids growing up thinking this is okay? Where is the community?

Bill Cosby asked the same and was labeled an "uncle tom" for trying to find an answer. Go figure.
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Super_d
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Anabus and others stated...

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Where are the parents? Where are the role models, Why are kids growing up thinking this is okay?




Well, by the above, I assume the source of consternation outside the arch downplays and underminds the centrality of the 'amerikkkana experience' as it relates the Black poor__in otherwords, ya'll really don't have a clue!

and ya'll wonder why I rebel against red'neck'n purist conceptions of uplifted southernism, among 'y-t'__go figure!


'amerikkka' must become equal in its examination of the conditions and the circumstances that lead to the devastation of the Black poor.

'amerikkka' owes 'us' some boot-straps!

super d(motordetroit)
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Cambrian
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I dunno, your rants are so specious, you pissed at Rednecks? Corporate white America? Which YT In general?
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Tndetroiter
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Nobody owes you anything. The sooner you realize that the quicker you can get to pulling yourself up by those bootstraps.
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Cambrian
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Seems like Super D sees "YT" as one face. I'm sure he would not like it if when ever a "YT" Turned on MTV and figured that the droopy drawered, bling bling wearin' angry hand gesturin' gansta rappers on that channel represented all blacks.
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Wsugrad
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why does every thread on here lose sight *somehow* *someway* to the original point or theme? a guy died in a stupid horrible act of violence in our city and I just think it's a little redundant (not to mention disrespesctful to the deceased?) to keep calling out the same idiots for the same shit.

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