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Mind_field
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Ok, since I'm insanely impatient for anything to appear in the media, I would like to start this thread where I will address a lot of real estate downtown.

what is the deal with One Kennedy square? Is it true that Visteon IT pulled out of it's lease? Why is it taking so long for this building to open? I remember Skulker saying it would open by APRIL of this year, but here we are 5 mos. later.......

I'm assuming that whatever proposal there was to renovate the metropolitan building is now long dead, too bad.

Where is the "coming soon" announcement of the Masonic Temple and it's surrounding neighborhood development that would "shock and surprise" many of us. Does it really take THIS long to line up financing?

Quicken Loans....oh nevermind that's been beat to death on here....but supersport, I wouldn't call over 3 weeks "very soon" as far as an announcement being made to their final decision.

What is the latest with the plans for Tiger Stadium, any new movement on that project?

How is the Vinton project going? What is the ground floor retail going to be in this building?
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Lmichigan
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At least for the Tiger Stadium, the last thing released is the last thing we all heard:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports /baseball/al/tigers/2006-06-16 -tiger-stadium_x.htm

Part of the facade will be saved, as will the field as a park and baseball diamond.
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Itsjeff
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One Kennedy Square: Ernst & Young will be moved in in about 4 or 5 months. Visteon did pull out, but is obligated to pay the lease that they took. So their space isn't being built-out, but the developer gets the money anyway.

Metropolitan Building: There were never any announcements about a rehab, only that the building is available. We've gone over that building's unique problems in the past, including no nearby parking, three of the 4 sides are surrounded by other buildings, thus no view, environmental concerns from the building's former use as a jewelry repair center and that the ceilings are unusually low for a building of that era. None of these problems are insurmountable, but they do produce enough hindrances to make a project expensive.

Masonic: Got me. Earlier this year they were ready to announce "any minute now," then nothing. Pray for this one. The proposal was incredible.

Vinton: Drive by it. Work is progressing rapidly and the first tenants should be in by January.

Lafayette Building (you didn't mention this, but what the hey): I've been asked to not say what the snag is, but it involves Peebles wish that the City contribute funds. My own personal prediction is that they'll argue back and forth, then Peebles will pull out in two years saying that they couldn't do business with the City.
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Neilr
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You also did not mention the Lafer Building on Broadway; but to quote ItsJeff,

quote:

but what the hey



For the past several weeks a construction crew has been working on the interior of the building.
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Mind_field
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Itsjeff, I'm 99% sure there was a proposal, by Larson Realty Group, to convert the Metropolitan into residential lofts. It was announced many years ago, but it's obviously dead. I even contacted LRG and was told the first units should be ready sometime in '05.

I do drive (and walk) past the Vinton building, but just wondering how everything is going on the interior of the building and if there are any snags or stories to tell about the renovation. From the outside, the new windows and Vinton sign look great.

Neilr and others, feel free to add anything else that I didn't mention in my first post.
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Lmichigan
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I wonder whatever happened to the Woodward/Hudson Block proposal that REDICO was supposed to have submitted weeks/months ago, now? The media totally missed this one, as the city had set a deadline for REDICO to submit a proposal...or ask for more time. I haven't heard of either of these happening. Is it possible the city forgot? lol
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Mind_field
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LMich, I believe the deadline for Redico was June 30? But repeated attempts to get info from either Redico or the DEGC go unanswered. Why do these things have to be sooooo secretive? And I have even contacted the local papers regarding this specific issue (Hudsons block), I guess the only factor now is time.

(Message edited by mind field on September 02, 2006)
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Rbdetsport
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What was the proposal for the Masonic Temple area?
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Bibs
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If want to feel good then drive by permanent the MGM Grand casino or the Motor City Casino site. Due to an accident, I was forced to take the Lodge North Bound ramp from South bound I-75. When you come around the curve on that ramp, the Motorcity Casino hotel pops up in front of you and the view is awesome. The MGM Grand also looms over the I-75 freeway and it makes the city seem very exciting and alive.

More importantly, I'm starting to see more micro projects which I think are more important than the big box projects. A retail store front in Midtown on Woodward is being renovated. The new LaSalle Bank in the Ellington Loft building is open; not to mention the Ellington itself. New businesses and homes being renovated in the 6 mile and John R area. This area is really rough and anything new makes a huge impression on you.

Like you, I want everything to happen now but Rome wasn't built in a day. Detroit didn't fall from grace in a day.
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Superduperman
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Studio Coture opened after a very big and expensive fashion show down at Campus Martius but they barely had any customers since opening.
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1953
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Boo to Douglass Diggs, head of Planning and Development. Boo, I say!
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Bob
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Walked by the Vinton Building yesterday while at the jazz fest and work has progressed rapidly there. Will be a nice addition to that area of Woodward.
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Supersport
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quote:

but supersport, I wouldn't call over 3 weeks "very soon" as far as an announcement being made to their final decision.




I'd call any announcement of this scale "very soon" if it was within 3-6 months. This shit ain't decided overnight ya know?
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Erikd
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Lack of downtown development?

Are you kidding me?

The 3 permanent casinos and the Book Cadillac add up to about 1.5 Billion dollars of new construction projects that have started this year.

Throw in the Vinton, the Lafer, the most recent condo construction in Brush Park, the progress of the Riverwalk construction, a handfull of other new developments to top it off.

IMO, that is a pretty impressive amount of new construction.

You have got to be a very cynical person to overlook all of this new construction and focus on a few projects that have hit snags or are still in the planning process.

(Message edited by erikd on September 04, 2006)
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Docmo
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Does anyone have any info as to when the Port Authority will start the new cruise ship port in front of the Miller Garage? Man, I want that section of the Riverwalk completed.

While it is great to see the Riverwalk construction further up river, the lack of any visible work this summer on the Port site is disappointing.
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Mind_field
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ErikD,
I'm referring to the lack of news on downtown development, especially certain projects that I'd have thought we would have heard something about by now. Like the Masonic development, One Kennedy Square, the Hudson's block, and the final decision by Quicken. I did not mean to imply that there is a lack of development going on in downtown Detroit.

And SS, half a year is NOT "very soon" by any stretch of the imagination, no matter how large the project is!
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Bob
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Sometimes these kinds of deals take time, as we have seen with the BC development. And in how many other cities have you heard announcement after announcement about something that never comes to be. I know growing up in Lansing, they have been trying to get something done with the former Ottawa Street Power station in Downtown, and nothing has come to fruitation. But things are happening, be in slowly in Downtown Detroit.
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quote:

I'd call any announcement of this scale "very soon" if it was within 3-6 months. This shit ain't decided overnight ya know?




Can we get a small hint about this project? Please??
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Rbdetsport
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Yea, and what is this Masonic development?
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Dtown1
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LEt me point out something. I saw a briefing of something about the jobs and their leaving in Indiana. I heard the most important reason they were leaving was because the citizens in Indiana are undereducated for the corporate jobs and technology.



Now you do the math. Michigan, Detroit in particular, has the largest drop-out rate in the country. These businesses that envolve technology don't want undereducated people working in their jobs and not knowing what their doing. So maybe this will ease some of the wondering.
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Itsjeff
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These businesses that envolve technology don't want undereducated people working in their jobs and not knowing what their doing.

::laughing ass off::
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Wazootyman
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Dtown1, your rite.
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Janesback
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Because of globalization, we are all competing against millions daily to keep our jobs. We are tyring to stay ahead of people across the globe, especially in India and the Phillipines. Many jobs are outsourced to save money. Globalization has opened a new market, but at the same time, competition has grown immensely. Called any technical service lately, and chances are you are going to be talking to someone in India . Also,

Education is the key, plain and simple. Sadly, and I am sure I am going to get trashed for saying this, but I think the U.S. is getting to be more like 3rd world countries. People are coming here expecting to get great paying jobs as well as maintaining their own language and culture. Because of the refusal to assimilate in the culture, many are now having to take secondary and low paying jobs, i.e, janitors, food industry, poultry industry, and health care providers. People are coming here and putting pressure on local agencies as well as the health system. In reference to ones culture,

I am not saying its OK to forget ones' culture when you arrive here, but what I am saying is that when it comes to Corporate America, it only expects astute language skills as well as an education. Corporate America doesn't speak Spanish.

Again, I am sure this may rile a few feathers, but it is what is going on in the U.S. They say to be competitive, you should be bilingual as well. I say, well OK, but you may prefer to learn Chinese and forgo Spanish. China will soon be the SUPERPOWER, and Mexico will maintain its' 3rd world status. Thanks, Jane
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Jasoncw
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What does that have to do with anything?

Anyway, although I'm upset that Quicken hasn't announced anything (either saying yes, no, or we're still thinking about it), and the Hudsons block stuff, I think downtown is coming along just fine. If the pace of these small rennovations and things like that keep up, imagine how much better downtown will be in a decade, even if there aren't any new skyscrapers or things like that.
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Janesback
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Jasoncw , you stated "What does that have to do with anything? "

Well, your downtown will continue to decrease in population because your job base is decreasing. Jobs are being sent overseas, outsourcing, by major banks, technical support companies, credit card centers, etc. See Jason, if you can pay a person from India 2 dollars an hour with NO medical benefits, no vacation pay, no benefits as opposed to the U.S worker getting 15 or so an hour, as the owner,CEO, etc, where do you think they are going to have jobs located?

Downtown Detroit is a long way from Kurachii, India. Because of technology and satellites, it makes it extremely convenient to send those jobs you want , to India instead. Thats what all this has to do with your question. Thanks, Jane
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Lmichigan
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Jane, where do you get your info from? Downtown Detroit's population is not shrinking, no matter how strongly you wish it would. Why are you here, BTW?
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KARACHI is in Pakistan.
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3rdworldcity
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Focusonthed: Picky, picky, picky.

(Whatever happened to Bombay? That was a great name for a city and those Pakistani's should never have changed it.)
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Mind_field
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Straight from the horse's mouth....I got an email from Quicken stating that they have not chosen a site for the headquarters yet and are still searching. A public announcement will be made when they decide on a location.
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LMichigan, heres the Detroit press, as well as 2 other links people posted previously about how now Detorits' blacks are moving to the suburbs. If you need more information, please let me know.
I remember seeing where the population has decreased from 2, 000, 000 to 863, 000. If this is wrong please let me know.


As for why I am here, why are you here as well? Thanks. Jane


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LOCAL COMMENT: How to fix a shrinking city
BY STEPHEN VOGEL
September 21, 2005
Detroit is shrinking.
Population shrinkage in core cities is not in itself unusual. But it has become a concern throughout the world,
and the scale of Detroit's population loss makes the city stand out. In recent years, Detroit has lost more people
than the size of the 11th largest city in America -- which is Detroit!
The German Federal Cultural Foundation has funded a worldwide study of shrinking cities focusing on four:
Detroit; Leipzig, Germany; Manchester, England; and Olivana, Russia. The first part of the study -- the
analysis portion -- will soon be available in English.
Three important facts are clear already: Detroit is not alone, there will be no quick fixes, and the issue is not
just local but also regional. That is why Detroit's elected officials must take a very long view of the turnaround
that is needed for Detroit to survive and prosper into the 21st Century. This view must be bigger than a single
mayoral term and broader than just Detroit or Wayne County. It needs to be a view that looks beyond winning
back those who have left in favor of attracting new residents from abroad.
Urban sprawl, the ensuing expensive roadway and utility systems and the destruction of natural resources are
just a few of the consequences of this shrinkage. Unfortunately, traditional urban planning textbooks do not
have the answer. Planning in this country is taught based on the American tradition of "growth at all costs"
and "if you build it, they will come." This may be OK -- but really isn't -- for cities such as Phoenix or Las
Vegas, but what about cities like Detroit that are losing population at the rate of 10,000 people per year?
Academics have put forth utopian and theoretical proposals for Detroit that would substantially increase the
amount of park land, turn Detroit into an agrarian community, fencing off part of the city for "wilderness," or
make Detroit of a density that is even lower than that found in suburbia. These proposals deal with land issues,
but they miss the primary issue of economics.
The American capitalist system relies on economic growth, and any proposal that does not address that issue is
doomed. The question might be, then, how can we make the city grow in the face of racism, the loss of
automotive jobs and the declining quality of the Detroit infrastructure?
Over the past several decades, Detroit's white population has shrunk, and the city lost some African Americans
to the suburbs, but numbers of Asian, Hispanic and Middle Eastern immigrants have increased.
At the turn of the 20th Century until the Great Depression, Detroit experienced unparalleled growth through
immigration. This growth was fueled by the jobs created by the automobile industry, as well as the images of a
beautiful, treed city where home ownership was the highest in the nation and everyone had a car.
10/21/05 10:44 AM LOCAL COMMENT: How to fix a shrinking city
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In the past decade, the Northern cities in America that have experienced growth, such as Minneapolis and
New York, accomplished that through international immigration.
But what about jobs?
Although we no longer have a robust automobile industry to attract immigration to Detroit, we have a strong
job market in southeastern Michigan, including a growing service industry, and medical- and automotiverelated
research and development. The problem is that Detroiters lack the means -- namely, education and
transportation -- to access those jobs.
One long-term approach is to begin a number of vigorous interrelated strategies that are somewhat "chicken
and egg" scenarios.
•First, attract an increased number of immigrants to Detroit through an internationally based homestead
program. A city the size of San Francisco could fit in the total area of Detroit's empty buildings and vacant
lots. We should invite people to live in our city. This alone creates vitality and jobs. The quality that Detroit
has, more than all the suburbs, is cultural diversity, and that is what attracts people to world-class cities.
•Second, create and interconnect the regional transportation system to help correct the mismatch between the
location of jobs and the homes of Detroiters.
•Third, dramatically overhaul our K-12 educational system in Detroit. We cannot compete in a global
marketplace that is outsourcing jobs to much better educated populaces in Asia, Africa, South America and
Europe. Minimally, we should be training our students to access the jobs of the global Internet network of
services.
•Fourth, explore a new base of jobs that competes directly with offshore enterprises by using and expanding
already existing enterprise zones and other new programs that can attract employers to the city to take
advantage of the labor market.
•Finally, have a strategy for creating quality of life amenities in the city not based only on expediency or on the
primacy of the automobile, such as bike and pedestrian paths, maintained parks and enhanced cultural facilities.
This is a tall order, and some would argue that this is already what we are trying to do. The X-factor, however,
is immigration -- a concerted effort to bring new people to the city. A vision, a creative and unique plan and
long-term persistence are what we need to rebuild a great Detroit.
is dean of the University of Detroit Mercy School of Architecture. He is also a founding
principal of Schervish Vogel Consulting Architects and SVM Development Corp. His practice is focused on
urban redevelopment, including the Harmonie Park area of Detroit, where SVM has redeveloped five
buildings. Write to him in care of the Free Press Editorial Page, 600 W. Fort St., Detroit, MI 48226.



STEPHEN VOGEL
Copyright © 2005 Detroit Free Press Inc.
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Lmichigan
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Jane, you specifically said that downtown Detroit's population was shrinking. It is perhaps one of the very few regions of the city actually growing in population. You specifically said:

"Well, your downtown will continue to decrease in population."

What's your definition of "downtown?"
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Dtown1
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I agree Jane. We do have not one of the best, the best Doctors and hospitals in the country. However, think long term, people aren't gonna want to work in a area that filled with pollution and abandoned factories with poor city services. As I said, the genereation this day and age aren't helping when it comes to the decline of the city. In the next 20 years, people aren't gonna wanna work at hospitals such as the Medical Center because of inexperienced workforce. Mass transit isn't the problem. Cities like Atlanta or LA don't have mass transit and their doing three times as good as Detroit is doing. We ave access to water. So that can't be the issue either. I belive our municipal leaders really screwed us up when saying that the city could hold their own without the suburbanites. the suburbanites makes up what is a major city. we also have access to three airports that are right of two differnt expressways. Mass Transit isn't the problem. In the end, I still believe it's a racial thing. You see our fair White-owned news stations haven't supported the growthof the city. Their still in their safe coven in southfield. As someone said, there isn't enough traffic downtown for a mass transit system. I believe its a racial thing being a maiin factor. The African Americam won't vote anyone else in office but African Americans because their afraid that if they vote some else in of a antother race, they will make it hard for blacks again. so yes, it is also the citizens of the city.Let's look at the statistics....






Chicago-Daly: White Male; improving budget, experience, skyscraper boom

Detroit-Kilpatrick: African-american; young and cheap.



I say cheap becuase he wont even spend his own money to do stuff for himself but spend the cites money.


The white people have connections that the African americans don't have. I mean, what was wrong with visteon moving downtown? Businesses like that belong in a CBD like Detroit. If the city didnt talk the casions into building permanant spots in the city, they were fleeing to the suburbs. In the end, were hurting ourselves when it comes to the city and our natural resources because of primitive instinct and racial issues. God made us as one, not as suburbanites and urbanites. You so called christian need to look yall selves in the mirror.




If I offende anyone, I apologize. however, I'm gonna tell it like it is from my experience.

(Message edited by Dtown1 on September 05, 2006)

(Message edited by Dtown1 on September 05, 2006)
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Ndavies
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Visteon's not moving downtown. Why? They are cutting people like crazy. They just built a new suburban campus that they won't be able to fill. Why rent more space when you have more than you need? They were expecting growth when they signed the lease, that growth never came.

It had absolutely nothing to do with race, It was strictly an economic decision.
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Lmichigan
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2010, huh? A long way to go. The DMC will never be in danger. If there is one thing that survives (and even thrives in almost every case) in the most declined of cities it is the hospital(s)/health care industry. They almost always exist as entities unto themselves. DMC is not getting worse, and it doesn't have to worry about getting worse, either. The healthcare industry has not only remained steady, but grown despite the rest of our bad economy.

As for the whole race issue you brought up, Dtown, concerning how African Americans vote, let me remind you that whites, in preliminary polls, often say they will vote for a black candidate, and then backdoor them when they get the chance by not turning out for that candidate like they would an equal popular white candidate. That's not an opinion, that's a fact:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5548757

And this is particularly announced in certain parts of the country.

If you want to point fingers, make sure your point them all around you.

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Rhymeswithrawk
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Part of the facade will be saved, as will the field as a park and baseball diamond.

Ha. Riiiiiight. I know that's what Kwame SAID will happen, but if you believe it, you haven't lived in Detroit long enough (if at all). My bet: They tear it down two years from now (as opposed to this fall) and it will become another overgrown field dotted with trees of heaven (aka ghetto palms).
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Eric
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Kwame also said that the riverfront would tranformed with a new Riverwalk and that the Book Cadillac would be renovated. Given the track of the city over the last few years with big projects like Campus Martius(another one people said would never happen) and the above mentioned. I expect there will be delays, but it will get completed.
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Ramcharger
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Kwame also said that the riverfront would tranformed with a new Riverwalk



The Riverwalk was not Kwame's idea, it was Coleman Young's. So let's see, 1972 to 2006, that's 34 years and it's still not finished.
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Stecks77
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Lmichigan: The DMC may not be in danger financially but as of December its contract with the Medical School at Wayne State will expire.

The Dean at the Medical School sent an e-mail to all the students over the weekend explaining the situation and the tone of the message was not good (expect shit to hit the fan).

If the contract with Wayne State expires and the Medical School moves to another hospital this will be a significant blow to the DMC.

Teaching hospitals are typically ranked very high and losing residents, professors, and doctors associated with the school will hurt its reputation and potentially its performance.

What are the odds this will happen? I don't know but if it does happen, hopefully Wayne State will work with Henry Ford Hospital.
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Detroit_stylin
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And with this we know WITHOUT DOUBT that Dtown is slipping on some of the things he is talking about...

Have you ever been out of the city? However some of what you say has a slight ring of truth (bolded type excluded). I am surprised that noone has caught that yet...


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I agree Jane. We do have not one of the best, the best Doctors and hospitals in the country. However, think long term, people aren't gonna want to work in a area that filled with pollution and abandoned factories with poor city services. As I said, the genereation this day and age aren't helping when it comes to the decline of the city. In the next 20 years, people aren't gonna wanna work at hospitals such as the Medical Center because of inexperienced workforce. Mass transit isn't the problem. Cities like Atlanta or LA don't have mass transit and their doing three times as good as Detroit is doing. We ave access to water. So that can't be the issue either. I belive our municipal leaders really screwed us up when saying that the city could hold their own without the suburbanites. the suburbanites makes up what is a major city. we also have access to three airports that are right of two differnt expressways. Mass Transit isn't the problem. In the end, I still believe it's a racial thing. You see our fair White-owned news stations haven't supported the growthof the city. Their still in their safe coven in southfield. As someone said, there isn't enough traffic downtown for a mass transit system. I believe its a racial thing being a maiin factor. The African Americam won't vote anyone else in office but African Americans because their afraid that if they vote some else in of a antother race, they will make it hard for blacks again. so yes, it is also the citizens of the city.Let's look at the statistics....




And for those that still want to think that race does not play a factor in Detroit's recovery, you are living in ignorant bliss for real. Everything else is just symptomatic of the cancer of racism.
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Dabirch
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And for those that still want to think that race does not play a factor in Detroit's recovery, you are living in ignorant bliss for real. Everything else is just symptomatic of the cancer of racism.




like Detroit is the only place in the US that has those concerns even in light of wha tu just posted D_Stylin...

Does it make it any worse?
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Motorcitymayor2026
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I know, first hand, about the Visteon situation, and in NO way did it have anything to do with Visteon being afraid of downtown, or Visteon being racist...It would have been very convenient for them actually, as EY and PWC are their main auditors... It all came down to economics...
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Toolbox
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Motorcitymayor2026
It would have been very convenient for them actually, as EY and PWC are their main auditors... It all came down to economics...




That makes no sense as it was IBM contractors doing Visteon IT work and not a corporate HQ. It was to be close to Compuware.
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Southwestmap
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Stecks77, I have friends who teach in the medical school. They believe that Mike Duggan has decimated the DMC and that within only a few years it will be nothing more than the equivilant of a community hospital system. The end of an era of great prestige, great research and great medicine in the heart of our city.

The DMC's alliance with WSU's med school was an important engine for travel into the region. Scientists, doctors and patients came from great distances, much as people travel to the Cleveland Heart Center, etc. Now we'll have- maybe- something like St. Joseph Mercy in its place.
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Motorcitymayor2026
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I know that it would have been IBM workers, and not a HQ... HQ is Visteon Village in Van Buren Township, BUT it was also being done to be more convienent with PWC and EY
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Lmichigan
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Detroit Stylin, I don't know where you've been, but it certainly hasn't been doing your research. LA and Atlanta both have rail transit (however limited it may be).

Atlanta has MARTA which is a mixed bus-heavy commuter rail system. The rail portion has an extensive north and south line that exist within the beltway connecting key commuter points.

Los Angeles has Metro, which is a mixed bus-light rail-heavy rail system. It currently operates 73.1 miles of urban rail service with 62 stations, a few miles of which is a subway, one of the few subways in the country.

Come on, even if these sprawled-to-death cities didn't have commuter and/or light rail transit within their cities it wouldn't mean anything, as each of these cities grew to prominence well after the automobile.
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Gambling_man
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Toolbox, modern financial audits have a sizeable IT section, and many companies do all of their Sarbanes Oxley compliance via their networks (communications, controls, file sharing).....so it certainly would be convenient.
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Lmichigan
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Thanks, Gambling_Man.

(Message edited by lmichigan on September 06, 2006)
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Motorcitymayor2026
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visteon only even considered it because E and Y was going to be in the building...

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