  Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1318 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 69.129.146.186 |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200 60908/ap_on_go_ot/welfare_work ;_ylt=AqTuoKELKe8TOXVBatFph6Nv zwcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNl YwM- The welfare rolls aren't dropping as fast as they used to, and that could pose a big money problem for states from coast to coast when a new federal law takes effect next month. The states' task: find jobs for tens of thousands of people on welfare or risk losing millions in federal money. More than two dozen states have work to do, including Pennsylvania, California and Michigan. The law requires states to place into job training, community service or other work activities 50 percent of their households that get welfare aid — and 90 percent of two-parent households that receive assistance. Pennsylvania will have to add nearly 23,000 recipients to the work rolls, which amounts to a 220 percent increase in work participation, according to federal estimates obtained by The Associated Press. California has to find work activities for more than 60,000 people_ a 100 percent increase in its work participation rate. Michigan must add nearly 11,500, a 117 percent increase. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1383 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
"California has to find work activities for more than 60,000 people_ a 100 percent increase in its work participation rate." What's a dirty four-letter word ending in "k" for many on the welfare rolls? --- work | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 427 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.60.181.41 |
what a jerk you are. christ. | ||
River_rat Member Username: River_rat Post Number: 212 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.166.44.44 |
Who votes for livernoisyard and who for oldrefordette? One for Livernoisyard. | ||
Gildas Member Username: Gildas Post Number: 840 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 69.222.55.36 |
Two for Livernoisyard. | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 604 Registered: 12-2003 Posted From: 71.213.230.209 |
Two words: Education & Entrepreneurship. We have got to get people of SE Michigan, and the rest of the state, to begin thinking in terms of being their own business, and quit relying solely on the big corporations, press release type events & job announcements to save our asses. The gov't needs to simply get out of the way and make business ventures as simple to start up as possible. If the bureaucrats in Lansing want to assist, let them support small business training seminars that would be beneficial to help those without formal business training get some basic know-how. Not to suggest that all welfare recipients start their own businesses, many of them probably have a difficult enough time just maintaining a job (however it is possible). Rather, those folks in our midst that have some formal training, education, desire, hobby, etc. develop their skills into a small business. As these businesses grow and flourish (or fail in many cases), they will be the ones to hire and provide the jobs that will keep our region strong and economy diversified. And, from personal experience, nothing is more liberating than being involved in your own business. [Spelling Edit] (Message edited by rrl on September 08, 2006) | ||
Dsmith Member Username: Dsmith Post Number: 110 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 68.41.202.23 |
Livernoisyard 3 Oldredfordette 0 | ||
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026 Post Number: 1285 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 35.11.212.197 |
1 for ORF LY, you should read Nickel and Dimed, by Barbara Erhenreich, and watch the documentary, Waging a Living. It might open your eyes 60% of Americans working make less than the $14 an hour (30,000 yr.), which is the amount deemed necessary for a a single parent and 2 children to live on. And even then, they are just getting by | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 83 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.239.153 |
Livernoisyard 4 Oldredfordette 0 | ||
Awfavre Member Username: Awfavre Post Number: 64 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 69.3.206.177 |
2 for ORF. She is a Goddess. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 2967 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 66.202.227.12 |
1 for ORF... Every one was not blessed with millions or opportunities. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 84 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.239.153 |
I'd like to update my vote. I think it depends on the person in question. There are alot of muchers who are on the welfare rolls and there are alot of families who need the money to survive. I think more often than not those on welfare work hard and are given a bad name by slackers. | ||
River_rat Member Username: River_rat Post Number: 215 Registered: 02-2006 Posted From: 68.166.44.44 |
Rrl quote, "keep our region strong and economy diversified". Where have you been hiding for the last few decades? | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 90 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.236.19 |
The problem is that the region isn't strong and the economy isn't diversified. Michigan was a largely industrial urban state. Not many industries are coming back to the United States and especially not heavilly unionized Michigan. There is probably no state that has made a worse transition after the rustbelt collapse. He's right that the economy should be diversified and the region become strong, but it isn't right now. This would be the way to lower the number of people on the welfare rolls. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1319 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 69.130.18.100 |
yet the Feds will yank funding if these people aren't either training, working or dropped from the payment rolls seems counterproductive at this juncture | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 366 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.227.95.4 |
"The law requires states to place into job training, COMMUNITY SERVICE or other work activities 50 percent of their households that get welfare aid — and 90 percent of two-parent households that receive assistance." I'm assuming the majority of Michigan's welfare receipients live in Detroit and other struggling urban areas. How about having many of these people clean the city streets, remove abandoned buildings, maintain and restore Belle Isle, Fort Wayne, etc. If the State has to pay them why not make them work for it. Perhaps they will acquire new job skills at the same time. It helped many get through the Great Depression why not now?? (Of course this would require that we dispose of a few ambulance chasing lawyers that are feeding off the insurance industry and taxpayers.) =) | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 92 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.95.236.225 |
Yeah for Johnnny 5, I like that idea. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1386 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Community service (all caps or not) is no answer. Court-mandated community service isn't done in the first place to a large, perhaps, majority of the time. If the courts with all their legal power won't administer it, why would a lesser-empowered agency? All community service will do is simply hide the issue. The welfare recipients will miss some of their commitments and gradually realize that they can just skip them entirely with penalty. And all the time, this will be kept hidden from the public. On paper the problem will be "solved," while the welfare recipients will continue doing as little as possible, or nothing. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on September 08, 2006) | ||
Tndetroiter Member Username: Tndetroiter Post Number: 234 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 141.217.226.172 |
I like how LY likes to look down his nose on those less fortunate than him. I bet he's never had to wonder where his next meal was going to come from. You can't fix this problem until you create jobs. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1388 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
Those who empower themselves will have an easier time in life. Study and work in school means graduating from high school with an education, not just a meaningless diploma. [But many don't bother doing much in school and will drop out.] Then learn one or more job skills and maintain a decent work ethic by looking for work and keep on working. [If a job is not where one lives, then do what illegal aliens do, MOVE!] Actually, that isn't hard to do and should be expected of everybody. If done properly, there would only be few legitimate (sensible) reasons for welfare rolls. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on September 08, 2006) | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 368 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 71.227.95.4 |
I'm not suggesting forced community service by itself is the answer, but it would address the current issue of losing federal funding. In the scenario I mentioned it would not be community service as punishment. Instead the services would be rewarded with a paycheck (Welfare check). (Message edited by Johnnny5 on September 08, 2006) | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1389 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 69.242.223.42 |
The problem with community service is that participation is not generally monitored. So, cheating will be the logical result. Hint: That's human nature. It looks good on paper, though. | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 618 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 |
At the risk of telling too much about myself (and ending up on the OTHER forum), I can honestly say that welfare can be a tremendous help to those who are in a jam. I had to resort to welfare in order to leave an abusive relationship. I also worked two jobs, went to college full time and raised my son. I just needed a helping hand. Now that I am viable, I give back to my community, donate to charity, donated my time to those less fortunate (abused women's shelter), and try to help those in need. If it hadn't been for that helping hand, I don't know where my son and myself would be right now. My parents could help and they did...but they couldn't support me and my child. Welfare didn't afford me the opportunity to sit on my butt and not work (this was prior to the welfare to work program). I worked hard because I wanted more for myself and my child. I graduated with honors. When I got my full time career"job" I called my worker and told her to remove me immediately from the roles because someone else needed that helping hand. Not all people on welfare are lazy and have an aversion to work as Livernoisyard suggests. Yes, there are people like that but I am willing to bet there are more who want to work full time and be able to support their families on their own. Chalk a line on Oldredfordette's side from me! | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 596 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 68.42.162.164 |
Cheers for Detroitteacher! That's the whole American spirit! | ||
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289 Post Number: 1219 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.183.223 |
... anyone want to completely forget the disabled, elderly, and mentally ill? Its kind of hard to find a job when your autistic... which is 1 in every 166 americans. Or those that have had strokes, missing limbs ect. believe it or not, many of those people do not qualify for social security... and there are alot more diabled people than you might think... my mom was one of them. She had a stroke while she was a dental hygenist with a BS. Right now she has a hard time grasping a pen after brain surgery. She is still trying to collect some form of government benefit as her employer moved to mexico. | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 34 Registered: 05-2004 Posted From: 68.40.119.216 |
It's obvious that some people don't have family or someone else to help them when times are bad. Most studies show the majority of welfare folks don't remain there forever. Lots of people lose jobs, go bankrupt or have a divorce which throws them into poverty. Unless you have an education, wealthy family or someone to help you out, you're screwed. If you have kids, then it's even tougher. I'm for helping someone out if they're willing to work to get themselves back on their feet. The slackers can fend for themselves. They'll either end up dead, in jail or grow a spine. Mentally handicapped should be helped out and not dumped on the streets. | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 437 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 68.60.181.41 |
Thanks for the votes, I hope it's a vote more for the disappeared and disenfranchised and left behind in this country then for bad-tempered old me. We live in mean and selfish days, moral midgets are running this country right now. We must try with all our might to be the antidote to people like Livernoisyard. |
