Frenchman_in_the_d Member Username: Frenchman_in_the_d
Post Number: 46 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:12 pm: | |
Hello all, I was walking to class this morning when I saw a huge line in front of Scorekeepers (Ann Arbor's most affluent nightclub). I would say more than 400 students. I walked in front of it again just a few minutes ago, the line is getting even crazier. Enourmous line... really, there is no less than a good 600-700 student/young adults. Intrigued by the whole thing (people in front of Scorekeepers at 8 a.m.??), I was told that MTV's producers are on hand at Scorekeepers today and tomorrow. They are making auditions there for the future "Real World" cast... I also picked up the University Journal today that has an article about it. You are required, during the 'audition' to bring a "photo ID, proof of citizenship and must be between 18 and 24"... The Michigan Daily also has an article p8A "So, yes, you random undergrad can indeed become part of a future "Real World" cast. Godspeed" A question though, I'm not a fan of MTV at all, but what happened to all the rumblings about MTV shooting a part of the 18th season in a trendy loft in Detroit to promote SuperBowl XL?? Apparently, today's Michigan Daily says "... of course, it wasn't going to be set in Detroit... MTV scouts ere reportedly looking for the high end lofts in safer, hipster-yuppie enclave of Royal Oak..." Royal Oak is hipster-yuppie place now? I think it's a suburban dumpster enclave on week-ends, where most of the suburban youth goes to puke, piss on the sidewalks and get trashed.... |
Jfried Member Username: Jfried
Post Number: 908 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:19 pm: | |
you still see a few hipsters in royal oak, but for the most part the city has become a hangout for the preppy/normal folks that most hipsters & most members of the detroityes community despise.... |
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000
Post Number: 132 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:25 pm: | |
Maybe by inciting another argumentative Detroit vs. suburbs thread we could really solve some of this area's problems on-line. By the way, you didn't mention where the suburban youth are defecating in Royal Oak. |
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa
Post Number: 1168 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:31 pm: | |
quote:Royal Oak is hipster-yuppie place now? I think it's a suburban dumpster enclave on week-ends, where most of the suburban youth goes to puke, piss on the sidewalks and get trashed....
Do you honestly try to learn anything about a topic before you post? |
Frenchman_in_the_d Member Username: Frenchman_in_the_d
Post Number: 47 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:44 pm: | |
Susanarosa, this is really what I think of Royal Oak. Yes I know, it's an artsy place, beautiful lofts springing up like mushrooms all around... Apart from Main St. and the few supposedly yuppie-hippie blocks, it is a very depressing place... typical suburbia. And once again, I did specifiy that what I thought of Royal Oak was "ON WEEK ENDS". I've seen a lot of disgusting/funky stuff happen there on Fri and Sat nights... I find the place repulsive now: I feel like Royal Oak tries to appear like something it is not: a hip place, bustling with art, with an independant urban twist. A few months ago, a friend of mine (who moved from France) was looking for a place in Ferndale/Royal Oak... I told him about the lofts. He called me the same day he visited them and told me "$200.000 for a loft in a tiny suburban city. It's only crapy Royal Oak for God's sake"... that's my take on the place. This is my perception though. No need to agree I would be glad to know what other people think of RO |
Supersport Member Username: Supersport
Post Number: 10678 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:52 pm: | |
quote:Royal Oak is hipster-yuppie place now? I think it's a suburban dumpster enclave on week-ends, where most of the suburban youth goes to puke, piss on the sidewalks and get trashed....
Frenchie, I take back what I said about you, you're a bit of alright. |
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa
Post Number: 1169 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 12:52 pm: | |
I agree with you about the lofts. But Royal Oak is far from "crappy." And the fact that anyone would say/think/profess to know this to be true only after going to Sangria on a Saturday night or touring the Skyloft development just shows the mindset of you and your friend. Stay in Ann Arbor, douchebag. |
Arab_guyumich Member Username: Arab_guyumich
Post Number: 784 Registered: 12-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:02 pm: | |
I agree with Susana...Ann Arbor is just as suburban and sprawling and yuppified as Royal Oak, except that it's wealthier and more pretentious. Frenchman, how much of Ann Arbor have you really seen outside of the Main St./State St. area? |
Toolbox
Member Username: Toolbox
Post Number: 989 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:05 pm: | |
quote:Forgien guy in AA Apart from Main St. and the few supposedly yuppie-hippie blocks, it is a very depressing place... typical suburbia.
Except that it has a downtown dating back over 100 years and a very large community of vintage housing stock. |
Frenchman_in_the_d Member Username: Frenchman_in_the_d
Post Number: 48 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:06 pm: | |
Seriously Susana, I am open to debate. The problem is, apart from Main St. there is really nothing in RO. I did shop a few times a the RO Farmers market, I did try to immerse myself in the supposedly RO atmosphere. But seriously, it just felt the same in Warren, Auburn Hills, Bloomfield Hills or any other suburb. The 6 block Main St. does not impress anymore. The "crappy" probably ticked you off. If it did offend you, I apologize. Point is, I really think it's just yet another bland suburb. Hope that will not offend you... |
Apbest Member Username: Apbest
Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:10 pm: | |
and washington and all the numerical streets in between...they're building a 20 story condo tower on Washington |
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa
Post Number: 1170 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:12 pm: | |
Thank you for your further explanation. |
Frenchman_in_the_d Member Username: Frenchman_in_the_d
Post Number: 49 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:17 pm: | |
Arab guy, I don't think Ann Arbor or Royal Oak are comparable... I've seen much of Ann Arbor, and yes, there is a great deal of sprawl. but for what I know, According to U.S. Census of 2000, RO's residents at 60.000 and Ann Arbor's 120.000... woops!!! and that does not even include the 30.000 undergrads residing there.... Not defending Ann Arbor, but there is no comparison whatsoever between Ann Arbor and RO: art, real estate, population density, world recognition, center for arts... yes the University of MI helps a great deal with all the buzz when big shot personnalities visit the city and name.... the museums, art fairs, affluence of the city, etc... Hey, OCC and RO could probably take the challenge... PS. anybody showing up at Scorekeeprs for the audition? lol (Message edited by Frenchman_in_the_d on September 27, 2006) |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 1821 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:28 pm: | |
Is this french cat some kind of buffoon? AA's population is about 100,000 including sudents and has not changed much in the last 15 yrs. AA is unlike R.O. in that it is not a suburb and is not surrounded by other suburbs and of course the UM is here. |
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan
Post Number: 531 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:32 pm: | |
quote:Royal Oak is hipster-yuppie place now? I think it's a suburban dumpster enclave on week-ends, where most of the suburban youth goes to puke, piss on the sidewalks and get trashed....
You live in Ann Arbor, and you're going to talk about young people getting drunk, pissing, and vomiting all over Royal Oak? Pot, have you met kettle? And having been to a few locations in Royal Oak makes you qualified to judge the entire city and the people who live there? How does that make you ANY different than the suburbanites who hold negative stereotypes about Detroit based on their occasional trip to Joe Louis Arena or Comerica Park or the Casinos? You are a hypocrite. |
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 983 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:35 pm: | |
SEMCOG's September population estimate puts Ann Arbor at 112,000 and Royal Oak's at 56,000. Both cities lost a fraction of their population since the 2000 census. Not sure if the A2 number also includes students. |
Frenchman_in_the_d Member Username: Frenchman_in_the_d
Post Number: 50 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:35 pm: | |
Citylover, we're both wrong. http://annarbor.areaconnect.co m/statistics.htm 2000 U.S. Census says 114.000 Are out-of-state students and international students, even in A2 for a few years, considered A2 residents? Is it this way in any other city census? Thnx |
Pam Member Username: Pam
Post Number: 513 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 1:38 pm: | |
quote:AA is unlike R.O. in that it is not a suburb and is not surrounded by other suburbs and of course the UM is here.
And Shakey Jake.
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Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 1787 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 2:33 pm: | |
Students count in the Census. At least that's what they told us when we answered the survey in 2000. |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 1823 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 2:52 pm: | |
Well that is certainly not the 190, 000 you alluded to Frenchman_ I am skeptical of 114,000 as well it seems a bit high |
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 985 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 2:56 pm: | |
Actually, I thought it was little low. I thought it was closer to 150,000 with all of the students. I also expected a population bump since the rental market in the city is recovering and the city also annexed all of that land on the north side near the U.S. 23/M-14 split. |
Supersport Member Username: Supersport
Post Number: 10680 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 2:59 pm: | |
Is Ann Arbor Detroit's largest suburb then, or is there another that is bigger? I know Livonia is around 100,000 right? |
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 986 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 3:05 pm: | |
According to SEMCOG: Warren: 135,000 Sterling Heights: 127,000 Ann Arbor: 112,000 Dearborn: 100,000 Livonia: 96,000 |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 31 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 3:25 pm: | |
Then there are some people who argue Ann Arbor isnt even a suburb, but thats another story. One day when the yuppies invade the city (and i think your right most people on here seem to hate them myself included)places like Royal Oak will be a distant memory and will revert to being just another burb, no offense to anyone but Royak Oak only exists as a trendy spot because the city isnt one. As for the real world I havent heard anything up here at MSU or id tryout, all they do is drink, screw, and fight all the time and id have no problem doing that on tv. |
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch
Post Number: 1875 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 3:48 pm: | |
quote: One day when the yuppies invade the city (i think your right most people on here seem to hate them myself included)
So you hate me? Hmmm. I've been here for a decade. Own my house. Have a family. Pay a shitload in taxes. Volunteer. Support local businesses. Yet you hate me? Wow. Sorry my choices in clothing, cars, and career path upset you so. Fuck off. |
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies
Post Number: 2190 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 3:54 pm: | |
Cracks me up that so many people hate Yuppies, when they are actually yuppies themselves. A Yuppie is a young urban professional. 90% of the people moving into the CBD count as Yuppies. |
Wmuchris Member Username: Wmuchris
Post Number: 460 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 3:55 pm: | |
Dabirch, you miss the point of young Mayor McGillicuddy. He is reminding us of a simpler outlook on life, because face it, Isn't life all about hating those that are different from us? Didn't your parents teach you anything? I for one, hate yuppies, preps, hipsters, hippies, blacks, gays, Samoans, turtles, and cheese. Everything else is all right by me. |
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch
Post Number: 1876 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 3:59 pm: | |
quote:A Yuppie is a young urban professional
Oh man. Don't I feel stupid. NDavies -- I guess you and I are off the list. The mayor doesn't hate us. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 2857 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 4:04 pm: | |
I get tired of the same old "boring suburb" crap on this forum... once you get beyond Downtown Midtown and New Center, everything in metro Detroit is a neighborhood, whether it's in the city or in a suburb... they're all neighborhoods! There are interesting ones in the city, and interesting ones in the suburbs. There are boring ones in the city, and boring ones in the suburbs... 'Nuff said! |
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies
Post Number: 2191 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 4:05 pm: | |
LOL, I was going to point that out. I definitely slid out of being young some time ago. The mayor will be hating himself real soon as he becomes professional. |
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch
Post Number: 1877 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 4:07 pm: | |
quote:The mayor will be hating himself real soon as he becomes professional.
That's a big assumption. |
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy
Post Number: 2968 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 4:09 pm: | |
Frenchman, what was an underaged person such as yourself doing in Royal Oak on a Friday and Saturday night? Let me guess, your "diplomatic credentials" get you into the bars? Also, how is anything that "you saw on the streets of Royal Oak" any more "disgusting" than anything that you would see in Ann Arbor or anywhere else on your "extensive travels"? It's simply amazing how much you (claim to) know about this area and its politics, all while only having been here for 3 years while attending school and acting as a "diplomat". |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 485 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 5:33 pm: | |
Population density Royal Oak - 1,961/sq km Ann Arbor - 1,629/sq km Bzzzt, sorry. Royal Oak isn't utopia, but at least get your facts right before you make assumptions just because its an inner-ring suburb and A2 is not. |
Rosedaleken Member Username: Rosedaleken
Post Number: 250 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 5:51 pm: | |
Scorekeepers is Ann Arbor's most affluent nightclub?! I haven't laughed that hard in some time... |
Wazootyman Member Username: Wazootyman
Post Number: 130 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 6:04 pm: | |
Why all the Royal Oak hate? It's dense for a suburb, and has a sizeable downtown that seems to be thriving. I would think it's only a positive that a city such as RO would be focusing so much on developing its downtown. The closed-mindedness of some posters is really laughable. Unless it's Detroit, where hipsters, black and white can talk about diversity in the street while holding an art fair (but only with local, "cool" art, not that popular shit), it's just not going to work for you? Or are you upset that the drunk, pissing frat boys aren't in Detroit instead? |
Rjk Member Username: Rjk
Post Number: 508 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 6:09 pm: | |
"It's only crapy Royal Oak for God's sake" Didn't they teach you about decorum at diplomacy school? Grow up, there's an adult way to say that you're not a fan of a certain area without having to take a shot at a community where some members of this forum may live. |
Jjw Member Username: Jjw
Post Number: 178 Registered: 10-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 6:24 pm: | |
As far as suburbs go, Royal Oak is nicer than most that I have seen in the Metro area but I certainly would not define it as "hip". It is really like a suburb probably should be with a downtown area and a variety of housing stock but really---hip???? |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 32 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 6:42 pm: | |
You all are funny I was only joking and you all are soooooooo sensitive but ill have fun with this. A yuppie to me is a.k.a an asshole you know the latte sippin, scarf wearing in september, cell phone talking while driving ther 525i in two lanes and then flip you off while you blow your horn at them type of people. Reading you reactions I thought maybe I had the definition of the term confused so I looked it up on wikipedia and as they put it, "Yuppie is an acronym for "Young Urban Professional", a term often used pejoratively with connotations of selfishness, materialism, and superficiality. Originally the term held some positive meaning, but quickly led to backlash against those that self-identified with the term." There are all kinds of young and old "urban" professionals who dont qualify for the term yuppie under this definition. And if this description fits you Ndavies and Dabrich then maybe I really do hate you, but hate is such a strong word, slightly dislike. And I dont hate royal oak I was only pointing out the fact if downtown had always been the trendy spot of the region or becomes a major trendy spot again then this argument of royal oak vs. ann arbor would be non existant. |
Pam Member Username: Pam
Post Number: 515 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 7:12 pm: | |
quote:As far as suburbs go, Royal Oak is nicer than most that I have seen in the Metro area but I certainly would not define it as "hip". It is really like a suburb probably should be with a downtown area and a variety of housing stock but really---hip????
I haven't been there much in recent years but once upon a time RO was hip, back in the days of Off the Record, Noir Leather, Dave's Comics etc. RO Main still shows non-mainstream movies. |
Frenchman_in_the_d Member Username: Frenchman_in_the_d
Post Number: 52 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 9:14 pm: | |
Listen, I never claimed I knew a lot about RO or anything else, that's why I'm on this forum... to learn, share ideas, and probably change my mind on certain issues. I never for that matter insulted yuppies or anybody else. As for the puking and pissing, yes there is much more in A2. I highlighted about puking and pissing in RO since some people claim it is a hip place. Anyways, I passed by scorekeepers again... the line is... simply unbelievable. It's really tempting, as Mayor_Sekou said: I wouldn't mind fighting, drinking, screwing for MTV cameras and make some money either. But not to the point of standing hours and hours in line for an audition... See you all and good night. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 487 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 9:15 pm: | |
Noir was still there a few months ago, at least. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 488 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 9:35 pm: | |
quote:And I dont hate royal oak I was only pointing out the fact if downtown had always been the trendy spot of the region or becomes a major trendy spot again then this argument of royal oak vs. ann arbor would be non existant.
Partially true, maybe, maybe not. Chicago is and (for the most part) always has been the center of the Chicagoland region, yet by your reasoning, Oak Park should not exist, nor should any of the entertainment destinations that have been built in the northern suburbs (though those are considerably farther from Chicago than Royal Oak is from Detroit) (Message edited by focusonthed on September 27, 2006) |
Vas Member Username: Vas
Post Number: 638 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 11:48 pm: | |
Now I remember why I dislike the French so much, because they arrogantly always think they are correct about everything. Hmm, just like most everyone on this forum. Frenchie is fitting in nicely. |
Frenchman_in_the_d Member Username: Frenchman_in_the_d
Post Number: 53 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 11:58 pm: | |
Vas, I never said that what I thought was correct. Once again Vas, I am on this forum to discuss, debate and have a different take on things. I love Ann Arbor, Detroit and Paris. But I dislike RO... just as you might dislike Paris... I have no problem with it. Obviously, you had to spit out your French-bash. Apparently, a tradition in the U.S. How sad... |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 33 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 12:00 am: | |
No im not saying they shouldnt or wouldnt have existed just they wouldnt have been as significant if downtown maintained its role as the entertainment center of the region. (Message edited by mayor_sekou on September 28, 2006) |
Supersport Member Username: Supersport
Post Number: 10681 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 12:04 am: | |
Dabirch = young? LMMFAO! Dude, seriously, not in a million years would I consider you a Yuppie. |
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch
Post Number: 1879 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 6:25 am: | |
Sport - I am not that old. And I do sip latte's while I am talking on the phone and driving in 2 lanes. I guess it is all a matter of definition...and perspective. But what will you say when i move to Grosse Pointe? |
Citylover Member Username: Citylover
Post Number: 1824 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 7:36 am: | |
This thread originally started discussing MTV real world. Auditions(how the hell do you audition) were held in AA at Scorekeepers; the old AA Dooleys. What I find ironic is that they could have held these auditions anywhere. Perhaps I am wrong but the people chosen for that show are usually young and white with a few hispanics or blacks thrown in. This demographic if that is the right term could be found at WSU,MSU,CMU, OU........etc, etc. Why not put Shakin Jake .." On the move".. on the show? He can talk about the "signifying monkey" the goat and whatever else. Put him with those young co-eds and the ratings would go up and AA would become famous. |
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa
Post Number: 1171 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 9:22 am: | |
quote:But what will you say when i move to Grosse Pointe?
Don't lie. |
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch
Post Number: 1880 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 10:15 am: | |
OK. |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 35 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 1:53 pm: | |
I'd say you could have got a much better deal on a house in Indian Village or in the Palmer Woods area. |
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa
Post Number: 1174 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 2:20 pm: | |
quote:I'd say you could have got a much better deal on a house in Indian Village or in the Palmer Woods area
Ya Dabirch, why don't you give Indian Village a try... huh, huh? |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 5034 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 5:14 pm: | |
What does MTV want to fufill its REAL WORLD reality show? Hip cool white young adults, fresh out of college, some in the working world, party and hang out later at night. Ghetto like African Americans, fresh out of college, more into the hip hop genre with lots of ebonic attitude, black men; more into girls, black woman; more into black men with the money. One charcter must be Gay and the other must be Lesbian. |
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72
Post Number: 283 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 5:18 pm: | |
Danny, are you trying out for the white male roles? |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 5037 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 5:24 pm: | |
NO! |
Statefair80 Member Username: Statefair80
Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 4:50 am: | |
is there guidlines for being a hipster, or is every late teens early twenties white kid in downtown a hipster? |
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch
Post Number: 1881 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 9:18 am: | |
quote: Ya Dabirch, why don't you give Indian Village a try... huh, huh?
Where is this Indian Village of which you speak? And does it have cheap smokes and casinos? |
Vas Member Username: Vas
Post Number: 639 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 1:49 pm: | |
The reason I do it is that in the modern years the French have always looked down upon the U.S. That is how this French/American rift was created. It was your countrymen that begain it, so don't complain when it comes back now. |
Ray Member Username: Ray
Post Number: 792 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 7:09 pm: | |
I don't understand the critism of royal oak. I think its off base and here's why. I've lived in a number of big cities and the thing is they are composed of neighborhoods, each of which is about the size of royal oak. That's what royal oak is... a neighborhood. It doesn't purport to be Midtown NY. Now, it's regrettable that our "neighborhoods" are spread out and not all in the city. But, but I think you could drop the square mile of downtown royal oak and its immediate housing stock anywhere in Chicago north of Armitage or South of Like Jarvis and West of say Western and it would be a great "neighborhood" that a lot of people would want to live in. It seems as nice and urbane as the where I lived for 10 years (Lincoln and Sheffield). Likewise, you could cut out the square mile of downtown birmingham and its dense housing stock and plop it down in San Francisco anywhere west of Van Ness and it would fit in as a lovely and very upscale "neighborhood". So, I think we're too critical of these communities. There small slices of urban life and we ought to be cheering them on. One last quick story. I met a guy from Chicago (Lincoln Park) who just moved to Michigan. Lives in downtown birmingham. I said, "why B'ham" and he said -- exactly as I would have -- "I WANTED TO LIVE IN A CITY AND THIS WAS THE CLOSEST I COULD GET." Like many people moving here from Chicago or NY, he's not ready for Detroit city. It's too rough. But, as a seasoned lover of cities, he sees B'ham as a close facsimlie of the urban he enjoyed elsewhere. Don't get mad... be gratefull that the region has these assets to help attract human capital while the core city is revivied. |
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 87 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 12:30 am: | |
you still see a few hipsters in royal oak, but for the most part the city has become a hangout for the preppy/normal folks that most hipsters & most members of the detroityes community despise.... I'll agree with that. ::grumble, grumble:: -Member of the DetroitYes community who despises the Oak that is Royal. |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 40 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 2:11 am: | |
Careful now your asking for the yuppies on here to tell you to f*ck off as you despise their beloved oak that is royal lol. |