  Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 523 Registered: 11-2005 |
8 pm on Channel 2. | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 524 Registered: 11-2005 |
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Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 239 Registered: 07-2005 |
Devos is getting his a$$ handed to him. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 953 Registered: 01-2005 |
Holy crap! He is stuttering and pausing...what a dork! I've never heard him before....EWWWW!! Is it just me or are the commentator's grandstanding? Not letting, at least Granholm from what I see, respond to the question with an entire statement? Boy he really comes off BAD on screne! | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 241 Registered: 07-2005 |
This is the first debate I've seen with no rules. | ||
Devolian Member Username: Devolian Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2006 |
Watching the debate I am astounded at how much Devos strikes me as a Bush Jr. Devos is digging himself out of holes throughout the whole interview, and usually can't even answer the question being asked... he just changes the subject. Every 4 -5 seconds, Devos puts on a fake smile/smirk to reassure the public he is a likeable, good looking, friendly guy. He comes off as a liar, cheat, scammer, etc. Granholm blew him away. Devos is an idiot. (Message edited by devolian on October 02, 2006) | ||
Naturalsister Member Username: Naturalsister Post Number: 821 Registered: 11-2004 |
My thoughts exactly, Quinn. Jenny has got the man stuttering. She was clearly a better debator. later - naturalsister | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 45 Registered: 09-2006 |
Damn I missed it playing Madden Online, is to going to replay at all? And was he that bad? Grrr.... Damn XBox (Message edited by mayor_sekou on October 02, 2006) | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10712 Registered: 10-2003 |
Granholm is nothing more than a cheerleader. Makes me sick that I'll likely end up voting for her. She has all of the excuses, none of the solutions. Only reason I'll likely end up voting for her is because she will probably help Detroit more. If jobs were the only concern, I'd vote for DeVos in a heartbeat, as things aren't gonna get any better in this state for as long as Granholm is governor. I personally felt Granholm was slinging way more mud. I mean come on, bringing up a nursing home company DeVos invested in and then trying to tie in the sexual assault on senior citizens to DeVos as if he was involved? That's about the lowest blow I've seen by any canidate in a very long time. Then her story changed in regards to it being a $200 million investment to maybe a $170 million investment. Seems like she would have had her facts straight before accusations like that. Funny how people criticize DeVos, having run a company employing around 5,000. Did Granholm employ 5,000 before becoming governor? I know she's responsible for some 83,000 LOST jobs in Michigan. How does that qualify her for 4 more years? Hard to believe some people saw a winner during this debate, I felt I was looking at 2 losers from the start, same when it was over. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 781 Registered: 01-2004 |
"Grrr... Damn XBox" Lol, blame the Xbox. Devos wasn't too articulate at times during this debate. When he wasn't babbling he tried to steer clear of addressing the issues put before him. He kinda looked unprepared. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1382 Registered: 06-2004 |
"bringing up a nursing home company DeVos invested in" If nothing else she got him to admit to something he hadn't disclosed on his supposedly comprehensive disclosure statement | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 707 Registered: 12-2005 |
Her point was to ask what else he hadn't disclosed. She won. Unfortunately, Michigan's problems come from federal, not state, policies. | ||
Tigers2005 Member Username: Tigers2005 Post Number: 101 Registered: 02-2005 |
It made me cringe when she went to the blast about the nursing home incidents. I know what she was driving at, but I felt like she was trying to implicate him in the incident. She didn't need to go to that, since I felt that she looked much more comfortable and prepared to answer questions, and did a better job of it. He looked like a bumbling idiot for the most part. He was avoiding answering any questions that he could. I thought that the outcome was clear. The Gov - 1 ScAmway Dick - 0 | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10713 Registered: 10-2003 |
A federal problem? Bullshit! There are plenty of other states doing great. I read an article today listing job growth in the 20-30% range over the past 4 years. Detroit/Michigan was mentioned in the article, as this state was practically the worst in the nation. Same old "when your canidate don't cut it, point the finger elsewhere" mentality. | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1021 Registered: 12-2004 |
Granholm: better speaker, but blamed everything on the feds. Tried to show deceit where little was to be had. Should focus more on her accomplishments. Devos: worse speaker, which impacted his canned messages. He needs to come across more real. Winner: Other states and foreign nations. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 242 Registered: 07-2005 |
"I know she's responsible for some 83,000 LOST jobs in Michigan. How does that qualify her for 4 more years?" I don't recall her being the CEO for GM, Delphi, or Ford. Those are the peolpe we should be pointing the finger at. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 708 Registered: 12-2005 |
Well, in today's world, it is a federal problem. Those other states don't have the equivalent investment in the auto industry. The auto industry's economics are undeniably tied to foreign trade, far beyond interstate economics. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2984 Registered: 11-2003 |
Another bogus story from Quinn... Given how much he/she likes to inject himself into politics and claims to have attended all these functions and know all these people that know the candidates, it's a little hard to believe that you haven't heard him speak before. That and the fact that you've previously claimed to have heard him speak before and didn't like his tone. Carry on with your bogus stories and bogus analysis. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 1383 Registered: 06-2004 |
check this out for more info on DeVos and the nursing homes (Alterra) | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 709 Registered: 12-2005 |
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Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 971 Registered: 04-2005 |
cripes. i agree. actually, i see three losers - the gubernatorial candidates - and the grabastic, inflammatory "moderator."
hey, wake up! take a look at two-plus decades of growth in the manufacturing sector in bible belt, after the textile industries were hard-hit by the asian markets. if alabama, tennessee, south carolina, georgia, et. al., can create manufacturing jobs - why is the great lakes state losing them at such a remarkable rate??? | ||
Wsukid Member Username: Wsukid Post Number: 151 Registered: 06-2004 |
For those who have not seen the debate here is the link for it. http://wkar.org/specials/debat eforgovernor/ | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 304 Registered: 03-2006 |
The auto industry is just now experiencing the ills other industries have gone through in recent years. (See the steel industry a few years ago, which did receive a federal bailout). Other manufacturing states are doing ok because their manufacturing base is not solely dependent on one manufacturing sector, such as we are in MI with the auto industry. Blaming Granholm for the ills of the auto industry, with its concurrent job loss, is merely a smoke screen to blur the fact that the GOP has led the state for the majority of the last 20-30 years and has done nothing to avoid our current disaster. Despite all of the "business friendly" legislation passed during the Engler regime, including absolute and total immunity for pharmaceutical companies, no jobs have been produced. In fact, the majority of the job loss MI has experienced in the past five years occurred before Engler left office. Furthermore, the pharmaceutical immunity bill has not produced ONE PHARMACEUTICAL JOB IN MI, NOR HAS IT LOWERED THE PRICE OF ANY PHARMACEUTICALS IN MI. We always hear about the GOP creating a "business friendly" environment, yet their business friendly legislation DOES NOT PRODUCE JOBS FOR THE REST OF US. The "business friendly" legislation proffered by the GOP simply does not work to do anything but increase the profit margins of corporate executives who contribute to the GOP for more tax breaks, etc. Additionally, the GOP is taking advantage of the hard times the auto industry is experiencing to promote their agenda of reducing corporate taxes, which does absolutely NOTHING to create jobs. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 46 Registered: 09-2006 |
Thanks for the link Wsukid | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 1532 Registered: 10-2004 |
Well, Ron's baaack! Hey! What kind of "employer" outside of Ron's favorite socialist governments would ever consider hiring the 60+% of Detroiters (errr, victims, quite naturally) that are (dys)functionally illiterate? Even janitor types should be able to read simple labels and such. It would be nice if Ron could come up with real specifics instead of his usual vague generalities that are not directly, logically connected with actual facts and figures. How could Ron put these victims to work w/o their actually looking for employment where the jobs are? (Message edited by livernoisyard on October 03, 2006) | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 763 Registered: 11-2003 |
3 times Bush has cancelled/delayed meetings with the CEOs of Ford, GM and Chrysler. When will he meet with them? | ||
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior Post Number: 3027 Registered: 10-2003 |
Never. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 954 Registered: 01-2005 |
Supersport: "I personally felt Granholm was slinging way more mud. I mean come on, bringing up a nursing home company DeVos invested in and then trying to tie in the sexual assault on senior citizens to DeVos as if he was involved? That's about the lowest blow I've seen by any canidate in a very long time. Then her story changed in regards to it being a $200 million investment to maybe a $170 million investment. Seems like she would have had her facts straight before accusations like that." Ahem. Did you notice he first acted like he just found out about it? He acted like he didn't know anything about the investment "Ah it's a public company there were many investors," then Jenny talked about the amount, suddenly he says it's a bad investment. Come on...now he knows it was a bad investment? I quickly realized what her goal was: Not to blame him for the crap that went on there, but to catch him lying about the "full disclosure" because he might be embarrased about a seedy investment(s) and pose a question in voter's minds about his honesty. They molestation and sexual crap was icing on the cake. The mistake of $170M and $200M...do you really think THAT is the story here? hahahahahah. Whatever! Can't wait for the other debates. Man what a total loser Devos is...I'm actually not worried about him winning now. He reminds me of Hendrix...they both are their own worst enemy! | ||
Eastside Member Username: Eastside Post Number: 928 Registered: 01-2005 |
"...to catch him lying about the "full disclosure" because he might be embarrased about a seedy investment(s) and pose a question in voter's minds about his honesty." ...it's how the far right made Ken Starr a household name..haha. That is, after all, the name of the game. (Message edited by eastside on October 03, 2006) | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1530 Registered: 12-2003 |
The only loser is the citizens of Michigan. We deserve better than those two idiots. Granholm and Devos did nothing but dance around questions, nothing was gained or lost in that debate, becuase neither has the guts to stand and fight what is best for all of us, not just they political interests. All that is for certain is we are once again the losers as no one will take the blame for the mess they have created.
One more thing you did not mention, did it cost any jobs?
US Steel is not the steel industry and the proposed bailout plan by US Steel was to cover over-inflated wages and benefits. Sound a little familiar. (Message edited by _sj_ on October 03, 2006) (Message edited by _sj_ on October 03, 2006) | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1094 Registered: 02-2005 |
"Granholm: better speaker, but blamed everything on the feds. Tried to show deceit where little was to be had. Should focus more on her accomplishments. Devos: worse speaker, which impacted his canned messages. He needs to come across more real. Winner: Other states and foreign nations." 1953, I couldn't agree more. I happened to catch the debate on C-SPAN last night. Since I am not in Mich this was my closest encounter with the candidates. I am glad that I'm not going to have to decide between these two. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10714 Registered: 10-2003 |
So you feel it's the federal government's responsibility to diversify OUR state's economy? I heard her new campaign slogan is "Vote for Jenny....because she doesn't touch old people in funny places." Most mud I've seen slung in a long time. | ||
Track75 Member Username: Track75 Post Number: 2388 Registered: 10-2003 |
Does it really matter? Is Bush going to hand off product plans for a Camry-beater? Or issue an executive order that frees GM/F/DCX from their health care and pension liabilities? Or force China to float the Yuan? Any meeting is just for appearances. The automakers continually lobby congress and the executive branch for their interests. Nothing magical will happen with a meeting. A face-to-face meeting is just for PR. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10715 Registered: 10-2003 |
That meeting is Granholm trying to save face, nothing more. Putting forth her best offort for an industry that she says we are too dependent on. Is it too late for a 3rd canidate to enter the race? | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 8860 Registered: 10-2003 |
If someone had to pick a winner between these two I would have to say Granholm kicked DeVos' ass. BTW Sport, Engler lost more jobs than Granholm and she has had to contend with the manufacturing doldrums from the get go. Granholm pushed the blame, but DeVos was caught in lie after lie. What an a-hole this fool is. If you have to pick one, at least with Granholm you already know what you have. With DeVos...yikes! | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2985 Registered: 11-2003 |
Quinn, you are the last person that should ever speak about honesty. Afterall, you were once again caught lying in this thread. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 305 Registered: 03-2006 |
The pharmaceutical immunity bill was NOT touted as one that was aiming to prevent job loss, but rather as a bill that would "create a more hospitable business climate" in MI. Therefore your point is totally irrelevant. If MI is so business friendly as a result of the extremist Republican policies enacted under Engler and the GOP legislature, why are we in our current state of funk? Perhaps those "business friendly" policies aren't really all that friendly to promoting business. And Livernois, my post had nothing to do with the state of public education in MI, which I believe to be dismally insufficient. I am a strong proponent of individual responsibility, and have stated so repeatedly. Additionally, you accuse me of not substantiating my arguments, yet you have done nothing to refute the accurate assertion that more jobs were lost under Engler than Granholm. Furthermore, it is the total failure of our business leaders in MI to promote the diversification of our economy. As an extremist right-winger, I find your assertions that Michigan's current economy is the fault of Governor Granholm rather laughable, particularly since you are supposed to stand for less government intrusion into business. (See the 10th Amendment to the US Const, which you extremist right-wingers like to carry around in your pocket) So she is damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't in your book, right Livernois? Jeez, at least be consistent in your "criticisms." | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 955 Registered: 01-2005 |
Ah inuendo and rumor...lest we forget hypocrisy. Great to have you back MetroLoser. My nostrils are filled with the sweet stench of your ill-conceived premises and simple-minded humor. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2986 Registered: 11-2003 |
Sorry Quinn, but you are also the last person that should ever talk about innuendo, rumor ("Mildred Gaddis is really a man"), and hypocrisy, ill-conceived premises, simple-minded humor (i.e. Nazi photoshops) in addition to honesty. Given your own admissions on this forum about your alternative lifestyle, your nostrils are filled with something else. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 956 Registered: 01-2005 |
AWESOME! Good one...Didn't know you had it in you. Congratulations Metro! | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 957 Registered: 01-2005 |
Shocking report just in from the Independant Press/News Interpreter from South Central Mid Michigan... To celebrate his "victory" in last nights debate, Dick Devos went out on the town with long-time supporter and close friend Mark Foley (R-former) and chief political advisor John Smith of Novi Michigan, commonly known by his online handle, "MetroDetGuy." The three were snapped here and are featured on the society page of Tuesday's edition...  | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 795 Registered: 06-2004 |
Her smear on the nursing home was OUTRAGEOUS. He owned 1% of a publicly traded company. He is no more responsible for that scandal the governor is for the activities of the companies whose stock sits in her 401K plan. She is a monster with no shred of decency or honesty. She obviously has utter contempt for the intelligence of the state's voters and sadly she's probably judged them about right. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 959 Registered: 01-2005 |
Hey Roy...why didn't devos put that investment in his "disclosure?" It would have shown in his tax records from the past 10 years. It wasn't so much as a smear as it was a ruse to call him out...and it worked like a charm. He's hiding stuff alright...now we know it! | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2987 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hey Quinn, guess what else shows up in tax records for 10 years, Granholm's failure to pay taxes on her family's nanny. DeVos didn't put the investment on his disclosure because he no longer owned the shares. Again Quinn, you are the last person on this forum that should be talking about getting called out and hiding stuff. And speaking of "working like a charm", none of your tactics on this forum would fit that bill. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 960 Registered: 01-2005 |
AH! I was about to go to bed dissapointed...then shazaam....YEAH! Um...that's a pretty heavy statement about her nanny...do you have proof? I think that if she failed to pay taxes on the family's nanny then that's a problem...you really should contact someone in the media with that info. If Devos showed his tax records like everyone else, we'd know about that company. Maybe he was embarrased to show that and so let out this bogus "only what I own now" disclosure. Fact is...if he's hiding this...what else is he hiding by not releasing his taxes? That was the point of her slam. When was the last time you heard of a political candidate getting a pass on a "shady" ownership/investment/deal just because he didn't own it anymore. When did he sell it? 2 minutes before he produced his "disclosure?" Christ! I think you're the last person we should look to for honesty, or even the smallest bit of intelligence. Thanks for making my night, dumbass. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2988 Registered: 11-2003 |
Quinn, the Granholm/Mulhern nanny issue was already covered in the media. Surely someone with "all of your political connections" would have known of this story already, unless you are lying again. Using your own "reasoning", what about the State of Michigan's investments in similar health manangement companies that have faced similar allegations of abuse? And I'm sure that you're lying about going to bed too. No doubt you'll be up photoshopping more pictures that mirror your own shady lifestyle. Bottom line, you are a weirdo and a fake. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 1071 Registered: 01-2004 |
" I know she's responsible for some 83,000 LOST jobs in Michigan. " Compared to Englers 250,000. Put the blame where it belongs, complete mismanagement of the auto companies. If they could make competitive product they wouldnt need to default on health care and pensions and lay people off in order to satisfy insatiable stock holders. Those companies are responsible more than anyone for damaging our quality of life in Michigan. DeVos sputtered like a broken robot, spitting out speaking points and then changing what he was saying mid sentence. Never held political office, never gave a public speech that wasnt to a captive employee audience - and obviously never had debate or forensics in school. Take that damn silver spoon out yer mouth and finish your sentences big boy. Judas Granholm is an ass - but I aint going to be responsible for voting to let Amway run our State. Alticor-atcha. | ||
Wazootyman Member Username: Wazootyman Post Number: 133 Registered: 02-2006 |
Exactly. I really don't think the governer has had much to do with the domestic auto industry decline, but some people hold her accountable for every single job lost. I thought DeVos looked childish, and while I'm not the biggest fan of Granholm, I really appreciated her emphasis on education. An educated workforce will attract businesses to Michigan more than any single tax cut ever will. We don't want the manufacturing jobs to come back, because if they do, they're not here to stay. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 962 Registered: 01-2005 |
Metro you are the one that says I have the political connections. You just proved yourself wrong I guess. I'll take my "wierdo" over your "complete-f'ing-moron" any day! "If being a wierdo in your eyes is wrong, I don't wanna be right." SO, anyway...did you have fun with the boys on Tuesday night Metro? I hear supersport took the picture... | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1531 Registered: 12-2003 |
Everytime I see this I can stop laughing. They make competitive products, the problem is they are overpriced because of those health care costs and pensions. They both looked childish, one looks kinda of like GWB and other is a tax loving bitch. More dread is ahead. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2989 Registered: 11-2003 |
Sorry Quinn, you've been caught lying once again. It is in fact you that has alternated stories of being "very politically connected" with being "a mere volunteer". Nice try. And sorry but you're both a weirdo as well as a complete-f'ing-moron. And sorry but you're the only one that "has fun with boys". Unless you're changing your story again. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 964 Registered: 01-2005 |
Ew...now you're just a liar and SO not funny. You really sound like an asshat. Note to metrodet's mother: How the f' did you raise such a retard? It's a good thing the state gives social assistance to people like you who raise handicap children, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to afford the Mac-N-Cheese and hamburger-helper you shoved down his throat every night. (btw...your son is now a conservative and votes for people who would take away that social assistance check) | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 8870 Registered: 10-2003 |
...another thread in the shitter because of two people trying to measure who blows who and who's dick is bigger (both are inverted). (Message edited by GOAT on October 05, 2006) | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 530 Registered: 11-2005 |
Yeah why don't you guys exchange email addresses and bicker off the board? It really is getting old. | ||
Metrodetguy Member Username: Metrodetguy Post Number: 2990 Registered: 11-2003 |
Geez, where the heck were these "concerned" posters when Quinn was posting pictures with candidates as Nazis and accusing candidates of being pedophiles and sexual abuse? | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 965 Registered: 01-2005 |
Ya I'm sorry Pam. Metro has a history of threadjacking with me in particular. And it's so easy to get his goat...I do so enjoy it. I'll do my best to ignore from now on...it will be hard though. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 966 Registered: 01-2005 |
Goat, that's hypocritical coming from you. I remember some choice my-dick-is-bigger-than-your's- moments coming from you. Anyway...I agree with both of you and will do my best. Speaking of not threadjacking...has anyone seen a poll since the debate? |
