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Mind_field
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 10:21 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So there is this term in urban planning circles called critical mass. IMO, it's something that can't be measured finitely, so saying a city's core has critical mass is subjective. In this week's issue of Model D media, there is an article about walkable urbanity in metro Detroit. In the article, they were interviewing some urban planning guy who stated that several downtowns of major cities have reached critical mass including San Diego, Portland, Seattle, and CHATANOOGA!

When do you think downtown Detroit will reach critical mass, if you think it hasn't happened already? What events will precipitate this apex of urbanity, if they haven't yet happened already? What is preventing downtown Detroit from reaching critical mass?

Discuss.
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Focusonthed
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 10:48 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Parking lots.

But seriously, it's more the general aversion to walking that permeates Metro Detroit. Same as in LA, walking, riding a bike, or taking public transit is seen by the majority as something for the poor or crazy.
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Grey
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 10:49 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The last Friday of every month.

http://www.criticalmassdetroit .org/
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Stecks77
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 10:54 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's the Model D link:

http://www.modeldmedia.com/fea tures/umuli67.aspx
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 11:45 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We can define critical mass with regards to different things/ideas.

I think we've reached the critical mass (or let's say tipping point) when it comes to people being comfortable with downtown, enough so that the largest crowds in a couple decades are down there regularly, and enough so that there is clear positive momentum in terms of increasing population.

When it comes to actual critical mass of population and retail, we will not reach it until there are enough people downtown or enough people willing to go downtown such that nearly all (95% +) the storefronts are occupied. Not even Woodward's storefronts are completely occupied.

Total critical mass means that the above stipulation is met, and we no longer have abandoned buildings (we may have some vacant apartments and offices, but not completely undeveloped buildings), and that parking lots are beginning to be built on. When the Broderick and Whitney and UA and Lafayette and Free Press and BC and Fort Shelby buildings are all rehabbed, and when prime real estate like the Monroe Block or the plots on Woodward near Comerica Park are no longer flat.
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Dougw
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 12:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That Model D article was excellent. Here's an interesting excerpt:


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Christopher Leinberger: ... Consumer research divides the world into three categories: Folks that want walkable urbanity; folks that want what I refer to as drivable suburbanism; and folks that don't know what they want. The research shows that 30-40 percent of us, depending on the metropolitan area, want drivable suburbanism; 30-40 percent want walkable urbanity; and 30 percent can't figure out what they want. If you've got 30-40 percent that want walkable urbanity, here in the Detroit metropolitan area like 5 percent of the housing stock is in a walkable environment — and I'm trying to be generous.

Model D: If there's so much demand for walkable neighborhoods, why only 5 percent here?

Christopher Leinberger: There is this pendulum. For years and years, this would be in your great-grandfather's era, they didn't have a choice but to live in walkable urbanity — they didn't have cars, or very few cars. They had streetcars or you walked around. Life was much more confined. … It just came naturally that we built cities for thousands of years that were walkable.

We then discovered that there was another way of doing things. So we take the pendulum and push it all the way over. It became our domestic policy as a country — it really was a giant social engineering experiment where we said we were going to subsidize it, we were going to make it the only thing legal to build. Mixed-use walkable product became illegal, and is illegal in most jurisdictions here in this state. We said we are only going to finance and buy and trade this kind of product that is drivable. So, we in real estate really just learned that product. …

We're now pushing the pendulum back and it's for simple reasons. Bernie Gleiberman (of Detroit's Crosswinds Communities) said it best last week at lunch: The bright spot in the Michigan real estate market right now is the city of Detroit. Last year the city of Detroit led the state in building permits. Last year was the first year in I bet three decades where building permits outnumbered demolition permits. Demolition permits, by the way, are mostly single-family homes. Building permits are mostly multifamily homes. So, things are changing.

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My only quibble would be that I'd assume the Detroit metro area skews a bit toward preferring drivable suburbanism, due to the regional car culture. Say, 40-50% preferring drivable suburbanism, 20-30% preferring walkable urbanism, and 30% who don't know what they want. But that's still a huge number of people who'd like to live in a walkable urban environment, *way* more than enough to make downtown Detroit a vibrant area.

The bit about the pendulum is dead-on, though.
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Kilgore_south
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 12:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hell even 20-30% would be enough to fill most of the City. But to make most of the city truly walkable, of course, you'd need light rail or streetcars or an expanded people mover, and I really don't want to open that can of worms in this thread.

Oops.
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Danindc
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To be perfectly honest, no one really knows what anyone wants. Suburbia has been subsidized for so long, that it's the only realistic (or legal) option in most places. On top of that, any survey or poll would only catch responses from a fleeting moment in time. For example, when the Highway Trust Fund goes broke in six years, or gas reaches $4/ gallon, how many people are realistically going to "prefer" driveable suburbia?

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