  Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 181 Registered: 01-2004 |
With the Book Cadillac development it has been stated that there will a number of retail spaces, as well as a restaurant. Specifically, I can’t remember which publication it was, but there was talk about an upscale steak joint. With that being said, is this going to be a local place? Or maybe a chain such as Ruth’s Chris’s ect….What are some suggestion that people think would fit well here? I would think this may be a nice location for a Capital Grill. This is a pretty common steak/burger joint that I have been to in a number of cities, specifically DC and Minneapolis that caters to upper scale crowds. This could be the ideal fit. Would anyone else have suggestions over what they would like to see? (Message edited by tkelly1986 on November 09, 2006) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3237 Registered: 10-2003 |
Stake? I am assuming that this place isn't vampire friendly... | ||
Stecks77 Member Username: Stecks77 Post Number: 180 Registered: 08-2006 |
Kobe Beef Steak House would be nice. Mmmmm... Please no cheap chains. Whatever its going to be you can count on it being expensive. Westin hotels and million dollar condo's equal $20 plus entree's. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 581 Registered: 11-2004 |
The developer said that it would upscale chain. | ||
Superduperman Member Username: Superduperman Post Number: 164 Registered: 01-2005 |
Ruth's Chris would be nice. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 182 Registered: 11-2003 |
Ruth's Chris is the worst name for a restaurant EVER. The Troy location is also the worst looking building for a restaurant I have ever seen. | ||
Ltrain Member Username: Ltrain Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ah but the steaks. Delish. | ||
Kenp Member Username: Kenp Post Number: 124 Registered: 03-2006 |
We have a Don Shula Steak House in Troy, and when I was in DC I ate at one that was in a hotel. Thats a possibility. I always thought it would be a Mortons for the book. Or maybe this http://www.book-cadillac.org/t our/englishroom.html | ||
Swiburn Member Username: Swiburn Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2006 |
And I read that there would be a seafood restaurant, also. | ||
Ron Member Username: Ron Post Number: 312 Registered: 03-2006 |
Ruth's Chris or Morton's would be great. They should add another restaurant.................... CHEESECAKE FACTORY  (Sorry, I couldn't resist) Ps to Lowell: Love the spell check function (Funny, it caught me on spell check; I had it as one word) | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 313 Registered: 01-2006 |
Long John Silvers!! | ||
Thnk2mch Member Username: Thnk2mch Post Number: 491 Registered: 02-2006 |
Cheesesteak Factory, perhaps? | ||
Dalangdon Member Username: Dalangdon Post Number: 98 Registered: 03-2006 |
Starwood doesn't like to operate the restaurants in their hotels - they just want to do catering, lobby bars and room service, so I'm sure it will be outsourced. But probably not a chain restaurant. If it is a chain, it will most likely be something like Mortons or Ruth Chris. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2003 |
Wow, Detroiter's really need to open their horizons and experience non-chain restaurants. There a whole world out there, open your stomachs. | ||
Publicmsu Member Username: Publicmsu Post Number: 683 Registered: 11-2003 |
Sally's shrimp shack and potato bar! Yummmmmmm! | ||
Kenp Member Username: Kenp Post Number: 125 Registered: 03-2006 |
"Guests and visitors can enjoy a nationally–known steakhouse, sports bar, coffee franchise and high–end retail, all with convenient access from the hotel lobby and street." - Ferchill website We are only speculating on the "nationally-known steakhouse" | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1411 Registered: 11-2003 |
Ponderosa. Now that's what I call upscale. | ||
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313 Post Number: 239 Registered: 02-2006 |
I'm still waiting for the word from the Gerbers for a new Stone Rose Detroit. They cancelled the contract with Starwood 9 months ago, but only on selected properties. www.mocbars.com 313 | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1290 Registered: 04-2005 |
Nothing says fine seafood like:  | ||
Hardhat Member Username: Hardhat Post Number: 182 Registered: 10-2003 |
I was on a walk-thru at the Book with developer John Ferchill. He specifically mentioned Morton's as the kind of steakhouse he's like to see in there. | ||
Beantown Member Username: Beantown Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2006 |
One thing that I've noticed is that there is a different set of restaurants slated to operate in the B-C, depending on the quoted source. Most indicate a steak house and a Starbucks (or generic "coffee franchise"). But as for the second restaurant, I have heard either seafood restaurant or sports bar. I wonder which it will be. Ferchill's site says sports bar: http://www.ferchillgroup.com/b ookcadillac2.shtml Yesterday's Free Press Article says upscale seafood: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=2006611080306 Perhaps we can hope for both, for a total of three restaurants? | ||
Busterwmu Member Username: Busterwmu Post Number: 293 Registered: 09-2004 |
Maybe a Sander's confectionaries? MMMmmmmmm | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 339 Registered: 04-2006 |
Ted's Soul Food & the Steak Hut. | ||
Iddude313 Member Username: Iddude313 Post Number: 33 Registered: 07-2005 |
Roothsths Chriths? hmmm | ||
Tkangas_23 Member Username: Tkangas_23 Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2006 |
How about a Kruse and Muer? | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2006 |
In terms of the coffee house, I believe that Starbucks has committed to the space in the BC | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 490 Registered: 08-2006 |
Are you talking about Joe Muers or Chuck Muers? I thought Joe Muer's restaurant went bankrupt? | ||
Ericdfan Member Username: Ericdfan Post Number: 172 Registered: 08-2005 |
brenda's beans and greens | ||
Superduperman Member Username: Superduperman Post Number: 165 Registered: 01-2005 |
Fire Mountain aka Ryans. | ||
Mattric43 Member Username: Mattric43 Post Number: 69 Registered: 03-2006 |
Ponderosa mmmmmmm What about Applebees or TGI Fridays or even outback steakhouse. These are all popular around hotels now for some reason or even a Dennys. Now I'm really getting hungry!! Note to reader: These were all jokes and not to be taken seriously. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused. Thank you. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2003 |
Chains are not going to attract people downtown. Why would you travel all the way downtown to go to a chain when you can go to your local mall or down the street from your suburban home? Royal Oak became popular because it has unique dining destinations like Mongolian, Monterey, Beruit palace, Memphis smoke, etc. | ||
Mattric43 Member Username: Mattric43 Post Number: 72 Registered: 03-2006 |
One again it was a joke and how unique is Mongolian Barbeque or any of those restaurants Honestly? | ||
Quickdrawmcgraw Member Username: Quickdrawmcgraw Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2005 |
If it's a seafood restaurant, I wouldn't be surprised if Southern Hospitality Group would get it. He was quoted before wanting to open a moderate to high end seafood restaurant. | ||
Psip Member Username: Psip Post Number: 1293 Registered: 04-2005 |
Even though it was meant as a joke, people do need places to eat both lunch and dinner. Of course Morton's and the other places are fine high end dinning, there is a place for low to mid end places too. When the chain restaurant's start popping up, it will be a sign that downtown is vibrant. They work on volume. | ||
Dalangdon Member Username: Dalangdon Post Number: 99 Registered: 03-2006 |
With very few exceptions (mostly where the restaurant has been in the hotel for decades and has a following) hotels are not interested in drawing people in for their restaurants anymore. They just want a nice place for their guests to eat. They're not going to bar the door to people coming in, and they want a place that reflects well on the facility, but the days of truly fine dining in hotels is over. That's too bad, in my opinion, but that's what happens when the bean counters take over. Part of the blame should be on the American public, who by and large would rather go to something bland and known like Cheesecake Factory or Applebees than try something different. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 500 Registered: 08-2006 |
Where is the nearest cheesecake factory to Detroit anyway, I love me sone cheesecake. | ||
Quickdrawmcgraw Member Username: Quickdrawmcgraw Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2005 |
It'll be at Twelve Oaks Mall (why isn't @ Somerset?) when they finish that new wing. | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 503 Registered: 08-2006 |
That's good, but needs to be closer. | ||
Mattric43 Member Username: Mattric43 Post Number: 74 Registered: 03-2006 |
Psip I certainly agree. If there are chain Restaurants in the city that does mean that the city is on the up swing. I also agree that not every restaurant in Detroit should be upscale and not a chain restaurant. I think that Hotels should have a middle of the road restaurant that is not a chain for two reasons that I have heard on here before. One is so everyone can afford it. Not to expensive but still maybe a step up from the norm. Also I agree with the fact that hotels do not need a chain restaurant since the guest most likely has that same place in their city. | ||
Tkangas_23 Member Username: Tkangas_23 Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2006 |
Kruse and Muer are joint restaraunts serving classy seafood and pasta dishes. They have locations in Rochester, Troy, and Lake Orion | ||
Dtown1 Member Username: Dtown1 Post Number: 512 Registered: 08-2006 |
oh, ty Tkangas_23 | ||
Dalangdon Member Username: Dalangdon Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2006 |
I would prefer to see a regional chain because it adds local flavor AND those companies tend to treat their employees better (which makes for better service and better food) It will have to be an upscale chain, because Westin is Starwood's upscale brand. When you are charing 200-300 bucks a night you aren't going to have an Applebees in the Lobby. I'm actually kind of suprised they'd have a Starbucks, because those are getting so omnipresent. Call me old-fashioned, but I liked it better when there was a Chef de Cuisine, who oversaw the whole operation (catering, Dining Room, Room Service and "Coffee Shop") and took proprietary pride in his kitchen and his restaurants. Westin, prior to the Starwood acquisition, used to be one of the lead proponents of that tradition, but that's a dying breed now. You only see it at the really high-end houses (Four Seaons/Ritz-Carlton/Fairmont, etc) While you can, in all probablility, never go back to the days where places like the Book-Cadillac operated five or six restaurants, you can still have excellence of a sort. The big chains aren't interested - but they still want those five-star room rates. | ||
Foodandwine Member Username: Foodandwine Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2006 |
Good Luck to Any restaurant that does open. | ||
Quickdrawmcgraw Member Username: Quickdrawmcgraw Post Number: 90 Registered: 10-2005 |
True, but we need to have "good" restaurants where the food and the service is "great". People will pay for good food and service. I hate restaurants that give you the all the ambience but the food is not palatable or fulfilling. | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 187 Registered: 01-2004 |
Personally, I think they need to create a destination restaurant; something that will draw people in from the suburbs. If you put a restaurant in that is already in Troy, Southfield, Rochester ect….what is the incentive for people to come downtown to the restaurant. Another Kraus and Mauers is nice, but not going to cut the muster…..Something unique is needed to keep this thing afloat and bring new people into the city; which is what we need. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 268 Registered: 03-2006 |
Cheesesteak factory | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 269 Registered: 03-2006 |
damn someone beat me to that joke | ||
Ednaturnblad Member Username: Ednaturnblad Post Number: 2 Registered: 09-2006 |
why not bring back the London Chop House in the BC? talk about a distinctly Detroit venue that in it's day could surpass any of big steak chains. | ||
Gumby Member Username: Gumby Post Number: 1464 Registered: 11-2003 |
Yeah nothing says Detroit like a place called the LONDON Chop House. Yeah I know it was a popular restaurant for years but I am just amused by the irony of that statement. "To the grammar police I know irony isn't the correct term to use here but for the life on me right now I can't think of the correct term" | ||
Drankin21 Member Username: Drankin21 Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2003 |
How about Sullivan's? Been to a few on the East Coast and in Chicago. Like it better than Ruth's Chris, Cap Grill or Morton's. Whatever the choice, there needs to be a destination restaurant downtown that out of towners can recognize. Somewhere they can get a great meal without having to rely on someone to tell them where the best local Detroit place is. | ||
Downtown_dave Member Username: Downtown_dave Post Number: 95 Registered: 07-2005 |
Ferchill could kill two birds with one stone by installing Cameron's Steakhouse and Mitchell's Fish Market on the premises. Both are operated by the same company (Columbus Ohio-based Cameron Mitchell Restaurants) and already have Michigan experience with their outlets in Birmingham (both venues) and Livonia and Rochester Hills (just the Fish Market). The Fish Market is very good. Have not been to the steakhouse. Perhaps this was Ferchill's plan all along - since he focused on these two restaurant types? An easy "fit," but not necessarily the best choice for the Book Cadillac. As for the sports bar - Lindell's, of course. | ||
Dbc Member Username: Dbc Post Number: 9 Registered: 09-2006 |
Ruth's Chris and McCormick & Schmick's. Haven't eaten at the former, but eat often at the latter and have always had a great meal. |
