Kpm Member Username: Kpm
Post Number: 18 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 9:02 am: | |
Sunday, December 3, 10am - 4:30pm Light My Fire, the 2006 Palmer Woods Home Tour, featuring four magnificent homes in one of Detroit's premier neighborhoods, including the Bishop's Mansion and a mini-designer showhouse, dressed for the holidays. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20061125/L IFESTYLE01/611250370 http://www.palmerwoods.org/eve ntsA.html |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 1735 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 8:47 am: | |
Queen of the castle November 28, 2006 BY DESIREE COOPER "For years, the Jackson family gathered nearly every Sunday at Big Mama's house. Actually, it's not the mama who's big, it's her house that's big. Really big. Corinne Bozeman, great-grandmother of 13, is the mistress of the largest house in the city of Detroit: the so-called Bishop's Mansion in Palmer Woods. Sitting on 4 acres, the home is more than 35,000 square feet. By comparison, the White House is 55,000 square feet, and the Whitney, the historic mansion-restaurant on Woodward in Detroit's Cultural Center, is 21,000. "This is a real homey home," said Bozeman. "The great-grandkids come here and run around and play. Nothing is off-limits." If you want to get a taste of mansion hospitality, you're in luck. Everyone's invited to Mama Bozeman's big house on Sunday; it's one of four homes on display during the annual Palmer Woods home tour. ..." Full article at: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20061128/NEW S05/611280312/1007 |
Dusty Member Username: Dusty
Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:30 am: | |
How sad, this is the so called man of God who went to New Orleans and brought the people back to stay in a hotel. Why did they not stay at the "Bishop's" mansion, or his home in Bloomfield Hills??? Why did they have to ride in a bus instead of his Bentley??? Why did'nt he arrange for them to fly back to Detroit?? This is just another example of a preacher pimping and exploiting the gospel. Every Sunday fleecing the flock for more money. The volunteers are told they are "sowing" into the Bishops life, this equates to "free labor"! Seed Offering which are NOT in the bible are nothing more than a modern day fund raiser. All the christian martyrs who died and are still dying in West Africa for the gospel would not be impressed by this article. How about using the money you receive and send blankets and food and clothes and bibles to the people who are being terriorized and murdered daily for the gospel of Jesus Christ. People wake up read your church history you will find there is nothing new is under the sun. These type of preachers are the modern day "Daddy Grace" and "Father Divine", oh don't forget "Rev Ike". The mansion the resort vacation spots, the best schools for their children, the Bentley's, the Bloomfield home,the expensive shoes and clothes,the business, the millions of dollars in the bank, the stocks, etc. all supplied by your "tithes and offerings". You wonder why you don't see a lot of men in church, it is because of men like this! |
Janesback Member Username: Janesback
Post Number: 160 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:36 am: | |
Great post above. Sad thing, many senior citizens send their little amounts that they skrimp on to these supposed preachers , do without meds and services because they truly believe that this is what they are supposed to do. Then people like Tammy Faye Baker and her husband Jim, as well as Jimmy Swaggart found in a hotel room with a hooker, and what is their explanation.......... "Father , forgive me, for I have sinned"... yah, right........ a bunch of theives in sheeps clothing. |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 1752 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 9:18 am: | |
Last day to buy advance tickets at one of these locations: Blossoms -- 33866 Woodward Ave, Birmingham, 248-644-4411 Detroit Gallery of Contemporary Crafts -- Fisher Bldg, Detroit, 313-873-7888 Terry's Enchanted Gardens -- 19338 Livernois, Detroit, 313-342-3758 Sullivan Cleaners -- 431 W. 9 Mile, Ferndale, 248-543-2400 Pronto! 600 S. Washington Blvd, Royal Oak, 248-544-7900 |
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248
Post Number: 220 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 5:14 pm: | |
Unless you know for sure how this person got their money to buy their home, all you are showing is your ignorance and that you are as gullible as the people you are feeling "sorry" for. I for one, can't wait to see the beautiful home! |
Alexei289 Member Username: Alexei289
Post Number: 1229 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 5:37 pm: | |
.... Is it just me... or doesnt it seem that the only commercial buildings that are booming right now are schools and churches? I have never seen so many rediculously huge churches in my life go up in such a short time. To me it just seems so money oriented... designed to take 5% of your income.. like a machine. Last artical i read clearly stated that 35% of all "sermons" done by these people are asking for money. ... nothing like selling your soul for a profit . It seems to be worth alot of money... |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 1104 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 6:30 pm: | |
quote:To me it just seems so money oriented... designed to take 5% of your income.. like a machine.
That's a slightly better return than a slot machine. Maybe if you hit the jackpot you get your soul refunded. ;-) I'm sure not all churches are like that but there do seem to be more "for profit" churches around today than years ago. Somehow I think strip mall churches just wouldn't have gone over too well in the 50s. Times change. |
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248
Post Number: 221 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 6:44 pm: | |
Well, taken by the comments on this thread, I don't think the majority of people are that gullible. People give a lot more than 5% of their money all the time to less noble professions - pornography, drug dealers, lottery machines, casinos, etc. If people's faith leads them to believe that God blesses those who tithe, they have every right to believe that. My opinion remains unchallenged - its none of our business how other people decide to spend "their" money. |
Karl Member Username: Karl
Post Number: 5229 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 12:38 am: | |
Many folks consider their church as part of their family. Families talk openly and often about money. Yet some consider it less than worthy when church families talk openly about money, the need for it, what it will be used for, etc. Methinks a tiny bit of guilt causes folks like Dusty to lash out (odd on a thread with this subject via post #1) Based on an article based on a book discussed in another thread, I suspect the complainers are both liberal and non-religious. Just a guess. I hope those lucky enough to go on this great tour report back - it sounds great and I wish I could attend. |
Kathinozarks Member Username: Kathinozarks
Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 1:04 am: | |
Yvette248, People who show off their material wealth turn me off. Especially if they are religious leaders of men. Aren't there all kinds of passages in the Bible that tell people to be more concerned with the riches in heaven than the riches in this world? The Bishop's, and many other religious leaders, lavish lifestyle is off-putting to many. |
Karl Member Username: Karl
Post Number: 5232 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 1:30 am: | |
To purchase a 35,000 sq ft facility with this historical status for under $1M and use it for ministry sounds pretty savvy to me. Their multipurpose use, as they maintain an important landmark in/for the COD seems far more efficient than many organizations I've seen. |
Kathinozarks Member Username: Kathinozarks
Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 2:07 am: | |
Good point, Karl. But I just thought of something; isn't he tax exempt because he uses the home for 'church' functions and fund raisers and stuff. He can write everything off, can't he. No money to the city. I hope I'm wrong and that he and his family are upstanding citizens. |
Karl Member Username: Karl
Post Number: 5234 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 8:37 am: | |
Perhaps the property is tax-exempt, something we allow for religious uses. but certainly you don't wish the property to fall into disrepair, or worse, burn down like its sister property next door? While this home is the largest in Detroit, the one that burned (after years of neglect/scrapping) was the most expensive ever built in the city and the largest at the time (a few years before the Bishop's Mansion) Yes, it was on the tax rolls - but never will be again. |
Pam Member Username: Pam
Post Number: 722 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 5:15 pm: | |
Went on this tour today. Bishop's house was impressive of course, the Balmoral house and Lucerne house, not so much. The people I was with got cold and wanted to go, so I missed the Cumberland house. Can anyone who went in describe it? |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 1756 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 6:37 pm: | |
Still thawing out after being chilled to the bone... The line to get into the Bishop's Mansion was an hour long wait, and it never seemed to get shorter until late afternoon. It was another 45-minute wait to get into the Cumberland Designer Showcase House. (and when I left Palmer Woods at 4:35, there was still a line with some 35 people at the Cumberland house.) The Designer Showcase House on Cumberland the most interesting architecturally of the 4 houses because the diverse look of its exterior with the brick, aschlar stone, wood beams, and slate tile roof. Inside, only the first floor was furnished...by the selected interior designers and antiques dealers. Although the rooms were very nice to look at, I was more interested in the house itself and so tried to look through the temporary decor. The foyer has a Pewabic tile floor. There is a curved staircase up to the 2nd floor (corresponding to the turret next to the front door). The Library features a limestone fireplace with floor-to-ceiling panelled walls, probably a fruitwood. The living room had white stucco walls and white ceilings with Large white painted beams. It shares with the dining room a two-sided brick fireplace wall (full length of the DR, while only the mid-section of the LR). Off the DR is a Sunroom added c.1950. Kitchen has a breakfast nook, butler's pantry, and fully renovated work area. Upstairs are 6 bedrooms. BTW...the Cumberland house is for sale...with an asking price of $649,900. |
Pam Member Username: Pam
Post Number: 723 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 9:00 pm: | |
Thanks Kathleen. We got to PW about 10:15 and did the Bishop's house first, so the wait wasn't too bad. I wish we had done the Cumberland house second instead of going in the order in the tour book. |
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