  Aschar76 Member Username: Aschar76 Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2006 |
Just three blocks over people live with this on the block.  | ||
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313 Post Number: 257 Registered: 02-2006 |
that's terrible.313 | ||
Aschar76 Member Username: Aschar76 Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2006 |
Four block over to the New MotorCity. This Detroiter just givin up.  Thanks to DPD for caring to get him up after he was frozen to the ground.He would have Died there.  | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 395 Registered: 12-2003 |
How do you spell progress....C A S I N O!~~~ | ||
Aschar76 Member Username: Aschar76 Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2006 |
Christmas lights from three homes were the people still try.    | ||
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw Post Number: 302 Registered: 07-2005 |
Those decorations are intense! | ||
Hagglerock Member Username: Hagglerock Post Number: 349 Registered: 03-2005 |
Aschar, Great pics. Keep em coming! -D | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1114 Registered: 12-2005 |
With all these inflatables, it's only a matter of time before someone fills a santa's sleigh inflatable with helium and lets it loose over Detroit.  | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 192 Registered: 11-2005 |
Is there any copper wiring in those Christmas lights? | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2006 |
Detnews has a casino article today. As I've indicated in other posts, I really hate the Motor City Casino site. Casinos belong south of the Fisher so they can be with other commercial development. I wonder if after all three are complete if the "market place" will declare a certain casino the new winner. If Greektown had built near Ford Field I'd thing they'd have the best location. MGM Grand is still too far from CoPa, Ford Field, etc. but has a decent location. Motor City Casino... Too bad all that Motor City wants is for folks to drive, park, gamble and go back to their cars and drive home. How exciting. ;-) | ||
Detroitbill Member Username: Detroitbill Post Number: 110 Registered: 09-2006 |
Good pics,, interesting,,, Personally I was very glad Greektown decided to stay in Greektown, prior to their existence in the mid 90s Greektown was starting to be taken over by thug like gangs of kids late at night ,,crime was starting to increase and it was beginning to look very unsafe. Revenue in restaurants was starting to decline badly. Policing was very poor. Many, many people I know refused to come down there in the mid 90s at night.... I didn't like walking at night there myself which is something I always had done from my home in Lafayette Park.. When Greektown opened up( love it or hate it) it did provide steady traffic with all types of people once again strolling the streets,with increased police presence, which inturn stabilized the area. I was hoping Greektown would stay as I was very afraid that the area was going to begin to collapse again as it had prior to the Casino location there. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10957 Registered: 10-2003 |
Aschar76, I guess you were unable to take pictures of the 3 dozen new infill homes that you drove passed. Instead, you chose to look for one of the only homes that had been burned by an arsonist. So, if people don't have Christmas decorations up, then they quit trying, like the guy sitting on the ground next to his bike? You were in one of the best neighborhood developments in the city, yet your stupid ass choses to poke fun at it. Good job, way to go, you must feel like a real winner. What would Detroit do without people like you? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4800 Registered: 10-2003 |
This is south of Grand River from Woodbridge towards North Corktown, right? That's easily one of the most declined inner-city hoods in the entire city. Now, on the northern side of Grand River is a whole other story. | ||
Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 199 Registered: 05-2006 |
What's the relationship between the bad looking houses and the casino? It certainly isn't the casino's fault. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 373 Registered: 06-2006 |
Aschar: Is there a point here, or did you just point those shots for entertainment purposes? It seemed like you might have been trying to make a connection between emergence of the casio and the condition of the neighborhood... | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2365 Registered: 10-2003 |
I have to agree with sport. You chose a few houses further away from the casino and ignored the great work done by some of your fellow forumers. It's one thing to show the blight, it's another to sensationalize it and ignore the progress that is occurring just a block away. I'll post an alternative view of that same street this evening. | ||
Urbanoutdoors Member Username: Urbanoutdoors Post Number: 97 Registered: 11-2005 |
Core city Neighborhoods has been able to do quite a bit with that area. It is not corktown or woodbridge but good neighborhood development is happening there and is one of the biggest new developments in the city. Yes there is some deteriorating housing but the neighborhood is completely different than it was just 5 years ago. The community name was originally Briggs but now it is considered North Corktown. It is an area on the rise not decline like it is portrayed here. | ||
Mudflap Member Username: Mudflap Post Number: 185 Registered: 08-2005 |
I know those 3 houses well, they are in NoCo south of Temple. Those folks go bonkers with the decorations for every holiday and try to outdo one another every year, they are less than 50 feet from each other. They must have storage units somewhere, because those homes are too small to pack away all that stuff. | ||
Mudflap Member Username: Mudflap Post Number: 186 Registered: 08-2005 |
Urban, Core City has nothing to do with this neighborhood...It is Greater Corktown Development Corporation that you are thinking of. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10959 Registered: 10-2003 |
These homes are part of the area that according to LMichigan is one of the "most declined areas of the entire city." That comment leads me to believe there is a helluva lot of Detroit he hasn't seen yet. Watch out, ignorance breeds like rabbits.     | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 425 Registered: 05-2006 |
Thanks to DPD for caring to get him up after he was frozen to the ground.He would have Died there. ______________________________ ___________________ I can't help wondering why you took his picture instead of helping him up yourself. Did you think he was there for your amusement? Sport, thanks for the revised pics. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4803 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sport, I'm talking about the area immediately south of Woodbridge. Those new homes are just north of the Fisher. In between these homes and MotorCity is a whole lot of nothing. Don't patronize me. I know good and well the area, and I've seen the new homes first hand. North Corktown/Briggs is coming back, but there is still much work to do, and I'm happy Corktown is involved in the comeback of this neighborhood: http://terraserver.microsoft.com/download.ashx?t=4&s=11&x=821:825&y=11725:11722&z=17 (Message edited by lmichigan on December 04, 2006) | ||
Aschar76 Member Username: Aschar76 Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2006 |
Quote: I guess you were unable to take pictures of the 3 dozen new infill homes that you drove passed. Instead, you chose to look for one of the only homes that had been burned by an arsonist. Rosa Parks Blvd North over the freeway right on Perry just west of Trumbull St. behind the Teamsters hall was the route. I never saw the newer homes you posted this evening we did stop to talk with the Police on the scene of the Detroiter frozen to the ground and headed back for some closer shots of the MotorCity Casino. I did see a nice farmed lot there. If there’s 36 new homes that’s great! , I hope filled with Taxpayers. Quote 2 So, if people don't have Christmas decorations up, then they quit trying, like the guy sitting on the ground next to his bike? Trying: to do their part as long time residence. not just to decorate for Christmas, but keeping their homes nice in one deplorable area. My point was to commend The Three home owners and you turned it in to something nasty. The Police where in charge of the guy on the ground and were waiting for EMS when we stopped. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10963 Registered: 10-2003 |
Well, if you knew what you were talking about then you would have realized that the area is ALL North Corktown. You were the one who stated it's one of the most declined areas in the city. I can take you to areas 100x worse than North Corktown, which is why I stated that you hardly know Detroit. Take a down Warren Ave sometime heading west from downtown. You don't even have to get off the beaten path if you don't want to. You'll go past blocks of boarded up, blown out, even crumbling businesses. You'll pass areas where you see multiple homes that have been torched. Many of the ones standing in what most would consider unlivable condition. You want even more declined? Head over to the east side just east of eastern market. This area is in the early stages of planning to create around 8 new neighborhoods, essentially from the ground up. Considering the area is mostly all vacant plots of land with a single house on a block here and there, I'd certainly consider this example to be much more along the lines of most declined neighborhoods. This story can carry over to many other parts of Detroit, much more declined areas. North Corktown one of the most declined? Hardly. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4808 Registered: 10-2003 |
We're obviously defining the area differently and the terms like declined, differently. Parts of North Corktown/Briggs are easily some of the most emptied out/razed of the inner-city neighborhoods. What did I touch a nerve? Do you live there? | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10967 Registered: 10-2003 |
Again, I disagree. I could show you dozens of neighborhoods in way worse shape. No, I don't live there, I'm further north in Woodbridge. I do however drive and walk that area quite often and your perception that it's as bad as you make it sound is very misleading. What, did I touch a nerve because you don't live here nor seem to know the neighborhoods other than a few inside Grand Blvd? | ||
Cman710 Member Username: Cman710 Post Number: 49 Registered: 07-2006 |
Mudflap, I think those decorations are mostly blow-up decorations, so they might be able to store them in basements or attics (not sure if those houses have basements or not). It is amusing to see people trying to outdo each other, though. It adds flair to the neighborhood! | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1135 Registered: 10-2003 |
Wow, Aschar... are you completely blind? Take a walk through the area bound by Trumbull, MLK, Rosa Parks and Temple. You'll see great new infill housing that was just built within the past year, as well as a few new neighborhood parks with some interesting artwork. And in Spring, another phase of 20-30 homes will be going up - all thanks to the Greater Corktown Developement Corp. And if that's not enough, I believe other developers will be coming in to build additional housing, as well. So, instead of just highlighting the negative, open your eyes to the positive things that are happening in this neighborhood. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 325 Registered: 09-2006 |
That area fascinates me. 6 or 7 years ago when I was working for the Greening of Detroit in high school there was NOTHING over there especially around MLK west of 12th. I remember saying as a 14 year old that in 5-10 years this will all be neighborhoods again and all these trees we planted will be destroyed. Damned if I wasnt right. I just wish that they would build denser especially in an area so close to downtown. | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1136 Registered: 10-2003 |
It's funny that you should mention that, Sekou. Greater Corktown recently partnered with Greening of Detroit. They put together a neighborhood landscaping program for all new homeowners of phase one of the infill project. Three classes were offered and after completing them, Greening of Detroit and it's volunteers helped plant trees, shrubs and perenials with the new homeowners. I'm not quite sure I understand your comment about density, though. Those lots are pretty tight - 30x100. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4809 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sport, you're the one that replied to me. You didn't touch a nerve with me, obviously I touched one with you, though. And, believe me, I know a lot more about the city then you know, and when I say that North Corktown is one of the most emptied out hoods in the Grand Boulevard loop, I'm not talking out of my ass. You can respectfully disagree, but then make a case otherwise instead of getting all pissy. | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 400 Registered: 12-2003 |
Insert response here.... "I didn't hear you, all I heard was BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!"  | ||
Ghetto_butterfly Member Username: Ghetto_butterfly Post Number: 665 Registered: 09-2004 |
My first impression of Aschar's post and pictures was that he wanted to demonstrate the still very obvious clash of thriving and hip downtown vs nearby poor neighborhoods. It's a fact that this exists, regardless of all the revitalization and gentrification. It's true that other neighborhoods are improving as well, but please, look at reality. Go a few blocks from the sports stadiums into Highland Park for example. Walk just half a block from my affluent area to north of Jefferson on the Eastside and you'll know what Aschar was trying to document. You can walk half a mile anywhere in Detroit and pass through wealth and poverty, through glory and shame, through beauty and ugliness. It's another Detroit fact. | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 401 Registered: 12-2003 |
And what is your point again.....blantant obvious facts? reality | ||
Detroitbill Member Username: Detroitbill Post Number: 113 Registered: 09-2006 |
Why would someone post a story to boast blight in the city next to positive efforts being made by both corporations and individuals? Ofcourse that happens in any city trying to recreate itself, its not just a Detroit face, your talking an enormous undertaking to restore the whole area. This only happens bit by bit, which between the casino area and the infill housing area it is indeed ongoing.. People should be proud that some effort is happening,and hopefully more momentum with it in the future years, You couldn't possibly change this whole area in a matter of a couple of years. Again, go back 5 years,, and you would find a totally different picture,, Why dont you applaud the people that are trying to make a difference to the best of their ability. It seems some people on this try their best to degrade every effort their city and individuals make to improve,, wow, I would suggest they direct their energies in a more positive manner to contribute rather than criticize constantly or better yet , take their poison to another city. I'm sure they can find something to criticize somewhere else. (Message edited by DetroitBill on December 04, 2006) | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 3378 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ah Sporto relax, stop cuffing the newbie and go back posting the quality stuff. Aschar, welcome to the forum and slip the punches. Meanwhile Detroit Rises...    | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10969 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hey man, Detroit is family. I take great offense when somebody chooses to only point out the bad. Newbie or not, I'm gonna set the record straight. As for Lmichigan, well, he has no excuse. If he'd like a real tour of Detroit then perhaps I can show him MANY neighborhoods inside the Blvd in far worse shape than North Corktown. Perhaps I haven't been paying close enough attention, as I thought he knew Detroit better than he does. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 2820 Registered: 10-2003 |
Last time I was in Briggs, I mean N. Corktown, there were a number of large tracts of land being cleared with bulldozers. So there's a huge wave of development just starting, then there are a couple of burned houses (I'm guessing that there's some serial arsonist still operating in the area), and there's numerous new houses that are stunningly well designed...If I was looking for a place to buy in Detroit right now, I'd be looking at N. Corktown. | ||
Aschar76 Member Username: Aschar76 Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2006 |
Thank you Lowell Sport, The pictures tell the story a City that the time and effort and money to get Mega Gambling centers build. Should be able to figure out how to clear bombed out houses from the neighborhoods have trash pickup street lights and police protection for its taxpayers. Yell scream call me more names I will not run. The pictures speak and that what people driving in this city see. That idea of your's about Belle Isle needing a Liquor store was good .Why not call it Wine n Ribs Inn. need a sack fo that.    | ||
Enduro Member Username: Enduro Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2006 |
Hey one of those is the house I'm living in! Do I get a prize? | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 10971 Registered: 10-2003 |
The city isn't building the casinos, so what does one have to do with the other? Are you suggesting that it is the responsibility of the casinos, and possibly other businesses of this city to clear out abandoned houses? Except on holidays, my trash pickup has ALWAYS been picked up on time for 2.5 years running. My street lights have never been out either. The DPD could be in better shape, I'll give you that. Now I'm not saying there aren't street lights out in other parts of the city, or even downtown, as there are. Yet if you're going to come on here and make it sound like the surrounding area near the casino is one big blown out ghetto, then I'm going to come back and correct you. For your information, not even a 1/2 mile north of where you took your pictures is Detroit's largest neighborhood development in history. Woodbridge Estates is a $93 million development that is nearing completion. To your west is Core City neighborhoods which has also seen tons of development over these past few years. We already mentioned North Corktown, of which you practically were a block away from. There will also be a major development along Rosa Parks in the very near future. In addition, a super market may be one of a handful of businesses to fill a retail plaza along MLK in the next year or so. You claim that your pictures are what people see when they drive in the city of Detroit. I seem to believe that people see what they want to see. You saw burned out homes and a man on the side of the road in need of help, ignoring progress in the nearby area. This is what you and many others choose to see, as it's what makes you happy and feel good about yourself. Me, I see all the problems, but also make note of all the good things happening in the city. You take your one sided perspective, you go ahead and laugh at Detroit, as you will likely never understand. Myself and many others would choose Detroit over any suburb in this region, just as we would choose it over most any city in this country. Royal Oak, Ferndale, Novi, Troy, and all the rest, you can keep all those. In my eyes they are about as appealing as that first picture you posted of that burned out crumbling house. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 622 Registered: 11-2004 |
I don't think Asher was intentionally out to make the the city look bad. From the sounds of it he took a very limited route through the area. The reality is both styles of pictures positive and negative speak truth about the neighborhood | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 4812 Registered: 10-2003 |
Eric, you're being naive. Aschar already said he was trying to make a point, and he's showed it in his subsequent posts. (Message edited by lmichigan on December 05, 2006) | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1137 Registered: 10-2003 |
...and money to get Mega Gambling centers build. Why not call it Wine n Ribs Inn. need a sack fo that. This guy sounds like Danny. Yeesh! Well, Ash, I'm sorry you can't see all of the progress through all the dispair in the city. It's true, there's a long way to go, but steps are being taken in the right direction. | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1138 Registered: 10-2003 |
Enduro, are you in one of the new infill houses? | ||
Aschar76 Member Username: Aschar76 Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2006 |
The Infill homes window dressing along the parade route to and from the Casino's? Is this long term housing from the pictures they look like inexpensive stick homes two by four stud walls clap board siding life span five to ten years tops. Notice a lack of brick work? What will the resell value be when the tax incentives end? What about the schools in the area? not all can go to the new Cass High. | ||
Enduro Member Username: Enduro Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2006 |
No, I wish. I'm in an older house. Still has the old windows and whatnot. It's getting rather cold, I might be looking to upgrade here soon. The neighborhood, however, has been great. Had a break in during the daytime but he didn't get anything of value and the dog scared him out. Police response was really fast and we haven't had a problem since. | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 896 Registered: 11-2003 |
"2 x 4 studs with clapboard siding" Hey, Ashcan - What do you think original Corktown houses are made of?! Ain't too many made of brick! But...if you want to see new houses with brick, drive a few blocks west on MLK toward the Boulevard and you'll find 'em. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 2825 Registered: 10-2003 |
"window dressing on the parade route"? Who takes Cocharane St or Harrison St. to the Casino? That siding is made out of concrete composite, and barring nuclear warfare should last a bit longer than five to ten years. Obviously some people see what they want to see. | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1139 Registered: 10-2003 |
Eh, this guy isn't worth listening to. Just ignore him and he'll leave. | ||
Aschar76 Member Username: Aschar76 Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2006 |
nice over view http://maps.live.com/default.a spx?v=2&cp=r1ps76829hfn&style= o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-10 00&scene=3778757 | ||
Illmatic774 Member Username: Illmatic774 Post Number: 88 Registered: 02-2006 |
that hood will be back. Theres also infill west of the Jefferies, south of the tracks. Even to as far as 28th and 29th. Definitely a place to invest in. Is there any current construction in that area however, or at least planned? | ||
Jenniferl Member Username: Jenniferl Post Number: 345 Registered: 03-2004 |
Every year my sister, some friends, and I go on a Christmas light cruise. I will have to add North Corktown to our itinerary. Incidentally, I have walked through that neighborhood many times and it is one of the friendliest neighborhoods I've ever been in. The people sitting on their porches or working in their yards say hello when I walk by. I usually see kids out playing. It isn't a wealthy neighborhood, but there are a lot of nice people there and I hope everything works out for the best for them. |
