  Sg9018 Member Username: Sg9018 Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2006 |
Today on FOX 2 News at 11 am. There newsteam has a exclusive look on the inside of the Motor City expansion. WJBK Al Allen has a tour with this link http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/my fox/pages/Home/Detail?contentI d=3341670&version=3&locale=EN- US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1. 1 What do you guys think? | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 736 Registered: 02-2004 |
Not bad, looks chic in some areas and just loud in others. Reminds me of home.... | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5552 Registered: 10-2003 |
There's a big story about this in the Free Press, today. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20070529/BUS INESS06/70529039 | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 234 Registered: 03-2007 |
F'in awesome | ||
Kslice Member Username: Kslice Post Number: 46 Registered: 04-2007 |
So that's that new skyscraper they're building to the NE of downtown! Not like a business would build this, should have known the only new high rises are casinos... | ||
Ramcharger Member Username: Ramcharger Post Number: 287 Registered: 05-2006 |
Actually, Motor City Casino is northwest of downtown (CBD). | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 235 Registered: 03-2007 |
if this aint a shot in the arm of a depressed region, i don't know what is. The investment alone is so worth any negative notion about casino gambling. | ||
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster Post Number: 2075 Registered: 11-2004 |
That decor is horrifying on so many levels. | ||
Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 4473 Registered: 10-2003 |
It's supposed to be horrifying and loud and obnoxious. Looks a lot better than the 80’s style casinos in Vegas. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 851 Registered: 04-2006 |
"if this aint a shot in the arm of a depressed region, i don't know what is. " I'd actually say more like a shot in the head... I'm not even anti-casino, but it is what it is. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 236 Registered: 03-2007 |
OK so lets just say we had a massive riot in 1990, a hurricane in 1996, and a lost of over 200,000 jobs. what the hell are we suppose to do, call bush and get FEMA TO HELP US? we are desperate and whatever we can get, so be it... | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2532 Registered: 10-2003 |
When I'm personally hard up for money, I send as much of it to Vegas as possible, and pray for spinoff. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 237 Registered: 03-2007 |
1. 1967 riots f'ed up the city 2. white flight took away the White dollar 3. America's second largest theater district outside of Manhattan went empty. 4. We are number 1 fattest city were number 1 murder capital nations poorest number 1 in forclosures no downtown retail no city mall no target no walmart not much at all so if somebody wants to invest billions in casinos and hotels, then the hell with all these opinions, cause dammit we need these things bad. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 238 Registered: 03-2007 |
Desperate times takes desperate measures. | ||
6nois Member Username: 6nois Post Number: 288 Registered: 11-2006 |
Love it, looks really fun. I like the ceiling. As for the complaining thats just what Detroit people do. So I don't pay attention because I am not a native. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 626 Registered: 01-2006 |
Detroit is no longer the fattest city. We dropped to somewhere around 8 I think. Just sayin... | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4430 Registered: 08-2004 |
As with all the Casinos, I'll have to reserve judgement until they are finished. I do like the 50's cars theme though... pastiche and kitschy... soooo Vegas like! | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5555 Registered: 10-2003 |
I don't think they overplayed it in the interior, though, which is great. It's easily the most local and "Detroit" of the three, and I don't find the kitsch too far over the top. Let's just say I've seen worse in Vegas. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 860 Registered: 04-2006 |
>Downtown_remix If this becomes a destination for outsiders, bringing in outside money then shot in the arm. If this becomes a destination for locals dealing with the highest foreclosure rates in the country, massive restructuring in the area's major industry, stagnant housing market, etc., then you could see how this can be a shot in the head, right? Don't get addicted to your own product. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 239 Registered: 03-2007 |
The global announcement that the MOTOR D now possess 3 top notch casinos(not thrown together temporary casinos with no hotel, no hotel pool, no hot hotel club, no retail.) will pull in the bus loads from Ohio, Canada, Indiana, Illinios. Can we talk outside dollars? | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 240 Registered: 03-2007 |
We cant underestimate the global power of MGM GRAND CASINO. This morning while jogging, the huge parking lots surrounding DTE headquarters is under a huge makeover, turning it into a green space, park-like setting. The arrival of the new MGM influenced this productive activity. We cant take these things for granted. every single new developement Downtown in conjunction with 3 new hotels full of people spending money and having a good time is the shot in the arm. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 861 Registered: 04-2006 |
>will pull in the bus loads from Ohio, Canada, Indiana, Illinios. Can we talk outside dollars? Ontario and Indiana (and by extension, Illinois) already have casinos. Canadians are even less likely to travel to this side of the border for gambling because they lose out on the (albeit diminished) exchange rate. I'd like to see the D marketed on an intercontinental scale. That's the way I see these casino deals really becoming a "shot in the arm" in the long run. Bring in those pounds and euros. Bring in those big spenders from Tokyo and Seoul. If you get those people in there then Americans will undoubtedly follow. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 241 Registered: 03-2007 |
Is there a MGM GRAND CASINO-HOTEL-RESORT, MOTOR CITY CASINO AND HOTEL RESORT(CIRCUS CIRCUS) in Chicago, Indiana, Cleveland, Windsor, Toronto, Toledo, Milwaukee? I personally have truck loads of family from all over excited about stayin the weekend at MGM grand casino hotel, and bunny hop to Motor city, and people mover over to Greektown casino hotel. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 188 Registered: 12-2006 |
My buddy is getting married in September and I'm planning the bachelor party. I'm already inquiring to see if the hotel part of the Motorcity operation will be open in time to throw a bachelor party there. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 243 Registered: 03-2007 |
6 of my friends from LA are coming to Detroit for new years 2008. Ive already decided 2 nights at Motor city(HOPE A BIG MOTOWN STAR IS PERFORMING) , then 2 nights at MGM. We will party at the clubs, shop at the stores, catch a lions game, eat and party at all the cool new clubs, bars and restaurants all over downtown. Food and culture on saturday(hung over) at eastern market and all the Woodward museums including MOTOWN and FISHER MANSION. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1060 Registered: 12-2006 |
Indiana has all of those casinos near Hammond. So you can exclude the "resort" part. El_jimbo, I read somewhere (I think it was the freep article) that the hotel will not be open until December. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4434 Registered: 08-2004 |
There are a lot of day trippers coming to the Detroit casinos from Ohio and Eastern Indiana. All 3 casinos have dozens of Ohio and Indiana tour buses parked there every day. Guess some Indiana folks prefer the Detroit casinos to the Gary Indiana ones. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 244 Registered: 03-2007 |
IF YOU BUILD THEY WILL COME --3 TOP NOTCH CASINO HOTEL RESORTS --COMPLETELY RENOVATED EASTERN MARKET --REFRESHENED BELLE ISLE --REVIVING "CENTER" IN THE CBD --100'S OF RESIDENT PAYIN BIG MONEY LIVING DENSELY POPULATED --REVAMPED RIVERFRONT MILES LONG --NEWLY THRIVING WOODWARD --REVAMPED BRUSH PARK --TOP NOTCH THEATERS --REVIVED MID-TOWN My point is we've been set up 4 great success since the beginning, all we've ever needed was people who truly cared about the history and possibilities of the city. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5557 Registered: 10-2003 |
These are easily the nicest 'Vegas-styled' resorts in the Midwest, so the idea that they compete significantly, resort-wise, with some riverboat casinos, and other lesser resorts is kind of funny. The casinos are in a different class, and it shows in revenue numbers. Only the entire state of Illinois top one city, Detroit, in revenue, and the gap will become even less when these permanent facilities make their debut. Detroit's competition is with the likes of the Soaring Eagle, and other really nice Native American facilities in and out of state. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4436 Registered: 08-2004 |
Lets just hope that Ohio remains casino-less!  That one Casino planned for Pittsburgh probably won't affect Detroit, although it will probably attract a lot of folks from eastern Ohio. Most of our Ohio day trippers are from Northwestern Ohio, which is much closer to Detroit that Pittsburgh or the Gary Indiana casinos. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 629 Registered: 01-2006 |
There is a brand new casino resort set to open in August in New Buffalo Michigan...hotel and all. I wonder what that will do to grab the Indiana people that don't want to travel into "scary Detroit". | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5558 Registered: 10-2003 |
There have been many casinos that have opened up since Detroit's have been on the scene, and Detroit's revenue numbers continue to grow or remain solid. I really don't think we have to worry about the competition, especially after this after these multi-million dollar facilities are completed taking the resorts to a whole other level. Please, someone show me another place, for instance, where a $600 million dollar+ MGM resort is going up in this country outside of Vegas. It's a whole different scale and level of gaming resort, and I'm not just saying that to be a booster. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4438 Registered: 08-2004 |
And as we all know casino regulars are often loyal to specific casinos. So if they've already been coming to "scary Detroit", then I see no reason that they'll stop coming. My St. Clair Shores neighbor has been a loyal fan of the (2 1/2 hr. drive) Mt. Pleasant casino for as long as it has been opened. When I ask her why she doesn't go often to the Detroit casinos, she said that Mt. Pleasant was her lucky casino! Go figure? | ||
Cdent Member Username: Cdent Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2007 |
If you take into account that the motorcity casino is not only investing into the city and future of detroit, and also that they are keeping true to the real motorcity theme by letting great automotive designers like chip foose, and Camilo Pardo,(lead ford designer for the FORD GT40) design the outside of the building. keeping the construction and labor here in the city by local companies like Quality Metalcraft Inc. I say hats off to the casino. Can you say that about any of the other ones in the area ? link to video about foose/pardo/chetcuti http://youtube.com/watch?v=8_Z LrE8A30k | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5559 Registered: 10-2003 |
Soaring Eagle in Mt. Pleasant is supposedly the largest casino resort in the Midwest. Even if it isn't, it's one of the Native American casinos I was referring to that's a real competitor with the Detroit casinos. It has an excellent reputation, and it's a really nice facility. The low age they set for gambling doesn't hurt either, their reasoning that since they attract so many young kids for concerts that they may as well get the rest of their money while they are up there. It's one of the few casino in league with those in Detroit. BTW, here are the 2006 revenue rankings for U.S casino markets. Detroit was the fifth largest market in the country based on revenue after the Las Vegas Strip, Atlantic City, Chicagoland (plus all of Illinois as it includes those way in Rock Island and such), and Connecticut. I wonder how much Michigan would rank if they counted those casinos outside of Detroit in the state. 1 Las Vegas Strip $6.689 billion 2 Atlantic City, N.J. $5.508 billion 3 Chicagoland, Ind./Ill. $2.595 billion 4 Connecticut $1.734 billion 5 Detroit $1.303 billion 6 Tunica/Lula, Miss. $1.252 billion 7 St. Louis, Mo./Ill. $990.98 million 8 Reno/Sparks, Nev. $939.50 million 9 Boulder Strip, Nev. $929.70 million 10 Shreveport, La. $847.18 million This is impressive, all things considered. http://www.americangaming.org/ Industry/factsheets/statistics _detail.cfv?id=4 (Message edited by lmichigan on May 31, 2007) | ||
Cdent Member Username: Cdent Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2007 |
just a quick add on to my post .. I think you all will agree its going to be awesome... this is what you would have got with just any old standard design. http://www.emporis.com/en/il/i m/?id=421864 instead this is what is going up.... http://www.emporis.com/en/il/i m/?id=499876 | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 189 Registered: 12-2006 |
SCS, I think in yesteday's paper they mentioned something about trying to have it open by september. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4439 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks for the reminder Cdent, and welcome to the forum! The first design is what we would have gotten had Mandalay Bay still been majority owner of MotorCity Casino... BORING!! Then second design was what was developed once Marion Ilitch became 100% owner of MotorCity. However, that rocket ship "thingy" in front of the casino has been scrapped (mercifully!). Although, as can be seen by comments above, the final design is not universally liked. However the new design adds a 1950's automotive streamlined pizzazz, and yet respects the more prominent design elements of the original 1915 building. As can be seen by the Mandalay Bay design, and an earlier... even worse (yellow brick clad) design, what we're getting is IMHO by far the best of the 3 MotorCity Casino designs. | ||
Cdent Member Username: Cdent Post Number: 7 Registered: 05-2007 |
I think it would be great to turn Foose and Pardo loose with a design for some type of mass transit train or rail of some sort to run from Detroit metro airport all the way to the other side of 475 around the campus and arts area. I would be willing to bet it would be a sight to behold. "Don't just build it, make it easy to get here from any where in the world." | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4444 Registered: 08-2004 |
I bet that those automotive designers could do a cool restaurant design, reminiscent of old diners, etc. I hope Marion Ilitch gives them some other commissions as infill in the burgeoning Entertainment district. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5561 Registered: 10-2003 |
Personally, I wouldn't want them to get carried away. It has its endearing charm on kitschy casinos, but you start repeating it, and it really would get tacky, more so than the 'tent' fad in architecture. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4447 Registered: 08-2004 |
I'm sure they could restrain their more garish impulses to come up with some nice designs. Arguably the ugliest building that Ilitch holdings has is the Cass-Adams Building just east of the GAR. It is currently used as the MotorCity training center, but that function will move to the permanent casino. I always thought that that building (reminiscent of WSU Purdy Library) is butt ugly. And since it is likely outside of the new Arena footprint (south of Adams), it sure could use a new facade, and maybe become a mixed use structure (possibly Arena offices on the upper floors). It could be a nice building for them to work on, especially if the new arena gets located nearby, and has an automotive company for naming rights. One certainly wouldn't want these designers to mess with other Ilitch properties such as the GAR, Moose, Chin Tiki, or Iodent Building. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1066 Registered: 12-2006 |
Ok. Thanks for pointing that out. I might have misread the article. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 863 Registered: 04-2006 |
"Detroit's competition is with the likes of the Soaring Eagle, and other really nice Native American facilities in and out of state." Niagara Falls. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 190 Registered: 12-2006 |
I was at the Niagara Falls casinos last summer. The Fallsview one is nice, the other other one closer to all the tourist trap stuff isn't nearly as nice. Neither of them are as nice as what the 3 Detroit Casinos look like. Also, the Detroit casinos are a MUCH better deal for players, even Canadians. In Niagara Falls EVERYTHING is taxed to a rediculous level. Expect to pay about 20 to 33% in sales and service taxes on damn near everything in the city of Niagara. There is the national sales tax, the provincial sales tax, a "tourist zone" sales tax and a couple of others. Even eating at Applebee's requires being given a 5 foot long reciept to show all the taxes you have to pay. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 867 Registered: 04-2006 |
^I mean yeah, but my point is moreso that Detroit/Windsor doesn't have the geographic monopoly on casinos. There is plenty of competition in the area if you plan to limit your market to that region. What the surrounding region doesn't offer is casinos in an urban setting. Not only an urban setting, but an infamous urban locale. They have to come to terms of who would they should market that appeal. I'm not so convinced that residents of the surrounding region would be as enticed (but it is worth a shot) as potential customers from further away. Not only that, but attracting visitors from farther away (especially internationally) would go a lot farther, a lot faster in changing Detroit's image. (Message edited by iheartthed on June 01, 2007) | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 191 Registered: 12-2006 |
The trick is to market the GOOD things about the urban environment rather than the bad. Not too many places in North America where you can have the casinos, bars, clubs, dining, and sports so close. Even Vegas doesn't have the sports (except when there is a boxing event). The only thing Downtown is lacking is the shopping. I think Detroit has some advantages that will make it a unique experience for gamblers compared to other gambling destinations in the US. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 868 Registered: 04-2006 |
^Again, I agree with all of that... But think of what surrounds Detroit. I'm midwest born and raised, so let's be honest, midwesterners aren't exactly known for being cosmopolitan. I'd like to see Detroit shake the stigma of being just another midwestern, rust belt city (like Chicago did... and even NYC was once part of the rust belt). In order to do that, the city needs to attract a LOT of visitors from outside of the midwest (like Chicago and NY did). | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 193 Registered: 12-2006 |
you are right. Midwesterners aren't very Cosmopolitan, yet people from all over the Midwest (and other areas) flock to Chicago for the shopping, the dining, and the tourist attractions. If you can sell it right, even the least cosmopolitan midwesterners will appreciate the attraction of visiting a major city. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 870 Registered: 04-2006 |
^Right, all I'm saying is that I believe the quickest way to make it a destination for all is to make it an international destination. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1275 Registered: 02-2007 |
^The problem is luring all the things needed to create an international destination. (Message edited by Urbanize on June 01, 2007) | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 871 Registered: 04-2006 |
A commercial? They already have one... I saw it in the airport the other day. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1277 Registered: 02-2007 |
I meant the attractions. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 876 Registered: 04-2006 |
The casinos... | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1278 Registered: 02-2007 |
Many people don't like Gambling and Children aren't allowed in them. Sports are good, but not everyone likes sports or our teams. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 246 Registered: 03-2007 |
Just examine the reactions of visitors to Detroit. What blows their whistles the most are A. Belle isle B. Historical skyscrapers C. GM world headquarters D. Cultural center E. Detroit river F. Festivals, live music in the parks(chene, Campus mar, Hart plaza) G. theater and sports districts H. Canada I. Eastern market 90% of these items we locals take for granted. with properly executed promotions, these attractions will attract visitors . | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5564 Registered: 10-2003 |
The casino revenue numbers say it all, Iheartthed. If Detroit, with three casinos, is able to be the 5th largest casino market in the country, even with the temporary facilities and the city's reputation, why are you doubting that they can't increase their revenue with these new facilities and an up-and-coming downtown? It's not about having a monopoly, but I don't see what Detroit's casinos have to worry about. | ||
Verifiable Member Username: Verifiable Post Number: 46 Registered: 05-2007 |
It's all good as long as the casinos don't arrest any more little old ladies for picking up the random nickel token, take away the lunch buffet voucher Granny got on the bus on the way in and then toss her out onto the street with no way to let the other little old ladies know where she disappeared to. That's just bad for PR! As if that particular local casino owner needed another five cents! LOL | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 249 Registered: 03-2007 |
I guess the designers got my memo. Everything built in the entertainment district should scream DETROIT..!!!!!! | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1477 Registered: 11-2003 |
Detroit's reputation is beginning to change thanks to a whole new generation of visitors who were born long after the riots and other things that give Detroit a bad name. Since Detroit has successfully hosted events like the Super Bowl, MLB All-Star Game, etc, that reputation is slowly beginning to change. But there has been an increase in lots of smaller conventions coming to the city. I know as a music teacher, we just had the American String Teachers Association's national convention in Detroit last March. It was hosted at the RenCen Marriot and Orchestra Hall. There were string teachers that came her from all over the country that loved downtown and loved seeing the Max and our world class DSO. Now put three new casino hotels with convention facilities, plus the Book-Cadillac and Fort Shelby hotels having facilities for small conventions, and you can really compete with any city with these wonderful facilities. | ||
Flybydon Member Username: Flybydon Post Number: 133 Registered: 01-2005 |
May 28, 2007  | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 253 Registered: 03-2007 |
Bob , your right on target. my father (born 1946). Worked at "louis the Hatter" on Broadway. my grandma worked at "Granels", a music store on Woodward. The stories they tell of Detroits rise and fall seems no different than Burlin back in da day | ||
Billk Member Username: Billk Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2005 |
Is anyone else curious about what the elaborate roof is going to be like when it's finished? They have been working on it for about 6 months. I'm guessing it will be covered with a lot of neon, maybe with synchronized flashing or movement. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4465 Registered: 08-2004 |
I just talked to one of the card dealers at MotorCity yesterday. He said that they are planning on moving Iridescence (the 4 star MotorCity restaurant) to the top floor of the completed hotel tower. And they are going to make it a 5 star restaurant with spectacular views of downtown and the riverfront. And yes, the top of the hotel tower will have neon, but nothing that will detract from the view from inside looking out. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 196 Registered: 12-2006 |
Gistok, Did he say anything about when the hotel will be opening up? | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4466 Registered: 08-2004 |
I'll ask him when I see him tonight. But I thought it was October 2007. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 197 Registered: 12-2006 |
cool...thanks for checking. Also find out when the restaurant opens up as well. I'm planning a bachelor party for early september and I want to find out what all my options are. You're a lifesaver. | ||
Cdent Member Username: Cdent Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2007 |
the top edge and front structure is going to be completely covered in high gloss stainless the largest install of stainless in any structure in the country. Quality Metalcraft inc. in Livonia is involved in the project now and its being assembled off site and fitted so it can be put on. | ||
Classico Member Username: Classico Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2005 |
Wow, love the Top Edge. I really dig the atmosphere this structure promotes in this area. Hopefully it starts a chain reaction in surrounding parcels. | ||
Markemarx Member Username: Markemarx Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2006 |
anyone know how big(#/tables) the new poker room is, or know of any other good details about the room? | ||
Cdent Member Username: Cdent Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2007 |
Ok , here is some more info on the roof structure and hotel. I heard they are shooting for labor day completion date. check out this site. make sure you click on the movie link, its a bit slow but well worth the wait to see Chip Foose talk about the project. site link http://web.mac.com/qualitymeta lcraft/iWeb/Site/QMC%20Archite ctural.html movie is at this link http://web.mac.com/qualitymeta lcraft/iWeb/Site/Movie.html enjoy. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4498 Registered: 08-2004 |
El_jimbo, I heard that MotorCity Hotel Tower (including restaurants) will open October-November. |
