  New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2007 |
Look at everything that is going to be going on in 08' The Book should be done We will have Fort/Shelby-Double Tree The overwhelming majority of the condo/loft projects should be done. Hopefully, Quickens Downtown project will have worked out well and they will be committed to a new headquarters downtown Michigan's economic troubles will have run their course and we will be well on our way to a bounce back. Domestic auto will have new and exciting makes and model and will almost done with their restructuring. I know its just the beginning of 07' but reading these articles, boy it gives you hope!! Is there anything I missed.-OH don't we get the final four in 08' or is that 09 | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 1100 Registered: 03-2006 |
Don't hold your breath. When the city government is overhauled, grey skies will clear | ||
Toog05 Member Username: Toog05 Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2006 |
You forgot that all of permanent Casinos will be complete, that should have been number 1 on your list. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 238 Registered: 11-2006 |
Well, it will be improved for sure. 5 new hotels will be online, hundreds of new lofts/condos should be available. I am sure more shops/bars/restuarants will have opened up, and hopefully a few more major businesses will open up offices or HQ in downtown. Techtown and WSU should also be moving along nicely by that point as well. With the money promised by Penske for the Grand Prix events on Belle Isle, the Isle should be gleaming like it hasnt in many, many years. Kwames neighborhood plan should be seeing some progress and results hopefully as well.. Of course, all of this means another 4 years of KK I am sure.. Chitaku- City government is being overhauled as we speak. The beaurocracy has been cut from 20,000 employees to 14,000 employees and dozens of labor contracts have been revised to save the city money on pension, healthcare, etc. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2343 Registered: 10-2004 |
Isn't anybody aware of a general trend since the late 1990s when it's always left to the next year for Detroit's or Michigan's economy to correct itself? And it never happens... The BLS predicts big-time job losses for Metro Detroit and Michigan for 2008, when the state's unemployment rate is expected to be in excess of 7.6% from its predicted 7.1% this year. So, why should 2008 be THE YEAR, unless it's just more of the same bull shit spread on the fields again this year too? | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2007 |
Spiritofdetroit, completely forgot about the Grand Prix, I use to LOVE that when I was a kid. I hated to see it go!!! But you're right, the old girl should be lookin good. And another term like this one should be to bad. should it? (Message edited by new2theeastside on February 03, 2007) | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2007 |
http://www.umich.edu/news/inde x.html?Releases/2005/Nov05/r11 1805a Livernoisyard The article I was reading say's that Michigan will return to over job(albeit weak) growth in 07. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2344 Registered: 10-2004 |
I haven't read your article yet, but is that blurb about some UM prof who said that because there was a PRELIMINARY report that Michigan's economy increased by some 0.1% over the previous dismal year's that Michigan was officially out of recession? Was that the source of your predictions? If so, we're doomed! | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 239 Registered: 11-2006 |
New2theeastide, No, I wouldnt think that another term, like this one, would be terrible. However, across the nation he is remembered for his first term antics, and that does nothing to help our image. I think that there could be a candidate just as capable as Kilpatrick, with better characteristics to fit the job of big city mayor...Anyway, thats sort of beyond the point. Detroit will be better off in 2008 than it was in 2006, or 2004, or 2000, of that I am sure. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2007 |
It was, and doomed is such a STRONG word. How about moderately uncomfortable :-) how about this one http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs /releases/print.php?htdocs/rel eases/plainstory.php?id=1069&h tml= | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 15 Registered: 01-2007 |
Spiritofdetroit, Good point, this is a national thing we need to start thinking about. I will admit, his image nationally is tarnished. Every time I go back to Atlanta I have to hear about the Navi on Spinners' | ||
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000 Post Number: 166 Registered: 06-2005 |
The East Riverfront trail should be complete as well as the Dequindre Cut. I would hope the Tri-Centennial State Park expansion would be underway as well. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2006 |
Perhaps the Broderick Tower will be underway, heh. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2345 Registered: 10-2004 |
But when are the jobs coming that provide income for the unemployed and underemployed? There will be some hiring in IT and engineering predicted this year to fill some gaps when workers were let go earlier and since left the area. But overall, the employment numbers will be lower for both this year and next, especially in manufacturing which is becoming (or already is) a lost cause. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 3581 Registered: 08-2004 |
LY believes in Barker's Law: "Murphy was an optimist".  | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1329 Registered: 11-2003 |
Livernoisyard is correct in his outlook on hiring and employment. We are attracting jobs in IT in engineering but they are in small numbers and in no way make up for the huge losses in manufacturing. According to the last report by UM, the state in not predicted to have actually gain jobs until 2009. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 17 Registered: 01-2007 |
Livernoisyard, I think it is time for them to go back to school. MI has a huge shortage of nurses. So much so that they have to out source for fill the need. Nurses make great pay, good benefits, and I wouldn't mind working 3 12s. The jobs might not be in manufacturing, but there are jobs. Just gotta get the right training?? (Message edited by new2theeastside on February 03, 2007) | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1330 Registered: 11-2003 |
The problem in nursing is can also be attributed to a lack of classroom space. Most nursing programs in MI have a waiting list to get in to. My sister in law is in the nursing program at Oakland U and they always have a waiting. They can only push out so many nurses and not compromise the quality of the training. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2007 |
Bob, Didn't say you had to go to school in MI. Just go get the cert, come back, get the job, volunteer with Youthville, live happily ever after. Call me an optimist!! :-) | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2346 Registered: 10-2004 |
Many displaced UAW workers are not likely to hit the books anytime soon, due to their age or lack of education, in general. So many nursing schools have closed the past two/three decades that what's left are probably insufficient to train what's needed anyways. Many military retirees are becoming nurses according to good recruiting there. Many of them serve afterwards in military hospitals and they like that. I suppose that the military is providing the nursing schools at their own hospitals, but I don't really know any particulars. | ||
Nellonfury Member Username: Nellonfury Post Number: 214 Registered: 03-2005 |
You people forgot about these future projects: -People Mover Expansion(if it's still a go) -Rosa Parks Transit Center -Future news about the Hudson Site and Monroe Block | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1331 Registered: 11-2003 |
The People Mover expansion is far from reality. It is just to study to see if expansion is feasible. Its a good sign because private business may be interested in footing the bill, but a People Mover expansion is far from a done deal. | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 641 Registered: 08-2005 |
quote: Wow, that's some incredible speculation on your part, what makes you think that the state's economy is going to magically turn around in just one year? And it remains to be seen whether Ford's "exciting new designs" will win over the consumer. | ||
French777 Member Username: French777 Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2006 |
and maybe a COBO/JLA will be in place | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2007 |
Warriorfan It just the beginning of 07. End of 08 would be 2 years. Wouldn't it??? Well, and if we are no longer losing jobs and are atleast sustaining or increasing slightly(as I think will be the case), wouldn't that be a "bounce back" from where we are?? Nothing magical about it!!! And have you seen the 08 line up for GM and Ford. They are GREAT!! How about a little optimism pal? I know its hard right now, but lets not get caught up!! It's ALMOST over!!! :-) The ETERNAL OPTIMIST | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2348 Registered: 10-2004 |
A huge number of jobs would have to be created in 2009 just to cover the huge job losses that are expected with a high degree of certainty for the next two years. That would merely bring the employment numbers up to the dismal level currently. How can you be expected to be taken seriously when you bring nothing but optimism to the table. Them be just words... | ||
Granmontrules Member Username: Granmontrules Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2007 |
I think 2008 will be a great year for all the reasons above. Detroit is im a growth pattern. However, I am a bit surprised with all the positive press the mayor is seeing (I work in a PR firm so maybe I see more) at the negative comments still posted on here from time to time. While not a big fan of his first term I think he has really pulled out and is doing some great things. With my line of work I have had some dealings with officials in his administration and they are a very sharp group of individuals with energy, passion and ideas for the city. I personally think the mayor and his team are doing a great job. I think we need to give more credit and support to him. What does anyone else think? PS - Even the City Council seems to be working somewhat well together. | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1332 Registered: 11-2003 |
I have to agree with Livernoisyard once again, it is going to take a whole lot to get this economy to turn around. There are positive things happening but for every 10 jobs Google creates, thousands have been lost in manufacturing. We have brights spots in growth of small brain based companies that are adding jobs, but a lot of these jobs the people who have been laid off from manufacturing are not qualified for due to the lack of education. They are leaving for other states where the jobs are. There are so many factors that have to fall in line to meet that 2009 job growth number. For one thing, the automakers need to have some hits. Maybe they will, but if they do not (which realistically may happen) we could continue the slide. GM seems to be on the right track, but Ford remains to be seen. And GM could just a quickly go back to sliding with a botched launch or two. Lots of what if factors. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2349 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: yada yada yada... That's the typical blather expected to be emanating from someone who works in PR. You are commenting on the government of the city of Detroit. The majority of the jobs provided by the city have to be paid for by the private sector. Without a strong private sector, Detroit is nothing but a collective welfare recipient, expected to be funded by taxpayers elsewhere. They will not sit idly by and allow Detroit to live off of them. Why should outside taxpayers want to support a dying city that doesn't react rapidly and decisively enough to its own problems? No, Detroit as a city and its private sector won't bottom out until sometime during the next decade, if at all. There are few signs other than some window-dressing buildings downtown that seem to require years to erect or modify. Other cities, like Chicago, do more in only a year or three than Detroit does in a decade. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 386 Registered: 10-2006 |
I always thought that 2006 was Detroit's year, but then again, in 2009 UDM is hosting the NCAA final four. | ||
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2007 |
Detroit's comeback in one year?? Downtown Detroit has been on the comeback for a good decade, and will likely continue. The neighborhoods on the otherhand face a greater challenge. Will the neighborhoods follow? The education and crime complex needs serious attention. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2390 Registered: 02-2005 |
2008 is a huge year, I agree. The East Riverfront developments should be well under way too. I think more important than city government overhaul is school reform. If the public school situation has stabilized, we can have a lot more confidence in neighborhood redevelopment. I will be eager to see what the downtown/midtown population is estimated at in 2008. If things are going well...get ready for Kilpatrick in 2009! | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 831 Registered: 11-2003 |
"IS 2008 the year of Detroit's comeback" Detroit has been back for quite some time now, too many just have not noticed it yet. I spent lots of time in Downtown this weeked, went to different events and restaurants on Thurs, Fri, and Sat. There is so much to do there now its incredible, it seems like its grown exponentially the past few years. What I have grown tired of is people in this region saying "if only Detroit had this, it will be back when they have that, what Detroit really needs is this... etc... etc..." What Detroit needs is support from its region. The Downtown area is safer, cleaner and has much more to offer than it has in the past few years, but its still not enough for too many people. I am starting to believe that the real problem here is that the region is stuck in the fifties, when white men ruled the city and they just cannot get over the new "urbananity" of the situation. Clevland, Chicago, NY, Philly, St. Loius, and countless other cities have gotten over it and their regions support the central city... When will metro do the same? | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 118 Registered: 11-2006 |
On balance, the rebirth, revitalization in Detroit far exceeds the natural decay (as posts suggest there is a LOT of regrowth taking place in '07 and '08). Face it, in most Midwestern and Eastern cities, a lot of the city was built many, many years ago and the downtowns, housing stock, schools, roads and bridges (did anyone mention fixing the "Lodge"?) are showing their age and decay. The inner suburbs are getting older as well. The true test is whether any city can continually regrow itself. I think Detroit can and the downtown area will lead the growth - I think from CBD downtown OUTWARD as mentioned areas like Midtown and the riverfront. Downtown will not be an island. | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 119 Registered: 11-2006 |
One of the good things I see for Detroit,(I see it more pronounced in D.C.) is the growing (mostly young) population, without children, moving into downtowns and probably along the riverfront in the next couple years. Young professionals typically put more into the cities coffers then they take out. Typically they have nice incomes and have minimal need for government services (e.g., schools, social services, etc.). This demographic shift will help Detroit government financially and the demographic shift should really pick up with the new riverfront housing to be built. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5473 Registered: 02-2004 |
In 2008 Detroit's population will still continue to decrease to 802,000 people. It's black population will also decrease to under 610,000, But its white population will receive about 5,000 people while 1,000 older white families left Detroit for good. The Hispanic population will continue to increase to over 55,000 people and Arabs and Bengladeshis will continue to grow in the East sides and West sides of Detroit. There would be new stores, lofts and single family homes around midtown and its ghettos and few abandon buildings will be torn down also. KING KWAME KILPATRICK will remain mayor while the city continues to struggle from its 400 Million dollar deficit. Detroit Public Schools will continue to lose more students to charter schools and more schools will be closed. It would be same ole' predicament in Detroit like this year. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5474 Registered: 02-2004 |
What year would Detroit come back? By the year 2050. | ||
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2007 |
How will we know when Detroit has made a comeback? What signals this? The amount/type/color of people? Or the quality of life? Amount of abandon buildings? As Jack once said in a movie "What if this is as good as it gets?" | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2006 |
yelloweyes: I'd like to post a 'non-answer' answer. Cities are like our personal financial balance sheets. On Dec 31 of each year they are either getting better or worse. Few folks hit the lottery or inherit big bucks so things get incrementally better or worse. Folks have a 'gut feeling' about their finances. I believe Detroit will continue to improve incrementally hopefully at an increasing rate. No way to say any city is X% of the way toward its goal of 100% revitalization or Phase I has been complete and now Phase II begins. To me, cities are perpetual. They are born, mature, show age and decay, begin to rebuild and revitalize, etc. I believe Detroit has long since 'bottomed out' and is revitalizing at what might an 'increasing rate'. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 504 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yep things are definitely starting to look promising...the one thing though that will stall Detroit's rebirth short of where it could be is all the available office space in suburbs...all the towers in places like Troy and Southfield will keep tons of businesses in the suburbs at least over the next few decades.. | ||
Beavis1981 Member Username: Beavis1981 Post Number: 152 Registered: 08-2006 |
You gotta love hopeless optimism. Even though the city has been clawing it's way back. We have not bottomed out yet. The other 130 sq miles of city are just as bad as they have ever been. Drugs are just as availible as they have ever been. Murders are up. In 2000-980,000 2007 est 820,000-920,000 2010 750,000? until those # start going up don't throw any parties. | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 844 Registered: 11-2003 |
Emu_steve wrote, "To me, cities are perpetual." Not necessarily. Ever heard of Pompeii? Or the Native American city of Cahokia in Illinois, or Teotihuacan in Mexico...or thousands of other places. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2359 Registered: 10-2004 |
The Census Bureau said 836K at EOY 2005. This meant an annual population loss of 23K since EOY 2000. Therefore, if this depopulating continues at near this rate, expect the population to dip below 800K during this coming summer (quite probably in August). | ||
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2007 |
I agree, a battle was been won (downtown) but the war continues (neighborhoods). | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 64 Registered: 05-2006 |
I love this city and I wish I could share your optimism. What will be the economic driver that will turn this around? I used to say automotive manufacturing but with the globalization of this entire industry when it comes back this area will see less of the benefits. We need to diversity our local economy but how ? Our school system (at least DPS) doesn't know to educate its students for life beyond manufacturing plants. When the golden goose of middle class wages with a high school diploma dies just how do you replace that ? I don't think you can replace those types of wages without a high tech education of which many people are unwilling or not capable of doing. At least in cities like DC where the gov't runs things or Chicago where industry is diversified enough to handle to economic ups and downs you can see light at the end of the tunnel. Right now I can just see move out of the region or be ready to downscale your lifestyle to adjust to the lower wages that the non-manufacturing industries will bring. | ||
Granmontrules Member Username: Granmontrules Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2007 |
"The war is in the neighborhoods" I agree with that statement. We have to fix them. Downtown is on a roll. Lets hope this Next Detroit initiative continues and works well in the hoods. I hope mine is next! | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 505 Registered: 06-2006 |
governments and volunteers cann't do much to fix the neighborhoods...the condition of a neighborhood is the direct product of the people who live in them...any progress will be short lived if the people who live in those neighborhoods are not onboard...and history tells us they are not | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 675 Registered: 11-2004 |
Every year for about the last 10, in a way, has been a comeback year for Detroit. Each seemingly better than last, so you can't pin any year as the comeback year. Also as great as projects like BC and all the new lofts are they overall they aren't the most important thing . Detroit's TRUE comeback year is the one where we see a major drop in crime or improvement in school quality | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 65 Registered: 05-2006 |
"The war is in the neighborhoods" I agree with that as well. The Next Detroit initiative however means little if there is no industry to put in the neighborhoods. In some areas in Detroit the viable economy to speak of are the party stores, some drug houses and whatever folks are getting from social services. Look at the boarded houses even in the better areas of the city it is bad and getting worse. I see this as more than a temporary economic downturn. I see Detroit as needing a domestic Marshall Plan. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 834 Registered: 11-2003 |
the future of michigan is in detroit. downtown and midtown have been the catalysts. the real battle that metro-detroit has is with itself. there needs to be a core city, racism, poverty, crime, and other social factors have really hurt this region. a region cannot prosper without a central city. you cannot have people in a region thinking that the central city is now "big beaver" road. in terms of becoming an attraction again, downtown and midtown detroit are there again. as far as a livable city in the grand scemes of things, then detroit has some very nice neighborhoods... but core problems do exist. crime, schools, lowering taxes, mass transit, job growth are things that must be dealt with | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 402 Registered: 10-2006 |
It's a vicious circle. Because crime, poor schools, high taxes, and lack of mass transit, are all occurring in Detroit, most people don't want to move there. Also, when people left they helped to further many of these things, so it is hard to solve these problems. In my opinion downtown was the place to start. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 2037 Registered: 07-2004 |
"Downscale your lifestyle to adjust to the lower wages that the non-manufacturing industries will bring." "I see Detroit as needing a domestic Marshall Plan." Firstandten, where have you been? Your thoughts are right on the money. People keep talking about Michigan diversifying the economy. With what I ask? There are three sectors to an economy: manufacturing, farming, and services. Michigan's focus has been manufacturing. Mississippi's has been farming. Nevada's has been services. Michigan's economy should be divided equally between the three, but it hasn't. Manufacturing has dominated Michigan's economy and it still does. However, to expect Michigan to bounce back after losing 1/3 of its economy and then make it up by filling all those lost jobs in the other two sectors is unrealistic and short-sighted. The lost in manufacturing jobs has been going on in this country for decades now. It is a national problem. Michigan is being hit hardest because manufacturing is a big part of the economy. What is happening in Michigan is only a reflection of what is happening in this country. As long as corporations believe that being competitive globally means shipping manufacturing jobs overseas to save labor costs, Michigan and the U.S. will continue to lose well paying jobs. Replacing these jobs with service jobs can only result in lower wages for more American workers. Training displaced workers to become high-tech workers is a noble idea, but once you glut the market with all of these new high-tech workers, then the wages of those so-called high-paying, high-tech jobs will go down. This country can not survive without manufacturing jobs. Period. If everything that we buy is made elsewhere and we're stuck with low-paying service jobs, then who's going to be able to buy all of those products any way? The leaders in industry and government have to do a better job of protecting American jobs, especially manufacturing or this country will become a second-world country. (Message edited by royce on February 04, 2007) | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 71 Registered: 08-2006 |
It can really get at me thinking about Detroits future it really seems make or break. If Detroit does not improve and begin to retain residents and businesses at a higher level this time around I think it is the city's last shot. With the sunbelt exploding as well as metro Chicago and the south not to mention globalization there is a lot stacked against us. Detroit does have a large urban infrastructure, high amounts of talent and high tech employment, seasons if you like that sor of thing, endless water which has seen massive investements in cleanup, history and character. It is really hard to say what is going to happen but I believe if it isnt in full swing by 2010, which it seems to be rising to, then I dont believe the city will have a chance until the world has massive water shortages. It is hard to explain to my friends what I think is going to happen with the Great City of Detroit! | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2007 |
Livernoisyard you said, How can you be expected to be taken seriously when you bring nothing but optimism to the table. Them be just words... Alright, I can bring more than hope. But this, as with most things in life, depends on you perception. I believe that job "growth" (albeit modest) is a sign of a rebound. It also seems as if you are hanging Detroit's rebirth on 1 (again albeit a very important one) factor. JOBs. I personally believe you can find a job(outside of manufacturing) if you want one and our qualified(Just had 3 friends move from Atlanta all got jobs 1 Branch Manager for Chase, 1 Mortgage Banker with Quicken, and 1 Account Exec with First Data. All should make over 50K) . I also believe that at least this year, people weren't just laid off, they were also bought out. If you add up the 100Ks floating around this place right now, that adds up to a lot of money. Also read an article saying most were going to say. If that money is used right, that can, dare I say CREATE new jobs. I personally believe that the completion of well over a billion dollars in infrastructure is a hellofa sign of a comeback for a city that hasn't had any sort of major investment in more than 30 year(other than the Ren Cen on 1 Detroit). "Michigan" will be alright. Every economy goes through cycles, that is econ 101, but for a "city" that has been DEAD for 40 years to finally have life again and for that life to be finished, done, completed(not just talked about or planned), man that is GREAT!!! And in a region with approx 4MM people, if 7% of those people are unemployed, than that still leaves 3.72MM that are employed. Those 3.7MM people still spend money, hell just look at every Piston's, Tiger's, Wing's and Lions's home game. Things can't be too bad if they still sell out 160+ home games every year. Look I'm not saying things aren't bad, but you HAVE to admit, the City of Detroit, in 2008 will be a interesting place to be. And if you compare that with where we have been, that is a comeback in my book!! | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 411 Registered: 10-2006 |
Detroit is on an upswing, maybe not the surrounding suburbs and probably not Michigan, but at this point I am rooting for Detroit. This city has been able to go against the trend for decades and is now doing a lot to redevelop from downtown to the recent neighborhood initiatives. If Detroit has made it this far for this long, it has no where to go but to continue to go up! | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5480 Registered: 02-2004 |
Mike, You're right on the money! If Detroit dies the suburbs die, too. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 22 Registered: 01-2007 |
Thejesus you said, any progress will be short lived if the people who live in those neighborhoods are not onboard I agree, but the lack of support from the neighborhoods is due to a lack of hope. Without HOPE for a better day, people won't try to improve themselves. HOPE can be obtained by volunteering. Hope is NOT inherent, it is learned and it takes someone (usually a parent, but if that doesn't exist than someone else needs to do it)to show you that there is life beyond the city block you live on.Trust me, I am a living witness to what standing in front of a group of young kids and telling them you can be more can do. If more people did that, than our neighborhoods would be better. The people is, people say fix the neighborhoods, just use some body else. But it takes a commitment, because trust me the forces for evil are committed to their cause as well!! | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2368 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: You really need to first think about what you're writing and then flesh it out so that it makes sense... The 7.1% unemployment (7.6+% next year, BTW) is for the ENTIRE state, not just Metro Detroit. Now, here is where you really need to learn how to think... After you subtracted the incorrectly determined unemployed, you thoughtlessly assumed that 100% of the rest of the 4 million (actually, it's closer to 5 million, BTW) would be working! That means that everybody who isn't unemployed works. I doubt if many new-born babies work, or for that matter, anybody under 18. Kids even don't have paper routes any longer, either. And just how many retirees do you think are working, especially the older ones? And what about a fair number of Detroit's welfare class who never ever had a job? Are they all gainfully employed? If I were you, I would really consider fixing up that post. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 67 Registered: 05-2006 |
Fareastsider you said Detroit has "endless water which has seen massive investements in cleanup, history and character. The western states such as Nevada,California Arizona etc would just love to tap into our water. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 24 Registered: 01-2007 |
Was trying to make a point, I think you understood what I was trying to say. You still haven't talked about the validity of it!!! The problem is people like you are always trying to show how smart they are! If you want to get technical we can! (The name Detroit sometimes refers to the Metro Detroit area, a sprawling region with a population of 4,488,335 for the Metropolitan Statistical Area) from en.wikipedia.org. I think that is close to 4 than 5. The retirees has A PENSION/SSN so they don't need to work, they have an income coming in. Which further enhances my point!! I took the LIBERTY of not saying 4,488,335, for fear that some ASSHOLE like you would say, oh! he left out the kids. I was leaving out the kids in the numbers I used you JERK!!! The UNEMPLOYMENT rate for metro Detroit is around 7.2 percent as well. http://www.bls.gov/news.releas e/metro.t01.htm GET YOUR FACTS straight pal, think about what you're writing and then flesh it out so that it makes sense. OH and learn how to THINK!! You negative ASS!! | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 838 Registered: 06-2004 |
2007 will be the tipping point. Mike, you are so right that Detroit is the key to Michigan's future. Try telling people in the suburbs that though. they just don't get it. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 69 Registered: 05-2006 |
Here's a possible scenario for the immediate future. Detroit's leaders do everything possible in the downtown area to make downtown a destination spot. This way the political leaders can show something tangible and thus get re-elected. The trickle down effect from that could create some gentrification in the neighborhoods bordering downtown. We are only talking a very small part of Detroit however. | ||
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2007 |
"...the condition of a neighborhood is the direct product of the people who live in them..." I agree with this statement. This is what makes a Detroit "comeback" so difficult. It is a culture and education issue. As someone else pointed out it's a cycle. The government can only do so much. I believe in the next ten to twenty years Detroit will have a strong(er) central city surrounded by solid neighborhoods (Brush Park, Midtown, Corktown, Indian Village,riverfront etc..) and the rest of the neighborhoods remain in ruins supported by the welfare system. Simmilar to what exists now except with more middle and upperclass in downtown and the immediate surrounding neighborhoods. I realize this is the way it is now. I am just saying in the upcoming decade the trend will continue. Unless there are some DRAMATIC changes in how we approach crime issues and urban education/youth. | ||
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2007 |
Firstandten: I must have been writing my post at almost the same time as yours. We posted very similar statements. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 26 Registered: 01-2007 |
Quote: believe in the next ten to twenty years Detroit will have a strong(er) central city surrounded by solid neighborhoods (Brush Park, Midtown, Corktown, Indian Village,riverfront etc..) and the rest of the neighborhoods remain in ruins supported by the welfare system Isn't that how most large cities are anyway? A few very strong neighborhoods with a vibrant downtown. I think I could live with being like most large cities. Continue what is going on downtown, develop the east riverfront, work on some retail development, and things in Detroit should be fine. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 718 Registered: 08-2006 |
"IS 2008 the year of Detroit's comeback " Will there be 1.8 million people? several thousand more jobs? Full neighborhoods? Busy Factories? Full office towers downtown? More rail traffic than car traffic? My guess is no. That's not to say there won't be a ton of great new stuff happening in the city. | ||
French777 Member Username: French777 Post Number: 115 Registered: 10-2006 |
actually people here in the suburbs are saying nicer things about Detroit. Only Downtown Though and Midtown everywhere else they make fun of. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 27 Registered: 01-2007 |
My only point is this, as this is the day of the Super Bowl, Chad Pennington was the 2006 NFL Player of the year. I am sure the sports fans on this forum won't try to compare Chad Pennington to Peyton Manning. Comeback doesn't mean you are the BEST in the league, it just means you were a HELLOFALOT better than last year. I am sure most of us want what is best for Detroit, but 1.8MM, come on, that is an awful high expectation for a "comeback" Start comparing a comeback to Chad and not Peyton!!! | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 720 Registered: 08-2006 |
"I am sure most of us want what is best for Detroit, but 1.8MM, come on, that is an awful high expectation for a "comeback" I know, but it would be amazing if in 50 years, Detroit was back to the state it was in back in 1950. This is the best goal I've heard for the city. "believe in the next ten to twenty years Detroit will have a strong(er) central city surrounded by solid neighborhoods (Brush Park, Midtown, Corktown, Indian Village,riverfront etc..) and the rest of the neighborhoods remain in ruins supported by the welfare system" Now, not perfect, still not bad. | ||
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2007 |
QUOTE: "Isn't that how most large cities are anyway? A few very strong neighborhoods with a vibrant downtown. I think I could live with being like most large cities. " I agree. Although, I think most who belong to this forum dream of a 1950's Detroit, and that would be the ultimate COMEBACK! | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1089 Registered: 01-2004 |
quote: The only reason I think people from the burbs are saying nicer things about Downtown, and Midtown is cuz they are now more exposed to them. With the Tigers, the MLB playoffs, Allstar game, Superbowl hype, and so and so, suburban folks have actually SEEN the big scary downtown that they've been clowning for years. Also the fact that more suburban kids are living in the downtown / midtown area, and have their friends over on the weekends. I can't even recall how many times I've heard a burbanite call Belle Isle, or a residential area (like Rosedale park) a "death trap". It's simply a matter of exposure. | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 144 Registered: 12-2006 |
I will think of Detroit - the region - as successful when our young adults choose to stay here instead of fleeing to other regions and when our regional population growth is roughly equal to our national population growth. I will think of Detroit - the City - as successful when it starts to focus on its real problems (crime, schools and lack of transit) and the population stabilizes at a reasonable level (say, 1.1 to 1.4 million). Neither of these is likely to happen as soon as 2008. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 76 Registered: 08-2006 |
French 777 I agree completely. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2108 Registered: 10-2003 |
The thread title is misleading, as if the city will suddenly reach a point of stasis if items A, B, and C are all addressed. It's a city--a dynamic organism. Things are going to change constantly, for better or for worse. | ||
Oliverdouglas Member Username: Oliverdouglas Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2006 |
quote: "believe in the next ten to twenty years Detroit will have a strong(er) central city surrounded by solid neighborhoods (Brush Park, Midtown, Corktown, Indian Village,riverfront etc..) and the rest of the neighborhoods remain in ruins supported by the welfare system" ummm... Green Acres, Sherwood Forest, Palmer Woods, Bagley Community, University District, Rosedale Park, Grandmont - we're not in ruins here on the Northwest side. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 476 Registered: 01-2006 |
I think 2009 will be the big debut for Detroit. With the majority projects done or nearing completion, 30,000 visitors will come in for the NCAA Basketball Final Four. It's the perfect opportunity to bring in thousands from different regions to see what the "New Detroit" is all about | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2109 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: You know what Einstein's definition of "insanity" was. What is the NCAA Final Four going to do that Super Bowl XL didn't??? Ever think that throwing parties all the time is just a distraction from doing any actual rebuilding? | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 477 Registered: 01-2006 |
I'm saying in terms of reaching people from outside this region. What has the potential to happen between SBXL and March Madness 2009 is HUGE in terms of public image outside of the state. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2391 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Yawn! People have very short memories in this regard, as they have lives. For example, after a few weeks, people tend to forget who even played in the previous SB or the previous college basketball tourneys. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 478 Registered: 01-2006 |
But for those that travel to those destinations, they never forget them. I've traveled to 2 other super bowl locations, 4 final four locations and 5 NCAA hockey frozen four locations. Each city I have been to more than once, but my opinion about them was made when I visited for those specific events. If 30,000 people leave Detroit with a good impression in the spring of 2009 that is a damn good thing for the region. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 732 Registered: 08-2006 |
"People have very short memories in this regard, as they have lives." A good experience in Detroit will do a lot for the city. My family went to go see Marquette in the sweet 16 and elite 8 a couple years ago in Minneapolis. We left with a great image of the city we once hated. Moneyed out of town tourists are the people going to the games. Tickets cost several hundred dollars. Its a great thing to have moneyed people interested in Detroit. Get them to come back time and time again. Not just for sporting events. So no, it is not a big yawn. It's a shot in the arm for the business community. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1317 Registered: 10-2003 |
2008? That's dyslexic.... 2080 is more like it. Long after we're all dead. Sorry, but it's true. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2110 Registered: 10-2003 |
All image and no substance, huh? LOL Image is great, but it doesn't employ people. It doesn't fix the most dysfunctional transit system in the nation. Image doesn't educate people, pay taxes, stop suburban sprawl, keep jobs, renovate buildings, fill offices, build on empty lots, reduce crime, or improve services. And you know what? As someone who watched last year's Super Bowl XL from an out-of-state location, people stopped talking about Detroit about as soon as the game finished. Not one person said to me, "Oooh! Detroit!". So keep throwing your parties, and trying to rebuild the city around sexy sporting events and casinos. Just don't complain when no one outside Michigan cares. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2392 Registered: 10-2004 |
So, all Detroit has to do is to quickly educate its uneducated, strip away its public graft and corruption, train the untrained, bring a bare minimum of about 100,000 new jobs to the region (for starters), and somehow keep its violent and property crimes in check and keep them there for a few years. Sounds doable NOT! | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 735 Registered: 08-2006 |
"Just don't complain when no one outside Michigan cares" I care! I have spread the good news coming of Detroit to my friends. If you want the city and region to succeed, everybody could and should stop bad mouthing this great city and state. Of coarse nothings going to change if you have a mopy attitude about the future. "oh it all over", "pack it up". FUCK NO! The city and region will one day thrive. When I don't know, but I do know that it will eventually happen. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 479 Registered: 01-2006 |
The last 15 responses in this thread speak to the true lack of regionalism in SE Michigan. Yeah there is a lot of negative shit around here, but sitting around bitching about it is not going to change anything. If all you do is sit around an complain about it on a message board, then you are the problem. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2111 Registered: 10-2003 |
I care too, which is why I post here. Imagine a restaurant that runs positive commercials all the time. If the food still sucks despite the commercials, are you going to eat there? Probably not. PR and self-promotion are not Detroit's problems. Disinvestment and decentralization are Detroit's problems. How does an ad campaign fix either of those? Success for a region isn't based on happy feelings and "Say Nice Things About Detroit". Unfortunately, it's based on economic realities, like an educated, skilled workforce, and an efficient transportation system. The people who tout self-promotion are the ones who are implicitly calling for Detroit to pack it up, because they have already abandoned all concepts of reality, and refuse to recognize that the work that needs to be done doesn't consist of glossy magazine spreads, slick commercials, and extravagant parties. Until Detroit chooses to face reality, it will remain irrelevant. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2393 Registered: 10-2004 |
Milwaukee, when you get out of school and get away from your folks' money in an affluent Northshore Milwaukee suburb, maybe then you'll realize that people need to work now and not dream about things and events which may never ever happen. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 615 Registered: 01-2006 |
Our downtown area may not measure up to that of some other cities, but if you remember what it was like, say, twenty-five years ago, it's come a LONG way. The downtown area isn't the whole issue, of course, but I'm just sayin', like, y'know, that's a GOOD thing. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 1104 Registered: 03-2006 |
anyone have pics of downtown in the 80's. All ever got to see was the x-way straight to Joe Louis Arena | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 736 Registered: 08-2006 |
"maybe then you'll realize that people need to work now and not dream about things and events which may never ever happen" I realize people need work and they need jobs. I understand that is hurting the region. The lack of any original thought is what is hurting the job market. Nobody is trying new stuff. Break the chains of the old ways and have new ideas. Bill Gates didn't become rich by just graduating high school and getting on an assembly line at Ford. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2113 Registered: 10-2003 |
^But most people aren't Bill Gates, either. Those kinds of people are going to find their way regardless. It's the folks fleeing for Chicago and the coasts that should be the concern. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 737 Registered: 08-2006 |
If those people are going to more open minded cities, then Detroit should try what they're doing. Seriously crack down on crime. Invest in parks and infastructure. Bring fiscal responsibility to DPS. Make sure people )teachers, police, other city employees) do their jobs to the full extent. None of that is happening today and the city continues to decline. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2395 Registered: 10-2004 |
I talked to an AT&T lineman repairing a break in my next door neighbor's cable line this afternoon. He mentioned that one of his coworkers reported to the Detroit police a theft of their copper lines which will cost AT&T $10,000 to replace and, according to him, the DPD wasn't interested. Apparently, that type of theft is not material enough for them to get off their collective asses. And just who in the long run is going to pay for such losses (remember, that was but one reported incident of many)? This is but the tip of the iceberg. The DPD often do not respond to calls at hit-&-run automobile accidents, among others, (I witnessed three of those myself where the DPD was called but never showed). Everybody in Detroit has actual first-party accounts of these, or at least second-hand accounts from those they trust. And we're only noting the DPD here. The city graft and corruption probably dates back to the early 1800s, for all I know. It seems that most everybody has noted or heard of accounts of these too. Detroit's a mess! (Message edited by LivernoisYard on February 05, 2007) | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 677 Registered: 11-2004 |
You know what Einstein's definition of "insanity" was. What is the NCAA Final Four going to do that Super Bowl XL didn't??? Ever think that throwing parties all the time is just a distraction from doing any actual rebuilding Distraction? First, this a chance to inject tourism dollars to the city, there is a reason why cites fight for events like this. Secondly, it's chance promote the overall improvement in the city I'd hardly call these distractions. I think your restaurant analogy is off. Imagine a restaurant where it's know that the food has been bad for years. Over the last few years the food had gotten better, but no one knows. Even the place still needs work, it's good to tout the improvements you have made. Does promoting stop further improvement in the product? Absolutely not, if anything it an incentive to keep improving. The last thing you want is people who've seen the place improve is to backslide. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2114 Registered: 10-2003 |
^Who is really important, here? Nonresidents and all the celebrities attending the Super Bowl who couldn't give two shits about Detroit, or the people who do (or could) live and work there everyday? | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 836 Registered: 11-2003 |
its about this... someone who does not go to downtown goes to enjoy the festivities, eats at a restuarant downthere. few weeks down the road, he is hungry again and is sick of the tired food that applebeas, chilies, red lobster, etc have to offer so he suggests that him and his party go to "that great place we ate at during the super bowl" thats besides the point. the tipping point for the D could be when mass transit is in place. hopfully that commuter line between aa and dd will get going. i know that i would freqent aa more often (i only go there for work right now) if there was a commuter line in place. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 2119 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Okay, that's great--but is this the way to sustain a city of 850,000 people? And going back to self-promotion, how does that tie-in with this? Am I to understand the city should spend millions of dollars in order to attract a few thousand people to eat downtown on occasion? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2409 Registered: 10-2004 |
Mike, maybe that great place could deliver your meal for you.That way the taxpayers wouldn't have to pay for your getting there and back. And you don't have to live conveniently close to the rapid transit or bus feeder lines. Think about that! | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 837 Registered: 11-2003 |
you all make great points that i completly agree with, but your nieve if you do not think that detroit will survive without tourism from other parts of the midwest and especillaly the suburbs. detroit needs to sell itself, as well as take care of the other things on the plate. any corporation or business will tell you the same way. yes we have to improve product, but marketing is also key. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 838 Registered: 11-2003 |
livernois... i forget, which major metro city in america does not have a mass transit system and is vibrant? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2425 Registered: 10-2004 |
I have no qualms against mass transit--just against expensive rapid transit for a city like Detroit that doesn't have the density nor the funds to build and operate it. For what, just to shave off a few minutes? Buses would definitely be needed for everything else anyway. Let them ride buses! | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 678 Registered: 11-2004 |
Dan it goes way beyond getting people eat downtown a few times A recent news story said that attendance at the Campus Martius rink is up 25% compared to last year. That 25% is enjoying the city not for a special event, but for the sake of it. Which has been the hardest thing to get people around here to do. The Super Bowl exposed thousands in the region to changes in the city and I doubt you'd have that 25% increase without a catalyst like the Super Bowl. These people, in the least, are pumping more money into the city which will spur more business growth. Some may decide they enjoy spending time downtown so much that they move. A post on the forum by someone hadn't visited the city years further illustrates my point. One trip to the city transformed their view of it. Think about repeating this experience for thousands of people in 2009. If what's happened at CM is an indicator, you're going to have even more people who live locally that want to spend time, money and potentially live in city. https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/62684/89682.html Yes, there are limitations to what this type of stuff can do, it won't lower crime, or diversify the economy. But I wouldn't completely dismiss these events as parties for out of towners. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 260 Registered: 11-2006 |
It may lower crime, and diversify the economy. If more people are enjoying downtown, new attractions will venture to the city. Then, businesses will be lured. If Detroit was more dense, including visitors, I bet that crime per capita would drop dramatically. If places are busy, vibrant, dense, utilized there will be less crime than an area of dark, empty, abandonment | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5103 Registered: 10-2003 |
Livernois, it's been beaten to death before, but if you're against rapid transit, at least make up some better excuses, because we all know how dense Dallas and Houston, and how wealthy Buffalo and Cleveland are, right? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2428 Registered: 10-2004 |
LMichigan, you're dense. Without the money, it's impossible to go forward. That's a deal-breaker. Period. In the interim, you can play your SimCity games. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 841 Registered: 11-2003 |
mass transit does not cost as much money as your imagining it to cost. its not like i know, but we spend so much tax dollars on improving roads to nowhere where only a few hundred people live. think of all the space that we in metro detroit have wasted. think of the pavement that covers NOVI. We all have to pay for that pavement, we dont all live there or even go there, but we still have to waste the pavement. think about what not having mass transit does to a region... if you are not wealthy enough to have a car, your limited to a poor bus system... thus you cannot find a job outside the 1 or 2 mile radius that is your ghetto, cannot go to one of the many higher education centers that we have here. your limiting the influx of business and contricting too many socioeconimic issues. the benefit of mass transit far out wieghts the cost. as a region we become better promotible. this is not a pie in the sky idea, nor am i nieve to think that it will answer all of our problems. but just think of the many places you could connect via mass transit that in our sprawling metro are just too far away. downtown wayne state oakland university henry ford cranbrook shoping centers belle isle old suburban downtowns such as birmingham and royal oak Detroit Zoo Ann Arbor Hospital Campuses in the Suburbs Palace of AH DCX Headquarters And most of all... Metro Airport The places of icons and events that could be connected are huge in Metro Detroit. We need to connect the region. What we have now is silly, I do not see any incentive for any corporation to build a factory here, office space here, or anything here. We have brain drain because students are leaving here for more vibrant urban communities and oppurtunities. heck, my friends and I talk about moving here all the time, one of the reason is mass transit and that every thing in metro detroit is so far away. but maybe thats what the problem is, maybe people in this area do not want to be connected, wasnt that the main reason for sprawl anyways, how affulent you were was directed proportional to how far away you lived from detroit. and many here do not want to have people from detroit entering oakland county, etc... this mentality has gotten us no where and has hurt us so much economically, socially, and mentally | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 2483 Registered: 10-2004 |
What is getting to be irksome is the continuance of many posters on DY not having a clue as to what mass transit really means. It essentially is any public transportation system. But it appears that way too many on DY always believe it refers to rail of some sort. Metro Detroit already has mass transit and has for decades. Today for Metro Detroit, it's primarily DDOT and SMART, plus a number of smaller systems in some of the burbs, in addition to a limited number of AMTRAK runs and even the Greyhound bus and taxicabs. Rail systems come under rapid transit, although streetcars might be considered rail, but by no means would this option be rapid. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 4734 Registered: 10-2003 |
LY, I'm shocked to find myself agreeing with you. As a regular user of the system, I also am irked by those that ignore what we have now and decide that to save Detroit we must build from the ground up. Take this list from the prior post for example: downtown - (served by many bus lines wayne state - served by several bus lines oakland university - ? henry ford - Hospital or the complex both served cranbrook - Smart Woodward lines shoping centers - most older centers have multiple lines to and from belle isle - has buses that go onto the Island as well as Jefferson lins old suburban downtowns such as birmingham and royal oak - service to both especially with the RO Transit Center as a destination for numerous lines. Detroit Zoo - Woodward buslines specifically Ann Arbor - iffy Hospital Campuses in the Suburbs - inner ring hospitals for the most part have service. Palace of AH - limited to special events DCX Headquarters - an auto headquarters? And most of all... Metro Airport - SMART 125 from Downtown gets you within a few hundred feet of the terminal. The main problem with the current system is lack of ridership resulting in fewer buses per route. But it is possible to use the system to get around the area, it is just not convenient as things stand now. If ridership warranted it the routes in place currently would serve much of the area well. Since ridership is low fewer buses are put out and we have a service which is at best mostly inefficient. | ||
Eric_w Member Username: Eric_w Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2007 |
Reading some of these comments are interesting but I've hearing about Detroit's"Comeback" since 1976. The simple truth is; Detroit isn't the hub of the region anymore-it's more like a hole in a donut- people live in one suburb and work in another.They can build all they want to Downtown but why would anyone give up their nice house in a subdivision with a 2-3 acre lot by a lake to live in the City? What live in Brightmoor or the Mack & Chene area? The neighborhoods which were-repeat were Detroit's foundation for good city life are sadly so far gone they're probably never get revived. Ever seen the schools in Lake orion, Rochester, Plymouth or Northville? Now take a look at what Detroit has. FYI... I hope I'm wrong I really do but I've heard it before. | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 2093 Registered: 07-2004 |
This thread deserves to be bumped up before going to the archives. With that said, let me just say that without solid neighborhoods - those where people work, and can shop at local stores, and where they care for their children, and look out for their neighbors, Detroit will continue to struggle. Do not let all of the talk about "lofts" in Downtown or Midtown fool you into thinking Detroit's on the comeback trail. It's a plus but there is so much more work to be done. Detroit needs a New Deal or a Marshall Plan to get back on its feet. Period. (Message edited by royce on March 04, 2007) | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 42 Registered: 01-2007 |
Eric_w I don't think that is fair. That same question can be said about the hundreds of inner cities across America that are experiencing comebacks. It is the trend. The same trend that sent people out of cities across America 30 years ago. I don't think Detroit will rebound off the backs of the 40 and 50 year olds. It will be the 20 and 30 somethings that don't have the stigma of the 67 riots in their heads and want the action of city life with the character of the neighborhoods that will bring Detroit back. Detroit just needs to find its niche. Will people live in Brightmoor or Mack and Chene? No. But they might live in West Village, EEV, Corktown, Woodbridge or any of the other couple dozen neighborhoods in the city. I was riding through West Village/Islandview today and within a 10 block radius, I swear I saw about 10 homes that you could tell were being rehabbed. And that is in Feburary/March. Imagine what things will look like in the Spring. We live in Berry and the contractor we are using to update our house says that he has 3 other jobs going right now in NEZ neighborhoods. 2008 might not be the year, but Detroit's comeback is undeniable. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2007 |
2008, I invite friends from L.A for a week,we stay at MGM CASINO HOTEL wed,thurs dinner at Houstons an Motown Cafe. ThurSday head to cultural center,do all the museums,lunch AND SHOPPING @ ASIAN VILLAGE AN REN CEN.People mover to Greektown Casino Hotel. see bjork in concert lol. walk to campus mart live jazz show stroll to the NEW BOOK CADILLAC HOTEL drink in the CRYSTAL BALLROOM. stay the night overlooking Capital Park,(entire park torn out and being re paved statues relocating. retail already opening around park,lunch next day sat in ERNEST N YOUNG LOBBY,ASIAN SEAFOOD RESTAURANT.visit belle isle during grand prix races ,TIGER GAME AT 6:30,Bar hop in PARK AVE BEHIND FOX. SUNDAY tRIP TO CANADA AND Tour of historical buildings,theaters,and neighborhoods. Hit MOTOR CITY CASINO HOTEL drink an spend an shop, then hit the red eye 1232 flight. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2007 |
oh forgot to squeeze in a trip in ann arbor on sat morning on the new transit train round trip. | ||
Fjw718 Member Username: Fjw718 Post Number: 100 Registered: 11-2005 |
sick! | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 205 Registered: 02-2007 |
Guys notice something about what's happening? Time's repeating itself. Soul Music is returning, fads are coming back, heck like now, the folks from the 1900s were fleeing the exburbs and farmlands for inner city life. Detroit had it's biggest blossom during the early 1900s and now one is brewing for the early 2000s. So it's very probable that Detroit will become a world class city again like it was through half to three quarters of the 1900s. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2007 |
The MGM interior WILL BE AWESOME,The 6 day summer blast on the Riverwalk will open more doors of entertainment for tourists,suddenly the people mover stations will be surrounded by new density as intended.Greektown will transform with a 30 story hotel towering over it.Motor city casino rendering will be the one to hit international news with its car inspired design.ASIAN VILLAGE.Watch the asian communities suddenly appearance downtown,many employees of GM,opting for easy commute.BOOK CADILLAC will be marked as Michigans greatest hotel.PICK FORT SHELBY will share the spotlite for true urban fever. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 628 Registered: 12-2006 |
Motor City was car inspired? I could have sworn it looks something like a fish tank! | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 298 Registered: 08-2006 |
Everyone has their own opinion about weather Detroit will rise again and become a cleaner, more productive, and populous city again. People will argue till they are blue in the face about why dates such as 2008 will be the start of a big change. But I was thinking the other day that no matter what the progress nobody is any more right than anybody else. I have seen many old news papers and other documents from the early fifties especially from the 250th birthday. Then everybody just thought Detroit would continue to become a greater city than it already was. I mean look at what the city had going for it then that it doesnt now. I dont think anyone on the streets knew what would happen to that city over the next 20-50 years. It would be beyond comprehension to most any citizen to see the abandonment and fall of the mighty city. My point is that many of us think that we know for sure that Detroit will come back or not, but by looking at the history I would say anything can happen. If the city could change as much as it has over all the years who the hell knows what 2008 will bring! | ||
Mortalman Member Username: Mortalman Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2007 |
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El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 63 Registered: 12-2006 |
Has Livernoisyard EVER said anything positive. He makes some good points, but man, he is such a negative nancy. If all people looked at life with his "the vessel is half empty" view we would be quite a depressing bunch of quitters. | ||
Swiburn Member Username: Swiburn Post Number: 94 Registered: 07-2006 |
I don't know about a comeback. To put this in perspective, they've been saying that Detroit is ready for a comeback since right after the l967 riots. The papers kept quoting Fr. Gabriel Richard's words (and city motto) " We hope for better things,,,it will arise from the ashes." | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 115 Registered: 03-2007 |
If you all take a full tour of the Greater downtown area, you'll see more developement/ redevelopement then anywhere in the entire state... nuff said | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 116 Registered: 03-2007 |
there is currently 100's of young sports fans all over downtown detroit, its 7pm, the game was over hours ago. This it wat causes smart marketing. A consistant crowd just hanging out will bring the kind of retail we've needed since the 50's | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 117 Registered: 03-2007 |
our last major development project happen almost 30 years ago. The Ren Cen was suppose to counteract the ferocious decline of the fabric of the city. 2008's developments combined outshine any developement since the 30's,40's,50's. Walking pass the new Greektown casino hotel felt scary,cause we are so use to stagnant growth. It will be amazing and weird to walk down monroe an see this monster glass hotel towering over old GREEKTOWN | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 118 Registered: 03-2007 |
bump | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 119 Registered: 03-2007 |
downtown's so called donut demographic will change in thew next two or three years to a punshki | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 303 Registered: 08-2006 |
what???? | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 45 Registered: 01-2007 |
the hole will be FILLED | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 120 Registered: 03-2007 |
I wonder if we are taking our own comeback serious. We are a people that went through a "thing" that has a lot of us believing we'll never recover. From the Largest race riot in the history of this country, The largest and most immediate de-population, The most segregated, Yet through it all, the most amazing things that were birthed during our most prosperous era remain today. Some up an running, while others sit frozen in time, waiting for there moment to either shine again or tear it down. our current level of development will set us up for the in-fills that bring the dense flow of foot traffic downtown. Woodward was a shit hole 10 years ago. today nearly every existing standing structure heading north toward warren ave. is either re-developed or on a verge of a rebirth.We on some new shit now and FALL 2008 WILL BE A MOMENT OF MANY 'FIRSTS' FOR THE CITY.Making at lease the greater downtown area lookin an feeling more an more like a real fully functioning city. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 121 Registered: 03-2007 |
Im in property management in downtown Detroit. We have recently had a big influx of suburban white young professionals and students moving in our building. Even though we havent done the nessesary upgrades; stainless steel appliences,new cabinets,updated lobby, the desire to be close to work and play has us building a very healthy melting pot of different people moving in. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 122 Registered: 03-2007 |
EASTERN MARKET WILL BE A PLACE TO LIVE AND SHOP. |
