  Epaminondas Member Username: Epaminondas Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2007 |
looks like the developer released the rendering to the free press this morning...  | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 346 Registered: 10-2006 |
Might there be a link to their site where one could possibly find an image that just happens to be a little larger and with better resolution? I tis a little difficult to infer much from this image. | ||
Epaminondas Member Username: Epaminondas Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2007 |
That's the only image on freep.com, but here's the article: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20070128/BUS INESS04/701280563/1017 Image on the real estate page: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/section?Category=BUSINESS 04 I'd love to see a higher res version if available. | ||
Bibs Member Username: Bibs Post Number: 654 Registered: 10-2003 |
I wish all parking structures in Detroit looked that good. Blends well with the architecture of the BC. Very upscale looking and pleasing to the eye. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 351 Registered: 10-2006 |
Often they are drawn to impress and garner interest, so it is interesting that they didn't release a better image. I spend time at my architecture office making renderings look sweet. I would be quite mad if mine got reduced to 1"x1". | ||
Dodgemain Member Username: Dodgemain Post Number: 136 Registered: 04-2005 |
It doesnt really matter what they end up looking like, the real value in this is living across the street from the coney islands. | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 89 Registered: 08-2006 |
Im sure someone could now post the image that was on here a week ago that had a very good resolution. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 3705 Registered: 10-2003 |
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Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1162 Registered: 10-2003 |
Very nice looking! | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 463 Registered: 01-2006 |
It looks to me that there is NOT a parking entrance on Michigan. Is this correct? I think this is the way it should be. It would make it more pedestrian friendly, not having to always worry about cars going in and out at that point. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 372 Registered: 12-2006 |
My best guess is that the entrance is either off of Shelby or Griswold. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2364 Registered: 02-2005 |
Not too bad looking...the first step in the gentrification of Capitol Park. I believe that a partial condo-conversion of the Stott Tower is next. | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 2326 Registered: 12-2004 |
quote: LMAO! | ||
Dan Member Username: Dan Post Number: 1345 Registered: 10-2003 |
Wow, I am impressed. Anyone know who the Roxybury Group is? Their website is lacking: http://roxbury-group.com/ | ||
Busterwmu Member Username: Busterwmu Post Number: 349 Registered: 09-2004 |
That looks really good. Ground level retail will be a major boost for that corner. Does anyone know if they plan to keep Shelby Street open once both structures are finished, or will they block it off as so many other Detroit streets are? | ||
Fnemecek Member Username: Fnemecek Post Number: 2327 Registered: 12-2004 |
It looks like they're keeping Shelby open. Besides, one of the things they used to finance the B-C was a historic preservation easement. That gave the developers some cash, but put an easement on the B-C's fascade and air rights. They can't do anything to either of those elements unless the Michigan Historic Preservation Network (holders of the easements) approves of it. | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 481 Registered: 12-2003 |
Those look damn nice. If the Lafayette Building starts soon then this block will be another of the "super" blocks I find throughout the city. SUPER BLOCKS are certain areas of the city that, when your viewing area is constrained, resemble normal cities. Some areas are the stretch of W. Grand Blvd between Cass and Third. Woodward between Mack and Selden Monroe between Randolph and St. Antoine. And Jefferson between 375 and the lodge connection ramps. Soon to be added to the list might be this stretch of MIchigan between Campus Martius and Washington. Once the Vinton is complete Woodward from Jefferson to C.M. and Broadway between Gratiot and Grand Circus Park. The perimeter of WSU's main campus, Cass/Palmer/Anthony Wayne/Warren, can also be included. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 464 Registered: 01-2006 |
Would you include Griswold from Jefferson to Michigan in this list? | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2367 Registered: 02-2005 |
Nicely put, Bussey. It's all about that sense of enclosure that comes from a lack of surface parking lots. I believe the majority of Griswold Street is in this league, Detroitstar, although I would love to see the parking garage at the corner of Larned next to the Buhl replaced. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2006 |
yea Griswold is my favorite view | ||
Busterwmu Member Username: Busterwmu Post Number: 351 Registered: 09-2004 |
I showed the rendering to a friend a few minutes ago. He made the very good point that it looks like they've wisely put the car entrances somewhere other than the Michigan Avenue facade. This is a very good thing, in my opinion. It gives the building a very clean from one of the city's most important spoke roads. And it will make walking along this stretch much simpler and no one should have to worry about a car flying into them pulling in or out. Hopefully it will be a nice wide sidewalk and some parallel parking.  It looks like there will be an entrance off Griswold, and maybe another off Shelby, but that's just a guess because you can't see it from the rendering. | ||
Sknutson Member Username: Sknutson Post Number: 782 Registered: 03-2004 |
Very nice looking - I especially like the roof line. If this really takes place, it sure minimizes the loss of the Detroit Commerce Bldg. One hopes that this can jump start the Capitol Park area - there is so much potential in that section of downtown. | ||
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2006 |
Let me add my praise as well. It blends so nicely with the BC. Nice to see quality buildings go up. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 664 Registered: 08-2006 |
That's great looking, I hope it gets built. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 457 Registered: 05-2005 |
Sweet. | ||
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313 Post Number: 281 Registered: 02-2006 |
That works for me! 313 | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1439 Registered: 12-2005 |
It sure would be nice to have a virtual 3D model of that thing to climb around in. Imagine climbing to the top and looking out a window to check out the view from that perspective. (Message edited by Jimaz on January 28, 2007) | ||
Bibs Member Username: Bibs Post Number: 655 Registered: 10-2003 |
Looking north up Griswold reminds me of some of the street scapes in Chicago. | ||
Bvos Member Username: Bvos Post Number: 2108 Registered: 10-2003 |
Bussey, Just a point of clarification: I believe the term you are looking for is "street wall", not "Super Block". A Super Block is a Modernism/Urban Renewal term in which an enormous amount of land is devoid of roads that run through it. The WSU campus and Lafayette Park are some examples of Super Blocks in Detroit. The GM Tech center is another example of a Super Block. The BC block is the restoration of what nearly every major city in the world has: the street wall. This is where the entire block is solid building with no curb cuts (auto entrances). As stated by many, this makes for a very pedestrian friendly environment if there is retail and other interesting things at the street/sidewalk level. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 2370 Registered: 02-2005 |
That sounds correct, Bvos. A super block doesn't have to be that big, though. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5071 Registered: 10-2003 |
Super Block is usually a negative term. Cobo, the RenCen, the new MGM...etc...those are examples of super blocks. Bvos is right in saying we're talking about filling back in the street wall. No streets are being removed, here. | ||
Hybridy Member Username: Hybridy Post Number: 65 Registered: 08-2006 |
as fake and unrealistic as this "building/parking garage" really is, it does do well to please the eye. the problem with the historicism approach is the "fakeness" of how the structure is really put together. i am in no way supporting the so-called modern ideal, but a parking garage with some appeal is the one at the henry ford hospital. it's the one fronting the lodge. WISE UP, IT IS FAKE. bottom line, the new structure compliments the urban context quite well, only because it has the condos up top and, as many pointed out, the auto entrance is off michigan ave. it would only be necessary that kudos are due to the Roxybury Group. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 880 Registered: 04-2006 |
BVOS I was about to say... hmm a superblock is like WSU or Eaton Centre! Looks like you beat me to it. Generally a superblock will be controlled by one entity. None of the blocks you mention are. I would not say however that "Superblock" is a negative term. Some applications of it may be poorly executed and are harmfull to the built environment. (Message edited by Detroitplanner on January 29, 2007) | ||
Detourdetroit Member Username: Detourdetroit Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2003 |
Detroit would be smart to trend away from the "Superblock". A super dooper block here an there is not a bad idea though... | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 482 Registered: 12-2003 |
I didn't know you could use a term that you made up for your OWN use incorrectly. If you refer back to my original post I said that the super blocks were areas that I found throughout the city. If I want to call them widgets I will. Can you say anal... In my opinion they are Super because Detroit has very few of them, hence the term. I'm not citing from "the green book" or one of Robert Moses's manuals or anything like that. This isn't meant for Transportation just this forum. (Message edited by bussey on January 29, 2007) | ||
Drankin21 Member Username: Drankin21 Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2003 |
I love it, parking garage or not, it looks sweet! | ||
Rust Member Username: Rust Post Number: 144 Registered: 08-2004 |
Although the sketch make feel optimistic towards this project. A lot can be lost by how they execute the project from here. What materials will they be using to face the parking structure? The first floor retail? What type of glass panels/doors for the retail section? Will there be any type of grate/decorative metalwork over the window openings of the parking structure? Or will the window openings be black holes in the facade? All of these items which I am sure will be reviewed in comparison to the budget (which are always tight) of the developer can make or break this project. | ||
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx Post Number: 663 Registered: 02-2004 |
That's some sexy rendering... | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1087 Registered: 01-2005 |
WOW! What's on top? More condo's? That's actually fabulous! And that's coming from picky old me. I agree that the no-entrance off Michigan is a HUGE plus and a great design decision...also the street level commercial real estate is a must and looks good here. Good job Kraemer Design Group! | ||
Scottr Member Username: Scottr Post Number: 193 Registered: 07-2006 |
But bussey, you linked to a page which described exactly what everyone else is talking about, but had nothing to do with what you are saying, contradicting your claim to having thought you made up the term. To most here, it appeared you called it the incorrect term, and they corrected you. to call them 'anal' for that is absolutely ridiculous. but you see, i may have just made up every word in the previous paragraph. they might all mean something different than what you will find in a dictionary, so good luck figuring out what i was really saying. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 883 Registered: 04-2006 |
Detour, the trend for superblocking is largely going away in older urban areas. Projects for urban renewal are nowhere near as grandiose as they were in the 50's and 60's. | ||
Zug Member Username: Zug Post Number: 171 Registered: 01-2004 |
"SUPER BLOCKS are certain areas of the city that, when your viewing area is constrained, resemble normal cities." Bussey...I just read this thread today, and I have to admit that this made me literally laugh out loud. Good descriptor...I need to remember that. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1527 Registered: 11-2003 |
LOL @ Scottr. Anyhow, the building looks great. It has a few nods to history, but it doesn't go *too* far in that direction... it still has large functional panes of windows on the corner for example. Naturally they want to make it appear to "go with" the Book-Cadillac next door. A nice balance. | ||
Zug Member Username: Zug Post Number: 172 Registered: 01-2004 |
On a serious note...that looks like a great rendering. Perfect blend with surrounding architecture. Needless to say, I hope this one gets built. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1089 Registered: 01-2005 |
Here's the most important question: Are they going to put the taco bell back in the corner of Griswold and Michigan? | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 355 Registered: 10-2006 |
Maybe I am confused, but isn't the building in Capitol Park fronting Griswold already called the Griswold Building? | ||
Hans57 Member Username: Hans57 Post Number: 4 Registered: 05-2006 |
I believe the building is going to be refered to as "The Griswold", strictly. No extra frills. | ||
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster Post Number: 1903 Registered: 11-2004 |
A little bird told me there is going to be a gay bar on the ground floor of "The Griswold." | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5074 Registered: 10-2003 |
I know the building just to the north of this proposed building on the park is known as the Capitol Park Building, but I don't remember a Griswold Building. Officially, the name is "The Griswold ~ Capitol Park." | ||
Mod Member Username: Mod Post Number: 85 Registered: 07-2004 |
I agree with Hybridy. It is fake and a disappointing attempt to hide its true function, a vertical parking lot. 10 stories at that. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 1049 Registered: 11-2004 |
Better a Opera House-style parking garage than a sea of surface parking lots. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 471 Registered: 01-2006 |
So a parking ramp with retail options and that tries to fit the surroundings, or an abandoned building? I'll take the ramp. | ||
Mod Member Username: Mod Post Number: 86 Registered: 07-2004 |
Either way, it will still smell like urine. | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 219 Registered: 01-2004 |
would anyone have a list of the parking garages that have been built to hold buildings on top and how many stories that would be? I heard the Opera house, but have no idea how many stories or if this is even true. | ||
Milwaukee Member Username: Milwaukee Post Number: 684 Registered: 08-2006 |
Tkelly1986, check the archives. We had a discussion about parking structures in Detroit that could hold buildings on top. I think there will be some answers to your question there. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 3534 Registered: 08-2004 |
Well it looks like you are in the minority Mod. Let me guess, you are either an architect or an architectural student? As for the smell of urine... it will smell no worse or no better than any other parking structures built downtown, even the "modern" ones that are devoid of character. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 237 Registered: 11-2003 |
Looks great to me. Excellent use of space. They would not spend the money on feasibility and purchase the air rights if they were not going to go through with it. It will be realized. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 360 Registered: 10-2006 |
Tkelly1986: The deck below grade at the site of the former Hudsons is designed for a building on top, as well as the one kennedy square deck also below grade, which now has the ernst and young building atop it. Those are the obvious one but none of them are above grade. There is also what I think is called 300 River Place near the east riverfront which has two story apartments atop about a 7 level deck. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 472 Registered: 01-2006 |
I believe the parking deck attached to Comerica Tower can be built upon. I could be wrong though. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 208 Registered: 11-2006 |
well, originally there was going to be a second tower there, so you may be correct. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1090 Registered: 01-2005 |
I can't stop thinking about this parking tower...any new resources? More images? Nothing on Kraemers site... I need info! Sta a a r rr vv i n g for more information. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5076 Registered: 10-2003 |
Nope. Neither of the Comerica garages are built to hold towers atop them. There was a discussion a few years back. There had been rumors that they were building the second one to hold Two Detroit Center, but it never panned out like that. 1001 is the only other one I can think of that hasn't been mentioned. | ||
Kraemerdesigngroup Member Username: Kraemerdesigngroup Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2005 |
 Check out the best balconies in town! BK | ||
Jdkeepsmiling Member Username: Jdkeepsmiling Post Number: 167 Registered: 01-2006 |
Excellent...... I want one. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1074 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kraemerdesigngroup, can we get more pictures by any chance? | ||
Kraemerdesigngroup Member Username: Kraemerdesigngroup Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2005 |
you will have to wait - but soon enough there will be many more views and a video. BK | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 496 Registered: 06-2006 |
nice! | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 100 Registered: 08-2006 |
Fantastic! We always appreciate what you post Kraemer. Im very excited about this building. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 365 Registered: 10-2006 |
One does have to give props to KDG for not just for being an architecture firm posting on blogs (I can't even think of any others in Detroit), but also for posting rather exclusive material and giving us inside information. Thanks! | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 222 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kraemerdesigngroup: I am very excited about the project; but was wondering if this is the final rendering? If not, I have a question: the section of the building below; was there ever any thought of making this round or more congruent with the curve: (see pictures below). This seems like the ideal building and corner for this type of architectural signature and gives it a more pronounced entrance at this intersection  | ||
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986 Post Number: 223 Registered: 01-2004 |
example 1:  | ||
Pistonian_revolution Member Username: Pistonian_revolution Post Number: 73 Registered: 05-2006 |
looks amazing! i wasnt too attached to the commerce building. i love multi-use buildings, especially parking garages with some kind of building on top. theres nothing i hate more than a stand alone parking garage with no other use. if we have to have a parking garage in the middle of the city, it might as well make use of the footprint for something other than freaking cars. did someone say there's street-level retail on this building on michigan? are those storefronts i see? does anyone know? | ||
Kraemerdesigngroup Member Username: Kraemerdesigngroup Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2005 |
Tkelly1986 - yes, this is the final rendering. The corner you highlighted houses the stair and elevator cores. Due to the limiting shape of the site, this was the only logical placement. The building follows the property line and easements. The main entrance to the housing is off of Griswold, not evident in this view. Note, the garage entrance is off of Shelby. All - yes, there is retail planned for the entire length of Michigan Ave. and Griswold. (Message edited by kraemerdesigngroup on January 31, 2007) | ||
Kraemerdesigngroup Member Username: Kraemerdesigngroup Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2005 |
Tkelly1986 - here is a close-up of what is expected. Keep in mind that the garage and the condos are by two different developers...  | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 398 Registered: 12-2006 |
Finally, a new building that actually looks really good. It's a miracle! Great design KDG. | ||
Busterwmu Member Username: Busterwmu Post Number: 352 Registered: 09-2004 |
Are they really going to do streetlights like that? Wouldn't it make more sense to have them match the type put in around 1 Kennedy Square and also the kind they are putting on Michigan Avenue already between Wyoming and Livernois and around Tiger Stadium? It's a historical Detroit design, you know, from the late 1800s, called the bishop design, and features the unique "bowling pin" on the top of the pole. That aside, it's a great looking rendering, and an excellent building to put on this important Detroit corner. Full ground floor retail is very important, and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who thinks so. Should be a good boost for walkability and walking traffic between Campus Martius, the Coneys, and Washington Blvd. I'm excited to make that walk myself! One additional question, is any curbside parallel parking planned for Michigan Avenue? It doesn't look like it from the rendering, but then again, the primary focus is the building, nto the streetscape. Finally, and I realize this will sound weird, but when construction starts and they close off that corner, someone ought to carefully take down and save the "walk/don't walk" pedestrian signal on that corner, right next to the stairway/elevador entrence right on the corner. Now why would anyone want to do that, you ask? Well, the one on the corner is a classic old green "walk/don't walk" (common and once standard throughout the city, but now being rapidly replaced), but more importantly, it features two of the very rare "lunar blue" WALK lamps, one each for crossing Michigan and Griswold. Not the normal white "walk" or the "little man" which is so common today, but a blue tinted "walk" to let peds know when to cross. These are really rare, in fact, the only other one I knew of was at the corner of Cherry Hill and Military in Dearborn and was replaced a couple years ago. There are probably a few others, but not many. I see new traffic lights going in in the rendering, but it would be cool to keep the old walk/don't walk signs up, even if they are just put in one of the shops or on the corner or something. Just a little bit of Detroit history that I bet no one else has noticed, but sometime, of you're down there, take a look. It would be neat to have it saved! | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 399 Registered: 12-2006 |
Only problem with that is the fact that: a) It doesn't work anymore. (might be the other side) B) When it does work, it is impossible to read. | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 949 Registered: 11-2003 |
Does anyone know how much they paid for the "air rights" above the garage? Beefing up the sheer walls to support residential floors above the garage isn't cheap either.....I'm assuming from the article that $250PSF will get them where they need to be in terms of profit, but the added expense of the garage and the "air rights" could make this deal difficult. | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 950 Registered: 11-2003 |
Buster, I believe there is curbside parking throughout that section of Michigan now.....I hope they have it for the Retail's sake! | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1077 Registered: 01-2004 |
The renderings are sharp, the building looks like it'll be pretty pleasing on the eyes. It's a pretty nice looking parking garage as well. | ||
Tabletop Member Username: Tabletop Post Number: 83 Registered: 01-2004 |
Gambling_man: "The agreement is valued at $750,000, which is what the DDA will spend to build the garage to higher specifications that will permit additional floors to be added for the condos." http://www.modeldmedia.com/dev elopmentnews/roxbury75.aspx | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2003 |
There is curbside parking along Michigan now and a bus stop. | ||
Archy Member Username: Archy Post Number: 32 Registered: 07-2004 |
Busterwmu, The city is currently working on a streetscape improvements for that area. I sure the street lights will be designed to look like the rest being placed in the rest of the CBD. Also, I know that the lanes along michigan will be squeezed down as the parking structure extends a couple of feet beyond the book caddy. They could out meters in that last lane...that would be prime parking area for many future patrons especially since the garage will not be for the public...just hotel and condo parking. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 673 Registered: 11-2004 |
That's to good hear the Michigan Ave streetscape really does need an upgrade. Do you know when they hope to start working on it? | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1078 Registered: 01-2004 |
That should be a nice retail strip along Michigan ave when the Lafayette building is rehabbed, the BC, is complete, and the ground level retail is finished in this parking deck. | ||
Andyguard73 Member Username: Andyguard73 Post Number: 186 Registered: 03-2006 |
It will be pretty awesome Tetsua, and as Dodgemain pointed out, all of it anchored by the coney island! | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 896 Registered: 03-2006 |
Wow. Renderings always look so nice. It's too bad the garage behind the 1001 Woodward wasn't built with housing on top. Oh, and what's up with that awful new parking sign on that structure? It looks so gaudy on Woodward. So I guess its not obvious enough that it's a parking structure? Perhaps they made it look a little TOO nice with those metal grates. | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 897 Registered: 03-2006 |
Oh, and I like the name too. Very classy. | ||
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw Post Number: 334 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thanks KraemerDesignGroup, for updating us. Keep up the good work. | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 101 Registered: 08-2006 |
Eastsidedog the 1001 Woodward garage will be able to have housing above it if the owners decide the market is good enough. Right now they are having a hard enough time getting the units inside 1001 ready. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 412 Registered: 03-2006 |
whats up w/ that too...that has been in the works forever. Financing issue or what? | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 1053 Registered: 11-2004 |
Great work Kraemerdesigngroup. I like the renderings, a lot. I hope the building turns out just as good. Keep up the good work and thank you for posting. | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1283 Registered: 12-2004 |
I am selling the air rights to my house, if anyone wants to buy them. I will retain all ground level and house level rights. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1092 Registered: 01-2005 |
1953 me too. Anything over 200 Ft. 200 Ft. to 1000ft. is a set price of $28 CF, anything over that is at a premium. Get it while it's hot. | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 1054 Registered: 11-2004 |
You wouldn't happen to have an illustration of what that might look like would you Quinn? | ||
Eastsidedog Member Username: Eastsidedog Post Number: 898 Registered: 03-2006 |
Thanks for the clarification Southen. That's very forward thinking of them. | ||
Wirt Member Username: Wirt Post Number: 44 Registered: 12-2005 |
I'm curious to see what this looks like at night. It is very difficult to hide the fact that the majority of the building is a parking deck. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5080 Registered: 10-2003 |
Apbest, Southen just said that they are having a hard time selling the residential units in 1001. Housing above the 1001 garage was contingent upon a successful selling of the 1001 building's residential units. It would make no since for them to start planning condos above the garage when they can't even sell the condos in the building. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1082 Registered: 01-2004 |
How come the Condos in 1001 are such a hard sell? How much are they going for anyway? | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 404 Registered: 12-2006 |
The parking sign came about after the garage owners couldn't get anyone to park there (no one knew it was there). Now, they have had great success. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 371 Registered: 10-2006 |
Guess it was difficult to miss the largest parking deck south of Birmingham to grace Woodward Avenue! | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 102 Registered: 08-2006 |
Perhaps thats a compliment to the design of the garage, the fact that nobody knew it was one. I can see how some people not "in the know" could miss it being there. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 405 Registered: 12-2006 |
"$5 for all events" Best deal my dad and I found during the auto show. | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 269 Registered: 04-2004 |
Kraemerdesigngroup, that rendering is the most beautiful sketchup model I have seen. That must have taken a looooong time to do. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 413 Registered: 03-2006 |
Lmich...my comments were in regard to the condos in building of 1001, not garage ...I didn't know they had actually finished them | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 229 Registered: 11-2006 |
Lmich, From what I heard from the manager of the 1001 building, it has nothing to do with lack of interest. They were still securing financing, and were facing a few new problems with converting the office space into residential space that they had not expected. This was a couple of months ago though, and I dont know whats happened since... | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5081 Registered: 10-2003 |
Funny, I'd heard the financing thing, before, but had also heard that they weren't selling as well as the developers thought they would. Looks like I have some research to do... | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2006 |
You could be right. The guy I talked to may have been overstating the demand. I cant imagine how it WOULDNT be sold out. Top 9 floors only, ON Campus Martius Park... I'd move in today | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 2034 Registered: 07-2004 |
The top of this building looks a lot like the Willets in Birmingham. | ||
Jdkeepsmiling Member Username: Jdkeepsmiling Post Number: 169 Registered: 01-2006 |
I know all of you out there are going to hate me for this, but I am excited to see new construction going in. I know that we want to save as many old buildings as possible, but it is nice to have some new construction residential going in. Hopefully there will be more soon. | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1285 Registered: 12-2004 |
I dont think anyone will hate you for that statement. What everyone seems to like about this new building is how it compliments the existing structures, despite its newness. | ||
Kpm Member Username: Kpm Post Number: 28 Registered: 08-2005 |
Very much looks like the Willits in Bham. Kudos! | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 103 Registered: 08-2006 |
Jd I think everyone who was saddened by the loss of the Commerce Building, myself included, has pretty much gotten over it now. If this lot was just going to be a parking lot or garage I would still be upset but this development is going to be huge for that area and the quality we are seeing is amazing. We cant continue to tear down our historic structures but I think this is clearly a case where things are working out for the best. | ||
Queensfinest Member Username: Queensfinest Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2006 |
Perhaps someday with increased density and an eventual need for mass transit along with less auto dependance, Detroit's overabundance of parking structures can be utilized in the same manner as this one. From Curbed.com http://www.curbed.com/archives /2007/02/02/166_perry_facade_r evealed_surface_space.php Conversion of a former parking structure. Related to this thread. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 379 Registered: 10-2006 |
It is feasible to turn a parking deck into residential units. they both have the same floor to floor height of 10'8" Not sur how residents might deal with a floor that slopes at an angle of up to 6 degrees. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5082 Registered: 10-2003 |
Not all parking garages have slanted floors. Also, all parking garages and residential buildings are built with different floor-to-floor heights. Not all are the same. I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm totally confused by your last post. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 231 Registered: 11-2006 |
umm, L michigan, how do u get to the 5th floor of a parking structure if there are no slanted floors? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2003 |
Would your floor really slope at 6 degrees? Thats crazy. I think I'd walk out onto the street and fall over, like a sailor returning to land after months at sea. But the kids would have lots of fun with their Hot Wheels. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5084 Registered: 10-2003 |
Spirit, He was making it sound like those parking garage, where the entire floor slants. The ones that would be turned into anything usuable for residential use would have to be the ones with the ramp in the middle of the structure. Or, they'd have a very expensive reconstruction. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 382 Registered: 10-2006 |
Based on Queensfinest's post, I was simply critiquing the possibility of the situation that he/she suggested, that's all. I was actually suggesting that it is rather feasible as residential units and parking decks have the same floor to floor heights. Yes in theory, not all parts of all parking decks are on an angle (it would technically be about half). If one wants to park on an angled portion it cannot be steeper the 6 degrees (so that is where I got that from). There can be 'speed' ramps' that are steeper, but this is getting way too off subject, and I'll leave my defenses with my above remarks. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 232 Registered: 11-2006 |
got ya now, Lmich. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5086 Registered: 10-2003 |
huh? | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2006 |
I understand. | ||
Cabasse Member Username: Cabasse Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2006 |
drugs. | ||
Busterwmu Member Username: Busterwmu Post Number: 354 Registered: 09-2004 |
They are progressing rapidly on the demolition of the Commerce Building. More than half of it has been leveled. Crews were working late this afternoon as I drove past. I also checked up on the status of the Lunar Blue crosswalk beacons at that corner of Griswold and Michigan. The Don't Walk for crossing Michigan is burned out, but the blue Walk still lights - someone just needs to paint the letters back in Crossing Griswold, both lights still work and are more legible, however, since the post is so close to the curb, when large trucks make that turn from SB Griswold to WB Michigan, they tend to hit the visors and have tilted them away, making them hard to see. Still, it's historic! | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 414 Registered: 10-2006 |
I think that I had a dream last night about a Lunar Blue crosswalk beacon... | ||
Hardhat Member Username: Hardhat Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2003 |
Here's a press release with some more details... For Immediate Release February 5, 2007 Sales of The Griswold ~ Capitol Park Announced Today Downtown Detroit’s First New-Construction Condominiums Exclusive Presale Event on March 24 DETROIT–Detroit-based Roxbury Group announced today the commencement of presale activities for The Griswold ~ Capitol Park, an 80-unit condominium project to be located on the corner of Griswold Street and Michigan Avenue, next to the Westin Book Cadillac Hotel and Residences. When completed, the Griswold will represent the first new-construction condominiums ever built in Detroit’s central business district. To register for the exclusive presale event taking place on March 24, visit www.thegriswold.com. “We have a strong belief in the long-term potential of the Capitol Park district, particularly in light of the overwhelming success of Book Cadillac residences,” said Stacy L. Fox, Roxbury Group principal. “This is an unprecedented project in the evolution of the district into a first class residential neighborhood, and we are delighted to have the opportunity to collaborate with the DDA on this project.” The Condominiums The Griswold residences were designed by Detroit-based architecture firm, Kraemer Design Group. They will rise six floors above an 11-story retail and parking complex, which is being built to support the Westin Book-Cadillac and The Griswold. The residences range in size from 800 to 2,800 square feet and will feature high-end amenities and finishes including a private entrance on Griswold Street staffed by a 24-hour doorman, floor-to-ceiling windows, one or two terrace balconies per unit, fireplaces in certain units and gas appliances. The top residential floor (15th floor of the building) will offer nine, two-story penthouses allowing for second-floor master suites with French doors that open to a second balcony. Every unit will have spectacular views of downtown. The majority of the units range in price from $200,000 to $400,000, with penthouses up to $750,000. For questions about sales, contact Esquire Properties at 313.580.2200. The Building While the project has been in the planning stages for several months, The Griswold was first reported on in early December 2006 when the Roxbury Group secured the “air rights” – the empty space – above the parking structure to be owned by the DDA on which the project will be built. The parking structure will have 545 spaces that will service both the Westin Book Cadillac Detroit Hotel and Residences and The Griswold. The Roxbury Group is reserving parking spaces in the structure for residents of The Griswold. The structure is being built on the site of the former Detroit Commerce Building, which is currently being demolished. The cost for the entire project is $41 million; with The Griswold portion alone totaling over $26 million in investment. The Roxbury Group is a real estate development and consulting firm founded in downtown Detroit in 2004. The firm specializes in complex real estate and economic development projects. | ||
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