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French777
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 7:05 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was looking in a book called " Detroit Then and Now " which is very outdated but it looked like One Kennedy Square was a parking lot.
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Quinn
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 7:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes there was a parking garage under the park named "Kennedy Square."
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Charlottepaul
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 8:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What was there before the parking garage but after the old city hall building?
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Quinn
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 8:38 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good question. City Hall was demolished in the early 60's. I imagine it was an "Illitch-site" (har har har) for a few years before they built the park and garage? I could be wrong.
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Southen
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 8:43 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Im pretty sure the only other purpose it served was parkland.
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Detroitplanner
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 8:43 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The garage and plaza followed the Demo of the old City Hall immediately. At that time there was a lot of pressure to provide parking in that part of downtown as all the buildings were full. If I am not mistaken it was named Kennedy Square shortly after President Kennedy was elected to office. He held a campaign rally and was one of the first of many to speak there.
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Rsa
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 9:37 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i believe one of the conditions for the construction of the nbd/bankone/chase tower was that the city provide parking for it. thus the demolition of city hall for the underground parking garage. it also facilitated the construction of the 1001 woodward building (replacing the majestic building) 2 years later.

i seem to remember that the namesake is not only for JFK, but for bobby as well. i believe he campaigned in detroit at this spot as well. i can't find anything to verify that, tho.
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Wirt
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 9:41 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



Here is a plan of the Old City Hall Park in 1963.
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Lowell
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:08 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

After City Hall was torn down [pity] it was rebuilt as Kennedy Square, although I believe it was renamed so after the assassination. It was a mostly 1/2 acre paved park with a podium and contained landscaping. While too concrete-ie it was pleasant place to sit and people watch, good for announcements, small political events etc. but nothing compared present Campus Martius which is vast a improvement.

If you look at http://www.detroityes.com/webi sodes/2001/10-detroit300/06-de troit300.htm you can see the podium during the park's demolition in 2002 with the Dime Bldg behind.
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Rsa
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 10:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

here's a historical photo form the city of detroit's site:
kennedysquare
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Swingline
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 11:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think that the Kennedy Square fountain feature lasted for no more than a dozen years or so. It became a pretty barren place thereafter.
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Andylinn
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 12:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

let's hope the campus martius fountain lasts longer than that...
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Crew
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 12:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I never even realized that Kennedy Square had a fountain. I never understood the strange shape of that structure until now. It looked really cool when it was operational.
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D2dyeah
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 12:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The fountain was emptied the first time in 1970 for the student walk out- Moratorium against the Vietnam war. High schools in the city and suburbs participated, and as some of us found out later, the FBI had photos from every angle and from every building of the participants.
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Skulker
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 1:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well the lack of understanding of even very recent history of the City explains the really crappy threads started by French777.
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Gannon
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 4:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Well the lack of understanding of even very recent history of the City explains the really crappy threads started by French777.



Seems he's trying, at least, to catch up. Reading.

Bully. Keep this up, I'm going to charge you storage on that damn turntable.



Part of my fifteen minutes of fame was in the Kennedy Square fountain...Parks & Rec used to sponsor a model sailboat regatta every summer. Each of the park groups built little wooden boats during the summer in anticipation.

I won it in my age group, I think when I was nine...my neighbor across the street won it for the older group. We got two-thirds of the News' back page, although the writer mis-quoted me and spelled my name wrong.

His 'uncle', or dad's best friend, used to run the Brewster Projects Recreation Center...now not a half mile from where I sleep!

Back in 1972, I might've been the only white face in there...I hadn't a clue of the politics of pigmentation. Still don't.
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Upinottawa
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 4:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When I was in Philly last month, I could not get over how wonderful its city hall building was. Kudos to Philly for maintaining that beautiful old building. Shame on Detroit for not doing the same.
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Burnsie
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 5:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's hard to tell exactly, but it looks like the flagpole(s? the right one is cut off) were saved from the original City Hall grounds.

As far as being able to host small gatherings and rallies, Campus Martius is not an improvement from Kennedy Square. It looks more pleasant, though.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 5:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Campus Martius is not designed as a civic meeting place like Kennedy Square was. Campus Martius is a lot more Disneyfied. Most importantly, it's privately owned, so it doesn't serve the same purpose.

The old Kennedy Square looked great. And, BTW, Detroit tore down a beautiful city hall, but it still has the historic County Courthouse. Many cities demolished their historic county courthouses long ago, so it's an interesting trade-off when comparing it to other cities.
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Rsa
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 5:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ummm, campus martius is not privately owned. it is run by a non-profit corporation, the detroit 300 conservancy.
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Gistok
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 6:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And to followup on what Lmichigan just stated... the surviving 1902 County Building was much larger and much more ornate than the razed 1872 Old City Hall. Still, it was a pity to lose it.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 6:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not so sure I'd call it more ornate, either in its historic or current former, but it is larger, and more physically impressive.
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Gistok
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 7:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lmichigan, from the photos I've seen of the interior of old City Hall, it was much plainer than the County Building.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 7:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was talking about the exterior. Yeah, the Old City Hall, from pictures I've seen, looked incredibly contradictory to the exterior. It really surprised me.
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French777
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Posted on Friday, April 20, 2007 - 7:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OK Skulker im 15

I live in Rochester Hills

I don't have a Car

and with no "good" mass Transit how do i get Downtown Exept for Auto Show and Tiger/Red wings games

jeeze cut me some slack
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Jjaba
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Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 12:28 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gannon, props for 9000 posts. Amazing work.
Give jjaba your email, he'll send you an award as a muilti-level centurian.

Thanks for all the dedication to The Forum.

jjaba on the Westside.
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Skulker
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Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 12:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, I'm not gonna cut you some slack, french777. I am gonna ride you to ask smarter questions and to do some research on your own first.

You are 15 and clearly have access to the internet. Don't be lazy. Do the research first and then ask better questions.

If you think I am being an asshole, it means I am doing what's right. This is not a Yahoo game chat room. You need to learn how to step up your game. This is a chance for you to grow. Do with it what you will, but understand everytime you ask a stupid question, you'll get smacked.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 3:32 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Skulks, it would have seemed the hiatus you took would have mellowed you out, but you're more curmudgeonly than ever. What happened that put you in such a state of perptual disagreeability?
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 12:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ahh, the holier than thou post! Welcome back, Skulk!
Just ignore him, French.
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Gannon
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Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 2:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nah, exactly the opposite.

Skulker wouldn't say ANYTHING if he didn't care...about the city, forum, or (for whatever reason) French777.

Y'all just have to learn to listen through and past the Tourette's. I know, it catches ME off guard sometimes too.

Heh.

Cheers!
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Skulker
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Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 2:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ya'll recall a certain poster that was a high school student and VERY full of himself that used to get slapped around here? Went off to UM?

Yeah, he later posted that being challenged and pushed here was good for him and in retrospect he cringed at his early posts. Part of the learning process.
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Goat
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Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2007 - 2:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good job Skulker. Keep lighting a fire under their asses.
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Skulker
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Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 5:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Shut up, you f*&^%$' Canudian...
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Downtown_remix
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Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 6:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

wat a mess.... moving right along,
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Jelk
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Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 6:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It says something about us as a people that "niceness" is an acceptable excuse for ignorance but honesty and knowledge are dismissed as impolite.

A half-dozen intelligent misanthropes can change the world, usually for the better. A million well-meaning dim-wits could hardly change light bulbs.

(Message edited by Jelk on April 22, 2007)
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Gannon
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Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 11:38 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

A million well-meaning dim-wits could hardly change light bulbs.




Yes...but oddly that IS what they were told to do for a proper Earthday celebration.

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