Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 170 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 6:03 pm: | |
I am brainstorming a few ideas that will enhance tourism in greater downtown Detroit. Just a little more that one year from today (Sept 2008),This list of major redevelopment will be ready for operation: 1.) BOOK Cadillac Hotel;4 star hotel and resort 2.) Dequinder cut; 3.) MGM Grand Casino and resort 4.) Motor City Casino and resort 5.) Greektown Casino and resort 3.) Pick Fort Shelby Hotel 4.) River Walk 5.) Renovated Eastern Market 6.) New Red Wings Arena 7.) new Amtrack trainline new center to Airport 8.) Rosa Parks Transit Center 9.) over 200,000.00 in riverfront condo development. 10.) 6 neighborhood re-do in full swing 11.) Quicken loan probable move to CBD. 8.) WOODBRIDGE ESTATES 9.) LOWER WOODWARD RETAIL 50% FILLED 10) MIDTOWN BECOMES TRUE HEART OF CITY 11.) ASIAN VILLAGE BECOMES DINING SPOT WITH ALL THESE EXTRAS, SURELY WE CAN SET THE PACE FOR A FULL SCALE COMEBACK,, WAT YA THINK |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 1001 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 6:06 pm: | |
Unfortunately not all of those will enhance tourism directly, but fortunately they are all great improvements to continue to move the city in the right direction. |
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 1246 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:26 pm: | |
how about selling cups of beer on the streets of greektown the same way they do it on bourbon street? |
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99
Post Number: 193 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:09 pm: | |
Detroit needs a national destination. Aquariums have worked for Chicago and Atlanta. Detroit's situation along the greatest bodies of freshwater makes sense for a large aquarium development that could be tied into a new exhibition space to replace COBO along with a hotel. But this would require tri-county funding, and that seems unlikely despite it probably benefiting all three. At present there are few reasons for someone to spend the majority of their two weeks of vacation in Detroit. |
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin
Post Number: 4080 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:10 pm: | |
Probably need a special liscense for that... but I like the way that the new hot dog guy that sits on the corner of 1001, adds to the character of lower woodward... |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 171 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 7:29 am: | |
I think the final componant that will inhance our ability to visually see tourist out and about would be the completion of our "necklace". Woodward being at lease 50%-75% accupied. The few current stores; CVS, Hard Rock, Borders, Ben n Jerrys, Kinkos, Janet Java, EPh Mcnally, Detroit Breakfast House, Woodward Restaurant , a couple sport n good stores, need the 'next step' retailers such as the soon to open "Salad Express" next to CVS and Shields Pizza in the Kales Building. Mc Donalds and or burger King needs to locate near CVS or ground level of David Whitney, 'Pure Detroit' could make its anchore store anywhere between Hard Rock and Comerica PArk. Transform Ford Auditorium to an amazing aquarium. Motown walk of fame could go in Harmony Park along with moving the Motown Museum to the district. There comming up with a merchant association for that area. The remake of "Paradise Valley" cauld have a motown theme as well. |
93typhoon Member Username: 93typhoon
Post Number: 23 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 7:59 am: | |
I can think of very few cities that I would call destinations - maybe Vegas, New York, and Chicago. Mostly when I go on vacation I go to a region (Arizona) or attraction (Disney). Lots of people from out of state come to Michigan. Detroit needs to find a way for them to spend a day or two in the city while they are in the state I think Detroit needs to focus on its events - Auto show, Jazz fest, fireworks, CART race, etc.- the events will get people to spend time in the city. I don't think Detroit has the funds to build a major attraction like an aquarium. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 172 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 8:29 am: | |
shiiiiit i didnt think Detroit could ever attempt to rebuild its riverfront. Riverwalk, something ive always though Windsor had ove us will be complete with a state park, and over 100,000,000 is housing development. collectively, we have the attractions, we jus need a form of transportation to get people there like our current underused DDOT trolley Buses.from Campus Mart to the institute of art in 5 minutes. 1. The Asian Village River walk line (atwater st. 2. GM World over (1000 hotel rooms) 3. Greektown trolley (plus expanded casino an 400 room hotel resort. 4. MGM trolley (400 rooms) 5. Motor city Casino trolley 400 rooms 6. Foxtown trolley 7, MidTown Trolley line(Straight up Woodward) 8. New Center trolley |
Detroitbill Member Username: Detroitbill
Post Number: 243 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 8:44 am: | |
I agree totally about the aquarium for the Ford Auditorium site, it was the only idea of Coleman Youngs that I liked (besides lighting up the Ambassador Bridge)....There are so many places of interest and events downtown starting to formulate that a good planning strategy is all that is really needed to increase tourism. Do not forget that the DIA will be open in its entirety later this year also. It should be quite impressive. (Message edited by DetroitBill on May 15, 2007) |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 173 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 8:57 am: | |
i can see people going to our attractions headquarters, purchasing weekend or weekday package tickets to the Tigers game, 'Museum row', DIA, historical museum, science center, |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 152 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 9:37 am: | |
What about having a big music festival like Lollapalooza or Bonnaroo on Belle Isle? |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2464 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 9:58 am: | |
What about an AutoWorld? That will bring people in droves!!! Screw the tourists. Why care about tourism so much, when most with the means to do so are getting the hell out of Dodge? |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 174 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 10:08 am: | |
The Downtown Round-about trolley buses can help carry tourist to our area attractions; Trolley West--- MGM, Motor City, Corktown Trolley East---GM WORLD, Riverfront, Greektown, Laffeyette Park Trolley Foxtown--Comerica Park,Ford Field,Foxtown |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 10:42 am: | |
Danindc, Tourists=money=job=people staying |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2465 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 10:47 am: | |
^A tourist economy is no substitute for a decimated residential and corporate base. Do you think New Orleans bases its economy on pouring booze in the French Quarter? Maybe that kind of crap works for places like Branson, Missouri. It's preposterous to think tourism is going to "save" Detroit, without considerations for the causes of the city's decline over the past 60 years. You really have no idea what makes a city work, do you? |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 774 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 10:49 am: | |
"when most with the means to do so are getting the hell out of Dodge?" Dodge included! LOL. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 776 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 11:51 am: | |
But in all seriousness... Belle Isle would seem to be the ideal place for an aquarium... and zoo... |
Rrl Member Username: Rrl
Post Number: 813 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 12:06 pm: | |
I've got to side w/ DinDC on this one; Detroit has to be welcoming, habitable, clean, safe, and re-developed to meet the needs of us who live here first, only then will it be a desirable place for visitors. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 777 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 12:18 pm: | |
Tourism can be a very lucrative business for a municipality to get into (DC and NYC know this very well), particularly in a city with a history like Detroit. Tourism dollars (especially international tourism from the europeans whose currency weighs a bit more than ours now) can go a long way towards quality of life improvements for the residents. |
Ramcharger Member Username: Ramcharger
Post Number: 257 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 12:29 pm: | |
quote:"Do you think New Orleans bases its economy on pouring booze in the French Quarter? Maybe that kind of crap works for places like Branson, Missouri. It's preposterous to think tourism is going to "save" Detroit,” What’s preposterous is that you expect to find the answer to Detroit’s salvation by reading an internet forum. And yes, I do think New Orleans bases its economy on pouring booze in the French Quarter. In 2003, the Leisure and Hospitality industry was the second largest employer in the city; behind only the Education, Health and Social Services industry. (ACS: 2003) Of course, tourism will not replace our once great industrial base (and I don’t recall anyone saying it would), but it can’t hurt either. We have close to 2000 new hotel rooms in or near downtown coming online within the next couple of years. We need to find ways to help these innkeepers fill those rooms. I think any discussion on how to do this is useful. Since you are a resident of Washington D.C., I would think that you would have a better appreciation for the importance of tourist dollars to a local economy. |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 154 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 12:50 pm: | |
DaninDC, What high horse were you born on to take such a smug attitude with me? Where did I say that tourism would "save" Detroit? I never did nor have I ever claimed that to be true. HOWEVER, if Detroit has some opportunities to draw more tourism dollars into the city and region then why wouldn't they try to take advantage of them? Don't cop an attitude with me and then try to put words into my mouth. BTW, as far as major cities not being able to base their economy on tourism, perhaps you need to be reminded of a certain large city in the desert known as Las Vegas. It IS possible. |
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99
Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 4:08 pm: | |
93typhoon- I like your focus on the events. It is very feasible means to draw tourist dollars into the city. Iheartthed- Couldn't agree with your more about Belle Isle. A real zoo and aquarium attraction on Belle Isle would bring thousands or more tourists to the city each year if done properly. |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 155 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 4:14 pm: | |
Gmich99, I agree with the aquarium, but not with the zoo. Why not spend the resources to make the current zoo even better than to create a competing zoo on Belle Isle? |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2466 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 4:53 pm: | |
quote:BTW, as far as major cities not being able to base their economy on tourism, perhaps you need to be reminded of a certain large city in the desert known as Las Vegas. It IS possible. Las Vegas and Orlando aren't exactly economic powerhouses. Those places are designed to get as much money as possible into as few hands as possible. I'm on a high horse? You're the one looking at a city of high school dropouts, and proposing that its economic strategies are acceptable for a region with a large white collar workforce and underemployed manufacturing sector. That's called "naivete", my friend. Stop selling Detroit short. There is no quick fix. Sure, tourism helps, but what kind of tourism are you going to get if you can't even guarantee regular trash pickup or snow removal? I wonder where your priorities are. |
Quozl Member Username: Quozl
Post Number: 620 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 4:59 pm: | |
The Dequindre Cut as a tourist destination? YES, the sights, the SMELLS, especially on a hot summer day. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 175 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 6:31 pm: | |
Regardless of out current economic shortcomings, people are coming downtown in droves looking for a good time. As time progresses and the idea of Downtown being a major destination point for local looking for entertainment, sports, hotels, waterfront activities, and access to another country, creative minds will continue to add more attractions to expand on our obvious move in the right direction. |
Rrl Member Username: Rrl
Post Number: 815 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 6:42 pm: | |
I still like my idea of an outdoor climbing wall on one of the abandoned buildings. A building like the UA could have an extra exhilarating facet to it; reach up for your next finger hold, and viola, a chunk of the building exterior skin gives way. Not too different than scaling a rock bluff in Utah. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 176 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 6:58 pm: | |
Today saw workers inside the United Artist, wat could be going on in there? it's fenced off but workers were inside the fence and goin in and out of the front entrance |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 156 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 9:32 pm: | |
DaninDC, Once again, You are projecting someone else's opinions on me. I DON'T particularly agree with a lot of the economic policies going on in this state and I would prefer if you would stop trying to put words into my mouth and I will ONCE AGAIN ask you not to do so. If you hadn't noticed, the topic of this thread is TOURISM IDEAS. Naturally, the industry discussed in this thread will have to do with tourism. That doesn't mean that anyone expects Detroit to turn into Las Vegas or Orlando or something of that nature or that Detroit should abandon other industries for a tourism-based economy. We just happen to be discussing tourism that currently exists in the city and potential ways to expand one of the plethora of industries active in the city. If talking tourism upsets you so much, perhaps you would wish to visit one of the many other threads on this board because your condescending tone and misinterpretation of other posters opinions (spoken and otherwise) is not very productive for the discussion. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 179 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 10:01 pm: | |
MGM GRAND CASINO is more powerful than we realize. They will practically control a one mile radius around their complex, as well as Motor City Casino. just look at the neighborhoods that surround the casinos. they are virtually revamping these areas from scratch, making the surrounding areas pleasant. |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 1020 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 10:07 pm: | |
Amtrak will need to have a line to Toledo as well as the airport to be truly effective. I did here a rumor that they were shifting two of their lines (Lake Shore Limited/Capitol Limited) out of Ohio and Indiana and onto the Michigan line. That was a while back though. Amtrak would also need more of the Detroit-Chicago route to be 95 MPH+ to make it truly effective. 66 miles isn't going to do it. How about a clean Belle Isle? (Message edited by SCS100 on May 15, 2007) |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 180 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 10:18 pm: | |
have u seen belle isle? go check it out first. this amtrack train between ann arbor to new center will add alot of foot traffic to downtown 4 sure. |
Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 823 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 10:41 pm: | |
quote:WITH ALL THESE EXTRAS, SURELY WE CAN SET THE PACE FOR A FULL SCALE COMEBACK,, WAT YA THINK That while the thing nice are listed they don't set pace for full comeback. Unless the overall economy in the state turns around the city will continue to flounder.
quote:this amtrack train between ann arbor to new center will add alot of foot traffic to downtown 4 sure Optimism is good, however, you're not being realistic if you're counting on the effects any transit plan in metro Detroit. Too many these plans have come and gone to remember |
Warrenite84 Member Username: Warrenite84
Post Number: 94 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 2:02 am: | |
If we can get together on a streetcar network, tourism would benefit greatly. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 181 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 7:26 am: | |
Just in case u didnt know, there is a strong possability we may have that amtrack line up an running by years end, A line traveling from new center area to AA. |
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 853 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 8:21 am: | |
Amtrak, the preferred mode of public transportation for tourist travel throughout these United States! Who knew? I do know that "Chartered Bus" seems to be the preferred mode of public transportation for tourist travel to the non-Las Vegas Casinos throughout these United States. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 182 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 8:34 am: | |
Damn they tow up that little park in record speed at time square this weekend. Rosa Parks Transit Center, Transit center? well why would we need a transit center when no ones here an no ones coming? trust me, the city is anticipating the arrival of a new civilizaton taking shape in greater downtown. You can't truly see the transformation take place unless you walk the streets and see the take "over begin".this list i put on the beginning is the muscle of this transformation. We have been disappointed for so long in this region that i know it's hard to believe. |
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 854 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 9:14 am: | |
quote:this list i put on the beginning is the muscle of this transformation Evidence, perhaps, but certainly not the "muscle". The "muscle" is the money and confidence of investors willing to bet that there is a potential return to be made on their money over the long haul. Investments in businesses that bring new jobs into the city and region and investments in residences (new and existing) that will appreciate in value over time. Investments that do not have to be patched together from multiple sources (to spread the risk) and "encouraged" by some government program. Businesses that will use their profits to naturally expand over time and which are not taxed at a special rate of 24% to fund state and local government. Residences that provide decent housing for a healthy mixture of singles, families and retirees and which are taxed on a basis commensurate with the services provided..... |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2468 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 10:30 am: | |
My tourism ideas: 1. Build a transit system so people can get around, both to/from the airport, and around the city. 2. Pick up trash. Replace burnt-out streetlights. Make sure crosswalks are clearly marked, repair sidewalks, etc. 3. Fill in parking lots. Likewise, refrain from creating more empty lots by tearing down buildings just because you can. 4. Trees. Plant some. 5. Shore up city finances to improve bond rating and develop cash reserves. Frankly, I'm appalled by the number of people who are more worried about out-of-town visitors than the people who currently (or would) live in Detroit. No wonder people are leaving--the priority has been put on getting as many suburban dollars into Mike Ilitch's hands as possible, and the residents get screwed again. I have to say that anyone who thinks "attractions" and "events" are what make a city has nothing but a perverted view of urban life. No city has ever rebounded by focusing on entertainment. It's simply not sustainable. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 183 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 1:56 pm: | |
ok just heard the transit line from Detroit new center area, to Ann Arbor won't happen till the 1st quarter of 2008. I can live with that. we've waited decades. i can see lots the Rosa Parks transit commuters utilizing this west side transit line, very close to the new MGM grand casino, the people mover is practically within the transit line. here at Trolley Plaza Apts, we are getting a huge influx of white and asian students. They are finding their favorate restaurants and bars downtown such as Park avenue behind the fox. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 184 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 2:08 pm: | |
I only pointed out the newest crop of resident being white and Asian to prove the point that people have become confident in whats happening downtown. there race issues are something we cant act like they dont matter. We need the mix of all races and they are coming. |
Larryinflorida Member Username: Larryinflorida
Post Number: 140 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 2:08 pm: | |
This reminds me of "Roger and Me" where the poor people of Flint believe their new Auto Museum and Malls would revive the area. "I have to say that anyone who thinks "attractions" and "events" are what make a city has nothing but a perverted view of urban life. No city has ever rebounded by focusing on entertainment. It's simply not sustainable." You're right Danindc. sadly. Worry bout 'bidness, and recreation will follow. |
Mdoyle Member Username: Mdoyle
Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 3:05 pm: | |
For me the city especially will need to invest on speculation. The budget is going to hell and is continually being hurt by the declining tax base. Now the declining tax base is an issue of state economics but the lack of public works (overall cleanliness, recycling, garbage pickup), safety, education etc is a major roadblock to attracting small, medium, and large businesses. Its about time to say "to hell with the budget" and sink as much money as possible into making the city more attractive to outside investors, employers and residents. You can't just continually make budget cuts and expect things to ever get better. If the city goes into receivership because of this at least it will have a good start. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 185 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 8:30 pm: | |
Great idea! invest on speculation. Proof is in the pudding though. If this very small section of the city (greater Downtown) is seeing BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in developing market rate housing, 2000 brand new hotel rooms, 3 permanent casinos, a new hockey stadium, miles and miles of redeveloped riverfront parks, millions goin into brush park,,, you do the math |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 188 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 5:54 pm: | |
BUMP |
Detroitrulez Member Username: Detroitrulez
Post Number: 245 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 6:00 pm: | |
"BUMP" what? Let's bump alchemy while we are at it. And cold fusion as well. Have you seen the "Dequinder [sic] Cut" lately? Take a stroll down there and do a little brainstorming. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 189 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 6:13 pm: | |
YEA THE DEQUINDER CUT IS NOW EXPLORATION FOR YOUNG ADVENTUROUS WHITE PEOPLE |
Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 827 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 6:16 pm: | |
^^^ This guy has to be relative of Danny (Message edited by eric on May 17, 2007) |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 1032 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 6:43 pm: | |
^^^
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Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 190 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 6:59 pm: | |
ive been told that b4 |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 4:32 pm: | |
Racism in metropolitan Detroit has been serious hinderence to out overall growth and maturity for many decades. We must discuse and talk about how to heal from such divide. In the 80's blacks still werent welcomed in many surrounding suburbs, lets not forget what was happening in Dearborn, Warren , and Sterling Heights. We were not welcomed to most suburb. The tables are slowly turning... |
Lmr Member Username: Lmr
Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Friday, May 18, 2007 - 5:04 pm: | |
A few years ago my husband and I were driving on W.Fort St. near Woodmere with our non-Michigan license plates and at a red light a guy in a pickup next to us yelled over to ask if we were lost and looking for I-75. I yelled back no and that I used to live there and couldn't get lost. My husband is from Wyoming (state). Other than my family's stuff, the reasons we like going to Detroit are: 1. paczki 2. good French Bread. Do not assume that is available anywhere. West of the Mississippi it can be hard to find. Bad French Bread - yes, but good - no. 3. Sanders 4. Car shopping. Detroit has inventory at their car dealers. Wyoming and Montana do not, unless you are buying a pickup. I talked to a car salesman at the twin cities auto show who had moved to Minneapolis from Rochester, Michigan and he agreed with me completely...the Detroit auto dealers inventory is unbeaten. 5. We like to do #1 through #4 in the summer because no way are we going to Yellowstone or the Tetons in July. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 197 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 12:37 pm: | |
1. Detroit Paczki Factory- Greektown 2. Art,sports and book sales in Grand circus park 3. Motown Cafe-Lenox hotel site- Harmony park 4. Motown museum moved to Harmony Park 5. Motown Walk of fame-Harmony park 6. African World festival moved to Harmony park 7. Asian Village festival, Riverfront 8. School of performing arts, Capital Park 9. "Mel's Diner" Woodward avenue open 24/7 |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 198 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 12:17 am: | |
Motor city themes 1. Motor City cafe- classic and futuristic cars are converted to booths facing Woodward ave one block south of Grand Circus Park. 2. Motown Cafe- Broadway ave. next to YMCA and connected to the Broadway people mover station. live music nightly. 3. Harmony Park becomes Paradise Valley merchant district, Blue Nile Ethiopian restaurant returns downtown, African clothers, souvenier shops, Hair Salons, (White girls can come get they hair braided with african imported beads). Motown Museum is moved to an empty lot within the center of the park, with package deals Dinner at Motown cafe and guided tour of museum and motown walk of fame. 4. Friday's Family Restaurant- formally flaming Embers, ground level of David Whitney building. 5. Mc Donalds- returns to its former location in Capital Park next to Book Cadillac. |
Texorama Member Username: Texorama
Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 8:54 am: | |
El_jimbo, I like that Bonnarroo on Belle Isle idea. It could be specifically something that does not exist anywhere else in the country--a big outdoor fest where the black and white musical worlds meet. Despite all the racism here, that's something we've sometimes been able to pull off. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 199 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 11:24 am: | |
i would love to move the Motown museum to either downtown or the cultural center facing woodward |
Neilr Member Username: Neilr
Post Number: 506 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 12:48 pm: | |
D'town_remix, I think moving the Motown Museum is unlikely to happen. Building on your idea, let me offer another suggestion. In NYC, the Isamu Noguchi Museum and Studio is located in a hard to get to spot in Long Island City over in Queens. So what the Asia Society does is offer a regularly scheduled shuttle bus from their museum on Park Ave. out to the Noguchi site on the weekends. Perhaps if the Motown Museum offered a shuttle from downtown festivals and convention sites out to their West Grand Blvd. location, many more tourists would take the opportunity to visit it. |
Crash67 Member Username: Crash67
Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 2:14 pm: | |
Here's another thought beyond the Motown Museum ... what if there was a downtown Detroit attraction that embraced ALL of the musical history of Detroit in the 20th and 21st centuries? Not just the Sound of Young America, but Detroit's rich history in gospel, blues, jazz, classical, techno, hip hop and rock. Rekindle the knowledge of Ossip Gabrilowitsch and the early 20th Century rise of the Detroit Symphony, McKinney's Cotton Pickers and all the great jazz cats that came out of Detroit, John Lee Hooker and the blues, the gospel greats Rev. James Cleveland and Aretha Franklin, the various rock sounds that came out of Detroit and its environs (from 50s doo-wop and Jack Scott to all the Motown superstars, Mitch Ryder, the MC5, The Stooges, Bob Seger, the Romantics, all the way to the White Stripes and today's garage resurgence), the birth of techno and the Belleville 3, and the hip hop superstars that hail from the D (Eminem, D12, J Dilla and others). A multi-media experience combining a Detroit Music Hall of Fame, interactive exhibits, cool stuff to see, a cafe, and an intimate performance venue could work downtown and attract both natives and tourists alike ... don't you think? This would give the City a chance to right the wrong that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame wasn't built here, while creating a diverse attraction that everyone (and their musical tastes) could be proud of. Would you support something like this, if someone could make it happen in Detroit? |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 208 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 2:42 pm: | |
Having Martha Reeves on city council could help jump start such an idea. Perfect for after a game and the big stadiums. "Pure DETROIT" COULD BE ON THE GROUND LEVEL |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 165 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 2:45 pm: | |
Crash67, That is a WONDERFUL idea. However, I think there would be some concern that the "proximity" of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland might be an issue. |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 166 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 2:53 pm: | |
Texorama, Bonnaroo already does a lot of what you suggest in terms of mixing music from different cultures and different styles of music. When I went in 2003, over the course of a 4 day period I saw a VERY multicultural array of music. Here's a brief highlight The (Grateful) Dead (hippy music) James Brown (R&B) The Wailers (reggae) Jack Johnson (Hawaiian inspired folk/pop) Ben Harper (alt country/blues/funk) The Allman Brothers (southern jam band) Neil Young (hard to really define him) The Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra (12 piece funk orchestra) The Roots (Hip hop) Jason Mraz (college radio pop) I could continue with the MANY MANY other acts I saw, but I just listed the few that show the variety. Therefore, I'm not sure if what you are suggesting would really be something new, however, I would still LOVE to see Detroit host an event such as this. |
Crash67 Member Username: Crash67
Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 4:12 pm: | |
Actually, El_Jimbo, I think a case could be made with tourists outside the Midwest (and especially international music geeks!) that both a Detroit music attraction and the RRHOFM would make a great double bill, thus generating economic impact for both cities. The key differentiation for this music attraction concept with the RRHOFM is that it is entirely DETROIT-centric. I also think it could fit nicely in any number of downtown districts. |
Kslice Member Username: Kslice
Post Number: 37 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 4:48 pm: | |
To Really spur tourism, you need population, and good population. People who have family and friends come up for the weekend and show them around the city. Teh Techno fest could get a lot bigger too. You type in "techno fest" on google and their it is. At least get it to the point where it's no losing the city money. And, of course, extending the DPM to take people out to New center and beyond! |
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 881 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 5:09 pm: | |
quote:El_jimbo, I like that Bonnarroo on Belle Isle idea. Anyone who has been there or who has just looked into going to Bonnaroo knows that size of it and the logistics involved would preclude it from ever being held on an island with only a single entrance/exit.
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Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 833 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 5:54 pm: | |
The reason why Detroit isn't a bigger tourist destination isn't so much the lack attractions, but Detroit is not viewed as desirable place to visit. The fact is Detroit ability to attract tourist is hinged much more on continuing to develop the remaining vacant structures in the downtown area, beautification and the promotion of the city's improvements. We also can't ignore Detroit's crime problem it's a turn off to tourist just as it is to potential residents. While major tourist cities like New Orleans and DC have crime similar to and at times problem worse than us they don't have stigma that come with it. Things like new festivals would make nice additions to the city, but there are far bigger issues. Tourist aren't going to flock to the city if all they hear how empty and dirty it is or they believe they're putting their life and property at risk by visiting. |
Thnk2mch Member Username: Thnk2mch
Post Number: 930 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 6:41 pm: | |
quote:Here's another thought beyond the Motown Museum ... what if there was a downtown Detroit attraction that embraced ALL of the musical history of Detroit in the 20th and 21st centuries? Kind of like a "Motor City Limits" type venue that would have different artists, television show and all. |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 11:17 pm: | |
Add Hittsville USA to a Motown Museum. |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 168 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 12:35 pm: | |
Mikeg, I agree. The logistics of bonnaroo wouldn't work. However, perhaps having a festival like Lollapalooza which runs multiple days but doesn't provide lodging would work. This way, you would have several thousand tourists in for a whole weekend of music, but instead of keeping everything self contained, concert goers would have to spend money on lodging in the various hotels in the city, eat at restaurants, etc. I think that would be far more beneficial and doable |
Qdaddy77 Member Username: Qdaddy77
Post Number: 34 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 12:46 pm: | |
there is now a HUGE piece of concrete on Belle Isle that could support a soundstage. a concert destination could fill in the 362 days it wont be used for race cars.... |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 169 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 1:08 pm: | |
Qdaddy, There you go. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing more racing done on the Island than just that weekend. Perhaps even NASCAR doing a road course there. Partner it with the Hoedown and do it the same weekend. |
Qdaddy77 Member Username: Qdaddy77
Post Number: 35 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 1:25 pm: | |
how about this: July 10th-12th 2008 the First Annual DetroitYES! Music FEST on Belle Isle. Thursday - Motown Sound 5:00 - Aretha Franklin 7:00 - The Four Tops 9:00 - Smokey Robinson & Diana Ross Friday - Detroit Rock City 3:00 - The Howling Diablo's 5:00 - J Giles Band 7:00 - Iggy and the Stooges 9:00 - Bob Segar and the Silver Bullet Band 11:30 - The White Stripes Saturday - Welcome to the D 3:00 - Open Mike Freestyle Competition 5:00 - Trick Trick 7:00 - Kid Rock 9:30 - Eminem and D12 think people would go? |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 820 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 1:29 pm: | |
Didn't they do concerts on Belle Isle at one point? |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2489 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 1:40 pm: | |
quote:Also, I wouldn't mind seeing more racing done on the Island than just that weekend. Perhaps even NASCAR doing a road course there. Partner it with the Hoedown and do it the same weekend. Yeah, who needs parks for things like relaxing, picnicking, and fishing? Pre-fab programming in your face 24/7/365! This thread should be renamed, "How to Whore Out Detroit to People Who Don't Even Fricking Live Here". |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 170 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 2:09 pm: | |
Oh my gosh. we use belle isle for TWO WEEKENDS of racing and all of a sudden its year round programming. Stop the hyperbole. What is your big deal with tourism anyway. Should people only stay in the city the live in? I didn't know talking about tourism was equivalent to "whoring out" Detroit. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2490 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 2:14 pm: | |
^You can't run the City of Detroit on hotel taxes, genius. |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 171 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 2:36 pm: | |
really?! Ya don't say?! I thought we could just ditch the income tax AND the property tax and switch to JUST a hotel tax. Who said ANYTHING about running detroit on hotel taxes? Wouldn't you at least admit that the more people that visit Detroit and spend money in Detroit equals more money for the city of Detroit? You act as if we're offering to pay people to visit the city. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2492 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 2:45 pm: | |
How does tourism stem the flow of jobs, residents, and income? Emphasizing tourist attractions while doing nothing to improve things for residents (see today's DDOT bus strike) is like chasing nickels while throwing $20 bills into the street. Just a TAD misguided, if you ask me. |
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 225 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 3:55 pm: | |
Naa can't agree guys. Riding the bus is safer than being out on the streets, which is where police are needed more than anywhere else. I think we should get emergency monies from the government to install security cameras on all buses with a control center watchin and executing proper security as needed. |
The_rock Member Username: The_rock
Post Number: 1756 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 7:46 pm: | |
TOURISTS--"Come to Detroit. We have a very safe bus system. Sheriff's deputies now ride our fleet of busses and are prepared to blow away any rider who does not behave him/herself." Seriously folks, who will pick this up first on the evening ( national) news? Katie?, Charlie?, Brian? |