  Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 142 Registered: 02-2007 |
With Gas prices soaring with no end sight will: A. Metro Detroit governments will come together and build a solid mass transit system. B. Suburban Detroiters will move closer to the city center to avoid long commutes to work. C. Metro Detroit Commuters will pay whatever the gas price and drive 30ish miles to work, even if it means going further into debt. D. None of the above | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1706 Registered: 10-2003 |
I would say that "C" is most likely. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 178 Registered: 12-2006 |
C | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1678 Registered: 05-2005 |
C. with a caveat that SUV repos will climb in kind | ||
Miss_cleo Member Username: Miss_cleo Post Number: 612 Registered: 05-2005 |
Why do you think moving is an option? If the commute is too much for the people who already live there, then who is going to buy? and who can afford to move right now? and who wants their kids in the DPS system? YOu guys seem to think just picking up and moving is a viable option, it isnt for most people | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 951 Registered: 07-2004 |
I dunno: Seems like picking up and moving has been our problem to everything for that last 60 years.. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1698 Registered: 11-2003 |
"C" with a little bit of "A". | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 1643 Registered: 11-2005 |
quote: This assumes everyone works in the city center. There are tons of suburb to suburb commuters. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2221 Registered: 06-2004 |
quote:I work next door to a repo yard - a few years ago he was doing great, rolling in dough, now he's behind on rent and bills and thinking of going out of business | ||
Rrl Member Username: Rrl Post Number: 831 Registered: 12-2003 |
Considering most suburban Detroiter's don't work in the City, that pretty much rules out B. Some may choose to move closer to work, but likely a suburb to suburb shift, rather than to the city. What may actually become the outcome of rising gasoline prices is increased tele-commuting by those whose jobs can done away from the office. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 475 Registered: 10-2003 |
E. We overthrow the oil companies who are right now making record profits selling gas at an all time high, when the cost of crude oil actually isn't very high right now, but they say they can't refine the oil into gas fast enough because too many refineries are down, which is only because they have shut them down to make prices higher under the guise of "maintenence". | ||
Jeduncan Member Username: Jeduncan Post Number: 97 Registered: 11-2006 |
I agree with Johnlodge. But in the meantime I'll continue to ride my bike everywhere I go. Gas mileage is a lot cheaper on my bicycle. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 1291 Registered: 06-2006 |
I have to say D since the options given don't consider the fact that an extremely small percentage of suburbanites even work in the city... | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2222 Registered: 06-2004 |
some time ago there was a thread about who worked where turns out that about as many people commute from the suburbs to work in the city as live in the city and commute to the suburbs | ||
Hans57 Member Username: Hans57 Post Number: 127 Registered: 05-2006 |
The metro area will never have any form of regional governance. The closest form we have is Metroparks. None of the counties seem to want anything to do with Wayne. Maybe there's the exception of Washtenaw. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 479 Registered: 10-2003 |
^-- this message brought to you by the random thought department. | ||
Hans57 Member Username: Hans57 Post Number: 128 Registered: 05-2006 |
Random? Look to option "A". | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 1255 Registered: 04-2006 |
Suburban Detroiters will move closer to their suburban jobs. City dwellers will also move out of the City to be closer to their suburban jobs. You need to add additional oportunities for work in the City to see any appreciable reason to stop the exodous. Opportunities will not come any time soon for Detroit: taxes and overall living expenses are higher than in the suburbs, a restructuring of the world economy has dismissed our previous role as a manufacturing center. Maybe was can get another 200-300 gooogles to locate here? | ||
Dexterpointing Member Username: Dexterpointing Post Number: 59 Registered: 05-2007 |
B. Suburban Detroiters will move closer to the city center to avoid long commutes to work. lol open your eyes its already happening, midtown, downtown all the condo conversions. Its shrinkage. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 1293 Registered: 06-2006 |
Dexter: Most of what's going on seems to be portion of the younger population who are buying/renting their first pace in Detroit rather than Novi and Royal Oak...and not that there's anything wrong with that, but there doesn't really seem to be a migration from the 'burbs to Detroit...Nobody is uprooting their families to bring them from Oakland county to Detroit... And considering that Southfield alone has more office space than Detroit's CBD, I don't think you'll be seeing a relocation to or close to the city on account of gas prices... | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2007 |
People will live in their cars and commute to work on their bikes ala Americathon | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 883 Registered: 12-2005 |
As I posted on this Reverse Commuting thread from one year ago:
That SEMCOG data indicates that in 2000, there were 1,985,000 workers in Wayne, Oakland, Macomb and Washtenaw Counties. Their data shows only 23,000 workers commuting daily from Washtenaw to Wayne County and 25,000 from Wayne to Washtenaw County, for a total of 48,000 Washtenaw-Wayne inter-county commuters. There are twice as many Macomb-Wayne inter-county commuters (100,000), 2.8 times as many Oakland-Macomb inter-county commuters (136,000) and 4.8 times as many Oakland-Wayne inter-county commuters (230,000). There are only 15,000 Washtenaw-Oakland/Macomb inter-county commuters, so that means the remaining 1,455,000 workers (73% of the total) commute within their county of residence. I would say that the available data disproves the underlying assumptions in Options B and C that there are large numbers of long-distance commuters in either of those situations. (Message edited by Mikeg on May 25, 2007) | ||
Irvine_laird Member Username: Irvine_laird Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2007 |
Please pardon me for asking (I moved here from Texas in February 2006): Could a candidate for a major regional office (county executive, mayor of Detroit/Southfield/Warren, etc.) get elected on a pro-regional, pro-mass transit platform? | ||
Redvetred Member Username: Redvetred Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2007 |
No chance !!! Who's supposed to pay for this? SMART and DDOT can't even cover operating costs let alone capital costs to build such a system. Taxpayers have had it in Michigan and we are going to have to bend over again if "Two-Penny Jenny" has her way to raise the income tax rate. Then we should see another mass exodus, not from Detroit, but out of Michigan. There are still many states that have NO income Tax. | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 1053 Registered: 06-2006 |
I live 20 minutes from work (at Cooley High) so driving isn't an issue for me. Selling my house would be an issue since very few houses are selling right now. I doubt anyone would risk taking a loss on their house (or foreclosing) just to save a little on gas. If I were going to move, it would be out of state given the unemployment rate in MI. | ||
Mthouston Member Username: Mthouston Post Number: 981 Registered: 01-2006 |
We're DOOMED, DOOMED I tell ya, DOOMED | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 1256 Registered: 04-2006 |
"Redvetred" There was not exactly folks busting down the door to get into Michigan when Big John and his merry band of Republicrats lowered the taxes by a pittance; but I suppose you forgot that he also raised your gas tax by 30 percent, your sales tax by 50 percent, as well as nearly every user fee didn't you? | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2224 Registered: 06-2004 |
damn, too bad Saddam's not around anymore, maybe he could've floated us a few more mil | ||
Eric_w Member Username: Eric_w Post Number: 208 Registered: 02-2007 |
The premise that mass transit is the answer is seriously flawed. Many surburbanites don't even work in Detroit. I live in Lincoln Park & work in Romulus. A mass transit commuter train or subway into Detroit would do me little good.I'd take a bus except it's over 1/2 mile to my building from the nearest bustop and buses do not run readily when I have to be to work. | ||
Jjw Member Username: Jjw Post Number: 315 Registered: 10-2005 |
C---If Metro Detroiters wanted mass transit, it would exist. The fact is, most don't give a shit. | ||
Ghetto_butterfly Member Username: Ghetto_butterfly Post Number: 701 Registered: 09-2004 |
C---If Metro Detroiters wanted mass transit, it would exist. The fact is, most don't give a shit. And they love their gas-guzzling, pseudo-status demonstrating, small penis compensating SUV's way too much to look for an alternative anyway - so I'd say C | ||
Nere Member Username: Nere Post Number: 35 Registered: 04-2007 |
I wish "A", but I'm going to go with "C". |
