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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 10:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While going through a box of forgotten junk, I came across some old color slides from the mid 40's to the mid 60's. I found a few real beauties as I sorted them (See: Defunct Detroit Gas Stations). To borrow a technique from Ookpik, I would like to ID the buildings and locations of the handful that I had transferred to CD. The first one:
http://i148.photobucket.com/al bums/s22/bulletmagnet69/756662 -R1-E007.jpg?t=1180578661
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Milwaukee
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 10:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, what a great photo! If you've got more of them, then please post them. The best idea I have of what an old city is like comes from the movie American Splendor.
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Mikeg
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 10:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The name of the building looks like "__OLMUR APTS"

enlarged & cropped
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Lilpup
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 10:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

holy cripe - look at those rides! gangstaville!
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Mikem
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dumur?
1711 Webb
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry for the lack of rez. I just looked at it through the lupe and I make out DUMUR APTS. The transfer process killed the contrast, and washed out the color. On the screen at 4' x 4' it really pops!

(Message edited by Bulletmagnet on May 30, 2007)
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Mikem
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)



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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Mikem!!
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Ookpik
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Holy Sh_t! Color! Awesome photo Bullet!

This link will help give you an approximate date to undated slides:

http://www.historicphotoarchiv e.com/f2/kodachrome.html

Ookpik
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Focusonthed
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Amazing how few buildings like that are left. Every block in Chicago is filled with almost that exact building. Without the gigantic side yards though, haha.
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 11:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the linkage Ookpik! Check out the "Defunct Gas Station" thread. The color in those shots are...God Like? You should see 'em on the screen! Waaay Coool! The transfer did kill a lot of detail though. BTW, any one got the location on those two gas station shots?


Bullet
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Fareastsider
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 10:28 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

COme on bullet how about a few more old pics!
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Cambrian
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 10:38 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not too good on cars this old, but I'm guessing the Buick in the center of the photo is a 1939 or 40, the dusty car behind it, no clue. In the Foreground is the ass end of a quite progressive unibody, bathtub lookin' 1949 Nash 600 Airflyte coupe.
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Cambrian
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 10:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just googled the buick, it's a '40.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 10:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like some of those buildings around Wayne State, like around Warren, Hancock, and Second.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also, some of the weirder apartment building names hold clues. For instance, the WESTWILL is on West Willis. The RICHDEX is at the corner of Richton and Dexter.

What would _OLMUR or _OLMOR be? Maybe Holborn and Moran? Holcomb and Marcus? Hollywood and Marter? I'm not satisfied that it reads "OLMUR" anyhow. I do think I see a "MUR" or "M_R".
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Johnlodge
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroitnerd, I think Mikem already solved the puzzle. Check the map here at 1711 Webb.





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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JohnLodge: That looks pretty convincing, but what about the building adjacent to the apartment house? It looks like a private house, smaller and closer to the property line.
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Johnlodge
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:25 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

True.. A lot can happen in 60 years though. The old picture shows some single family homes behind the structure, and the aerial photo also shows homes that could be the same.
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Barnesfoto
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:53 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very cool. More, please.
Are those pics on Kodachrome?
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Johnlodge
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 11:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They must be, they make it seem all the world's a sunny day.
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Mikem
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I believe the apartment building is long gone. It was on the south side of Webb, third building east of 12th. To the left (in the photo) is the Ashwood, and to the right is the Priscilla. Webb was a street full of apartment buildings for several blocks, from Hamilton to LaSalle.

Residents at the Dumur in 1940:

Apt #1...Albert Fitton
#2...Karl Kolberg
#3...Chas A Fleming
#4...John B Healy
#5...vacant
#6...Mrs Kathleen Killen
#7...Alex Berszenyi
#8...Grady Hamm
#9...Fred A Sadlier
#10..Henry Behrendt & Mitchell Mosher
#11..Howard Odor
#12..Geo Trafford
#13..Fredk Curley
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Cman710
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a picture of the house in the satellite picture above. While it may not be the same building as in the picture, it clearly was built in a similar style.


Webb Apartment Building
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Blueidone
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks like it could be the same building, but with the front porches closed in.
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Fury13
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The car in the foreground is definitely not a Nash, but is a Packard of '48-'49-'50:


Packard 48
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Wkl
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I knew the neighborhood look familiar. My mom grew up across the street from that place. Still remember visiting my grandparents their in the late 50s early 60s.
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Scottr
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The building mentioned above is NOT the one in the picture, but instead one of several of a somewhat similar style along that block, and the only one remaining today.


1949



Today - marker is supposed to be at 1711 Webb
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Cman710
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, that is what I suspected, too, given the address appearing in the grassy area. Given the age of the picture and the age of the cars, Id' guess these buildings were probably built as early as the twenties, and probably earlier. Anyone have any idea?
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Missnmich
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 12:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They must be, they make it seem all the world's a sunny day



lol. Johnlodge!
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Swingline
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 1:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A great old photo Bullet.

Detroit has lost thousands of these small apartment buildings that were built in the 1910- 1930 era. Landlord neglect and tenant abuse are obvious and common causes for these losses. Another issue, though, for many of these buildings is that the layout of the units is/were poorly designed for modern living. The buildings may look charming on the outside, but units inside were usually pretty plain. The biggest problem tends to be the size of the units. Many of the buildings were loaded with two bedroom units that were only about 600-700 sq. ft in total size. The bedrooms are often not big enough to fit a full size bed and a dresser. Closets are about 3 ft. wide. Nobody with any money will rent such a unit. A renovated unit with larger rooms can't generate enough rent to pay for the renovations. Landlords wind up with the worst tenants who then proceed to quickly trash the units. A very vicious cycle.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 1:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yet, those tiny units were what helped Detroit pack in the war workers in the 1940s, when families of five tolerated 1,000-square-foot houses, as long as they had such newfangled things as indoor plummin', hot runnin' water and a place to park the gas buggy.
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Johnlodge
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 1:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alright this photo has been conquered. NEXT BULLET!
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56packman
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 1:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


cars
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 7:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

56packman, I'm gonna put your car knowledge to the test with the next posting. Thanks for that insight into the vicious cycle scenario that these apartments lent themselves to, Swingline. I remember the Puritan (And sister apartments) on Jefferson as a good example of this. Thanks for the additional information and photos, all! Fine job, as expected :-)

(Message edited by Bulletmagnet on May 31, 2007)
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Hpgrmln
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This one really made me sad. I have wanted to go into real estate investing for a long time and would love to own 4 or 5 of these buildings. In my opinion, these old brick apartments are the epitome of old urban living. These buildings are classics. As a previous poster said, Chicago is full of these buildings. People want to live in Chicago so badly they'll take whatever housing they can get. The fact that half a block of these buildings got levelled and just abandoned lots remain means cit has lost so much of what made it great, on so many levels. In chicago, people probably would OVERPAY for a bad floor plan just for the location. Unfortunately, in Detroit, we cannot retain these architectural gems, the likes of which were integral to a vibrant,busy city where the population was dense.
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Lizaanne
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Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 12:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's been making me crazy all morning to not be able to post until I was approved!

In the tenant list, #11 Howard Odor, is my Grandpa! He and my Grandmother, Lillian, lived there in the 1940's. He is gone now, but Grandma confirmed with my Mom this week that they did indeed live there, and she was so excited about the photos and discussion here.

Sadly, my Mom only has gmail and this site will not accept her email address so she is unable to join. :-(

I guess I'll have to ask questions for her.

Thanks for this! What a find! We never knew they lived in this apartment on Webb!

~Liza
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Bulletmagnet
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Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 5:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Welcome to DetroitYes Lizaanne. That is a very cool story, about your grandpa. You can thank Mikem for the research on this. Please let us know if you have any photos, stories, or the like of his time there, we would love to see them posted here.
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Ragtoplover59
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Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 6:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lizaanne,
Please have your Mom try again to join this site, Add a note in the Registration about your Gmail and you will be able to join. I also use Gmail, Its not a Problem.

And Welcome!
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Lizaanne
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I'll tell her that - actually, she was going to check back here, so hopefully she will see your post before I'm able to give her a call. She and Gramma live in NC now.

Thanks!
~Liza

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