  Urbanoutdoors Member Username: Urbanoutdoors Post Number: 347 Registered: 11-2005 |
channel 7 just reported gm to build condos and that the article will be in tomorrows news. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1052 Registered: 09-2006 |
Is this a new project or is this one of the already announced ones? | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 514 Registered: 11-2006 |
I am sure its part of the River East development, and it makes perfect sense for them to announce it now, at the start of the riverdays festival and the official grand opening of the riverwalk | ||
Urbanoutdoors Member Username: Urbanoutdoors Post Number: 349 Registered: 11-2005 |
the same one. More info on the other thread... | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1226 Registered: 01-2004 |
I hope they have renderings | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1152 Registered: 12-2006 |
Not yet. Check the other thread for more details... | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 562 Registered: 03-2006 |
there were old renderings http://www.downtowndetroit.org /ddp/images/housing/River_East -1.jpg http://www.downtowndetroit.org /ddp/images/housing/River_East -2.jpg clearly very conceptual, but would be awesome if realized...but lets let this thread die and refer to the old one | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5670 Registered: 10-2003 |
More recent conceptualizations are available at Rossetti Associates websites. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2007 |
GM needs to concentrate on making more fuel efficent vehicles and repairing there image.. then worry about Condo's. | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 944 Registered: 12-2005 |
^^Maybe you should think first, then write. GM needs to turn any - and all - idle assets it has into cash so it can fund new product development, which is the lifeblood for making more fuel-efficient vehicles. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2007 |
Thats what I meant.... I am not trying to sound rude but didn't you read what I posted above. GM as I stated needs to put funding into that program for making more fuel effcient vehicles, they need to ween the general public off the SUV lines, especially when there Hummer Brand vehicles are getting MPG that are not so good, not to make the hummer brand the middle man about what I am talking about the other GM lineup(Chevy & GMC SUV's) aren't so great on gas mpg as well. I like Chevy's Volt concept car, they need to make that a real project. Hey if GM wants to put money into condo's let them, that's there money to use and throw around. I think they should use that money for better things..well I am gonna go off my topic about the fuel thing here, GM should invest that money in revitilizing the Detroit Metro area...and im not talking about the riverfront. | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 195 Registered: 08-2006 |
You know GM isnt two guys working out of a garage right? They are fully capable of taking on this project and its the reason they brought in the Hines company to help out as well. You make it seem as if they can only focus on one thing at a time and since the announcement of one condo tower their car line is going to suffer. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3043 Registered: 02-2005 |
How do you revitalize the detroit metro area? I'd say making the central city a better place goes a long way to doing that, though. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2007 |
Yeah I know...but they seem to waste the money on things that could go towards better programs, etc. Yeah it's nice they want to do the riverfront...but is that exactly what you want to do when the city's infastructure isn't that great to begin with. Yes they have changed the downtown area alot, there has been revitalization...but I really don't see alot of people flocking to downtown all the time. The suburb's around Detroit, aka abandonded neighborhood's..GM should hire contractors and fix these area up...why spend it on condo's, spend it on the rest of the city and area that needs help. GM's a billion dollar corp', they should use that money to other good use then just condo's is what I am saying. | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 197 Registered: 08-2006 |
So fix up the struggling neighborhoods where they would see just about zero return on their money instead of developing the riverfront which is exploding with potential? I agree the neighborhoods are important too but I dont understand what your getting at. First you say they need to focus on vehicles, then you want them to focus on the neighborhoods. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 563 Registered: 03-2006 |
GM is the biggest corporation in the world...they're basically donating this land to be developed and getting some of the profits...hardly detracting from anything. You talk as if all of their resources are absolutely zero sum, and that itself proves you're illogical. "GM needs to concentrate on making more fuel efficient vehicles and repairing there image.. then worry about Condo's." also, it's THEIR image | ||
Rbdetsport Member Username: Rbdetsport Post Number: 289 Registered: 11-2005 |
The neighborhoods will fix themselves with a good police force and the residents of the neighborhood not allowing things to be run down. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2007 |
What I am saying is that they have the money to do both...I am not trying to flip flop on the issue. Sorry I didn't mention that earlier. Riverfront potential? They are having a tough time selling the lofts/condos they have put/built downtown. A friend of mine lives on woodward and tells me about how some do sell and most the rest are having a tough time selling the new or the one's people own and are selling. I don't want to turn this into a argument...but I just think they should spend the money that they want on the river front on some other projects. Hey I am all for getting the area back to some of it's former glory. But if your thing is the Riverfront more power to you..as the old adage goes, to each there own. Also sorry im grumpy this moring...I haven't finished my morning cup of coffee. | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 945 Registered: 12-2005 |
quote: You have it wrong. GM put their money into the Ren Cen buildings and land on its periphery when they purchased it more than 10 years ago. They need the Ren Cen buildings and the land it sits on for their HQ, but they do not need the peripheral land for their operations. They have contracted with the Hines real estate firm and given them six acres just east of their HQ in exchange for a cut of the future profits from the new development. Therefore, it is a false statement to say that GM is putting their money into condos. Hines will be the developer who will be putting their "money into condos". As a result of this deal with Hines, over time GM should eventually receive an amount of money greater than what they might have received by just selling the land outright to a developer. GM's Economic Development and Enterprise Services is the department of GM which has overseen GM's acquisition of the Ren Cen and peripheral properties and I can assure you that the work of their department has had no negative effects on the other GM departments that are responsible for new vehicle development. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 29 Registered: 06-2007 |
Cool cool...thanks for the update. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 367 Registered: 03-2007 |
as ive said 2012 will be a year Detroit will really take off. Our historical foundation, amazing 20th century skyscrappers, spectacular riverfront, kick-ass casino resorts, one of a kind island park, miles of new riverfront condos, restored and vibrant brush park, wildly popular and successful mid-town/Wayne State district, revamped eastern market, strong and growing corktown and woodbridge community, and a reborn new center area with a commuter train that can take u to Ann Arbor and the airport. Even the hoods will slowly improve, 6 neighborhoods will take the lead-- Boston Edison, 7 mile and greenfield, brightmore, and East english village will extablish solid investements. damn im excited for my hometown. This excitement from the people is a huge part of our future success. | ||
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite Post Number: 29 Registered: 06-2007 |
In 5 years, you're going to be blown away........ lol | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 1447 Registered: 06-2006 |
"...they seem to waste the money on things that could go towards better programs, etc. ...aka abandonded neighborhood's..GM should hire contractors and fix these area up...why spend it on condo's" because GM is not a charity and this is not a charitable donation...it's a business venture from which they are turning idle assets into profitable developments...furthermore, it will help attract workforce talent to the region and the industry by making downtown more livable and attractive... it sounds like you want them to act like a privately-funded welfare program and throw a bunch of money away...sorry, but that's the WRONG way to go about rebuilding Detroit | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2007 |
I am not saying have GM throw money away..Just saying that GM should give something back to the City & area. Shoot after how the Big3 have mostly closed up alot of shops around the state, they should give something back, that's all im saying. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9436 Registered: 10-2003 |
They are a business and a struggling one at that. GM, IMO has gone above and beyond with goodwill work with and for the city. GM has been a better corporate neighbor than I would have expected but they don't owe anyone anything. Maybe the UAW should be doing something near thier palatial palace on Jefferson. | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 198 Registered: 08-2006 |
GM stayed in Detroit, renovated our signature structure, and have poured money into a revitalized Detroit riverfront. What more would you like to ask of them? They could have easily gone the route of Chrysler and moved out to the burbs but they stayed in the city and are making it a better place to work and live. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2007 |
I agree about the UAW thing, I believe the time of the unions has come and passed. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4628 Registered: 08-2004 |
Back when GM was in their former New Center HQ (during better financial times), they redeveloped a huge swath of residential neighborhoods (that were getting seedy) to the north of their complex. So today we have nice well maintained neighborhoods such as New Center Commons. And their exodus from New Center was done in a way that a developer could get their well maintained HQ complex and redevelop it for the State Of Michigan Office Complex (Cadillac Center). One would be hard pressed to find any other major American city that has such a magnificent state office building in their states largest city (AFAIK, only th First Of Illinois complex, a modern one in Chicago, compares). If anything GM was redeveloping condos and refurbishing homes before it was even fashionable for other companies to do so (like what is going on in the city center today). So, GM got the ball rolling for residential redevelopment and rehab in Detroit at least a decade before others did. God bless them for that!  | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1011 Registered: 04-2006 |
Maybe GM is trying to undo a past wrong...... | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1012 Registered: 04-2006 |
Oh yeah, 1. GM is not the largest corporation in the world. 2. Chrysler fled Highland Park, not Detroit... but point taken. 3. There is no number 3! | ||
Butkaeri Member Username: Butkaeri Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2007 |
Here's the article from crains.... http://www.crainsdetroit.com/a pps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2007 0621/REG/70621001 It states that the "tower" will be 80 units. Doesn't that compare with how many units are in the Griswold?? Not too much of a tower I guess... | ||
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313 Post Number: 370 Registered: 02-2006 |
It's about time. But I'm not sold on the architect they chose (Built-Form) from Chicago. The Detroit based Kramer Group was selected to design the interior, but should have been chosen form the exterior also. <313> | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3047 Registered: 02-2005 |
Thanks for the link. 80 units is a lot. I'm thinking that on that small footprint, if these are large, luxury condos, you can't have more than 3 or 4 condos per floor. That gives us at least twenty stories. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 452 Registered: 08-2006 |
^^^^^Not to mention 10 floors of PARKING! | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 1448 Registered: 06-2006 |
^^^parking doesn't seem to be an issue with this site...there are already under-utilized garages surrounding it... | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1014 Registered: 04-2006 |
"^^^^^Not to mention 10 floors of PARKING!" LOL. Well, it is GM's project...... | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3051 Registered: 02-2005 |
I think all the garages that are already built will be used for resident parking. If it gets overcrowded in that neighborhood we can build a lot under the river or something. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5679 Registered: 10-2003 |
I was already told by Shawn Brennan of the RenCen that the reason Beaubien Place was largely built to top off any future development in RiverEast. I don't believe that any of the remaining RiverEast parcels are to be used for parking. (Message edited by lmichigan on June 21, 2007) | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3054 Registered: 02-2005 |
It just makes sense that there will be enclosure along Atwater St., with sizable buildings on both sides. This will really increase the size of downtown. | ||
Butkaeri Member Username: Butkaeri Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2007 |
Here's the website for the project. It looks like the developer will be releasing the design sometime in August. www.renshorecondos.com | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5682 Registered: 10-2003 |
Yes, Atwater is being developed as the 'spine' and main street of the district. Looking at Rossetti's conceptualization to get a feel of what the city and GM wants it to look like along the ground. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1058 Registered: 09-2006 |
This is the reason I only buy/lease GM vehicles. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 35 Registered: 06-2007 |
Speaking of GM vehicles(going off topic here), I am really not to impressed with some of the new GM Vehicles. Some do offer decent MPG. I have been looking at the Mazda3 and Honda Civic 2 dr. Very nice car's, the Cobalt has been compared to the Mazda3 in form of it's car category, but the Mazda3 won out overall in design, ergonomics, and the engine. I don't have whole lot of bad karma towards GM, sorry about my post's earlier in this thing...It's just work and all get to me. Yeah it is a good idea they want to do this, but I just would like to see more the neighborhoods around detroit turn around. I like to go out and photograph the area, it makes me upset to see how the area used to be so great back in it's hay'day' and how some of these great looking old homes have gone into some a state of disrepair and abandonment. The area around the Packard Plant is a good example. | ||
Izzadore Member Username: Izzadore Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2006 |
This is good news for the city and GM. Detroit's riverfront is bound to be world class. It may take some time but it'll happen. Will GM use any of the tower for corporate housing? | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5686 Registered: 10-2003 |
I can't imagine that they wouldn't be marketing these towards many of their employees. | ||
Downtown_remix Member Username: Downtown_remix Post Number: 378 Registered: 03-2007 |
I love the fact that GM is developing this project. Money wont be an issue and surely there will be corporate suites/condos available. The 80 unit tower wont compare to griswold because of griswolds large foot print. | ||
Wazootyman Member Username: Wazootyman Post Number: 222 Registered: 02-2006 |
Civilprotection - I guess it depends on what you're looking for. I find GM's Saturn line-up to be very attractive, for example. I just bought a 2007 Vue last December, and already have 10,500 trouble-free miles on it. I absolutely love the car. I think it's great that GM is supporting this project. In my career I've crossed paths with GM many times, and I have nothing but good to say about the company. I think they are on their way back. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5687 Registered: 10-2003 |
Remix, but the condos of the Griswold aren't all the way through the building, and in fact don't start until the top few floors. This, being condos all the way through, could just as easily turn out to be little more than a 15-story-or-so 'tower', and they could get away with calling it a 'high-rise'. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3064 Registered: 02-2005 |
Regardless, the development along here will make more of a tiered effect to the skyline thanks to the density. Instead of the ren cen standing out as a sentinel i.e. from your standard belle isle view, it will be like a mountain peak behind a few rows of hills (the new riverfront condos). ?Moreover, the RenCen won't be an outlier at the edge of downtown anymore, it will actually be in the middle of things with heavy development to the east. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5688 Registered: 10-2003 |
It won't ever be exactly in the middle of things, 375 and Lafayette Park kind of cemented that fact, but at least at the riverfront it won't feel so lonely. What's really going to be interesting to see is what kind of effect RiverEast will have on the greater (and once vibrant) Rivertown. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3069 Registered: 02-2005 |
As long as it's not a fortress (which none of these developments look to be) and the people who live there are willing to walk around the neighborhood to get food and other basics, it could be amazing. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5689 Registered: 10-2003 |
Because of how the streets are layed out, and because of the Riverwalk, it is nearly impossible to make this district fortress-like. It simply won't be a Harbortown or Riverfront Towers. It will have to be an urban district. To get an idea go to Rossetti Architects website, and look up the conceptualization. Everything has to be built to the street. Really, the only thing that has to be worried about is not whether it will be open and urban (the streetgrid dictates that), but whether or not the designs will be any good. | ||
Mike Member Username: Mike Post Number: 928 Registered: 11-2003 |
civil, you wont find anything better than the mazda 3 in its class. |
