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Username: Cambrian
Post Number: 1488
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 2:40 pm: |    |
Yeah me and a buddy had a frustrating exchange with a Rambler owner when I was in the local AMC club. She whined about our $50 price for NOS trim for her 1964 Rambler saying she could buy it all day in Kenosha where she used to live for $10. So we told her "Have a nice trip back to Kenosha". |
Detroitgt
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Username: Detroitgt
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 4:33 pm: | |
Come on....really??? Ford EXP's, Contour SVT's and Probe GT's? Just because that is what you own does not mean it will be a classic. |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 2017
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 4:35 pm: | |
^ That's how speculation works. You make a guess, and see what happens. |
Cambrian
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Username: Cambrian
Post Number: 1492
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 4:47 pm: | |
I'd opt for one of the last Cadillac El Doritos. Big V8, and they looked good too. |
Soomka1
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Username: Soomka1
Post Number: 33
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 4:57 pm: | |
I agree with the mid '90s Impala SS, but of course the sure thing is a red 2006 HHR. |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 108
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:17 pm: | |
I've never owned a Probe. I say it will be a good investment because of its sporty design and affordability.I think it might be a popular car for amateur racing, sort of like what the early-70's Datsun 510's are used for.The fact that it is an American nameplate (though has mazda components) helps. Sporty cars with japanese nameplates seemed too-prone to obscurity (Nissan pulsar anyone?).
I'd be willing to gamble on a special-edition Pt Cruiser, like the convertible.
Even though it was a failure, the Lincoln Blackwood was a pioneering luxury-pickup crossover and only a few hundred were made. The similar new Lincoln truck could hurt their collectibility a little but it still might be a future investment due to originality and rarity. |
Karl
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Username: Karl
Post Number: 9490
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 10:24 pm: | |
Excellent, Cambrian - a budding capitalist. |
Mallory
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Username: Mallory
Post Number: 180
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:07 am: | |
Hpgrmln - yes, the Pulsar, good call! I was supposed to get an '84 (mom and dad said they were going to buy one for me) but dad drove home in a f***ing Sentra! Cheap bastard. Back in the day, that car was cool.
Also, I agree with your assessment of the Lincoln Blackwood. I see one every so often and still think its a nice vehicle. There's something about Cadillac and pick up that has never worked for me, but the LB was nice.
Just the other day I saw an old Subaru XT. When it came out in the late 80's, it was hot. When I looked at it the other day, it looked ugly as hell. Then again, my mullet looked pretty cool "back in the day." |
Mallory
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Username: Mallory
Post Number: 181
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:30 am: | |
Speaking of DeLorean's, here's where you can buy a "new" one...
http://www.naplesnews.com/news /2007/aug/22/bonita_franchise_ carrying_newbuild_deloreans/? |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 2030
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:32 am: | |
The Harley Davidson edition Ford F-150s might be something to watch. |
Ericdetfan
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Username: Ericdetfan
Post Number: 138
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:10 pm: | |
ford EXP's are extremely rare, esp the earlier models..I say this not just because i own one...I actually have owned 3, but thats beside the point. rare cars often become collectors items unless they are complete junk. EXP's are basically escorts under the skin and if you take care of it (hell even if you don't) it will run for a very long time...and parts are still pretty easy to find..
EXP's are actually very popular to those in sound system competitions, because they are a two seater and have a large cargo area to put a gigantic speaker box or whatever else they want. |
Cambrian
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Username: Cambrian
Post Number: 1505
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:21 pm: | |
I recall in middle school we were giving the substitute bus driver such a hard time she had to pull over in a subdivision and radio in to the school. The vice princepal drove out in his Maroon EXP to yell at us. |
Gazhekwe
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Username: Gazhekwe
Post Number: 95
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:45 pm: | |
There were at least 100 Chrysler Prowlers at the Dream Cruise, what a sight to see them all. I vote for them and the PT Cruiser, especially the convertible (love mine!). |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 111
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 6:31 pm: | |
1987 was 20 years ago and at this point, anything from then or earlier that will be a collectible is already showing an indication of such. There are exceptions, but not many.
I wonder how the Pulsar may have fared if Nissan didnt ditch the "Datsun" moniker. Those 240's and 260's in good shape can bring in some good money now. Selling cars under the Nissan name seems to have badly hurt their collectors potential. They had that triangle-shaped body,which to me indicates they were trying to compete with the Fiero.
I was able to identify 90% of the cars on the road by age 3.I get nostalgic even in my young age at the cars we always used to see that are now all gone. Granted, most were junk, it still makes me feel old to see cars that were once overly common that are now all gone.Kinda sad, too, for some reason. |
Ericdetfan
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Username: Ericdetfan
Post Number: 139
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:10 am: | |
My EXPs were an orange 82, Gold 88, and Silver 87. The Maroon color is the most common color though. To me, its the kind of car that makes you feel cool when you drive it. I always felt that they were fun to drive. I never did drive the Silver 87 though, I used that one for parts. |
Ericdetfan
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Username: Ericdetfan
Post Number: 140
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:21 am: | |
Oh and there are 600+ members on fordexp.com. Most of them own EXP's, the rest are just members for nostalgia. There are about 100 active users on our message board and many ppl have posted their rides in our "members rides"
section.
Me and a guy I met from the website actaully took our EXP's to the Dream Cruise in 2004 and showed them off. Sure they aren't classics, and Its ok if you tell me I shouldn't have been there.. I don't care what you say. I had a bunch of ppl come up to me and tell me that they either had an EXP and/or remember the car fondly.
So there is definately a following for this car, so don't dismiss it as a future classic. |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 113
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:46 am: | |
http://www.fordexp.com/
I had no idea there were that many nice ones left...
I had a '94 Z24. It was affordable and not bad on gas, but at the same time, had good accelaration and a sporty feel that made it fun to drive.A lot of people may be turned off by the plastic factory ground effects, but I loved that car until it got totalled. Had that car survived, what do you think the future would have held for its status? it was NOT the convertible version. |
Mallory
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Username: Mallory
Post Number: 184
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:48 am: | |
If the EXP would be termed a classic, then what about the LN7? I know, same car, but I would think a bit more rare than the EXP.
And then there's the Merkur XR4Ti... |
56packman
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Username: 56packman
Post Number: 1677
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:06 am: | |
In the old car hobby later vintage cars (70's-up) like the EXP are classified as "special interest autos". The often misused term "classic" is by definition a rarified, chosen set of premium (=expensive)cars built between 1925 and 1948. Here's the list, as defined and approved by the Classic Car Club of America http://www.classiccarclub.org/ CarList.htm
But it dosen't matter, the term has entered the lexicon, the mass media throws it around to describe everything from a model A Ford (there is not a single Ford listed on the classic list) to an '86 Buick Grand National to your EXP. |
Goat
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Username: Goat
Post Number: 9726
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:21 am: | |
I had an XR4TI, damn that thing was quick. But it has issues with strut bearings. You just couldn't find them. As for the manual transmission I had heard from friends who owned the manuals (I had an automatic) that the bell housing frequently cracked.
Stil a great car to drive. I always thought it would make a really fun rally car. Of course, I didn't have the money to turn it into one. |
Ericdetfan
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Username: Ericdetfan
Post Number: 141
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 1:04 pm: | |
There are LN7's as well as EXP's on Fordexp.com..Yes ln7's are a lot more rare than EXP's. EXP's were produced from 1982-1988, whereas Ln7's were only produced 82 and 83. |
Detroitgt
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Username: Detroitgt
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:41 pm: | |
EXP's!! are you guys serious? How about a 1984 Chevette, maybe a nice early 80's K Car? |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 2079
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:42 pm: | |
"EXP's!! are you guys serious? How about a 1984 Chevette, maybe a nice early 80's K Car?"
Indeed, the Dodge Diplomat beats them all hands down. |
Cambrian
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Username: Cambrian
Post Number: 1519
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:48 pm: | |
"EXP's!! are you guys serious?
Ughh, I wish people had said that about the '57 Chevy. I get tired of seeing them at car shows. |
Opus
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Username: Opus
Post Number: 44
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 5:17 pm: | |
The Shelby Omni GLH and GLHT were on K car platforms and they are collectible  . |
Cambrian
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Username: Cambrian
Post Number: 1520
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 5:27 pm: | |
Actually the Omni's 1978 L body(?) pre dated the the 1981 K Body. |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 114
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 6:15 pm: | |
Actually, some people consider the Chevette a collectible now because so few have survived.I actually miss seeing those around. I'm going to dig myself a hole to jump in by saying this but I used to catch a lot of flack because I'm a heterosexual male and I openly admitted that I thought Chevettes were "cute".....sad but true.
As far as Opus' comment goes, anything with the Shelby name is worth a look. Shelby even had a limited edition Dodge Shadow, and even as far back as 8 or 9 years ago I saw one at the Meadowbrook Concourse, at the enterance where the later-model cars are.If you can pull off showing your car at Meadowbrook, you can do it just about anywhere.
As far as the aforementioned Omni-based L-body, anyone remember the Rampage pickup, now considered a low-priced collectible? |
Ericdetfan
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Username: Ericdetfan
Post Number: 142
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 12:10 am: | |
quite serious, actually.
Talk to the ppl @fordexp.com they will tell you same thing...
and Chevette, Fiero, EXP, omni...anyone see anything something common here? They are all compacts from the same era..
like the one guy said, just because you owned it doesn't mean it will be collectable..by the same token I could say "Don't hate on EXP's just cause you don't like em"
Chevy Chevettes!!! are you serious? atcha |
Tkangas_23
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Username: Tkangas_23
Post Number: 24
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 12:25 am: | |
The Fiero GT (with V6) will be collectibles..
Americas first try at mid-engines.
c'Mon guys, the Prowler is a look-a-like hotrod with a corporate Chrysler v6 instead of a proper V8. Also, no cavalier will ever be a collectable |
Smogboy
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Username: Smogboy
Post Number: 5809
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 4:28 am: | |
I would never be so brash to say what would or won't be a classic. I attended a local car show recently and in the sea of all of these great looking 1940's, '50s, and '60s Chrysler and Dodge vehicles, the one car that seemed to garner the most attention was an AMC Gremlin. People flocked to it and ranted and raved about it; the other cars were almost passed over.
Granted it was in immaculate shape but who'da thunk it? |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 115
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:47 am: | |
Smogboy, don't even go there.Including purchase price, I've spent maybe $4000 total on my Gremlin and in the last 3 woodward cruises, I've had countless people take pictures as I drove by.Desperate people have gotten upset because I wont sell it to them for $2000 just so they can gut it and hot rod it out.Im like "ive got double that invested into it and its historically accurate." What you saw there was burnout. People have gotten burned out on mustangs, corvettes and mopars and want some variety.70s compacts were overlooked for so long that people now turn to those to break up the monotony.Thats 1 reason why these cars have become "late-bloomers." |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 2081
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:59 am: | |
Don't underestimate the Wayne's World effect. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 36
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 10:42 am: | |
try to find a 1975-1976 cheverolet chevette with a cosworth engine! if you do let me know please ;) |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 119
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 7:12 pm: | |
UGH- The "Waynes World" car was a Pacer. I get these WW references all the the time. Pacer=fishbowl. Gremlin=angled, chopped back.
Lefty-Youre thinking of a vega. the 75-76 Cosworth Vega, usually sold in black with gold trim. I regularly see them pop up on the internet.Look on Traderonline.com or ebay. |
Ericdetfan
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Username: Ericdetfan
Post Number: 143
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 12:39 am: | |
thats cause escorts, tempo's, and cavi's are what are called thow-away cars..They were never intended to be a "classic" or anything like that..I have to admit tho I have some pretty nice 1981 Escorts driving around..
I would never be so brash to say that any certain car won't be a classic or collectable, either. |
Smogboy
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Username: Smogboy
Post Number: 5818
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 6:37 am: | |
Ericdetfan, I wonder if there should be a category for exactly what you and I are saying. Some cars just didn't last long- regardless whether they were meant to be driven into the ground or they were so poorly built. So when we do see one of these odd quirky cars, it's almost out of awe that they survived all of these years.
Should they be deemed "classic" in the truest sense? Because isn't the truest form of classic supposed to be "of the first or highest quality, class, or rank" or "serving as a standard, model, or guide"? Or are these cars called classic because of their own endurance?
As far as "collectibility"- as long as one person cherishes it and hangs onto it, I guess it's a collectible.
Regardless, they do catch our eyes somehow someway. |
Ericdetfan
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Username: Ericdetfan
Post Number: 148
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 9:31 pm: | |
I agree with you 100% smogboy. |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 121
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 11:01 pm: | |
Lefty2-I located a Cosworth Vega if you still want one. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 53
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 10:52 am: | |
Hpgrmln,
sure let me know the details. It would be worth a look. |
Vetalalumni
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Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 652
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 2:00 pm: | |
Would the Ford Pantera, Lotus Esprit, or Lotus Europa qualify as collectibles? These are just cars I liked from the 70s. |
Oakmangirl
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Username: Oakmangirl
Post Number: 249
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 2:08 pm: | |
Hopefully...they're trains! |
Ron
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Username: Ron
Post Number: 338
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 3:37 pm: | |
Lincoln LS?
.......and yes, I do drive one. |
Cambrian
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Username: Cambrian
Post Number: 1558
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 8:52 pm: | |
Lincoln Mark 8 for sure! Rear drive, V8, two door car with nice styling. |
56packman
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Username: 56packman
Post Number: 1703
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:44 pm: | |
quote: "Would the Ford Pantera, Lotus Esprit, or Lotus Europa qualify as collectibles?"
absolutely. they have been collectible since they were new.
simple formula: stylish, powerful, limited production=collectible |
Dannyv
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Username: Dannyv
Post Number: 7
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:48 pm: | |
Japanese |
Ccbatson
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Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 3028
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2007 - 9:49 pm: | |
The Halo/exotics (Ford Gt, Zo6, Viper, Shelby, Saleen S7) of course. Of the more common cars...Chrysler SRT4, 6, and 8 lines, Camaros (old, and upcoming), Cadillac CTS-V, GTO (maybe). |
Oakmangirl
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Username: Oakmangirl
Post Number: 255
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 12:23 am: | |
Hpgrmln,
You drive a Gremlin?!? You are worshiped! Hands down that is the coolest car out here. What color?
I used to drive a tomato red AMC Hornet. Hated the carburator, loved the car. |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 132
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 8:38 am: | |
Light blue with a white stripe. i joke that it looks like a smurf. Still has the original California plate and emissions stickers.I only drive it occasionally in the summer due to limited insurance.
AMC built compacts before it was the "in" thing.The Eagle was also pretty radical in being an 4wd car, as opposed to truck.If that company had survived into the 90s, I would have loved to have seen what futuristic idea they would have pioneered next.Sure, you can argue they built ugly cars.But you can't argue with the concept. |
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