  Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9908 Registered: 10-2003 |
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20070904/NEW S04/70904063/1001/NEWS I'd be interested to hear more facts about this. | ||
Belleislerunner Member Username: Belleislerunner Post Number: 344 Registered: 12-2003 |
Anyone who resists arrest and has a concealed weapon should be held. Just a lawyer trying to make some money. | ||
Susanarosa Member Username: Susanarosa Post Number: 1651 Registered: 11-2003 |
Well, it was a box cutter. I carried a box cutter when I was in high school because I worked at a grocery store and had to open and breakdown boxes. It's not like they had a gun. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 836 Registered: 11-2003 |
I wonder if the patrol car had a video camera. Does anyone know if it's mandated by the state for all police pull overs to be taped? Otherwise it's a battle of accusations. There's really not much info in that article. | ||
6nois Member Username: 6nois Post Number: 481 Registered: 11-2006 |
If a box cutter is a weapon, then when I moved I had tons of dangerous weapons on me. Good thing I didn't get pulled over. | ||
Old_southwest Member Username: Old_southwest Post Number: 173 Registered: 07-2005 |
Didn't they use box cutters to hijack the planes on 9-11? | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1452 Registered: 12-2004 |
How can the Macomb Ministerial Alliance take sides, when it wasn't present at the scene? | ||
Meaghansdad Member Username: Meaghansdad Post Number: 96 Registered: 07-2007 |
MMA can "take sides", because Macomb County government, and some residents have a history of racist, bigoted behavior toward blacks. Historically, blacks havent had any representation. I'm all for these young ladies having some forum with which to advocate for themselves. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 9979 Registered: 12-2003 |
Old_southwest, That is only the current myth, it's a conspiracy theory. Hard to believe, actually. Cheers. | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 1052 Registered: 04-2007 |
Meaghansdad- a more prudent,responsible, and reasonable approach would have been for MMA to offer support to the young women and to wait until all the facts are known before filing a complaint with the D of J. I think the members of MMA would do well to read the "Boy Who Cried Wolf". | ||
Meaghansdad Member Username: Meaghansdad Post Number: 97 Registered: 07-2007 |
How often have the uber-superior whites of Macomb County chose a more "prudent, responsible and reasonable" approach? | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2018 Registered: 06-2006 |
"because Macomb County government, and some residents have a history of racist, bigoted behavior toward blacks." Yes. So even if the two girls are at fault in this case, the MMA's support for the them is still justified since it makes up for other unrelated stuff that has happened... ::rolls eyes:: Seriously...it makes no sense for anyone to take sides without knowing more...all the article tells us is that there is a dispute and who the parties are...it doesn't give any details... Anyone who makes up their mind before they even hear the issue is an idiot... | ||
Meaghansdad Member Username: Meaghansdad Post Number: 98 Registered: 07-2007 |
It doesnt make up for unrelated items, but taking history , moreover recent history, into account it is a far more "prudent" for these young women to have someone advocate on their behalf. Is a boxcutter a weapon, really? For blacks to continue to be harassed by Macomb County police, in 2007, is an atrosity. I know most of you (read: whites) have not a clue what it feels like to be pulled over the minute you cross 8 Mile, to have your rights trampled upon solely because of your skin color, but I do, and in that vain, I for one am elated that this mockery of a renegade police force is going to be brought to light. Even if the young ladies were deemed to have committed a crime ( I cant believe this shit...a boxcutter??) it will illuminate the sheer audacity of the situation to the public eye. | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 1053 Registered: 04-2007 |
AMEN AND ALLELUJAH THE JESUS | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 1054 Registered: 04-2007 |
md- Yes MMA should advocate for them- help provide legal representation, be present at hearings, hold press conferences, and if the situation merits it file a complaint with the D of J. It appears that they did not pass go, and they will not collect $200. Deja vu of Tawana Brawley? Well, at least she goy a Rolex from Mike Tyson out of that witch hunt. | ||
Miss_cleo Member Username: Miss_cleo Post Number: 847 Registered: 05-2005 |
For cryin' out loud people, a boxcutter has a blade on it, it CAN cut you, there fore it can be considered a weapon. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2020 Registered: 06-2006 |
Meaghansdad: "I know most of you (read: whites) have not a clue what it feels like to be pulled over the minute you cross 8 Mile, to have your rights trampled upon solely because of your skin color" No, I don't know what that's like. That must be terrible. But I do know what its like to be falsely accused of racism because somebody didn't get their way, or because somebody can only see things from their own narrow perspective...I doubt you know what that's like, to be 100% in the right and nonetheless be labeled something terrible...but if I'm reading you correctly, my guess is that you don't care... the last line of you post tells me that you really don't care if the cops' actions were justified...you don't mind their names being smeared even if they haven't done anything wrong because you have a grudge against those who you associate them with...that's completely irrational, I've encountered many like you before and there's no point trying to persuade you since you lack the ability to reason The point here is, no information has come to light in this case that anyone can use as the basis to form an opinion as to who is in the right...could be the girls, could be the cops...nobody knows until more details come to light | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 1056 Registered: 04-2007 |
Right on the money Thejesus. As ministers the members of MMA should be concerned with truth and justice, wherever it lies. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9940 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: How do you know they don't know more about the case? Not saying that they do but you are rushing to judgement about what they know and what they do not know. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1545 Registered: 04-2006 |
The point here is, no information has come to light in this case that anyone can use as the basis to form an opinion as to who is in the right...could be the girls, could be the cops...nobody knows until more details come to light I think being charged with a CCW for carrying a box cutter in your car is a bit of a red flag, don't you think? | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2021 Registered: 06-2006 |
"How do you know they don't know more about the case? Not saying that they do but you are rushing to judgement about what they know and what they do not know." No, I'm not rushing to judgment. I'm taking the same position as you are...that I'd like to hear more details about this...And they might know more about the case form the girls, but it's only one side of the case... | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2022 Registered: 06-2006 |
"I think being charged with a CCW for carrying a box cutter in your car is a bit of a red flag, don't you think?" Charging someone for having box cutter seems a bit excessive...charging someone with racism for arresting someone for having a box cutter also seems excessive...that's one hell of a leap...don't you think? | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9941 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote{"How do you know they don't know more about the case? Not saying that they do but you are rushing to judgement about what they know and what they do not know." No, I'm not rushing to judgment. I'm taking the same position as you are...that I'd like to hear more details about this...And they might know more about the case form the girls, but it's only one side of the case...} They may have also gotten a statement from the police or the police report. The facts still have to come out but this story doesn't represent what either side knows or doesn't know. I agree that the facts need to come out but I am not willing to villify either organization until those facts come out. Seems some have already decided who is right and who is wrong. | ||
Bratt Member Username: Bratt Post Number: 607 Registered: 01-2004 |
Question: From what I have read, they were pulled over because they matched the description of two females who had been writing bad checks at Walmart. My question is, were they the women? | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 2083 Registered: 12-2003 |
I would think the only way a box cutter, a house hold tool, could be deemed a Concealed weapon is if it was used as deemed to be used as such. quote: Because that never happens in the reverse situation. | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 1059 Registered: 04-2007 |
No IHD- "The women, in their early 20s, both from Detroit, were charged after the Aug. 24 incident with assaulting an officer, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and possession of a concealed weapon." Is it possible that the women were aggressive and/or confrontational with the officer or officers involved? Is it possible that they did assault an officer and resist arrest? Perhaps The box cutter charge coming after it was found in the pocket one of the women when she was frisked? I am sure the MMA has plenty of information we don't, most of it from the girls involved. Unfortunately there are three sides to every story, yours, mine, and the truth. Let's wait for the WHOLE story before we jump to conclusions. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9942 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: _sj_ - I have heard people throw out wild claims that you can't drive while white in the city or you will get stopped. I however have never known anyone that has been pulled over for driving while white in Detroit. I'd like to hear real stories of this, not just the 'it happens' all the time claims. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6468 Registered: 02-2004 |
Most all white suburban police force would be anything to protect their pleasantville communities even they have racially profile every black, Asian, Hispanic ect... execept white folks. The Police in Nazi-Livonia racial profile any black motorist who crosses Inkster, 8 Mile, Haggerty and Joy Roads. I even a black motorist being racially profiled by Nazi-Livonia police officer on Middlebelt Rd. I hope that black motorist made a complaint to the NAACP, MCRI, CORE, and the ACLU right away. Racial profiling has now become the American way of life. It's kind like living in Nazi Germany where a Jew is being racially profiled by the SS and escort the Jew to its ghetto. What a racially police state had we become after terrorist struck our homeland after 9/11. Not only we to protect our nation for terrorists, but also protect our homeland against our American neighbors who could a a homegrown terrorist. | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 2084 Registered: 12-2003 |
Michigan, I still don't think that would fly. I would think it would have to been used during the resist or assault to be charged as a CCW. quote: You have never heard of people's rights being trampled because of their skin color? Then are not listening close enough, there are stories everyday of this occurring. You limited it to white people, I didn't | ||
Cybersanford Member Username: Cybersanford Post Number: 29 Registered: 06-2007 |
Call Jessie Jack-Off or Da reverbend Big Alz Shapertons! These 2 ho's were pulled over in a 1997 Dodge Shadow Green with a red hood and a primered door on the right side. The vehicle had no muffler, expired temporary plates in the back window. Now thats RACIAL PROFILLIN! By the way, the drivin Ho had a suspended license and no insurance. It is a travisty that 2 fine citizens like this were arested while drivin black! I thinks The MAN (George W) should declare war on All of Macomb county and drop some bombs or something! MAybe a invasion of the Zulu army? |
