  Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11689 Registered: 10-2003 |
Any Granholm supporters still think we are headed in the right direction, that plans are in place to turn things around? We are facing a government shutdown, as well as the highest monthly unemployment rate since September 1993. Toss in an 18% tumble for the housing market and it dumbfounds me how people can argue that we aren't in a recession, let alone bordering on a state depression. This is the worst governor of Michigan I will likely see in my life time. Makes me sick to think I actually voted for her the first time around because I believed she was the lesser of two evils. http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=/20070919/BUSINES S06/70919042 | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3989 Registered: 10-2004 |
Dana Johnson, Comerica's chief economist, today on WJR said that the current 7.4% unemployment rate would not shrink but only worsen as the national economy cools. Johnson also said that Michigan lost some 80,000 jobs this year--mostly in manufacturing and construction--and those would more likely be permanent job losses. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 447 Registered: 02-2006 |
Michigans current budget problems are even more of a reason for a strong third party. The two party system is broken, everyone knows it and nobody wants to be the one to start fixing it. I vote third party right now in most major elections as a protest but I would much rather use it as strong option to the two current parties. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1287 Registered: 10-2003 |
Well, since her "5 years" declaration was made in January of 2006, maybe you should wait until a little closer to the end of the 5 years. Just sayin' | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 591 Registered: 12-2003 |
This is nationwide, not just Michigan. Example One Example Two Example Three Example Four Example Five Example Six Example Seven Example Eight Example Nine Example Ten Do you want more? Recalcitrant sap. Should I blame Bush now too? A National or State Economy is not the product of one person. Look at where you work now. Is the final product due solely to the effort of the CEO or Owner? For some reason people like you seem to think that politics works different than any other business in the world. Whereas most business's are the result of a collaborative effort but politics are, regardless of who is in charge or what style is in place is merely the handy work of whoever is running the show because they should be able to control all outside forces; i.e. global economic patterns, business cycles or other such events. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3990 Registered: 10-2004 |
Strange that instead of practicing austerity for a state near bankrupt, Granholm and her fellow socialists are planning some 21 new state programs with no visible means of support for them other than a stiff series of new tax increases. They are proposing an increase in state income tax rates that will enable further spending increases of between $1 billion to $2 billion annually more than they previously would otherwise need. Why don't they just try to push the rates to the least possible? Because they--the statists who want bigger and bigger government--won't do that because they simply want to spend more and more and lock in more and more government (i.e., socialist) programs. Unfortunately, the businesses that enable the taxpayers to earn an income will leave in ever increasing numbers as a likely result--never to return. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 880 Registered: 01-2007 |
Well Bussey, it isn't hard to find support for doom and gloom for those of you who relish it: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/19/nbc-rains-rate-cut-beware-downside-any-economic-upturn (Message edited by Bulletmagnet on September 19, 2007) | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 4153 Registered: 11-2006 |
Digging her own grave politically and for post gubernatorial prospects, assuming Michiganders wise up and vote conservative next time. | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1372 Registered: 12-2003 |
"...assuming Michiganders wise up and vote conservative next time." Yeah, because we know how keen Americans are on the Republican party going into election season. | ||
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob Post Number: 1290 Registered: 10-2003 |
And it has gone so swimmingly on the federal level recently. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3991 Registered: 10-2004 |
The Schadenfreudists who seem to delight in the downturn of the national economy outside of Michigan should realize that Michiganians would suffer the most due to the products made here are very vulnerable to a softening economy. There hasn't been a recession in the 20th Century where there wasn't clear evidence for its very harsh and adverse economic effects locally. Consumers with less disposable incomes can put off new vehicle purchases or not engage in Michigan's tourism because they are not absolute necessities. | ||
Wazootyman Member Username: Wazootyman Post Number: 256 Registered: 02-2006 |
If I lose my job, I'm blaming Granholm. Or the Republicans. Damn you, Bush! I'm almost certain the UAW had a hand in it. Then I'll post on an internet forum about it, using colorful language to describe our state such as "going down the tubes" or "one state recession". I won't acknowledge the dim finance-based future of the US economy as a whole, but I will gladly buy a Honda, because Hell - they're made in Ohio, right? Those American cars suck, and they're built by drunk guys making at least $200,000 a year, designed by people who just don't understand that what the American people most want in a car is that Toyota badge. I go out to dinner, and sometimes have to wait just less than an hour! Can you believe that? They can't even sell out a Tigers or Lions game anymore...nobody has any money or jobs. Driving to work is a breeze, except today - traffic was really heavy. There must be a lot of people driving to the unemployment office at 7:00am. The important thing is that we focus and grab onto figures in the thousands about jobs lost. We have to absolutely make sure that we hate ourselves and where we live. Never mind that a majority of hires are done one or two at a time, without a press release. Got a new job? Eh, you'll probably lose it in the next month or so. If 80,000 manufacturing jobs were lost, it's almost a certainty that those people will never, ever find work in this state again. In fact, I can hear them moving south-bound now... ...if only that $500,000 house they bought was worth more than $23,000 now. I'M BLOWN AWAY! | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 4156 Registered: 11-2006 |
Cheddar, you mean the approval of the Democrat majority congress is not good?? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3992 Registered: 10-2004 |
One point apparently glossed over by some: Those job losses are NET job losses. Obviously, some new jobs were created, but more than 80,000 jobs were actually lost. | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 148 Registered: 07-2007 |
The key question is what areas are we seeing new job creation? We all know that most of the manufacturing and automotive jobs that are going away are never going to come back no matter how well the economy does in the future. The real question is what are the jobs of the future and is Michigan in a position to capture them? Conservatives prattling on about taxes ignore the fact that Michigan's income and business taxes are at their lowest rates in many years. Plus, you have your Bush tax cuts that you love to promote. Between those two, if taxation policy drove the economy, we should be zooming towards recovery. Instead, it's clear that the economic problems we are having have little to do with our current tax rates and the solution isn't going to come from tax cuts. Instead, we need to be investing back into our state and yes, that does require money. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3993 Registered: 10-2004 |
Investing to a socialist means to tax more... Investments should be restricted to the private sector--where they benefit the most--and not to a spendthrift public sector. | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 759 Registered: 12-2006 |
Good point LY. Interesting that states are doing well which are high tax states, and states are doing well which are low tax states. I think it's a combination of level of taxation vs. level of service that attracts different kinds of people and different kinds of businesses. Michigan is in the middle of the pack taxation-wise, so I have to think the relatively very poor performance has more to do with how the State chooses to spend the money than with how much money it spends. But as LY said: governments do not, for the most part, "invest" at all; they just spend. A more reasonable argument, which I've tried and failed to start elsewhere on this forum, is: what things should we spend less on, or spend more on, as a State? But all I get is vitriol and dross. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 635 Registered: 05-2005 |
Yes! That's it! We need to raise taxes! Here all of this time, the hard-working people of Michigan have been making too much money! Who would have thought that reason that the state is going down the economic shitter is because we all have TOO MUCH money in our pockets! State bureaucrats DO NOT make enough money! State bureaucrats ARE NOT awash in a sea of payroll benefits! And quite frankly, there ARE NOT enough state bureaucrats, period! WE NEED MORE OF THEM! That's the answer! We need to INVEST in Michigan by hiring another battalion or two of bureaucrats to join the legions of bureaucrats already on staff! That's the future of Michigan! More Taxes More Bureaucrats More Benefits for Bureaucrats More State Programs More State Departments Less take home pay for each hard-working resident Less inviting economic conditions for each business Less, less, less for us! More, more, more for the bureaucrats! That's the answer! I mean hey, your way of thinking worked WONDERS for the City of Detroit. They started going down the economic shitter decades ago. And what did they do? They raised taxes and hired more bureaucrats! They created more programs and departments. And then they raised taxes and hired more bureaucrats. And then they raised taxes some more, and some more and some more. Until well, you know, most of the tax payers left! But who needs em anyway! Why, anyone can see that increasing taxes and growing government helped the City of Detroit become the economic dynamo and beacon of wealth and prosperity that it is today! This is the true path for economic success for Michigan! Novine, you're a fucking genius! Thanks for the awesome post! | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3994 Registered: 10-2004 |
How many on DY are aware that state government retirees are exempt from paying state income taxes on their pensions? (Message edited by LivernoisYard on September 20, 2007) | ||
Alan55 Member Username: Alan55 Post Number: 540 Registered: 09-2005 |
A bit myopic of all you connies. Engler spent the last few years of his self-centered administration spending down the state's Rainy Day fund. Johnny didn't even try to balance the budget. A typical credit-card conservative - just spend the money and let your successors figure out how to pay the bills when they come due. (He had already set himself up by bloating the state's computer contracts from $55 million per year to $555 million per year with single-source, no bid-contracts to EDS (can you say, "Haliburton"?). Amazingly, and of course coincidentally, three weeks after his term ended, he got a job as a senior executive at.......EDS. Then he, Michelle, and the triplets immediately left the state, because "Virginia is a great place to live". The state economy was already several years into decline when fat Johnny hit the road. Funny how that selective Alzheimer's kicks in for you connies on stuff like that. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3995 Registered: 10-2004 |
McNarama left Michigan too, didn't he? Many bureaucrats or those in elected state government leave the state afterwards. That's no secret and not new. | ||
Alan55 Member Username: Alan55 Post Number: 542 Registered: 09-2005 |
You're right - Engler is not the first, or the last, to screw the people of the State of Michigan, for his own selfish gain. Just the highest-ranking, and the greediest. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2796 Registered: 06-2004 |
reads familiar http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/ Timeline.htm | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11690 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Oh God, you're right, so she was talking 2011? Will Michigan still exist? Or will we be divided up amongst the surrounding states? | ||
Formerspringgardener Member Username: Formerspringgardener Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2006 |
A Japanese doctor says, "Medicine in my country is so advanced that we can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have him out looking for work in six weeks." A German doctor says, "That is nothing. We can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him out looking for work in four weeks." A British doctor says, "In my country medicine is so advanced that we can take half a heart out of one person, put it in another, and have both of them out looking for work in two weeks." A Canadian doctor, not to be outdone, interjected, "You guys are way behind. We took a woman with no brains, sent her to Michigan where she became Governor, and now half the state is out looking for work." | ||
Jiscodazz Member Username: Jiscodazz Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2007 |
War in Iraq. GM, Ford, Chrysler making cars nobody wants. Manufacturing jobs going over seas(because of shitty free trade agreements). Last time I checked, Granholm had nothing to do with those things. DeVos or Engler would not be doing any better in her situation. Also, what have the Republicans in the Senate(and formerly of the House) done to make it any better? | ||
Detroitbill Member Username: Detroitbill Post Number: 325 Registered: 09-2006 |
Some of you are unbelievable, here we go again, blame Granholm for the whole economic state of Michigan and the U.S. for that matter. Using that mentality we should be blaming Bush more than anyone. You dont exactly see the prez come running to Michigans aid to help it, very much the opposite. Michigan is stuck in the unenviable position of letting itself concentrate on the auto industry as its reason for existence. This has been so for 70 years plus, and when the going was good, bragged about it. Little attempt was made to diversify at the time. Now we are in a world competitive market, our wages are to high to be competitive and our work ethic is not the best by any means. So Granholm is suppose to save everyone. She nor DeVos could save this from happening, all you can do is try to rebuild. Everyone squaks about tax increases yet are the first to complain when services are cut.. Now Im really confused. As for the republicans being fiscally responsible, one must reflect on the state of the national debt. Bush and company have caused the largest increase in debt in national history yet passed a tax cut primarily to wealthier taxpayers. The theory was these same people would invest in industry to get the country going again, What they did infact was keep the money for their own pleasures or invest in companies who were highly profitable via outsourcing their jobs to foreign countries.. The situation is rather messy and frankly everyone is to blame for it. We all need to look in our own homes and some driveways to see that we all have a hand in this. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 782 Registered: 10-2003 |
Bussey, thank you for injecting common sense into this useless thread! While I wouldn't label myself a Granholm "supporter", it is obvious to me that she has very little control over an economic machine that was set up to eventually fail from the very beginning. The ENTIRE United States is on a path of decline and destruction, how gradual or how sudden that change will be is anyone's guess. We aren't the only ones. | ||
Ja1mz Member Username: Ja1mz Post Number: 64 Registered: 02-2007 |
jiscodazz- Manufacturing jobs going over seas(because of shitty free trade agreements due to Clinton). Last time I checked, Granholm had nothing to do with those things. DeVos or Engler would not be doing any better in her situation. Also, what have the Republicans in the Senate(and formerly of the House) done to make it any better? correction | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6546 Registered: 02-2004 |
YAY GRANHOLM! She is on the right track of bring jobs into Michigan. Just be patient! Right now she is cleaning up Engler's and his Michigan Legislative House Neo-con money mess. She's staying the course and I support her work. |
