Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2808 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:00 am: | |
In the "Wonderful night in the D!" thread, Dialh mentioned a death at the Fine Arts. Turns out it was the owner - http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/14183651/detail.html |
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku
Post Number: 1609 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:04 am: | |
man what an f'ed up town |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2194 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:06 am: | |
lovely |
Gannon Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 10293 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:14 am: | |
Two shots to the head. She really pissed somebody off. |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 423 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:19 am: | |
Seems a little extreme to get even that way. Guess subtlety isn't someone's strong suit. |
Gannon Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 10296 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:22 am: | |
This is our new whodunnit. I wonder who those she had 'public fights' with are...it surely must be someone with a huge ego or much to lose...or both. |
Rjk Member Username: Rjk
Post Number: 868 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:47 am: | |
If I were one of the people who was feuding with her I'd be expecting a knock on the door. If I were one of the people who found her I think I'd have large amounts of alcohol in my system. How do you get over finding someone with two bullet holes in their head? |
Themax Member Username: Themax
Post Number: 842 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:50 am: | |
Why wasn't the woman named in the news article? Saying she owned the Fine Arts Theatre should identify her to family. And what is the Fine Arts Theatre? |
Cambeaux Member Username: Cambeaux
Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 12:56 pm: | |
I thought the owner was Shahida Mausi of the Right Productions - the people who operate and book concerts for Chene Park. I hope this is not true. It would be a HUGE loss if it is. |
Mbr Member Username: Mbr
Post Number: 234 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 1:19 pm: | |
I don't believe Right Productions owns the building. |
Kathleen Member Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 2487 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 1:24 pm: | |
That explains why a Fox2 cameraman was shooting photos outside the Fine Arts Theatre building around 12 noon today. We were checking out the Crystal Lofts development after breakfast downtown and saw the camera guy filming the building. Thought he was just taking stock footage for an event. (Message edited by Kathleen on September 23, 2007) |
Mbr Member Username: Mbr
Post Number: 235 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 1:24 pm: | |
Here's a State of Michigan Court of Appeals decision regarding ownership of the Theatre: http://www.michbar.org/opinion s/appeals/2007/051007/35901.pd f |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 1728 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 1:30 pm: | |
"They said they are not surprised she was killed because she had been in several public fights with people." "One witness, who did not want to be identified, said she had been threatened publicly. She was even driving a rental car because she said she was being followed, according to the witness." Yikes! What kind of theatre business was this? |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 425 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 4:08 pm: | |
Just business as usual in Detroit. Guess someone hasn't had a class in conflict resolution. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1430 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 4:16 pm: | |
Remember, folks, use "I" statements. Example: I wish you'd step back a bit. I feel uncomfortable. Don't use "YNT" statements. Example: You need to back da phuck up! |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1688 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 4:47 pm: | |
^LOL! But seriously, this sounds like a hit. Any divorces or estranged husbands in her past? |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 5389 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 5:00 pm: | |
Isn't Shahida Mausi the daughter of the late Joyce Garrett, long time "companion" of Coleman A. Young? |
Chow Member Username: Chow
Post Number: 426 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 5:02 pm: | |
ah, i was wondering why the police presence outside the building last night. now i know... |
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet
Post Number: 883 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 5:36 pm: | |
Charlottepaul did it! |
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 190 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 6:49 pm: | |
From my limited observation, I deduct that someone was owed money, maybe from a junior lien or other interest in the building, or wanted control of the building. The people who have a interest as future owners or benefactors may be looked at , but this is just a guess. |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 419 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 6:57 pm: | |
This sounds like somebody didnt pay for their drugs. |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 2192 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 7:46 pm: | |
OK we have two guesses. Anyone else want to play armchair Columbo? |
Gnome Member Username: Gnome
Post Number: 88 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:45 pm: | |
As the facts come in use this cheat sheet: Back 'o head is from Western UNion: it sends a message to someone else. Frontal, is debt collection. First shot is for dead, second is for insurance on the first. More than two and you either are mad or afraid. Multipal shots denote emotional involvement. Anybody know where Joel Loving, er, Coleman Jr was last night? |
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels
Post Number: 251 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:53 pm: | |
I hope it is not Shahidi either...I know her son and I do not want to see im loose his mother. please let me know before I call him |
Mbr Member Username: Mbr
Post Number: 236 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:03 pm: | |
The article states it was the "owner" of the building. Shahidi is not the owner as far as I know. There have been some ownership disputes in court in clearing the title as posted earlier. The link above from the Court of Appeals lists several names of owners, none of them being Shahidi. I would hate to speculate on such a matter and it's probably best to wait until more facts are known before calling anybody. |
Swingline Member Username: Swingline
Post Number: 900 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 10:28 am: | |
The victim at the Fine Arts was Valerie Atikian. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070924/M ETRO01/709240302/1006. She has been involved with the theater for several years. While this is a terrible crime, there certainly exists the possibility that it was not random. The theater was involved in several sketchy transactions that resulted in some outside investors loaning several hundred thousand dollars for renovations and getting conned out of their money. The victim was personally involved in these transactions. (See the Court of Appeals decision.) The Fine Arts has for many years passed through the hands of all kinds of upstanding Detroit citizens, including that famous Brush Park drug kingpin (whose name escapes me right now) who got gunned down outside his Brush Park party store about ten years ago. He laundered his money by buying up all kinds of property and the Fine Arts was in his "portfolio" at the time of his death. His "extended family" fought for many years over the scraps, which included some fairly large sums received for property condemned by the Stadium Authority. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 6572 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 10:35 am: | |
An act of vengance in the ghettos of Detroit what a terrible waist of time. |
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa
Post Number: 954 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 10:38 am: | |
waste, Danny. |
Spitty Member Username: Spitty
Post Number: 616 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 11:07 am: | |
Incredible Waist of Time |
Rjk Member Username: Rjk
Post Number: 873 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:06 am: | |
Another article. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070925/M ETRO/709250375/1003/rss36 |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 6580 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:13 am: | |
This could be a case of FOUL PLAY! |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 426 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:30 am: | |
Paybacks are a bitch |
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels
Post Number: 254 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:56 am: | |
thank you...I knew Shahidi didn't own the building - however, the news these days isnt the most accurate |
Gnome Member Username: Gnome
Post Number: 98 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:09 am: | |
Oh, Albanians, er, don't know if a lot of people know this, but there is concept called the "Kanun of Leke Dukagjin", or "Code of Lek", that regulates revenge killings. Leke Dukagjin was a 15th Century Albanian Prince that was getting tired of the willy-nilly murders and evil spells that were being done by - and to - his citizens. Gosh, dear ol Leke invented a code of revenge that dictates the type, style and extent of revenge one can take against their neighbor. No longer can you chop off your neighbor's hand because he stole your chicken; no, you can kill his goat, nothing more. Everything in the Albanian Lek Code is laid out. Adultary with your daughter-in-law? yep, there is a punishment. Accidental death of your cousin's son? Yep, it's covered. Stealing water, horses, coffee pots? yep, yep and yep. For murder, there are even methods that are dictated. guns, knives, swords everything is covered. Even where you can inflict the fatal blow. You can think of the Code of Lek as REVENGIPEDIA. Whenever an Albanian is killed, it's best to break out your copy of the Lek Code. Oh, yeah, you can also bet that a few more trunks are going to be found with people inside. Stand by. Now, is it fair of me to imply that all Albanians live by the Lek Code? Is it fair to make a broad generalization across an entire ethnic group? Is it right, or PC, to cast aspersions without any facts to back up my theory? No, but it's a good place to start. |
Downtownguy Member Username: Downtownguy
Post Number: 62 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:13 am: | |
^^The owner was Armenian, not Albanian. (Message edited by downtownguy on September 25, 2007) |
Gannon Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 10365 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:13 am: | |
Yeah, we went from two to the front to ONE to the rear (in this latest News story)... ...what do each of those indicate in the Lek code of ethics?! |
Gnome Member Username: Gnome
Post Number: 99 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:25 am: | |
gannon- my code book is rather dusty, but since I mis-read the article, I must confess that my theory is completely wrong. d-townguy - thank you for setting me straight, and for calling me a "genius", that is so kind of you. |
Downtownguy Member Username: Downtownguy
Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:32 am: | |
Yeah, that was snarky. I guess you saw it before I edited it. Sorry. |
Gnome Member Username: Gnome
Post Number: 100 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:55 am: | |
I wouldn't call it "snarky" because snarky denotes a level of insight or cleverness that was absent from your editorial comment. That is an example of "snarky". |
Downtownguy Member Username: Downtownguy
Post Number: 65 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 3:02 pm: | |
Well, I guess you are a genius after all. |
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city
Post Number: 405 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:45 pm: | |
I crossed the sister before and noticed that her character was very forceful, tenacious and unappologetic...businesslike in that she would get what she wanted by working for it. I feel for the family and am sorry this happened. Especially in our community that we're trying to glorify. |
Spidergirl Member Username: Spidergirl
Post Number: 314 Registered: 12-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 6:19 pm: | |
While the Detroit News article claims she is from Southfield, she has(had) the unit next to mine in Merchant's Row. I always wondered what she did for a living - she never seemed to be here. Sad. |