  Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6569 Registered: 02-2004 |
If the partial Michigan State Government shutdown is imminent what would happen to state services? 1. There would be NO distribution of alcoholic sales. Most bars, pubs, sport bars, stadiums, supermarkets and convenient stores will not receive their next shipment of any alcoholic beverages. 2. There would be no state lottery sales, that means no more funding to all public, charter, colleges and state universities. This could mean NO extra-cirricular activities and school supplies . 3. There would be NO caSINo gambling. This means no extra revenue for city or town economy. 4. Fewer state police force will be totally shut down causing more violent crime and further automobile accidents. 5. The state prison system will not hold any more prisoners due to lack of funding and state government shutdown. This means prisoners could be released early after serving longer or shorter sentences. 6. All Secretary of State offices will be totally shut down. People will not renew their licenses, apply for voter registration cards, state ID's ect... 7. Most people who receive cash assistances and EBT Bridge Cards from the FIA will be cancelled. Most FIA branch offices will be closed. New recipients will not apply or reapply for either cash assistances and EBT bridge cards. Its time to make your choice. Leave Michigan and don't come back or join Gen Granholm's War to force the Republicans to ratify the state income tax hike. As for me I'm staying and fight with Gen. Granholm. Who's with me? HEIL GRANHOLM! OUR GREAT DEMOCRATIC GENERAL AND CHANCELLOR OF MICHIGAN! (Message edited by danny on September 24, 2007) | ||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 243 Registered: 11-2005 |
Know your government. The state Republican SENATE created a $1.75-billion dollar deficit, and the Republican SENATE has refused to balance the budget. Typical credit card Republicans. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6571 Registered: 02-2004 |
Since The Michigan State Senate refuse the budget tax hike. They should be recalled. RECALLED THEM ALL and replace them with an all Michigan Democratic Senate by next years election. | ||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 244 Registered: 11-2005 |
How would the Republican Senate save the State of Michigan? • $290 million: K-12 public schools -- eliminate 2.5% funding hike and $40 million for at-risk students and middle school math. The Republicans would really cut the government fat. The first step is to cut funding to the biggest government parasites, the children. • $207 million: Department of Human Services -- close W.J. Maxey Boys Training School; cut $47 million in day care reimbursements. The Republican Senate is committed to helping working mothers work by cutting day care reimbursements. Perhaps the Republicans figure working mothers who need day care reimbursements will take a cue from the federal Republicans and charge it. • $111 million: Department of Corrections -- close three prisons.• $36 million: Universities -- but turn over $138 million withheld earlier this year. In a show of fiscal responsibility the Republicans have proven that they're not committed to putting everyone in the Michigan prisons, just everyone in Michigan prisons minus the 3 prisons they intend to cut. In a Republican effort to attract high-tech jobs to this manufacturing state the Republicans continue to cut higher education. • $14 million: Secretary of State -- close 25 branch offices and lay off 80 employees. The Republicans saved the greatest piece of government bacon for last, the Secretary of State, which has always been regarded as an unnecessary government service. Finally the Secretary of State experience will be as slow as Republicans drive. (Message edited by gmich99 on September 24, 2007) | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 2695 Registered: 10-2003 |
I like how the republicans came up with a list of cuts to avoid an income tax hike, then voted no on them. Good work! Hey, thanks Michigan government, for your astounding leadership. I think I speak for all Michigan citizens, when I say your re-election is more important to us than our jobs, economy, and services. Way to stand strong, and keep it real. Your number one priority is YOU, not us sniveling pleabs. Keep up the good work! | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6574 Registered: 02-2004 |
Great plan Gmich99, Spoken like a true democratic politician. Let's cut or dock the their pay for the Republicans. They don't have to live a rich life with all that satellite cable, fancy clothes, beautiful cars, sending their children to private schools, buying fancy food, purchasing credit cars. The People in Michigan are suffering while the Republicans whistling dixie. We will fight this war even we have go to every house of the Michigan republicans and protest and launch a petition to dock their bi-weekly pay. | ||
Kslice Member Username: Kslice Post Number: 159 Registered: 04-2007 |
I like how this forum is in such contrast to the Freep forum. I agree with all of you but almost none of them. I guess this shows what REAL Detroit thinks. This is pretty much any Freep budget debate in a nutshell, NO TAXES, RECALL GRANHOLM! | ||
Higgs1634 Member Username: Higgs1634 Post Number: 171 Registered: 10-2005 |
I believe the Senate passed that cuts bill. the House (democrat controlled) refused to take it up. also... house Democrats could not round up the necessary votes for tax hikes to erase most of the state's red ink, Sunday Senate Republicans tried to get it done with mostly budget cuts. (Message edited by higgs1634 on September 24, 2007) | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 10341 Registered: 12-2003 |
I don't like the potential problems within the city if the EBT payments stop...this could catalyze some civil unrest. OH, crap, enough with the PC talk, it might foment rioting at worst, an increase in petty crimes at least. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6576 Registered: 02-2004 |
Kslice, Do you have any proof why General Granholm should be recalled. She did brought a lot a alternative jobs into our Great State and ease property taxes in her last 6 years. She is doing the GREAT JOB is governing this state. It's the ENGLER LOVING Michigan State Republic Senate that can't clean up this 1.76 billion dollar mess. They the ones need to be recalled and I hope that most Michiganders would open their eyes and see the truth of this matter for the next election year get's into full gear. Most Republicans not only from Michigan and the rest of the U.S. will their political doom from the great democratic uprising. So far it's already started on the both houses on Congress now democratic majority and soon it would reach to the executive branch and most states, too. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 10345 Registered: 12-2003 |
Danny, She wasn't saying it, she was repeating the ad nauseam repetition...I was going to tease her for making US read it, too! | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4039 Registered: 10-2004 |
Danny, just what's an international alternative job? I Googled "international alternative job" and came up with only 14 hits--nonsense actually. So, according to you, the few "international alternative jobs," whatever they are, will compensate for the nearly 1/8 million Michigan net jobs lost this year? Already some 80,000 net jobs were lost during 2/3 of the year, so about 120,000 net jobs should be lost for the entire 2007--especially now that the US economy is slowing and Michigan always suffers badly whenever that occurs. Could you fill us in about those mysterious jobs of yours? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 2697 Registered: 10-2003 |
From the front page of the Sunday Free Press. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20070923/OPI NION01/709230601&theme=BUDGETC RISIS092007 An Utter Failure of Leadership | ||
Kslice Member Username: Kslice Post Number: 162 Registered: 04-2007 |
I think you have me all wrong Danny. That last bit was just a wrap-up of what everyone on the Freep forum says. Not what I think at all. The problem with Democrats is they are usually stuck with republican messes when they get to office (Who ever is pres. in '08 will have a heck of job in front of them). Granholm was stuck with Englars "spend money and cut taxes" budget plan Englar was smart enough to get out of office so none of this would be his fault. Now it's up to Granholm to be the bad girl and raise taxes to prevent a shutdown. Do you really think Englar or DeVos could have stopped Comerica from leaving? How about VW? Could they have turned it around for the auto companies? The answer is of course no. She's done almost the best with the very little she's had. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 199 Registered: 07-2007 |
Democrats call a static budget with no increase due to CPI or expected increase a cut. I always thought a cut in spending was from the prior year. Silly me. | ||
Jeduncan Member Username: Jeduncan Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2006 |
If I'm not making enough to pay my bills, and I'm already struggling to buy the bare essentials, I can't go and say "Alright, I'll buy less food." I'd starve. Apply that analogy to state budget and the well being of the state. Simple. create a way to bring in more money. A ten year old could figure out that we need more money coming in. Why can't the state legislature? I think I'm gonna vote my 10 year old nephew into state senate next time around. (Message edited by jeduncan on September 24, 2007) | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 449 Registered: 02-2006 |
I am still lost as to what exactly the single business tax was. Can anyone explain it to me? Why was it so bad? Why wasn't there any plan to replace it before it was eliminated? Isn't it obvious that if such a huge revenue source is eliminated something will have to replace it? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4050 Registered: 10-2004 |
Try cutting costs more often. The rest of us have to. Remember that education cost increases almost never filter down to the classrooms. They're primarily spent on Cadillac health-care plans and on increases for retirement pensions. That's no secret and can be verified by those interested enough to check it out. | ||
Jeduncan Member Username: Jeduncan Post Number: 146 Registered: 11-2006 |
1-1=0 seems simple to me. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 202 Registered: 07-2007 |
maybe other states don't have this tax. therefore it is onerous and anti competitive. tax me more, maybe i will invest more??? | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 450 Registered: 02-2006 |
How was the tax structured? | ||
Gazhekwe Member Username: Gazhekwe Post Number: 630 Registered: 08-2007 |
Maybe other states DO have taxes. Decisions should be made on facts not speculation. Example: Tennesee, no income tax, but 7% sales tax, and cities and counties can add up to 2.75% to that. http://www.retirementliving.co m/RLtaxes.html | ||
Mdoyle Member Username: Mdoyle Post Number: 215 Registered: 10-2006 |
"education cost increases almost never filter down to the classrooms" I suppose the 13% Tuition increase I just paid for at WSU was just my imagination then. Get a grip, these cuts DIRECTLY effect classrooms. The education cuts are leading to further brain drain which is definitely NOT helping the economy. Call you representatives and DEMAND they ix this damn thing. NO MORE CUTS FOR EDUCATION!•• | ||
Jeduncan Member Username: Jeduncan Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2006 |
Right on! Doyle! I'm in the same boat! | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 204 Registered: 07-2007 |
Tuition increases are not correlated with taxes. The "brain drain' is because companies do not want to start up or invest or expand here because of cost or 'intangibles'. The University systems bureaucracies throughout the US are built on increasing fees annually. | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1461 Registered: 12-2004 |
No one is showing any leadership, on either side of the isle. Its ridiculous. Let's be grown ups and compromise. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 453 Registered: 02-2006 |
A third party sure would help right about now. I can't understand why a legit 3rd party hasn't formed yet. | ||
Jeduncan Member Username: Jeduncan Post Number: 149 Registered: 11-2006 |
my guess is that the two main parties have too much money to compete with. | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 456 Registered: 02-2006 |
All it takes is one person with a lot of money (Perot). I know Stryker and DeVos love their respective parties but someone with their money who is unhappy with the current system and really wants to do something about it could make it happen. | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 529 Registered: 04-2006 |
Let Wal-Mart run our government. Low prices for good service will bring more jobs to our state. Imagine good schools, police and fire and mass transit at decent low reasonable prices. YES, let's fire our present state officials and replace them with top Wal-Mart officials. Then we can balance the budget and lower taxes instead of raising them again and again and again. Our children will have to have a tax revolt if we keep our current leaders in place. | ||
Dnvn522 Member Username: Dnvn522 Post Number: 284 Registered: 11-2004 |
quote:Now would be the best time for a third party to emerge. With everyone pissed at both the Dems and Repubs, a third party could actually be viable right now. | ||
Oakmangirl Member Username: Oakmangirl Post Number: 427 Registered: 08-2007 |
Metaphorically, Michigan has been without a state government for many years. Third party? Independent? We're not nearly progressive enough. |
