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Username: Postbop
Post Number: 7
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 3:14 am: |    |
I would love to hear liberal and conservative opinions on who should take more responsibility more Detroit's economic woes. Of course all three parts of government have blame, but where does more of the fault lie?
what will turn our fortune around? |
Tkelly1986
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Username: Tkelly1986
Post Number: 411
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 7:20 am: | |
Neither, the majority of the fault lies with the incompetent city officials, especially the race baiting clowns on city council. With their continued employment and the casual acceptance of the “me first” attitude and corruption in city government, real change is only a pipe dream. Detroit needs to stand up and say, this is unacceptable.
It’s a vicious cycle of election and appointment of individuals with little or no qualifications to lead, let alone brings new ideas to the plate. It’s the same old stuff, the city officials think Detroit is owed something and nobody is willing to think outside the box to attract new investment. And when new investment is made, it’s not because of the hard work by the city officials; it’s because of someone like Roger Penske. However, the officials are quick to take credit, because they “allowed” for things like the Superbowl to happen. What a joke. I hope that change is on the horizon, but it seems like an acceptance of the status quo is a little too commonplace for some of the residents of Detroit. (I am not saying people on this board; this is one of the few beacons of optimism, but we need this optimism to spread….how that happens is another topic). |
Lombaowski
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Username: Lombaowski
Post Number: 57
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 7:26 am: | |
Coleman Young, Ronald Reagan, the UAW, Whitey who got scared and left. |
Frankg
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Username: Frankg
Post Number: 26
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 7:52 am: | |
Engler and Reagan. Then Bush II accelerated the problems. |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2810
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:03 am: | |
Who do you blame for the auto industry becoming more efficient and reducing the number of jobs on the lines? Who do you blame for the auto industry moving to suburban and rural areas where land is less expensive? Who do you blame for the city and state becoming so dependent on a single industry and not remaining diversified? Who do you blame for the general downward trend of the US worker?
Detroit's ebb and flow is the result of chasing the almighty dollar - who do you blame for that? |
Udmphikapbob
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Username: Udmphikapbob
Post Number: 465
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:12 am: | |
I came here to say Reagan, but that's been taken...I'll go back even farther then and say Eisenhower for the Interstate Highway program. Also, the rural Macomb and Oakland County Commissioners who couldn't reach an agreement with the City to construct a real mass transit system with the money the Ford administration promised. |
Danny
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Username: Danny
Post Number: 6581
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:16 am: | |
Don't blame Granholm, BLAME BUSH and the Republican thugs for their folly ideals of increasing economic trade policies.
I'm glad that Dick DeVos did not become governor. For if he did, then Michigan is doomed. |
Umcs
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Username: Umcs
Post Number: 41
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:19 am: | |
Neither and none of our elected officials. Two reasons.
Politicians and their faults only reflect the larger faults in society. We failed to anticipate changes and meet them head on. We took the easy, more comfortable road. We took the devil we knew instead of the one we didn't.
Also, we don't live in China where an executive leader in government can mobilize everyone to move in one direction. |
Gannon
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Username: Gannon
Post Number: 10366
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:23 am: | |
quote:Detroit's ebb and flow is the result of chasing the almighty dollar - who do you blame for that?
He shoots...he SCORES! |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1694
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:41 am: | |
Whose idea was it to pave interstates over city neighborhoods? That's who I blame. |
Michigan
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Username: Michigan
Post Number: 1205
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 10:49 am: | |
Well, this thread illustrates who is responsible, and why the situation is not improving.
The people who have lived in Detroit, and the metro area, for the last forty years are responsible. Not governments, especially not the current ones. Detroit was over the edge of the cliff long before Granholm and Bush stumbled onto the train wreck.
Please, stop the incessant search for someone else to blame. Voters in Detroit elect Kwame. Voters in the burbs elect governments that don't even want to speak to Detroit, let alone co-operate with it. So now you know who is to blame, you are. |
Yvette248
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Username: Yvette248
Post Number: 958
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 11:04 am: | |
Amen, Michigan.
We are the ones who set the tone for politics, business and civic pride (or lack thereof) in this region. If you are looking for someone to blame for our mess, look in the mirror, then look at your next door neighbor, then look at your co-worker.
Way beyond just our little corner of the world, this weak, pathetic, pass-the-buck mentality is the exact reason why other nationalities are surpassing AMERICANS in technology, education, work ethics and moral standards. |
Nyct
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Username: Nyct
Post Number: 73
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 1:14 pm: | |
Well since Bush gets blamed for every friggin misfortune in the world, it HAS to be his fault. All of Michigan's problems began on the day he took office too, so that's another fact that proves this phenomenon!
Granholm's total lack of ability and the fact that she is a horrible governor is Bush's fault too. |
Oakmangirl
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Username: Oakmangirl
Post Number: 426
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 1:18 pm: | |
John Engler. |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2812
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 1:23 pm: | |
I give some credit to both Kwame and the Gov - managing messes in tight times is a lot harder than in easy times. Add to that the Gov. has no financial reserves to fall back on, unlike Engler, to make things easier.
Detroit and Michigan will only be stronger once we get through this. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 211
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 7:22 pm: | |
I'm sure there plenty of blame to go around to all.
Maybe the Voters who elected idiots.
Postbop, who do you think is most to blame? |
Titancub
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Username: Titancub
Post Number: 82
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 7:53 pm: | |
Granholm has been a disaster as our state leader. Nice enough person with good values and all, but she has failed to step up and lead our state during these tough times. Passing some blame to others is legitimate but I think her inability to step and steer our state is a HUGE issue.
I also take big issue with Levin, Stabenow, Dingell, et al in Washington representing us. They have failed to support the state and return money and programs that we desperately have needed.
I also blame folks who still perpetuate the divide and hate of city and suburb. This kills our reputation as a region and discourages investment. Like it or not we are viewed collectively as one to the outside world and therefore must come together to enrich ourselves. |
Royce
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Username: Royce
Post Number: 2384
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:04 pm: | |
I blame the pro-gun lobby and the anti-gun lobby. I blame the pro-choice lobby and the anti-abortion lobby. I blame the segregationists and the integrationists. Basically, I blame Americans for being so selfish that we can never come to an agreement on any thing that will benefit all of us.
(Message edited by royce on September 25, 2007) |
Hpgrmln
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Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 192
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:30 pm: | |
Titanclub is spot-on.
I second pretty much that whole post. |
Ccbatson
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Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 4368
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 8:44 pm: | |
Well, if "government" is the problem, what then is the solution?? Smaller government. |
Ray
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Post Number: 1017
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:33 pm: | |
I don't know how much to blame Granhom, but I can't imagine blaming Bush. First, compared to onslaught of the new Democratic Congress, he's the auto industry's best friend. His Dept of Transportion is being lambasted for trying to pressure California no to adopt new mileage rules.
The whole country has done great economically over Bush, until maybe recently.
The problems of Detroit have mounted for generations before Bush, hell since Bush was in kindergarten.
Blame Bush for Iraq but not Detroit. |
Ray
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Username: Ray
Post Number: 1018
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:33 pm: | |
I don't know how much to blame Granhom, but I can't imagine blaming Bush. First, compared to onslaught of the new Democratic Congress, he's the auto industry's best friend. His Dept of Transportion is being lambasted for trying to pressure California no to adopt new mileage rules.
The whole country has done great economically over Bush, until maybe recently.
The problems of Detroit have mounted for generations before Bush, hell since Bush was in kindergarten.
Blame Bush for Iraq but not Detroit. |
East_detroit
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Username: East_detroit
Post Number: 1211
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:44 pm: | |
Yuppies under Reagan driving every modern day idiot to put selfish consumerism before community. |
Goat
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Username: Goat
Post Number: 9841
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:58 pm: | |
CEO's of said corporations. And unions for not playing along and trying to get whatever they can get without much care for the future. |
Livernoisyard
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Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 4072
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:59 pm: | |
quote:Yuppies under Reagan driving every modern day idiot to put selfish consumerism before community. You can't be serious! What are you--some kind of Trotsk? |
Chitaku
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Username: Chitaku
Post Number: 1616
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 11:54 pm: | |
James Couzens for vetoing the subway |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 4410
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 11:58 pm: | |
Businesses are about making as much profit as possible for as long as possible...that is a good thing for everyone. Leave them alone (meaning the government should leave them alone) and things will work out for the best. |
Gannon
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Username: Gannon
Post Number: 10390
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 12:51 am: | |
How, exactly, is that a GOOD thing for everyone?
Can you actually back up those claims Cc?
Sounds like you're farting without any backup solid stool again... |
Michigan
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Username: Michigan
Post Number: 1211
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 7:24 am: | |
cc- I love money as much as the next guy. I believe in markets as much as the next guy. But, your statement is short-sighted and ludicrous. |
Sturge
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Username: Sturge
Post Number: 119
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 9:28 am: | |
Royce - Basically, I blame Americans for being so selfish that we can never come to an agreement on any thing that will benefit all of us.
I agree. The left and right are so far apart and no one is willing to find a middle ground. Thus nothing gets done and we maintain the status quo. |
Danny
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Username: Danny
Post Number: 6586
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 9:36 am: | |
Thanks to the power of free will. We can do anything we want and forget about somebody else's problems. |