  Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 70 Registered: 05-2007 |
http://www.wxyz.com/news/story .aspx?content_id=4d2d270b-8b66 -4a6f-a9bc-5ef4a97d6813 I think this is very ironic---given where we are right now. | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 599 Registered: 11-2006 |
dumb dumb dumb | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 640 Registered: 05-2005 |
Great expose on Grandstand's corrupt ways. She is clearly paying back a top Democratic donor with a sweetheart deal worth $116 million, when the state is perfectly fine paying $1 (Yes, $1!) a year for the next 23 years. This is EXACTLY why NOT ONE new penny of tax increases should be supported. Grandstand is truly corrupt. | ||
Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 477 Registered: 05-2006 |
The report would have a bigger impact if it came from a Michigan resident. Never been a fan of Big Steve, never will be. | ||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 71 Registered: 05-2007 |
lol, thanks scott lewis. | ||
Shark Member Username: Shark Post Number: 287 Registered: 12-2003 |
Wow - that is old news. | ||
Oldoak Member Username: Oldoak Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2007 |
Was there a ground-breaking for the State Police project? I could not tell from the article what phase this project is at -- a done deal with construction begun or just a done deal on paper? | ||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 72 Registered: 05-2007 |
at the end of tonight's story steve wilson said that they signed a lease but that it can be stopped if the legislature decides not to fund it. looks like public pressure is the only trick. http://www.wxyz.com/news/story .aspx?content_id=84aa2e42-5f44 -4458-832e-ffd2116e8caa tonights story | ||
Titancub Member Username: Titancub Post Number: 87 Registered: 08-2006 |
Well that was easy, just found $116M of the $1.5B we need. This balancing the budget stuff is easy when you just open your eyes and see some fat to cut. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4081 Registered: 10-2004 |
Granholm was squirming when interviewed on WJR today and stated that real estate was specifically exempt from her other plans, etc. Another typical bull-shit response from her that Frank Beckmann or others at WJR weren't buying today. | ||
Monahan568 Member Username: Monahan568 Post Number: 231 Registered: 04-2004 |
And in 5 years you will be blowen away!•• | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 407 Registered: 04-2006 |
^You should try and think of a new catch phrase.  But yah, the police deal sucks and I don't support Granholm's position on the matter. My face reflects that of Slumpy's on the left there. | ||
Monahan568 Member Username: Monahan568 Post Number: 234 Registered: 04-2004 |
has granholm done one productive thing since she was reelected | ||
Stinger4me Member Username: Stinger4me Post Number: 60 Registered: 08-2007 |
There are a lot of state employees who are having to do without. How in the world do the big-wig prima donnas of the MSP deserve a new building. The backbone of the department can do without so why can't the leadership. I think if some of the folks opened their eyes they would be in darkness 'cause their heads are so far up into their colons. It seems as though everybody should bite the bullet EXCEPT for the SPECIAL FOLKS in Lansing. Not many folks seem to worry about morale among the workers, taxpayers or electorate. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4087 Registered: 10-2004 |
As soon as Granholm gets the tax and spending increases she wants, there will be another $300 million guaranteed revenue shortfall for the following year that she is conveniently not yet talking about. A state shutdown is necessary because she won't learn otherwise. For her, it'll always be more and bigger government needed. Face it! She's a socialist from Canada. What else is new? (Message edited by LivernoisYard on September 27, 2007) | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 1951 Registered: 01-2004 |
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Dnvn522 Member Username: Dnvn522 Post Number: 286 Registered: 11-2004 |
quote:But the $116 million was for 25 years...so you only found about $4 million. Granted...$4 million is a start. | ||
Mcp001 Member Username: Mcp001 Post Number: 3011 Registered: 11-2003 |
Wash_man, who cares where he does or does not live. This is yet another blatant lie from our guv who has claimed to "cut to the bone". I wonder how those IT overruns for CPS (now in the hundreds of millions) are coming along? | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 108 Registered: 08-2007 |
I grew up in Lansing and this particular piece of property sits on the banks of the Grand River and directly in a flood plain. I've canoed over the top of that piece of property, and I do wonder what the State Police will do when their HQ is under water. Developer Joel Ferguson, is a democratic supporter, former Lansing School teacher, turned Lansing City Councilman, developer and Michigan State trustee. Joel's partner in this deal is Granger construction. Granger is a big GOP contributor. http://trustees.msu.edu/fergus on.html | ||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 73 Registered: 05-2007 |
Joel sure is a colorful charachter. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1981 Registered: 01-2005 |
Sure makes me glad I got my colon out of Michigan. | ||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 925 Registered: 01-2005 |
Granholm is so transparently corrupt. She has no interest in bettering the lives of Michiganians except for MEA members. She has said if the government shuts down, she will make sure that the casinos and state liquor distribution system will not be spared. What an idiot. She would shut down MI's two big moneymakers, low budgets and huge profits, in order to get her way. I hope the repubs hang tough. | ||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 74 Registered: 05-2007 |
http://www.wxyz.com/mostpopula r/story.aspx?content_id=84aa2e 42-5f44-4458-832e-ffd2116e8caa haha, look at the poll. 98% against the new building. | ||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2005 |
2007 Presidential Contribution FERGUSON, JOEL MR. LANSING , MI 48906 FERGUSON DEVELOPMENT/PRESIDENT ROMNEY, MITT (R) President ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC. $2,300 primary 02/26/07 | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4106 Registered: 10-2004 |
Contributors expecting government contracts to be greased their way "donate" to many candidates, regardless of party affiliation. For some donors to contribute to opponents simultaneously running against each other is not uncommon, either. That's simply a routine cost of doing business to them. Any fool knows that. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on September 28, 2007) | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 808 Registered: 12-2006 |
LY, all this disingenuous astonishment reminds me of that scene in Casablanca: "I am shocked - shocked - to find that there is gambling going on in this establishment." | ||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2005 |
The only presidential donation was to Romney. I couldn't find any donations to Granholm. Perhaps it is harder to find state contributions. | ||
Detroitsuperfly Member Username: Detroitsuperfly Post Number: 22 Registered: 07-2005 |
Its always funny to see knee jerk conservatives crapping in their pants without having ANY facts. Anyone notice that the current Michigan State Police facility is 64 years old? Wouldn't you think they'd need a new facility to keep up with fast changing technology? You republiwhiners would squeal if she DIDNT do it. Also keep in mind that Engler and the GOP's insane budget cuts and insane tax cuts of the 90s got us into the deficit we now have. Oh, but blame Granholm and only Granholm. Man, you people are retarded! | ||
Detroitsuperfly Member Username: Detroitsuperfly Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2005 |
Thats right, dont spend any money on anything, cut all govt programs, cut public education to the bone. Force police to use far outdated equipment, when the state is seeing a massive increase in crime. See if that attracts new businesses and young professionals into the state. Man, no wonder republicans can't win elections! | ||
Mudvilleusa Member Username: Mudvilleusa Post Number: 7 Registered: 09-2007 |
Detroitsuperfly.....u say conservatives react w/o facts. It would appear to me that u r a typical left winger who reacts from emotions and not facts....Please show me (FACTUALLY) where budget cuts have ever hurt the economy......when in fact the economy has always prospered. U seem to miss the point on this whole deal which is not so much if a new bldg is needed that could accomodate new hi tech programs etc rather the $45M cost excess for building and no bid contracts. Wake up Lib....... | ||
Detroitsuperfly Member Username: Detroitsuperfly Post Number: 24 Registered: 07-2005 |
1- Engler closed state mental hospitals, putting many patients out on the streets. Thusly destroying property values and foot traffic into businesses in the city of Detroit and especially Ypsilanti. Sorry to slap you cons with facts. Couple that with you cons and your almost religious aversion to actually paying taxes and you have a serious economic mess. You whine that Granholm wants to raise taxes. When its more along the lines of restoring them to a sane and rational level. Englers tax cuts have done the same as Bush's tax cuts: Increased debt to historic proportions. Granholm's proposal only brings taxes to the level at which the vast majority of states states are at. Perhaps conservatives should take an Econ 101 course at their local high school because this mess is YOUR doing. Both at the state and national level. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4111 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote:The state government buildings in Lansing are even older. Let's redo the State Capitol! For a bit, until I noticed the familiar DY forum GUI components, I thought my Internet was tuned to MichiganLiberal.com : quote: (Message edited by LivernoisYard on September 28, 2007) | ||
Detroitsuperfly Member Username: Detroitsuperfly Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2005 |
Sorry, Princess. Staying up to date with crime fighting technology is essential if you want to stay ahead of the criminal. I know you cons think 1944 technology is all they need. But the rest of us live in the real world. 1- No, not really. The democrats are fairly centrist these days. Despite what uneducated republicans think. 2- Pretty much. The GOP is no longer the party of responsibility and conservatism as it was under Milliken, Eisenhower and Goldwater. 3- Yes, America was founded on liberalism. Thanks for admitting it! 4- Yes, true. The GOP is the party of torture, gay sex in public men's rooms, spying on Americans w/o warrants, pedophilia, married men using hookers, corruption, etc... I'm glad we're in agreement! | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 111 Registered: 08-2007 |
The State police hq is 75 years old and underwent a massive upgrade about 8 years ago. They are wired for every thing. The State Police have not, nor did not, request a new building. The original proposal for a State Police HQ was much different than it is today. The original proposal was to house the National Guard and the State Police on a single campus. The thinking was that both groups need to coordinate their actions during times of civil unrest, weather emergancies, terrorist activity or any other huge shit-storm. That idea was shot down sometime around 2001/02. This whole thing is dumb, not because it started with Engler or has progressed under Granholm. It is dumb because it is dumb. Period. Superfly, it has nothing to do with Larry Craig, Monica Lewinsky or Jerry Falwell. Please focus your comments on the thread. Personally, I've written my Representative, Senator and my Governor. I urge all folks that think building a new HQ in a flood plain is dumb to do the same, and write their elected officials. wacckin off on the evil republicans is getting my computer screen messy. | ||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 77 Registered: 05-2007 |
Superfly, as the piece said, the building is state of the art. Didn't you see the new command center? It's not an issue of technology. | ||
Titancub Member Username: Titancub Post Number: 88 Registered: 08-2006 |
Superfly, you are too partisan to know you are wrong on the tax issue, but that would get in the way of absolute belief in the Dems and moveon.org. No one party is absolute in the 'right-ness' of their beliefs and its dangerous to not question your own party - in fact its healthy to occur on both sides. Bush talk cuts actually spurred tax receipts. Deficit run up was due to lack of control on the spending side. Extensive research demonstrates tax cuts spur growth and collections - read about the Laffer curve and where optimal tax levels exist. Bush's cuts suggest we hadn't hit the laffer curve yet since they were net accretive to taxes. But this topic isn't related to the craziness of the new police building, and so we digress. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 881 Registered: 11-2003 |
Joel Ferguson should be slapped for his comments about campaign contributions not playing a role in the decisions that politicians make. I'm amazed that he could get that out with a straight face. Quality work by Steve Wilson. | ||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 249 Registered: 11-2005 |
Interesting Wiki article on the Laffer Curve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L affer_curve | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4127 Registered: 10-2004 |
The Bell Curve--the book--is also a good read. Some disagree. Like Fox says, "You decide." | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6607 Registered: 02-2004 |
The government is shutting down and our politicians keep spending money. Who voted these clowns? I'm sure I'm didn't. | ||
Titancub Member Username: Titancub Post Number: 89 Registered: 08-2006 |
Right on Danny, thats the key point for all of this now. The way this has been handled voters will surely voice their displeasure during the next elections. | ||
Themax Member Username: Themax Post Number: 845 Registered: 09-2005 |
The neocon Repugnant party operates under the Marie Antoinette motto: Let them eat cake. Like Nancy Reagan they want others to pay for everthing. If you're smart you don't pay; you get others to pay. You want a new bridge? Ante up. If you can't afford private schools for your kids, tough luck. Are the State Police still using the old quonsets? | ||
Umcs Member Username: Umcs Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2007 |
The building idea should be scrapped. The MSP don't want it. We have to assume they know what they are doing moreso than any politician. As for the Laffer Curve, the critiques are interesting: A harsher critique of the Laffer Curve can be seen with Martin Gardner's satirical construct, the so-called neo-Laffer Curve. The neo-Laffer curve matches the original curve near the two extremes of 0% and 100%, but rapidly collapses into an incomprehensible snarl of chaos at the middle. Gardner based his curve on actual US economic data collected in a fifty year period by statistician Persi Diaconis. The satire illustrates the major fallacy commonly committed with the Laffer curve, namely the assumption that the middle is a smooth, concave function merely because the two extreme endpoints are well-defined. A realistic tax curve would most certainly not resemble a smooth parabola or even any other simple function, but rather a very complex curve with many peaks, valleys, and multiple local maxima. Inside the middle, a wide range of various economic factors confound any simplistic attempt at this interpolation. As a pedagogical tool, a Laffer curve helps illustrate a specific application of the law of diminishing returns, where the inhibitory cost of taxes may eventually outweigh the increased rate of taxation, and thus led to a counterintuitive lower realization of tax revenue. However the Laffer curve should not be taken as a literal model for a tax revenue curve, especially in debates between relatively moderate amounts of taxation. It is in this context that the Laffer curve is often abused, taken as a serious model for tax revenue when it has little to no predictive value in debates between intermediary rates of taxation. | ||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 78 Registered: 05-2007 |
Guys, this looks like a bipartisan operation...dems and repubs supporrted it. | ||
Mudvilleusa Member Username: Mudvilleusa Post Number: 11 Registered: 09-2007 |
Way2go Titancub.....supafly hasnt been back apparently he is looking for a rebuttal on moveon.org and I am certain he will find some talking points there. |
