  Raggedclaws Member Username: Raggedclaws Post Number: 61 Registered: 08-2006 |
^^"...attack on native Detroiters..." Would that be the Ottawa, Huron, or the French ? Gotta love those Arab-American feminists... | ||
Matt Member Username: Matt Post Number: 1207 Registered: 10-2003 |
Can someone please post a Cliff Notes version of what this big scandal is all about? I fail to see what the problem is and who is having it. | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 3174 Registered: 10-2003 |
See y'all, this is why God invented codespeak ... sounds like these guys need a refresher course ... it avoids all of this messiness ... | ||
Oldestuff Member Username: Oldestuff Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2007 |
for god's sake, note small letter, get over yourselves. All we want is a clean, safe environment to practice freedom of speech. No one is out to behead anyone, or displace anyone How could we, most of them are already displaced. | ||
Detroithabitater Member Username: Detroithabitater Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2006 |
As a resident of balgey street I can attest to the fact that the the alley behind the bagley-trumbull market is a transient super-highway. Nine times out of ten when i come home there is a homeless person in the alley with a brown paper bag-fresh from the market, drinking, sleeping, or unconscious. If the conquistadors can make it so I don't always contend with bottles and broken glass in the alley, or having to be solicited for prostitution when ever I take out my garbage, I support them. The market is a very shady operation I'm sure they weren't trying to offend with their name. It's obvious by their agenda that it's the last thing on their minds. give them a break, they have good intentions. dh | ||
Putnam Member Username: Putnam Post Number: 100 Registered: 05-2005 |
property values and rents are going up. we have almost a 50% occupancy on MI ave.••• | ||
Putnam Member Username: Putnam Post Number: 101 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: You are missing the point. Everything is racist. As shameful and hurtful as that is. Puff. Conquistadors. Soup Kitchens. Asian Village. Ackroyd's. Bert's. Everything. It's all racist. Including you. And your dogs. And your children. And your grandchildren. Judge not. (Message edited by putnam on September 28, 2007) | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 10486 Registered: 12-2003 |
quote: If you are a selfish, easily-offended non-civic minded individual. For those of us out in the real world, engaging all of our neighbors and visitors equally, NOTHING within us is racist. So if there are a few...and I know at least some of them, including that handsome fellow in the mirror...that are not at ALL racist... ...how does that fit with your all-encompassing statement that 'everything' is racist? Do NOT paint me with your broad brush...nor the society within which I live. | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 2774 Registered: 02-2004 |
The original email went far and wide. I never heard a word from the person checked above, but from several other sources. This thing has been passed around the city several times. I don't like local boycotts, I want to know the whole story. I was brought to Slow's by the first people who told me of the "plan", they are residents of the area and huge boosters. They are also friends of the pastor at St. Peters, who runs the soup kitchen. What they, and others like them, want to know is what is meant by TRY BEING NICE FIRST, if this is a direct threat or just stupidity? Where the heck did the second set of quotes come from ? Were some posts deleted? I mean the Putnam quotes. | ||
Putnam Member Username: Putnam Post Number: 102 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: No. Sorry. I'm quoting liberally. The thing is, I understand how the old guard read and were insulted by this email. I don't agree with them, but I understand it. Phillip is a class act. Michigan Ave needs help. | ||
Long_in_the_tooth Member Username: Long_in_the_tooth Post Number: 65 Registered: 01-2007 |
Yeah......... me neither. I don't even separate my laundry | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 4225 Registered: 10-2003 |
Much ado about nothing again... | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 1221 Registered: 04-2007 |
Quote from Putnam- " You people are idiots! I am much smarter and better than any of you. Get out of my way you hegemonic racist/sexist pigs! I'll say what ever I want! The truth is what I say it is! Facts are irrelevant!" Sorry, just quoting liberally. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 920 Registered: 01-2005 |
Have to say that I'm with Putnam. I've read all the posts here and elsewhere and have to agree that: 1. Can't escape our racism. There's getting to be a dictionary of perfectly good words that have a negative racist tinge in some people's minds and they don't hesitate to point out other people's racism - but they don't want to be thought of as over the top sensitive. 2. Maybe St. Peter's has to change a little, now that the neighborhood's changing. That's just life. Things change and what was great before (sample: "conquistedore") is no longer so great. What goes around comes around. | ||
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo Post Number: 876 Registered: 06-2005 |
Quote Oldredfordette: "What they, and others like them, want to know is what is meant by TRY BEING NICE FIRST, if this is a direct threat or just stupidity?" Uhm.. What about a joke? Honestly, do people really think such a "Threat" would come out in an email like this? Sorry, but I think everyone is WAY overanalyzing this, completely! Calm down and get involved with the group if you think they are going in the wrong direction. Then voice your opinion AT THE GROUP MEETING! I agree, this town Really gives me a headache sometimes, too! | ||
Umcs Member Username: Umcs Post Number: 53 Registered: 06-2007 |
Although they certainly used poor judgment in names and language, isn't it more appropriate to look at their underlying goals? 1. Community concerts; 2. Getting rid of an alleged absentee landlord profiting on the local community while not maintaining property and replacing it with a local market; 3. To "stop the free handouts in our neighborhood that facilitate the drugs, crime and general malcontent." Um, sounds like they are being selective in who obtains assistance. Not always a bad idea frankly. 4. "Neighborhood Yard/Garage Sale Day." Why is that a problem? 5. Super-secret agenda which no one knows about. Hmmm, better watch out for super-secret meetings because we don't know what they could be up to... and we have to know everything. Blech, please. Ripping on these people for communicating poorly is misplaced. How about engaging them and trying to find common ground and goals? You know, like we're supposed to as adults? | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 10502 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yay, an adult! | ||
Long_in_the_tooth Member Username: Long_in_the_tooth Post Number: 66 Registered: 01-2007 |
Umcs for mayor!•• | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 2777 Registered: 02-2004 |
The goals were fine. That is not the issue. So everybody should just laugh at the poorly worded threat? | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 1223 Registered: 04-2007 |
Look the road to hell is paved with good intentions. The Conquistadors have great intentions. So did Karl Marx. The problem is sometimes things get out of control. When the rhetoric used at this early stage is already at the point that threats are being made, then the group looks ominous. No one is against their stated goals, so stop the bologna. People do have a problem when a group sets itself up as a higher authority that autonomously determines whether it will "try being nice". People just like a little transparency, that's all. | ||
Umcs Member Username: Umcs Post Number: 54 Registered: 06-2007 |
Oldredfordette, When I first saw the "We'll try being nice first" statement, I saw multiple different iterations that can't convey the proper emotional context through writing. In other words. Try the following as potentially different wordings: 1. Note to self: We'll try being nice first. Stay calm and don't assume they don't care about us. 2. We'll try being nice first. Use milk and honey. If they are obstinate that they don't care about our goals, we'll have to proceed accordingly. 3. We'll try being nice first. (Steve, don't blow your lid because you have a short-fuse.) 4. We'll try being nice first. If we have to, we'll picket them later and throw tomatoes at their doors. 5. We'll try being nice first. I know people got excited at the meeting and thought Bob might get a little intense and shouldn't be on this committee but we promise we'll try being nice to these folks. Frankly, it's 6 words (5 with the contraction). Trying to imply a threat out of it is reactionary at this point. Granted, I'm not associated with this group nor do I know anyone involved but people jumping on them for attempting to do something and saying it in the context of their own organization is well, a little silly. | ||
Detroitrulez Member Username: Detroitrulez Post Number: 432 Registered: 12-2006 |
I'm more disturbed/frightened by Montezumas Revenge (no apostraphe [sic]),and leader Zoe Bonez' defense of "native Detroiters," i.e. "people of color, homeless, and people who are not mercenaries." (interesting definition, that...so even if you are not a person of color and/or homeless, you qualify if you are not a mercenary...check)). I'm not sure gentrification debates have much of a place in a city like Detroit. There's plenty of room, that'sfor sure. Besides, this is a city that whores itself (and its citizenry) out to casinos for 400K a day to balance an imbalanced budget. | ||
Jelk Member Username: Jelk Post Number: 4635 Registered: 10-2003 |
The irony of people making "native Detroiters" argument is how much they sound like my bitter racist great uncle who will tell you (after two beers) how great his old neighborhood in Detroit was "until the n****** moved up from the south and ruined it" for the then-native Detroiters. Meet the old boss, same as the new boss. (Message edited by jelk on September 28, 2007) | ||
J_stone Member Username: J_stone Post Number: 394 Registered: 10-2003 |
Thursday's are the best days to walk to work. | ||
J_stone Member Username: J_stone Post Number: 395 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sunday's are the best days for working in the garage. | ||
6nois Member Username: 6nois Post Number: 517 Registered: 11-2006 |
No things were not worded the best but I think overall this group is a good thing. This type of activism is going to draw me to looking at Corktown for my new place. I agree that Montezumas Revenge is a slightly more concerning group. They seem angry that white people are moving in and want to change things, instead of using that anger to attack the Conquistadors, why don't they use it to work with them to create a solution that reduces the problems of homelessness and improves the safety of the neighborhood. You can't expect every person to be sensitive to every issue, so you have to work with them to build awareness. | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 2778 Registered: 02-2004 |
Well, I didn't get the Montezuma's email, I'm just worried that a friend of mine who runs a community organization is going to get strong-armed. | ||
Detroitrulez Member Username: Detroitrulez Post Number: 433 Registered: 12-2006 |
BOYCOTT MONTEZUMA'S REVENGE! BOYCOTT "NATIVE DETROITERS" INCLUDING (but not limited to) ANY OF TONY DE CADILLAC'S DESCENDANTS! BOYCOTT NON-MERCENARIES! (despite how counter-intuitive and oxymoronic that may seem). | ||
Oldredfordette Member Username: Oldredfordette Post Number: 2779 Registered: 02-2004 |
*sigh* whatever. Here's a chance to make a difference for both sides. Start at St. Peters, end with drinks and dinner at Slows. FUNDRAISING CONCERT for Manna Meal Soup Kitchen Friday, Sept. 28 7:30 PM Featuring: Trina Hamlin (from New York), Rev. Robert Jones (WDET), Celeste Headlee (formerly WDET), and Julie Beutel. Singing songs that have moved people to action over the decades. (anti-war, union, civil rights, etc.) $12 a person St. Peter's church in Corktown. Mich Ave & Trumbull. For more info, click on St. Peter's website below. http://stpeterscorktown.edomio rg/ | ||
Detroitrulez Member Username: Detroitrulez Post Number: 436 Registered: 12-2006 |
ok....so I guess this means the WDET boycott is over. cool. I could go for some brisket. |
