  Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 441 Registered: 02-2007 |
LOL, my post wound up on the wrong thread, it was supposed to be on the Buscemis robbery. I doubt it's a forum glitch. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 3092 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: I don't think defending yourself would qualify as wanton violence. Nobody chooses to be attacked. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2849 Registered: 06-2004 |
I would try to shield them, but I would not be the one killing them. The assailant's responsibility does not transfer. | ||
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav Post Number: 115 Registered: 09-2007 |
Since Detroit's City Fathers are banking on legalized gambling as financial salvation; let's look at last night's shooting this way: The perpetrators made the choice, of their own free will, to try something really stupid - nobody put a gun to their head...until it was too late. Bottom Line: The punk-ass youthful offenders rolled the dice...and lost. God Bless America. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 442 Registered: 02-2007 |
"I could handle being shot much more easily than handling having killed someone who might have never intended to harm me." If someone aims a gun at you, they are intending to harm you. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 3094 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: Thejesus was right, you are weak. Shielding them would accomplish nothing, one bullet and you are out of the way and then its time to get rid of the witnesses (your loved ones). Disgraceful. This demonstrates why people like you should never be in a position to affect public policy. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2850 Registered: 06-2004 |
"If someone aims a gun at you, they are intending to harm you." only if 'harm' = 'scare,' otherwise been there, done that, wasn't harmed ps - It's against many company policies to do anything except co-operate with an armed robber | ||
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav Post Number: 116 Registered: 09-2007 |
When someone points a gun at you - - - it is your ever-loving duty to kill that person. If you don't end that person's life...odds are they will kill you, or someone else in the future. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 401 Registered: 11-2003 |
Two funny links... as you mention Youtube comments... be forewarned, they're approximately PG-13 due to words... http://www.collegehumor.com/vi deo:1771556 http://www.collegehumor.com/vi deo:1776175 | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2851 Registered: 06-2004 |
honestly, PG et al, I think I'd rather be dead than have to live in a world dominated by your types | ||
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav Post Number: 118 Registered: 09-2007 |
Lilpup...nobody wants you to feel depressed and what-not; folks just want to stay alive and protect loved ones...that's all. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 3097 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: A moronic statement. You don't want to live in a world where people advocate defending themselves and their loved ones against killers? If everyone was like you we would have no country and the globe would be in a primitive state of anarchy. Be glad others are willing to risk their lives to protect your right to be a naive fool. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2852 Registered: 06-2004 |
No, I have no problem having a non-facist police department. You, on the other hand, seem to see police and the law as an impediment. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 3100 Registered: 03-2006 |
Unfortunately the police are not there to protect you. They can't be everywhere. They draw a line around your body and make some attempts at finding your killer. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2853 Registered: 06-2004 |
congratulations, PG, the terrorists have won in your world | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 92 Registered: 09-2007 |
Now you're saying you have no trust in your Judical System. Yet, in the other thread, you sided with their handling of the court cases, saying the people in jail do deserve to be in there (when in reality, not everyone in jail desrves to bein jail). | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 3104 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: On the contrary, you are the one advocating not defending ourselves against them. quote: I never said that first of all, but it doesn't matter if the perp is caught after I am already dead. The police are overworked and can't catch everyone. When they do catch someone and the person is convicted he is more than likely guilty. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 95 Registered: 09-2007 |
"I never said that first of all, but it doesn't matter if the perp is caught after I am already dead. The police are overworked and can't catch everyone. When they do catch someone and the person is convicted he is more than likely guilty." They're overworked? It's their job! Police are here to protect and serve. Of course they can't catch everyone. The world isn't perfect. However, it doesn't give you a reason to take the law into your own hands. Besides, if he's guilty, he will likely spend his life in jail. I don't see why you think that's so bad though. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 3109 Registered: 03-2006 |
If I am dead, the knowledge that the taxpayers will support the perp while he is in jail honing his criminal skills is of no consolation. Better that he be taken out with deadly force. Nobody MADE him make the choice to pull a gun on somebody, the hell with him. (Message edited by perfectgentleman on September 29, 2007) | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2238 Registered: 06-2006 |
Unbelievable. Detroitrise appears to think that these criminals had more of a right to rob this guy at gunpoint, possibly with the intent to kill him, due to whatever "might be happening in their lives" than they guy from Troy had a right to be left alone, protect his property and protect his life. There's really not even a debate here. Detroitrise hasn't offer a single valid point to support his argument...You might as well be arguing for the molestation of children... You're in the extreme minority here buddy. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 648 Registered: 05-2005 |
I don't really think that Detroitrise is in the minority. At least not in the city of Detroit. His attitude is why law enforcement does not work in the city. His attitude is why "Criminals Are King" in Detroit. His attitude is why Detroit cops don't give a shit (why should the cops have to fight just to do their job). Detroiters like him would prefer to be beaten, raped, robbed and murdered in record numbers, every year, (400 killed by pieces of shit last year, this year, next year and on and on and on) rather than have effective law enforcement. And hey! That's exactly what he is getting. The only sad part is that the car jacking didn't happen to him. | ||
Vas Member Username: Vas Post Number: 805 Registered: 01-2004 |
Wow. Look at all the hate on this website. Look at all the attacks upon each other. Why don't we settle this with a gun fight? Calm down people. There are no compromises or listening with this tone. Toot your own horn, yell at each other call names. This just in: Next thread will be on race, get your anger ready.... Once again this website's potential for communication is nullified by hotheads. Enjoy the weekend. | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 821 Registered: 08-2005 |
This thread highlights one of the reasons why Detroit is the most violent big city in America, the helpless victim mentality. Only in Detroit would so many people come out AGAINST self-defense. quote: How the FUCK could you know what the intentions are of some piece of shit robber who is pointing a gun at you? Fine, if you want to have faith in the robber that he only wants to "scare" you, that's your choice. The only life you are risking is your own. But that's quite a price you'd be paying if you are wrong. Taking a human life would haunt anyone, including this carjacking victim who was forced to defend himself. But you know what, AT LEAST HE'S ALIVE. I'm sure given the choice, he'd rather live and go home and see his wife and kids again rather than take the chance that he'd end up like that poor woman in Hamtramck who was executed by her carjacker. | ||
English Member Username: English Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2003 |
^^ 100% concur with everything Vas said. SMH @ all these armchair sociologists and vigilantes. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2856 Registered: 06-2004 |
"How the FUCK could you know what the intentions are of some piece of shit robber who is pointing a gun at you?" Exactly your negative view toward humanity is that most kill, therefore it's best to shoot first my positive view toward humanity is that most don't shoot or kill, therefore one shouldn't shoot first (Message edited by lilpup on September 29, 2007) | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 3118 Registered: 03-2006 |
Most humans DON'T kill, but a guy who is pointing a gun at you seems to be indicating that he is one of the exceptions. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2857 Registered: 06-2004 |
^^PG, see Warriorfan's question, posted above^^ | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 98 Registered: 09-2007 |
"This thread highlights one of the reasons why Detroit is the most violent big city in America, the helpless victim mentality. Only in Detroit would so many people come out AGAINST self-defense." That's interesting because were speaking of guns under the self defense umbrella and you say if the citizens of Detroit are against guns they're against Self-Defense (which is not the case). They are ways you can defend yourself without killing anyone. I've grew up to learn that only defenseless punks use guns. What if try to shoot one of those Bald Muscle heads out of self defense but he twists your arm off? Why do you think celebrities hire them instead of carrying around guns? | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2240 Registered: 06-2006 |
^I truly feel sorry for you and anyone whose care you are charged with...you just don't get it | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 3122 Registered: 03-2006 |
Yeah, you could defend yourself without killing someone, but a leg shot only gives him the chance to shoot you in the skull. Better that you don't take the chance. Drop him. |
