  _sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 2102 Registered: 12-2003 |
Just a little what ifs, what if MSU had hired Barry Switzer or completed the outright steal of Tom Osborn from Nebraska. We will never know, but what we do know is Bo and loss of WJR and continued ineptitude has killed a once proud college football program. BTW, even before Bo appeared on the scene the MSU dominance from black players and former military was disappearing as other schools especially down south started accepting and even playing certain groups that they had banished before. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 341 Registered: 12-2006 |
Citylover, What would those facts get in the way of? I never once said that MSU sold as much product as UM. So I really don't understand the relevance. Also, if you are talking about legacy and tradition, sales figures aren't the way you look at things. Britney Spears has probably sold 10x the amount of albums the White Stripes have, but in terms of leaving their artistic, groundbreaking mark on music, I would say the White Stripes will outlast her and influence more musicians. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Spartacus Member Username: Spartacus Post Number: 241 Registered: 07-2005 |
City: What facts? Do you mean your opinion? Most years the disparity isn't that great, and MSU has outsold UM in the recent past (2000- I had a typo in my post when I typed 1990). Your cite is completely worthless for the reasons I previously stated. I'm not sure why this matters, but you seem to care a little more than you let on. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 2103 Registered: 12-2003 |
Real Merchandise: quote: Texas was #1 for 2 years, North Carolina was #1 before that for I believe 5-10 years. (Message edited by _sj_ on September 27, 2007) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Spartacus Member Username: Spartacus Post Number: 242 Registered: 07-2005 |
SJ... you might want to read my 3:15 post. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 2105 Registered: 12-2003 |
Uhh, I was adding to it. Where do you think I got the quote from. (Message edited by _sj_ on September 27, 2007) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Eric_w Member Username: Eric_w Post Number: 346 Registered: 02-2007 |
Just keep drinking the Maize & Blue Kool-aid He was an ( Arrogant ) ASS-what did he ever win at UM as Coach?????????? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 2655 Registered: 07-2004 |
Brilliant post eric w. Insightful and obvious that you really know your shit_ dumbass | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Eric_w Member Username: Eric_w Post Number: 350 Registered: 02-2007 |
City-go ahead take another swig be my guest. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 921 Registered: 01-2005 |
Even though I have kids who graduated from U of M undergrad and Law school, and from MSU undergrad and Med school, I think they both have lousy football teams for the reasons posted above by many of you. When I practiced law I was my firm's recruiting partner for 2 years and I never hired one U of M grad for the reason that I thought their grads were arrogant and too academic... they all had their GPA's out to 5 decimal places, as if that were the sole criteria for getting hired. Most acted as if they were doing you a favor by interviewing w/ you. (Another person on this forum took over as hiring partner from me and had the same experience.) U of M's Grad School of Business just got downgraded several notches and is no longer in the top 5; one of the reasons --- guess what ---arrogant students. This is little off-thread but their football fans (the many I know) are the same way and there are a lot of people out here happy as hell with this year's season so far. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess Post Number: 475 Registered: 08-2006 |
quote: 13 Big Ten championships and 194 games in 21 seasons, including an 18-4 record against MSU. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kenp Member Username: Kenp Post Number: 814 Registered: 03-2006 |
18-4, Damn Spartans give the man some credit. 3rd world, you sound like a guy who didnt quite make the cut. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 781 Registered: 01-2006 |
I think it's funny that the Michigan fans here quote stats against MSU as a way to claim their far superior tradition, when just a few posts above they said MSU has been pathetic for 40 years. Well congrats, you guys beat up on a pathetic opponent. Each side is going to quote this or that to make their point. This was a stupid thread from the beginning, considering the title has nothing to do with the quote from the book. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kenp Member Username: Kenp Post Number: 815 Registered: 03-2006 |
I agree with Detroitstar, lets quit and agree, MSU has been pathetic for 40 years. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 4491 Registered: 11-2006 |
You guys are joking right?? Nobody (other than actual players) chooses schools based on a coach, or football team. If they do, whatever choice they make logically is the wrong/stupid choice. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 923 Registered: 01-2005 |
Kenp: At the time I didn't have the money to go to either school, and I'm very glad. I made the cut at WSU, where it counted. (Must have done something right along the way.) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2824 Registered: 06-2004 |
quote: Nope, the coach that brought the winged helmet to Michigan was the guy who originally instituted them at Princeton ~ winged helmets Personally, I find U-Mich sports fans who never went to school there to be the most obnoxious. While many students watch the games, a lot couldn't care less about sports. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Angry_dad Member Username: Angry_dad Post Number: 165 Registered: 02-2006 |
Why not the truth. MSU was kicking the crap out of teams everywhere because blacks couldn't play anyplace else on a major team. MSU was growing and used the sport of football to gain reputation. Yes Bear Byrant sent a lot of talent north and MSU prospered. MSU will always hate u o m because the "traditional" m did all they could to keep MSU out of the big ten. Why? Guess. All Bo did was see what happened in 1965 & 66. MSU made huge headlines. Their coaching staff knew then what was posible when you had a good headline. So what Bo did was control what was writen in local media. You wrote something that showed michigan in a bad way, you got booted from the press box. Take as you wish but if you want to talk "tradition" about michigan, don't forget what they did that was "questionable". But of course they dodn't want you to remember that. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2825 Registered: 06-2004 |
The tradition of Michigan Football: 1879 - 2006 127 seasons 11 National Championships 42 Conference Championships Big Ten: 100 years 637 games 455-164-18 winning % .728 Bowl Games: 38 games 18-20-0 winning % .473 All Home Games: 123 years 721 games 572-128-21 winning % .808 Michigan Stadium: 80 years 489 games 368-106-15 winning % .768 Overall: 127 years 1,178 games 860-282-36 winning % .745 <== not too shabby! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 1055 Registered: 10-2003 |
Those days are over | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2826 Registered: 06-2004 |
remind me to bump this thread in a couple of months | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 75 Registered: 05-2007 |
I'd love to see Michigan's stats from the past 5 seasons. A far different story! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2827 Registered: 06-2004 |
uh, no, not really:
total 47-16 overall (.746) and 32-8 conference (.800) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 76 Registered: 05-2007 |
bowl? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2828 Registered: 06-2004 |
every year, including 3 Roses and a win over Florida  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2005 |
I think I'm beginning to understand why employers lampooned U of M business grads. It isn't good enough to attend the best school in the state. A few U of M fans (I'm not sure they all actually attended)feel compelled to piss on the number 2 school in the state. Is it a reaction from being pissed on by the Harvard and Yale grads? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2829 Registered: 06-2004 |
The no. 2 school in the state isn't above pissing back, nor is that school down south afraid (actually, they're the worst). It seems to just be another incorporation of the midwestern character complex (though Boston and NY do it a lot, too). | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3712 Registered: 02-2005 |
Well played, Lilpup. Thanks for the excerpt of a book I need to read, Goblue. The difference between UM and MSU? Well it's pretty much the same in academics and football. Attitude, expectations, class, excellence, and about 45 spots in the national rankings. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3713 Registered: 02-2005 |
Gmich99 says "is it a reaction from being pissed on by the Harvard and Yale grads?" I don't know about any pissing they might do on us, but Michigan people have nothing but respect for our superiors. We know that Northwestern is the best Big Ten school, and that nobody can touch Princeton, Yale or Harvard. When your in the top 20 or 30 schools it's kind of like being in a private club where everyone gets along. Everyone else is left out, and seems rather inclined to bite at the ankles of the top tier. It explains why I can't have a conflict-free conversation with a Spartan. It is by no desire of mine, as I don't piss on them until they initiate the contest. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kellyroad Member Username: Kellyroad Post Number: 121 Registered: 04-2007 |
Go Blue, See what you started. Your kidding with ES61 has produced some interesting commentary. LOL. |
