Post Number: 67
|Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 8:08 am: || |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20061231/S PORTS08/612310348/1004/SPORTS
Nice to read his thoughts, but not much new to readers of this forum though.
Terry writes about JLA:
"I am conceding that it should be built behind the Fox Theatre because it is good to create a stadium and entertainment district to go with Ford Field and Comerica Park."
That has been my view - namely that Detroit could have the best 'stadium and entertainment district' in the country from Ford Field to MGM Grand Hotel-Casino.
No other city could have so much in such a small area.
(Message edited by emu_steve on December 31, 2006)
Post Number: 382
|Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 11:08 am: || |
sports city baby
Post Number: 16
|Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 12:42 pm: || |
Doesn't Cleveland have the Jake, the Q, and Cleveland Browns stadium all next to each other?
Post Number: 547
|Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 12:46 pm: || |
Browns stadium is on the lakefront, The Jake and the Q are next to each other on the south side of downtown, and the convention center is in the middle of downtown across the square from Key Tower.
Post Number: 4173
|Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 9:59 pm: || |
I wonder what the new place will be called.
When you think about it, the Joe Louis Arena is one of the few in the NHL that hasn't sold off the rights to corporate America to name it. Outside of the Joe, only Madison Square Garden, Mellon Arena, and the Nassau Coliseum are the only ones that haven't been compromised.
Post Number: 901
|Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 10:49 pm: || |
Post Number: 14
|Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 10:59 pm: || |
like Karmanos will pay for Ilitch's arena. what are they going to do, move the Hurricanes up here to play in it?
Post Number: 125
|Posted on Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 11:35 pm: || |
If it has to be sponsored, i would prefer it to have the Cadillac name. It's relevant both because of the founder of the city and because of GM, plus it sounds classy, and they get money for selling the rights, helping to cover the cost of a new arena.
Although in general I hate sponsored names of stadiums, sometimes it can be done right - Ford Field being one of them, since not only is it relevant to Detroit, but it's the name of the owner, plus they get the benefits of sponsorship. everyone wins. so i won't condemn selling naming rights entirely.
Post Number: 68
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 7:44 am: || |
Little Caesars Arena ;-)
Either that or Dominos Arena (I can't believe I said that. my bad).
One of the things we haven't discussed (to my knowledge) is how much would this arena cost? What would the City of Detroit's contribution (if anything) be?
If Ilitch is going to essentially fund the arena and build it on land he owns, then he should name it "Little Caesars Arena".
If the City of Detroit wants to kick in a big chunk of change, etc. then the name could be something particular to Detroit.
Crazy thought. How about Olympia? (but there is no commercial benefit to that name unless Ilitch can brand his "Olympia Development"- nostalgia yes, but commercially not wise.
Post Number: 69
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 7:52 am: || |
For those who wonder if the arena could be built elsewhere (other then behind the Fox), does the City of Detroit have a parcel of land say 15+ acres (rough guess) that it could essentially lease to Ilitch to build an arena and which makes sense to both Ilitch and the city?
Ilitch would then get stuck developing all that land behind the Fox.
I've assumed the purpose of that land ultimately was a new hockey arena and if not, Ilitch would need to decide what to do with it.
Post Number: 126
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 10:33 am: || |
i doubt it would be little caesars arena. he didn't do it with comerica, for one thing, so i see no reason to expect he would do it now. but most importantly, why would he just take the money out of one pocket to put it in the other? better to get someone else to give him a few million for it than to pay for it all himself.
Post Number: 70
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 10:45 am: || |
Whom else might be interested in naming rights?
If GMAC wasn't being sold or whatever, they would have been a good candidate.
I believe they have done sports commercial sponsorship (e.g., GMAC Bowl).
GMAC Arena has a nice sound.
Post Number: 127
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 11:35 am: || |
i think gmac arena sounds a little too corporate for me. if gm was to get the sponsorship, i would hope they would stick with one of their automotive brands.
the list of potential sponsors could be endless. any of the automakers could be interested, despite their financial difficulties (although chrysler arena is a little too close to crisler arena). how many other companies are based in metro detroit? almost any of them that have any kind of consumer products would be possibilities - auto suppliers not so much though, because they have little if any need to advertise their name to the general public.
non-detroit companies could buy the rights too, although personally, i would hope it would stay local.
maybe hungry howies?
Post Number: 4174
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 1:31 pm: || |
Oh how I would love it if the new arena were named the Mr. FoFo's Arena or the Dot & Etta's Shrimp Shack Arena just for one day.
Post Number: 11065
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 1:44 pm: || |
Better Made Arena or Faygo Fieldhouse sound good to me.
Post Number: 2254
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 1:48 pm: || |
You're all wrong. We should call it the Bouzouki Arena.
Just think of the marketing possibilities; of what could be done with the two goals.
Post Number: 36
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 7:57 pm: || |
Selling naming rights for stadiums and arenas is just tacky and cheap. The only exceptions being when the owner of the team does it (Ford Field or Wrigley Field for example). If I were a wealthy man I'd love to buy naming rights for all these stadiums and christen them with names like "Cheap Whore Arena", "You Paid Good Money To Sit In This Giant Advertisement Bowl" or "You'll Never Escape Our Corporation's Media Stranglehold Field" or perhaps "The Place You Go To See The Sporting Team Hailing From Your Metropolitan Area Buy More Pepsi Coleseum".
Post Number: 317
|Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 - 11:24 pm: || |
Supersport, I think either of those names would be awesome.
Post Number: 4175
|Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 12:34 am: || |
When it seriously comes to naming of the arenas (even though my tongue-in-cheek idea of Mr. FoFo's still sounds good to me), i think it's purely business at that point. Whoever ponies up the biggest wad of cash gets to name it. All of that just goes to help defray the cost of the place. I wish it could be as simple as naming it after a local hero or something historical again; but alas in this day of big money stadiums, I think the rights to an arena are up for grabs.
Post Number: 128
|Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 12:56 am: || |
Sometimes, although not often, it can work that way and still be sponsored. the naming rights of the former ima sports arena in flint was sold to Perani's Hockey World, and is now known as Perani Arena. Bob Perani was a hockey player for the flint generals, one of only 5 to have his number retired, and Perani's Hockey World is a flint-based retailer. So we ended up with an arena named after a locally-famous hockey player, but still gets money from a local sponsor.
I will admit, for a time it was called the very long-winded 'Perani's Hockey World Arena and Event Center'. of course, no one called it that, and is still called the ima as often as not.
In any case, the fact is that the naming rights will be sold, and it will have some huge corporation's name on it. The best i think we can hope for is that it is something local and preferably relevant to detroit in some way.
Post Number: 1013
|Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 1:16 am: || |
Big Boy Arena
Post Number: 4
|Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 3:03 pm: || |
I think it should be named after a prominent Detroiter, just like Joe Lewis Area was.
Coleman A. Young Garden
Steve Yserman Arena
Kwame Kilpatrick Arena
Emanuel Steward Arena
Matt Millen Garden
Iggy Pop Place
Rosa Parks Arena (wouldn't it be kinda cool if some company bought the rights to name the arena, and decided to name it after someone like Rosa Parks?)
Or geographic location-
Harmonie Park Gardens
Grand Circus Gardens
The Motown (or Motor City) Center (or Centre)
Post Number: 675
|Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 4:43 pm: || |
I suspect General Motors Arena/Center/Place/Gardens is out as Vancouver's arena is sponsored by GM (GM Place).
Cadillac Center would be a great name.
Post Number: 403
|Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 5:20 pm: || |
"Cadillac Center would be a great name."
Just imagine the number of people that would get off the Cadillac Center people mover station expecting to be at the rink and end up walking 1/2 mile. lol!
Post Number: 4142
|Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 5:23 pm: || |
Are you all really that small-minded that you are speculating on the potential naming rights buyer for a hockey arena that doesn't exist and construction plans have not yet been announced?
Vandelay Latex Arena.
Post Number: 163
|Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 3:10 pm: || |
Did anyone notice that the Orlando Arena has been renamed to Amway Arena:
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/ The_arena_in_Orlando_To_Become -198984-800.html
Post Number: 188
|Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 4:12 pm: || |
What type of presence does GM have in Vancouver, anyway?
Post Number: 678
|Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 5:34 pm: || |
I would suspect little to none. Sponsoring the city's main arena may provide some presence, however.
In theory, any company that really wanted the exposure could pay to get its name on any new Detroit building.
(an aside: what about Northwest Airlines Arena?)
Post Number: 179
|Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 3:42 am: || |
Just a thought...
Post Number: 170
|Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 8:58 am: || |
I'm sorry...but whatever they name it, I will forever see the place as:
LMAO!!! Nice one Christos!
Post Number: 205
|Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 1:47 pm: || |
What relevance does Rosa Parks have to hockey? The bus terminal is relevant and enough……….sorry Christos,the other names are horrible, especially anything named after that scumbag Colman A. Young. I think city hall will be jinxed with inadequacy and incompetence as long as it is named after that clown.
Post Number: 2014
|Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 2:36 pm: || |
Smogboy--Mellon Arena, formerly known as the Pittsburgh Civic Center, is actually named after Mellon Bank.
Post Number: 3518
|Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 3:51 pm: || |
T Kelly why is Coleman a scumbag exactly?
Post Number: 240
|Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 11:28 pm: || |
Why isn't he?
Post Number: 9
|Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 9:58 am: || |
Thanks Dnvn522! I've been posting on this site for about 6 years (though i did take a recent 2 year hiatus) and jjaba's insights on the city are incredible. We, at detroityes should make it a personal goal to name SOMETHING after him- or at least only refer to the new Red Wings home as "The Jjabaplex"
Post Number: 10
|Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:02 am: || |
Tkelly1986, what did Joe Lewis have to do with hockey?
I was half-joking about those names. I do like the "Hockeytown" idea though. If they must do a corporate name, I think it would be cool if they at least add that to the name. Like "Conglomicorp Arena at Hockeytown Gardens" or "Conglomicorp Arena in Hockeytown," or something like that.
Post Number: 1
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 9:14 am: || |
How about "The Little Caesars Pizza-rena"?
Post Number: 32
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 10:48 am: || |
Why not the Olympia Entertainment Center?
Post Number: 16
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 10:53 am: || |
That was the rumor for some time- that Ilitch was going to build a new "Olympia Area" on Grand Blvd. behind the Fox. For a while rumor had it that he wanted to level the GAR building in the process, though now it looks that Ilitch came to his senses and wants to preserve that building.
Post Number: 83
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:34 am: || |
I've only been on this forum two months, but I did find a "Hall Of Fame" post (see HOF on the menu bar at top) on Ilitch and a possible new arena.
Think it is dated 8/11/06.
It has a LOT of detail about Fox, GAR, etc.
I go back to that thread for reference and details about what might happen with a new arena.
(Message edited by emu_steve on January 16, 2007)
Post Number: 431
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 12:16 pm: || |
See, if they were to take my idea and turn the massive Packard Plant into the largest urban renewal project in US History that would include over 1 million square feet of office/retail/entertainment all centered around the New Olympia it truly would be a "hockeytown".
Post Number: 2061
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 12:32 pm: || |
Outside of the Joe, only Madison Square Garden, Mellon Arena, and the Nassau Coliseum are the only ones that haven't been compromised.
You might want to check on why they call it the Mellon Arena...
Post Number: 108
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 1:17 pm: || |
Hey, Why didn't Terry Foster say anything about the Pistons? Bring the Pistons back home!
Post Number: 246
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 1:22 pm: || |
Amen. All 4 in one spot would be nice!
Post Number: 433
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 1:35 pm: || |
Davidson is making a killing up at The Palace. It's one of the oldest buildings in the league, but still one of the nicest. There is no way the pistons come downtown for at least 25 years or so.
Post Number: 115
|Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 3:18 pm: || |
Lots of negativity here about naming rights--but that's the way of the world. No matter who pays for the bricks and mortar, it's a way to defray costs--and businesses are generally fairly willing to poney up the bucks to fly their flag. When the Corel name came off the arena in Ottawa, there was actually more than one company bidding to replace it.
As for precendence--Olympia Entertainment Center could work--Gaylord Entertainment named it's arena in Nashville after itself. Not sure if that was by choice or just a fluke of no one else buying the rights. My guess is that the name would be sold off outside of Ilitch Holdings as was done with Comerica Park.
And please tell me the person that included Coleman Young's name in the list of potentials was being sarcastic.