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7milekid
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Post Number: 153
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 6:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Who owns this building. I heard talk a few years ago about it becoming a data farm or something, what happened to that idea. It seems like with such a huge and solidly built structure that someone would want to do something with it.
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Dabirch
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 6:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

It seems like with such...solidly built structure that someone would want to do something with it.




Haven't been inside lately, have you?
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Burnsie
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 6:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The actual skeleton of the building seems pretty solid, but there isn't the demand for all that space at the price it would take to gut and redo.
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7milekid
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 6:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was in there about 5 months ago, but they recently sealed it up. Yea it obviosly needs work but im sure fixing it up a bit would be much cheaper than building a new building of its strengtth and size.
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Mikeg
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 8:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any "solidly built structure" with multiple stories is an obsolete, white elephant for modern manufacturing purposes. In order to compete with the lowest-cost producers, a manufacturer must minimize their handling of delivered and in-process materials, which is impossible to do with a small-footprint, multi-story building like the former FB Plant #21. In 1979-80 I worked there as a mfg. engineer and its shortcomings were evident even way back then.
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Traxus
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 9:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The floors are a wreck in there due to water damage, these are some photos from about a week ago:

Fischer 21 Tour



(Message edited by Traxus on January 12, 2007)

(Message edited by Traxus on January 12, 2007)
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Toybreaker
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Post Number: 44
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 9:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Photos of Fisher Body 21 from one year ago:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/t oybreaker/sets/1524483/
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Burnsie
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 9:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mikeg-- I know that manufacturing use wouldn't happen. Any (obviously highly theoretical) use would likely be residential.
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Gravitymachine
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 10:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

when i win the lottery, that will be my residence :-)
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Mikeg
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Post Number: 451
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 10:43 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This building was used to make finished limousine bodies and low-volume pilot production runs of new passenger car bodies. This was all back in the days when bodies were still mounted onto separate frames. The building's process layout became obsolete when all new passenger vehicle designs went to "body frame integral" in the early 1980's.

The processes employed in this building for more than 50 years included resistance and mig welding, lead joint soldering/grinding as well as painting.

Judging from the fact that many of the floor conveyors are still in place, it looks like there has not been been any professional or methodical salvaging/remediation work performed by the latest owner. I think the remediation costs for just getting the lead dust out would make a residential re-use very unlikely. I know I would never want to set foot in that building in its current condition, much less ever live there.

It needs to be torn down and the sooner, the better.
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Cman710
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 7:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mikeg, it sounds like Fisher Body 21 probably has a lot of bad contamination in order for it to be used for any purpose. Would such a factory have had much asbestos inside? If so, that would be another environmental hazard.
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Mikeg
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 8:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No more asbestos than any other building built in the first half of the 20th century that utilized steam heating. Those steam pipes were insulated with asbestos, which poses no health hazard to inhabitants unless the insulation's outer covering is broken.

The soldering and grinding operations were performed in specially-ventilated booths, so those contaminated areas would have been localized.

However, since the building has been open to the elements and scrappers, I would consider the entire building to be environmentally unsafe unless it is proven otherwise.
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Wolverine
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 9:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember I got sick after exploring that building. Wonderful place.

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