Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 27 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 4:00 pm: | |
The metaldoctor wants to thank Detroit yes for voicing there opinions, comments and helpful hints. My only purpose is the preservation , restoration and recreation of ornamental metal works including there craftmenship. my plea and motto while crafting metal for 33 years Save The Great Lost Art Of Architectural Ornamental Metalwork who will get involved Carl Neibock This is where I learn my trade. http://translate.google.com/tr anslate?sourceid=navclient&hl= en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ejohann esburg%2ede%2findex%2ephp%3fsi d%3d1018%26ses%3d0924feed2b18c 5e0f56d5f8d22052cbc go to ausbildung then metall And this is how I learn my trade. I think it would be a perfect alternative for our detroit youth. But I know it is a long shot. to hear more about meltaldoctor story goto: http://www.fineliving.com/fine /modern_masters/episode/0,2760 ,FINE_27936_46641,00.html (Message edited by metaldoctor on January 17, 2007) |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 8166 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 4:01 pm: | |
Metal Doctor - Have you contacted DPS or Youthville or community rec centers about hosting classes? |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 28 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 7:29 pm: | |
yes, I have but I think I need more support structuring event like these. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 3457 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 1:02 am: | |
Metaldoctor, your ideas are reminiscent of what they did in NYC with the Cathedral of St. John the Divine on Morningside Heights on the upper west side. It is still incomplete, and when finished will be among the 4 largest churches in the world. (About 3 times the size of NYC St. Patricks) They are teaching the stone mason building trade to young folks in Haarlem. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 32 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 5:23 pm: | |
Thank you Gistok. There is talent everywhere if only we could do what they did in New York we can is created the next important craftsmen of this age. I only wish and important topics, like our youth and the heritage of important craftsmen like Samuel Yellin and john Massey Rhind can be linked together. There is so much to do and so much to learn. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 37 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 11:25 pm: | |
I thought this was the beginning, of a era in detroit for architectural metal
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Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 865 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 12:48 am: | |
Fox Theatre! Old school! |
Beavis1981 Member Username: Beavis1981
Post Number: 134 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 12:53 am: | |
Are you with a company thats is actively involved in current restoration? If so do you offer apprenticeships? |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 40 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 3:48 pm: | |
There were typical problems, missing ornaments and corrosion everywhere. All ornaments were re-fabricated, and duplicated for the new addition.
Submittal of samples with options
In regards to the apprenticeship program I’m currently talking Wayne County Community College to establish a most effective program I’m also willing to speak with anyone who may be able to effectively contribute. cnielbock@sbcglobal.net |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 4632 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 5:08 pm: | |
A marvelous endeavor. I know the Art of ornamental plastering received a huge boost in Detroit with the restoration of the FOX and the OPERA HOUSE, particularly the OPERA HOUSE. Some of the Plaster Artisans started teaching some students the Art, as well as short classes open to the public. I suggest you may wish to contact Karen DiChiera at MOT. She's a great believer in all of the Arts and oversees the Educational end of MOT. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 4:51 pm: | |
To all my years in Detroit I have tried to spread the knowledge on a hands on and grass root level .
The opposite of scrapper by definition. Anyone have picts of Oscar Grace performing plaster work restoration inside the fox theater. I know there are one or two on display there. please copy and paste into your adress bar: http://detroit1701.org/MLKBust .htm (Message edited by metaldoctor on January 28, 2007) |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 1435 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 5:09 pm: | |
Great pics, Doc. Here's that link without the space: http://detroit1701.org/MLKBust .htm . |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 47 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 6:20 pm: | |
There are programs regarding this subject around the country, why not Detroit?....Our great city will only prosper if we don’t forget the past and that includes the craftsman who built her. http://www.buildingartscollege .us/ |
Me2007 Member Username: Me2007
Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 5:51 pm: | |
We all learn from the past, this is how we grow. if Detroit is going to grow 9 particularly in this area we must create a place for our youth to learn these disciplines |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 59 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 6:46 pm: | |
That is true the past is important if only to show us what we can do and where we can go. as a city we have to get together on this. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 61 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 9:20 pm: | |
Metaldoctor surveyed missing lids and exposed wiring in 2002.
The cause of failure is galvanic reaction by using dissimilar metal in the original fabrication Land post assembly cast iron Lock claps copper Locks brass assembly
Also like to offer a solution 1. Introduce surface mount hinges out of neutral metal. 2. Using gravity to automatically hold the lid in closed position 3. Modify the lock accordingly The protective caps are flimsy and fastened by a regular corroding steel screw one by one they will disappear exposing the main anchor screws already starting the corrosion process by attacking the poorly protected cut marks on the anchors.
how long will they last.
This is how the street lights on one of the main streets of New York looks.
We have so few of the light structures that represent this level of craftsmanship they are usually the only street light left that is not made of wood or processed steel.
These can be restored to there former glory.
Only a suggestion for restoration 1. Remove all furan object strip all paint and primers 2. Disassemble all parts of the pole. 3. Craft new molds from the original parts 4. Craft new matching patterns to receive modern requirements instead using the old metal strap!!!( the duck tape of Detroit public lighting) 5. Cast new parts in the original metal. 6. Coating and finishing to national standards 7. Proper assemble by the original method got any question metaldoctor eager to answer. |
Me2007 Member Username: Me2007
Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 9:25 pm: | |
Metal doctor is truly kicking the knowledge! |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 63 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 9:35 pm: | |
Thank you me2007. As I've said before my only purpose is the preservation , restoration of ornamental metal works and its craft and craftmen. The next generation must benefit form the one before. |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 1108 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 - 10:05 pm: | |
Color me envious. I have no artistic talent whatsoever, and admire so much those who do. Fortunately, I do take pleasure in that which is pleasing to the eye. |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 4706 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 5:33 pm: | |
Many of the old posts were sold to Pittsburgh for a buck apiece at the "World's Largest Garage Sale" in Cobo. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 68 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 9:35 pm: | |
Where has all the good ornamental metal gone? www.nyc-architecture.com/ARCH/ Notes-ARTDECO.htm |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 72 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 10:12 pm: | |
This is 300 year old street lights from germany still around today this shows metal craftsmanship at its best. we too can do things like this. New York’s Conservation Foundation seems to have the right idea. http://www.nycf.org/exercises.html |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 75 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:43 pm: | |
Here is our youth willing to learn from our local master craftsmen.
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Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 97 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 1:57 pm: | |
In the mid to late 80’s I restored a house that was given to me by my father, it was also my first restoration project in the United States. It was to become my first studio and home in Detroit.
To This.............
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Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 124 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 8:05 pm: | |
Metaldoctor, Is that you standing next to Ed Chesney? I am good friends with his sons. He's a great guy. |
Metaldoctor Member Username: Metaldoctor
Post Number: 99 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 1:59 pm: | |
You are in the best of company. I know Ed's sons well and admire them for their skills and talent, but I love Ed. And I am still working with him. He also has helped me with his Know-how to restore this house. As a WWII Veteran he stood on the mountain of Hiroshima when they raised the flag. After the war he built his own house with his own hands. He studied to become the Michael Angelo of Detroit. In his humble ways he helped me to become the craftsman I am today. |
Ordinary Member Username: Ordinary
Post Number: 126 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 2:03 pm: | |
I still call him Mr. Chesney; and I'm 48 years old! |