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Digitaldom
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Post Number: 562
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Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 11:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Could it happen works VERY well in Chicago..Detroit could get federal funding for such as system as well!

http://www.epic.org/privacy/su rveillance/spotlight/0505/

It has worked wonders in Chicago and has reduced the crime rate, if people know they are being watched, AND THE POLICE are watching those cameras! WOW it has been extremely affective.. By the way.. they have big K-Mart special looking lights on top of them. You can't miss them, because they are intended to tell people you are being watched.. DETROIT NEEDS THIS NOW! Make better use of police forces! And allow them to capture and track people quicker!

http://www.wired.com/wired/arc hive/13.05/crime.html

This is a great article above that explain WHY the concept works.. AND it WILL work in Detroit.. Target those areas with high crime put cameras there! JUST see what happens.. AMAZING acticle and THIS WILL work in Detroit.. Crooks are sometimes and for the most part dumb.. read the link.. Good stuff.. AND WE NEED THIS IN DETROIT NOW!
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Cman710
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Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 11:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cameras in certain spots, if combined with specialized crime fighting teams and techniques, could possibly be highly effective in certain areas. As the first article indicates however, a system of cameras should not detract from the importance of putting more officers on foot and improving lighting.
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Digitaldom
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 12:01 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.securityinfowatch.c om/online/The-Latest/Chicago-t o-Increase-Presence-of-Surveil lance-Cameras-on-Streets/9578S IW306

Exactly... One thing I noticed in Chicago was there was NO street left UNLIT! This is a huge plus...
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Focusonthed
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 12:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Old articles. The new gen of cameras are already up and continue to go up.

They no longer are gigantic, and most no longer have the flashing blue light.
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Chitaku
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 2:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Big Brother
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Smogboy
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 2:42 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Big Brother at this level is nothing compared to the illegal spying that the White House has already been doing with the wiretaps, credit checks and eavesdropping- all in the name of keeping us free from terrorists.
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Focusonthed
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 2:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm all for it. If you're on public ways, you're on public ways. I understand the slippery slope argument, but I think I give us as a society enough credit to tell when the line's been crossed...and IMO, this isn't it.
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Gannon
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 3:14 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Really not much different than a real set of policeperson's eyes...save for the whole digital content storage for eternity and all.

In that regard, it is godlike...and that sort of power never sits well in mere human hands.
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Smogboy
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 4:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't have issues of this stuff being out in the public. If one wants to venture out into public and is captured by a camera doing something nefarious, then I agree with what Gannon says- it's an extension of the officers' eyes. This is fine because we PERCEIVE ourselves to be out in public. On the flipside, when we perceive ourselves to be in private (our homes) and are spied upon for no apparent reason- that's when the Bill of Rights has to come in and protect the citizens.
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Jjw
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 5:37 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These lights are all over Baltimore City. When they are blinking at night, they are kind of obnoxious but if they stay blue and don't blink, they are actually visually appealing. I am not worried about "Big Brother" watching the intersections of the city.
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56packman
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 6:39 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroit would have to have someone watching those cameras who gives a shit, who is in instant radio communication with a patrol car or beat cop (do they even have those anymore?)who gives a shit and will take action. otherwise it's just more hardware to spend money on. Money that could pay another officer for a year.
Oddly enough, the evolution of the personal, compact video device has had more of a liberating effect than George Orwell could have predicted. Video like the Rodney King beating, Michael Richard's racist rant and countless others are available because of the widespread private ownership of camcorders and videophones-- especially today, with the internet, a place to show the world what you just saw. 1984 came and went, the same gub-ment that can't buy a Stanley claw hammer ($23 at your local Home depot) for less than $550, and can't get a manilla envelope marked "photos, do not bend" from one side of town to another without mangling it dosen't have the ability to monitor and control us all with video devices.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:43 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ya'll know Detroit already has some cameras, right?
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Ndavies
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:43 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And a little closer to home. Here's an article on Flat Rocks initiative.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/M ETRO01/701110369/1006
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Charlottepaul
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 1:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There are cameras all over downtown Detroit. There def. ins't a need for more there.
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Jams
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 6:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Interestingly enough Slate had a piece last week on the effect camera phones have on our society.

quote:

The Camera Phone
The gadget that perverts, vigilantes, and celebrity stalkers can all agree on.
By Michael Agger



http://www.slate.com/id/215773 6/
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Ndavies
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 7:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There was also an article last week that stated New York's 911 system was being modified to accept camera phone Video and stills.
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Jimaz
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 7:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I still think if they're going to mount security cameras everywhere anyway, they should make all the imagery publically accessible on the web.

Not only could civilians then voluntarily help monitor for crime but the imagery could otherwise serve as a cyber-tourism promotion for the city.
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Thecarl
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

are the cameras bulletproof? some folks like to challenge each other by shooting out street lights. it seems like the blue lights make the game more exciting.

i suppose it would work in a downtown area - as opposed to the neighborhoods - but it seems like there is a new fearlessness in the cbd lately.
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Digitaldom
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Those cameras are only in Hart Plaza because of the shooting during the fireworks. Yeah that was my intention NOT just the downtown.. but neighborhoods are where they are really needed.. Hell chicago is tying in private cameras as well.. Read the article there is alot more to it including a database that has all the information about alot of these crooks..
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Thecarl
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Post Number: 995
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Those cameras are only in Hart Plaza because of the shooting during the fireworks.



eyewitnesses and victims said dpd collared the wrong person...they incarcerated him anyway. it was important for dpd to make an arrest while superbowl officials were in town. eventually, a "surprised" prosecutor sprung the accused based upon "misinformation" provided by dpd - with the dpd chief looking like a marionette in kwame's hands during the "we blew it" press conference conducted by the mayor.

cameras are going to solve crime in detroit???

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