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Emu_steve
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/a pps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2007 0122/SUB/701190331/1061

EMU is self financing 100M for their science building (I was a grad student in that bldg. long ago - it was mediocre back then).

WSU has raised over 350M in a capital campaign for 3 major buildings.

Like isn't the state mostly responsible for funding capital items for higher education?

Like I can see student fees, capital campaigns for athletic stadia and arena, auditorums, etc etc. but like for a SCIENCE building????

If the state won't finance a science building for Eastern or a School of Business Ad. building for Wayne, what are they financing?????
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Bobj
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Post Number: 1676
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've heard from people that I know that work in higher ed that the university funding has dramatically changed in the last 10 years or so. The State funds about 1/3, tution 1/3, and other sources about 1/3. So waiting around for the State could leave you behind
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Emu_steve
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Post Number: 97
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 10:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yep, Bob.

There are now 'haves and have nots' among universities.

Universities with huge endowments will do well, others will not.

Too bad there is plenty of need for the UofMs, WSU and EMUs. Different missions and different student populations, but still the same need to get a medical doctor or teacher educated.

I looked at the WSU capital campaign and can't figure out why the state isn't funding say HALF of the cost of these three new buildings?
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The_nerd
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Post Number: 371
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 10:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

EMU spent several years petitioning the state to fund renovations to MJ and Pray-Harrold. Both buildings were constructed in the 1960s and have yet to see major renovations. Despite EMU's need the state told the university to basically wait until the economy improves (insert Michigan economy joke here), however since initial requests both building have deteriorated to dangerously subpar conditions (Pray-Harrold had a substantial fire way back in 2000).

It's sad, but Michigan's perinnial budget problems make state university funding more and more private.
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Iheartthed
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Post Number: 308
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 10:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know firsthand that the state funds next to nothing at U of M.
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Emu_steve
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Post Number: 98
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 11:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Iheartthed, you are actually making my point.

The state essentially says to the universities:

"Swim or sink - you are getting little help from us."

The schools with huge endowments will prosper while the EMU's will suffer.
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56packman
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Post Number: 925
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 11:06 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like, do they teach college students how to communicate in the english language?
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Gistok
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Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 11:22 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like, didn't the state put up an entire year worth of its' bond funding for the U of M Hospital, like 10-15 years ago?
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Charlottepaul
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Post Number: 299
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 11:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah private universities!!
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Zephyrprocess
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Post Number: 225
Registered: 08-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 12:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

didn't the state put up an entire year worth of its' bond funding for the U of M Hospital...10-15 years ago


The current University Hospital opened in 1986, so bonds would have been floated several years prior: something closer to 25 years ago.
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Iheartthed
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Post Number: 309
Registered: 04-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 12:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like, how many other projects has U of M had in the last 10-15 years?
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Jeduncan
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 1:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

ah, this thread is making me laugh.
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Emu_steve
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Post Number: 101
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 1:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A few years ago I saw a list of UofM projects being built or planned. Think the price tag was huge. Might have been in the nearly 2B range.

I don't worry about UofM.
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Detroitplanner
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Post Number: 847
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Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 9:30 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also you should keep in mind that debacle at EMU where the state built the giant library using bond funds and the U used their own funds to build a presidential palace behind a Walgreens!
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Emu_steve
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 11:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is a question, not a statement:

Did EMU use bond funds for the library or was it a very large gift from Mr. Halle?

Or some combination of both?

(I do know that Mr. Halle contributed big bucks but I don't know what % of the total cost that it was).

Yes, the president's house continues to haunt EMU.
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Swiburn
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 10:30 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

U.of Michigan-all 3 campuses, have their buildings mostly, if not all, constructed from private funds. Donors like to see their names on buildings.
The meager state funding kicks in when it comes to paying secretaries, custodians, cooks, i.e. the people who actually run the place.

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