  Detroitman Member Username: Detroitman Post Number: 1045 Registered: 06-2004 |
Detroit may let bars stay open late The majority of City Council members would support extending hours for certain restaurants. Christine MacDonald / The Detroit News http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070202/M ETRO01/702020375/1003/METRO | ||
Detroitej72 Member Username: Detroitej72 Post Number: 487 Registered: 05-2006 |
What, the clown council actually agrees on something? Seriously though, I think if done in certain areas, say downtown, it could be a nice addition to the entertainment district. I don't think all bars in residential areas should qualify, but taking each request on a case by case basis is the best way to go. In light of all the recent trouble at after hours clubs, I wonder if safety will be an issue. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 919 Registered: 04-2006 |
Less police + longer drinking hours = trouble | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 4674 Registered: 10-2003 |
Please note: quote: | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1695 Registered: 12-2003 |
Why, this is already on the books and has been for years. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 350 Registered: 04-2006 |
If Detroit wants to be "cool" then why not let them stay open AND serve alcohol later? | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11199 Registered: 10-2003 |
They do that already, make it legal and it officially gets the "no longer cool" stamp. | ||
Christos Member Username: Christos Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2006 |
Actually, studies prove that later bar times REDUCE drunk-driving accidents- even if you are serving late. Not to mention, Detroit has a TON of illegal, unliscenced "social clubs." By letting places stay open later, this would weaken the demand for such clubs and concentrate police patrols where such after hours spots are permitted. Finally, there are a few bars in the city with a grandfather liquor liscence that allow them to already do this (the Works, Porter Street, City Club, the Labrynth, and Corktown Tavern come to mind). | ||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 435 Registered: 01-2005 |
Permitting only certain bars (the fix will be in, for sure) the extended hours privilege will generate many lawsuits which the city will lose after spending countless thousands of dollars in litigation costs and fees. Way to go geniuses. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1491 Registered: 05-2005 |
the majestic did this several years ago, not serving past 2, but keeping the pizza counter and bar room open until 3/4. Didn't last long though, it apparently wasn't worth it for them | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 243 Registered: 11-2003 |
Has anyone actually read the article? The suggestion on applies to the hours, not liquor being served after 2AM. It is already enforced at the places mentioned (the Works, Porter Street, City Club, the Labrynth, and Corktown Tavern). I would like to see the report that shows how many police incidences there were at these establishments. I have a feeling there have not been too many disturbances otherwise they would not be allowed to do this. I rather have time for people to sober up before hitting the roads rather than someone doing a few shots at last call and then heading straight to their car. Other large cities do it, so why can't we? | ||
Cambrian Member Username: Cambrian Post Number: 553 Registered: 08-2006 |
Somebody told me they were at a NYE party at a popular bar in B-ham and they were serving booze 'til 4 am. Do they all ready have some kind of law allowing this up there? | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 8243 Registered: 10-2003 |
I believe that there is an exception for NYE. | ||
Valkyrias Member Username: Valkyrias Post Number: 426 Registered: 02-2005 |
there is an exception on nye...however, i think there might be some kind of special liquor license the bar/restaurant has to apply for, and i only say that because last year i was at one bar downtown and they stopped serving right at two, but this year i went to a different bar downtown, and they continued to serve well after 2... | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 4678 Registered: 10-2003 |
It is an option on NYE. A bar can serve until 4a.m on NYE but it is not mandatory, just as any other day it may serve alcohol until 2a.m. but the owners choose to close anytime before then. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 8206 Registered: 12-2003 |
Well, it would be a great indicator determining which bar owners are politically connected. My bet? Kwame is STILL be pissed at Jai-Lee Dearing...so his daddy Bert has an uphill battle on finding ANY sympathy...although I'd think both Eastern Market AND Broadway would be good ones to keep open late legally. I really think the city should consider later drinking hours, raising the alcohol tax for these establishments to cover the issues related to their increased potential freedoms...like at least ONE dedicated police car cruising a SMALL area where these establishments could be zoned AND the FREE shuttle home for everyone who needs it. I'd certainly rather see these places on larger boulevards where a passing lane could be maintained...the biggest problem with these clubs is traffic management at closing time. IF the police sent cops just to direct traffic and be eyes/ears for trouble...it could help stem bad behavior and winnow out the drunks before they hit the road...again, paid for by revenue from the alcohol tax. We NEED to tie special services directly to the tax which was instituted to pay for them...so IF and WHEN the services prove no longer needed the tax can go away. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1492 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: if you read my post just above yours, I cite an instance where "we" already have. though its unclear to me how they did it. legally speaking (Message edited by gravitymachine on February 02, 2007) | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 244 Registered: 11-2003 |
Gravitymachine, let me restate what i said. We already are doing it in Detroit so why can't we expand on it? | ||
Dds Member Username: Dds Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2006 |
quote: Note: The word is liquor. I wish the news could have given a bit more regarding this. A few states (or at least cities in those states) allow bars to stay open and only sell beer, no liquor, until 4am. I'm wondering, according to the wording of the article, if this is the case with the Michigan law change. quote: And that's why nobody hangs out in bars past 2am in Chicago. It's no longer cool. In all seriousness, as a bartender for 10 years in this city, I would have to say it's a bad idea. Maybe for Friday and Saturday nights, only? People sitting in bars at 2am want to drink for two more hours, not sit around and sober up for two hours. | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1697 Registered: 12-2003 |
They can also choose to stay open one more hour during DST. You are currently allowed to stay open if you server food, the alcohol must be moved or covered up @ 2am. All this appears to do is allow bars without food to stay open. However they must close at some point for at least an hour to clean up. Many have tried to do this and serve breakfast however it is not worth it. As far as grandfathered liquor licenses, I have never heard of such a thing. Gannon, the industry is already taxed to hilt, they do not need anymore taxes to cover the extra hours. | ||
Dds Member Username: Dds Post Number: 118 Registered: 10-2006 |
I was going to inquire about that after I searched the MLCC site. I could not find anything that concerns a "grandfathered license" or similar terms. Any idea what that phrase was referring to? | ||
Long_in_the_tooth Member Username: Long_in_the_tooth Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2007 |
Porter Street has no such "grandfathered license" to stay open after 2am and serve alcohol. And, they do not obey the laws regarding those after hour permits that state all alcohol, including beer and wine, must be out of sight from the customer and under lock and key. They do not even have a permit to dance. What they do have is a connection to people within the city and it's police force to operate an illegal after hours | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 8232 Registered: 12-2003 |
_sj_, Yeah, I was loathe to put that in print, lest I be nabbed for being a tax & spend liberal. I'm FAR from that, but was fishing for a way to pay for a REAL solution rather that this witchhunt pickpocketing scam we're currently under. Rather, we should direct the taxes already collected for these noble purposes of saving lives by paying directly for a particular police presence and then also getting those who go over the line and cannot drive themselves home safely for all. KEEP TRACK of who uses the service, so we can identify anyone who is out of control and needs some sort of intervention/wakeup. Those wakeups shouldn't cost $8k and screw someone's life up for three to five years. We need to stem the devolution into uncontrollable drunks...by gentle guidance, NOT shooting them after they've developed such bad habits. Cheers! Dds, you've never heard of grandfather clauses? NO relation to the dude on Christmas...it refers to businesses and other entities that had behavior entrenched BEFORE a law is passed, and they are given leeway to perform as before OUTSIDE OR ABOVE the law ON PURPOSE. Like a grandfather, once the current business or owner or person (depending upon the law) dies they are no longer exempt. | ||
Dds Member Username: Dds Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2006 |
I know what a grandfather clause is, but according to the MLCC, there is no such thing when it comes to "legally" selling alcohol past 2am. Of bars that were listed above, a few have changed ownership in the past 5-10 years, and I was confused as to how they could be "grandfathered." More research leads me to assume that there is no such grandfather clause written into Michigan's liquor code. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2003 |
The Works, Porter Street, City Club, the Labrynth, and Corktown Tavern all can stay open past 2AM but can not serve alcohol after 2AM. They are pretty strict with cleaning all alcohol at 2AM if you have been there to witness it. Also, the police do come by after 2AM from time to time but kind of hang out in the corner. | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 812 Registered: 02-2006 |
Chicago has some kind of way that only certain bars are allowed to stay open until 4. And they do serve until 4. I'm not sure what the arrangement is, however, as there are MUCH MUCH fewer after hours places...probably 85-90% close at 2. | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 4708 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Unless you know the codeword for the night.  | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1110 Registered: 01-2005 |
For what it's worth, Nevada bars are open and serve beer/liquor 24/7. And DUIs don't seem to be any more of a problem here than back in Michigan. Most of these Michigan liquor laws were adopted right after the repeal of Prohibibion and never changed. I think it's time to re-think the whole MLCC statute book. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 1483 Registered: 12-2005 |
Ray1936 speaks the truth. Time to get current. | ||
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan Post Number: 5091 Registered: 10-2003 |
It's hardly a Michigan thing. Most of this country needs to get current. | ||
Rayls Member Username: Rayls Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hey Rjlj. Porter Street is an illegal after hours joint. They have never been inspected by the city and they do not have a liquor licence. They open after legal businesses close and create havoc in Corktown. They are currently being raided. Cops have Porter closed between Brooklyn and Trumbull. Perhaps some peace can return to the neighborhood. Those idiots at Porter Street have really done a number on this area. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2003 |
Sorry, I have never been to porter street but have been to the others. I thought it was another place I was at once. Too bad for them. Places like that sometimes give a city charater and make it exciting but I don't like when things get out of hand. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 1111 Registered: 01-2005 |
Supporting illegal actions don't speak well for any city's character. | ||
Pythonmaster Member Username: Pythonmaster Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2006 |
How about most of the country needs to get sober? If you can't get it by 2AM, you ain't getting it. | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 819 Registered: 02-2006 |
In that case, why don't we just say no drinking before 5? Because as we all know, everyone works 9-5 and goes to bed early. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1095 Registered: 01-2005 |
I don't understand the whole argument that controlling the time when you drink reduces incidences of drunk driving and accidents. To me...people slam drinks at last call so they can keep their buzz going longer (traditional wisdom...not necessarily true). I think they get more bombed that way, and are much more of a nuisance and a danger. They slam drinks then are forced to leave and go out on the road. Totally ridiculous! If there are no mandated closing times, there won’t be a rush to get drunk while it's still ok. I'm for the 24/7 thing...all the time, anytime. It's the American way...let capitalism and need decide when businesses close. |
