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| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 5:15 pm: |    |
I've read Rand, and will again. She has come up more than a few times in discussion and bears a repeat now that I'm older.
Like ANY good, honest, and open-minded thinkers, hers develops with the reader's maturity.
Sorry to tread on the actual use of the tetragrammaton, I had NO idea...we had a discussion with my Jewish friends immediately after 9/11 whether typing into the ether was 'saying' it or not! Heh. CAN electrons ever be destroyed?!
I just don't think He wants to be bothered by mistake...always thought THAT was why we had the rule against using His Name in vain in the Catholic church!
I fully understand your CURRENT understanding of socialist governments, but most of them used Marx' silly understanding that the church was just another opiate to calm the sheople...he also had NO understanding of spiritual matters.
If anything, I want to be an advocate for indigenous populations EVERYWHERE, including our OWN homeless. Not sure ANYONE wants to see MY mug on a poster, though!
Lemme have the FREEDOM to find eleven other like-minded individuals to create and grow a socialist experiment based on the basic outline from that troublemaker's followers from a few thousand years ago, and give us the latitude to open-zone some of the urban prairie within THIS city...so we can once again FARM the beautiful bountiful black soil, mine a bit of salt, raise some cows and chicken organically...entice some bees into giving up a bit of their annual production...nah, we need to aim for a renewal from the very ground UP in this town.
WAY more radical than simple socialism, I'm talking about making a community that can self-exist OFF the grid...neo-Luddite, as it appears...and we'll take the homeless problem in the inner city and make productive citizens out of the ones that desire it.
Ain't a hope in heaven or hell of this happening with current laws and societal expectations...so something major has to happen. But THAT is the eventuality that I'm preparing for, earnestly.
Corporations will continue to abandon us, not only in MI but all over the country. It is inevitable. They absolutely HAVE to in order to survive...it is in their basic equation of lowest labor and materials sourcing devoid of meaningful regulation.
It is likely that we'll devolve into chaos within a few years, especially when China and the rest of the world decide to eliminate us from the consumption equation...we simply consume WAY more of the world's resources than we're worth.
AND we're NOT learning ONE WHIT, nor showing the world that we care about them...save for our empire expansion.
This day's troubling development in Iran, from UN-named government sources, is exactly the bullshit I've been expecting for them to 'justify' moving against Iran.
The world is already poised against us...and more are agreeing with the Muslim fatwa that since the populace supposedly voted IN the bastards who are deciding to pursue this damned conquest then WE ALL are responsible for what our nation does overseas.
WE, the People, are the NEW collateral damage. Luckily, one of our more popular stores has distributed enough targets that they will be able to tag the greatest sloppy consumers first. |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 5:46 pm: | |
Am I correct to assume you strongly disagree with Ayn Rand? That is the apparent logical conclusion one would make from your positions. |
Chitaku
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Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 5:51 pm: | |
Cc Bill O Reilly himself said this is a capitalist nation |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 6:37 pm: | |
It is the closest thing to it in the world, but far from the real deal. Bill OReilly?? Entertaining, but not "the authority' on...well, anything really. |
Gannon
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Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 6:45 pm: | |
My positions are independent of consideration of her words. I read her twenty years ago, when I was pursuing an economics degree.
As with ALL philosophers I've read, I fully and completely reject their conclusions while taking their experiences and analysis into consideration.
It is enough that I purposely kept her books in my shelf, many things have been weeded and loaned out over the years, but I've carried those books since those early investigations.
My conclusions here are based on an incredibly complex travel through ideologies, philosophies, religions, opinions, and MOSTLY experiences...because THAT is the only thing I can truly know.
The rest is inference and understanding of another's concepts, and we are ALL prone to missing things we learn from others, verbally or visually. Our life experience will ALWAYS cloud our understanding.
So, hence my reason NOW to revisit Ayn's great works...I am much older now, and am ready to revisit her ideals.
IF I could explain the Spiritual enlightenment that confirms my apparently lifelong quest to construct a Unified Theory of Knowledge, I would, but I will lapse into language that would spin a Poetry Professor on their head.
I get enough grief for that NOW... |
Cinderpath
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 6:49 pm: | |
Well well well, Let the bashing begin! Let's see if I get this straight: Republicans elected in previous administration "Cut Taxes", but don't bother to cut spending or find another revenue source and create a multi-billion dollar deficit, now with interest. Republican legislature gives themselves congratulatory 38% pay increase (what happened to cutting spending?) Citizens are happy; they "Paid less" in taxes.
Democrat gets elected, wants to spend money but realizes they were beat to the punch, and the till is bled dry, and Republican legislature further cuts business taxes by 2 billion, (SBT) and again does not replace revenue source. Bad Democrat, says: "We need to find a way to pay for this, besides borrowing money", and paying even more in interest. Democrat proposes new taxes, which now must pay for the original debt and of course interest. (Republicans say they oppose it, but are quietly really giddy because they got another sucker to do their dirty work).
Note to voters: Repeat these steps as often as necessary until you chumps realize anytime a politician proposes a tax cut without a way to pay for it, you will be further fleeced. Ah- but you can't resist voting for fiscally irresponsible Republicans whose mantra is "Borrow and Spend", and yet again promises to cut taxes-
I can't wait until all you selfish baby-boomers try to retire, not realizing George W. Bush has also bled the treasury dry making his buddies rich with his war on terror. Just wait till the bill for that comes due. Don't worry though, it'll be a Democrat in the White House you can conveniently blame for making you get your wallet out and actually pay for his largesse that benefited a few. Thanks for robbing future generations and making us pay interest on your irresponsible ways, the Woodstock generation strikes again!
I love this country- we are a nation of amnesiacs.
(Message edited by Cinderpath on February 11, 2007) |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 9:24 pm: | |
Exactly my sentiments..it is a lose-lose scenario, and I can see no path out of this dilemna that is realistic.
Where does that leave us? really stuck choosing the lesser of 2 evils which is always a bad position to be in. We need to push away from tax (Democrat-liberal) and spend (both Dem and Republican) principles and do so relentlessly until we get some results.
Hopefully, someone with a chance at winning elected office, opposed to both taxing and spending will surface. |
Bob
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 9:37 pm: | |
Yup, the GOP blew it by nominating Dick DeVos, not that they could control it. He scared any real candidates away with his deep pockets. But Nolan Finley has a great article today that hits the point home.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070211/O PINION03/702110310 |
Dnvn522
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| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 5:12 pm: | |
quote:Bright and early Monday morning eliminate 6,000 state "workers" and their golden parachute benefit packages. There is no need for us to let the state steal even one penny more of our hard-earned dollars to keep these parasites fat and happy. Wow. I never considered my mother a parasite. But since she worked for the State, I guess she was. I should of realized it by the mansion she lives in, with all the worldly goods she could ever want. |
Trainman
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| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 5:19 pm: | |
Let's defeat the SMART property tax renewal in 2010 in all of Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties and then we will recover some of the loss of former guv John Engler's many tax cuts? His property tax cut cost our state a hell of a lot of money, but people just don't understand why. You see, crooked politicians are SMART and they know how to keep people mis-informed and in the dark.
The state is required by federal laws to pay the full cost of SMART including pensions. Not one single bus driver will be laid off if this property tax fails.
Is there anyone in this thread who has any courage at all to stand up and not just say NO, to more tax cuts but to stand up and say HELL NO.
John Engler has cut our taxes 23 times according to his former supporters and those who support tax cuts. |
Perfectgentleman
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| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 5:32 pm: | |
I found out how many merchants will be dealing with this new tax. They will raise their prices and round up to the nearest quarter or so. So, if something was costing $7.00 before it will now be $7.25 at least. The state will get its 14 cents and the merchant will pocket the balance. So basically the tax will have the effect of a FURTHER price INCREASE on most services, which throws the $67.00 annual figure the governor quoted out the window.
(Message edited by perfectgentleman on February 12, 2007) |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 10:31 pm: | |
"His property tax cut cost OUR STATE a hell of a lot of money". If you use liberal speak to twist the phrasing of tax cut and turn that into a cost/loss to the establishment, then that is correct. But where does the money go? Nowhere as a tax cut means that the taxpayer gets to keep more of what is his/hers....that is a very good thing on every level.
Government should have just enough money to perform its' intended (by the framers) function. That does not include all of these entitlements and pretend jobs for the bloated government. |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:15 am: | |
Gannon...upon reviewing your posts (they are tough to follow), are you praising the unibomber?? If so, well, to say the least, our stock goes way down with that position.
Seriously, I begin to sense a undertone (put mildly, and nicely) of madness in what you are expressing in your posts. Are you under professional care? I do not mean this as an insult, rather out of concern that you are well and remain that way.
Please take care, and best regards. |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 7:31 am: | |
IF you haven't read his manifesto, then you are in NO place to make these determinations.
I am acknowledging that Ted Kacynski formulated a precise critique on western 'civilization', but denounce his tactics to get the rest of us to pay attention to them.
Indeed, his two-page diatribe against modern leftism would give Karl/MrJoshua/LY enough hard-ons for a circle, UNTIL they realized that they've been fed this analysis VERBATIM through the 'trusted' news/entertainment sources. BOTH FoxsNews and Rush Limbaugh have spoken exactly what Kacynski railed against for such a duration in his essay.
It caused me to take a deep look at myself and my motivations, and I conclude HE got too much a dose of the extremes in academia's left.
He gives conservatives a nod, too, in chapter 50.
I have NEVER made any claims against madness, indeed that is usually the spark of extreme creativity, but I know my ethical and moral core. I know without shadow or doubt that NO violence will ever happen through me, nor will I allow it from someone else based upon my ideals.
I am aware that MOST good ideas put forth in the twentieth century were dismissed by the majority due to some idiosyncracies in the deliverer.
The Unabomber was wrong in his attempts to get people to notice his treatise, but in his extreme intelligence he was able to justify grossly incorrect choices.
The Unabomber was RIGHT in his assessment of the troubles of this age...Industrial Society and Its LACK of a Future. I consider his work the best a mere human could do without God's Spirit flowing within him, which is a state MOST are in right now.
Shame, too.
Thanks for your concern. I'll be fine, and y'all will be better for it. |
Danny
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 8:14 am: | |
YAY!!!! GRANDHOLM, The reason the she raise more taxes because the $800 million dollar deficit must be reduced. Remember 6 years ago John " Chicken" Engler didn't even hold a political candle to reduce the deficit. Politics are not that easy. Every politician must count the cost before a resolution can be placed.
She's a staying the course and I hope that the people of Michigan who are thinking for themselves to stay the coarse, too. GOOD FOR YOU GRANHOLM. RAISE THOSE TAXES TO EVERYONE. WE MUST PAY THE PRICE FOR OUR DEDUCTIVE REASONING. |
Mikeg
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 8:42 am: | |
Yeah, and it's also fashionable to blame John Engler for closing all of the state mental hospitals. Yet when Engler was elected in 1990, "deinstitutionalization" was already in full force and the number of mentally ill people in state hospitals was already down to 3,507, compared to 21,895, 20 years earlier.
"Deinstitutionalization" has emphasized the development of new drugs, supervised care in the community and a return to usefulness and participation in society, including the Internet. |
Schulzte1
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 6:52 pm: | |
This story says that we have the 19th highest tax burden of the 50 states. So we are pretty middle of the road, apparently |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 10:11 pm: | |
It is always good policy to dismiss the ravings of a madperson regardless of how compelling they may appear to be.
Bright though the person may have been, they are not operating in the same reality as the sane. They, by definition, respond to internal cues....meaning that their minds create a reality stemming from the mental illness that appears like plausible reality superficially but is nothing of the sort.
The concern is that the path towards decompensation is to believe these false realities (in the form of hallucinations, delusions, and bizarre ideation) and behave in a way that is grounded in the unreality. Ultimately, the influence of the madness takes over and comes in conflict with the real world with disastrous results.
Although it is a lot to ask (maybe too much), the best hope is to recognize the madness at an early stage and get treated before spiralling downward.
Words of wisdom that I hope can help avert a disaster, again, best regards.
And I digress too much, so back to the topic at hand. |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 11:31 pm: | |
Get treated?
Get real.
Went there, they poisoned my soul.
Took away the nagging of my conscience, so I was caring LESS about the consequences of my actions.
More I get back to nature, better I am. The experiment will continue in earnest as soon as the weather breaks.
Planting food, watching the cycles of the earth system, moving with the flow of time rather than suffer the ginsu sweep-second hand nipping away at my soul (do you sense a trend here?)...yeah, I cannot wait to go as mad as I possibly can.
Funny thing, crazy people aren't supposed to KNOW when they've gone bonkers. I'll let you know when that happens! |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 102
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 11:55 pm: | |
Oh boy, it appears my suspicions are correct. Just don't close your mind to treatment if things get to that place again, or before catastrophe strikes...and please remain well.
(Message edited by ccbatson on February 13, 2007) |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 12:31 am: | |
Again, your attempt at steering me into some form of treatment, immediately assumes that I haven't gone down that road earnestly for a duration.
My life travels have been wide and varied, and the path I'm on is, for me, exactly the right one.
I've been paying great attention ALL my life, and the closest traditional psychological medicine has come to describing me is the Asperger's Syndrome...the mere existence of which is hotly debated in some circles.
One of my hifi writing associates in NYC is a doctor, within an hour of meeting me during a fabulous Brazilian dinner in the middle of Manhattan...he exclaimed that he wanted to study my brain. That was a conversation stopper, wasn't sure if he meant Hannibal Lechter-style or what!
Up until that comment, I had NO idea what work he did outside the high-end hifi industry. Apparently he is at a University there, on the leading edge using flat MRI machines to map the blood-flow during specific tasks...which they believe to be an indicator of mapping the brain functions.
He had never met anyone quite like me.
Neither have I. Thank Goodness.
You can call it madness, and I am absolutely comfortable with that. I know otherwise. |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 9:42 am: | |
Ccbatson,
I have been harsh with you, and I apologize.
Part of your professional training MUST have been to not project your conclusions onto your 'patient'.
You know they don't respond well to that.
Especially from a diagnoses rendered from a FEW internet postings. Heh.
Cheers! |
Detrola
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 10:27 am: | |
Let us not forget that we have only ourselves to blame for Engler. So many like to recall how important the detroit vote is. If we are to take credit for putting Blanchard in his place for the "snub" of Mayor Young and detroit, then we must also accept the blame for Engler's legacy.
The state legislature also had a hand in the closure of the mental health facilities during Engler's term. This is one of the over looked paragraphs of that chapter in state history.
I am not defending Engler. He no closer represents my ideology than Granholm. I simply would like to illustrate that we share the blame for the policies of those whom we elect to office.
So the next time you make an appointment at the salon, or stop by the barber shop, take a good look at yourself in the mirror. We have only ourselves to blame. |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 11:12 am: | |
Thanks, Detrola...always thought you were a tuner/receiver of radio waves, this time you're broadcasting truth.
Thanks. |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 10:24 pm: | |
Too true Gannon, but we hardly have a Doctor patient relationship, so any guidelines of that sort don't apply. Besides, that is not even my field. I was merely making some observations, not a diagnosis, then you volunteered confirmation of my suspicions and a diagnosis.
I am not sure what you mean by "project" conclusions to the patient. If you mean informing a patient of a diagnostic impression and recommendations, then, yes, that is an important element of the relationship entered into. In fact, it is precisely that feature that defines the term "consultation".
I believe you mean something else by "project" and that what you mean by that is something to be avoided. But exactly what you mean by that, I don't know, so....I can't really properly respond.
Back on point, I am merely trying to be helpful in a casual sense as is as much as could be expected on an internet forum.
Cheers. |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 1:38 am: | |
Sorry, rather...'imprinting' by some communication a diagnoses that any less-grounded individual might take on as their own for a variety of reasons.
Three of my best customers, who have grown into good friends over the course of 8-15 years, are medical doctors. OK, two MDs and an Osteopath. I'm in pretty good hands, if something WERE awry.
Unless, of course, I'm choosing the wrong doctors to hang out with!
BTW, after viewing the movie Network tonight...I'll be keeping a MUCH closer eye on myself! |
Yvette248
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:51 am: | |
PRICELESS!!!
Granholm to GOP: Show backbone to relieve budget crisis
Mark Hornbeck / Detroit News Lansing Bureau
LANSING -- Gov. Jennifer Granholm ratcheted up the rhetoric today surrounding the state's budget crisis, calling for Republican lawmakers to show some "courage and backbone" in addressing the $800 million deficit.
"The crisis is upon us. Every day we wait exacerbates the crisis," Granholm said. She added she doesn't believe Republicans can muster the support for the deep program reductions it would take to balance the budget.
"I would like to see how many senators are willing to vote for school cuts in the middle of the school year," Granholm said.
(Message edited by yvette248 on February 15, 2007) |
Bob
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Post Number: 1370
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 12:55 pm: | |
The GOP strategy is to sit on their hands and they get what they want. No vote or plan, so replacement for the SBT and they get their lower business taxes. |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 1:02 pm: | |
quote: Wow. I never considered my mother a parasite. But since she worked for the State, I guess she was. I should of realized it by the mansion she lives in, with all the worldly goods she could ever want.
Does Granholm's Husband need Three Assistants. In fact does he even need any. |
Bob
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 1:07 pm: | |
Yes, the First Gentleman staff needs to go. |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 2:57 pm: | |
That is reassuring Gannon, although I don't know/didn't see what you are referring to on TMC, anyway....
Also, if you look carefully, I never ventured any specific diagnosis, rather pointed out that I suspected something was amiss. You then gave some detail as to what has been proposed to you.
When I was more specific it was in reference to the unibomber (maybe you misunderstood).
Back on subject....Rejection of Granholm's budget/spending-taxing proposal....Hooray!!!
Unfortunately, slippery politicians seldom give up that easily..so it's on to round 2. |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 4:21 pm: | |
Cc,
No harm, no foul. I WAS taking your indirect assessment directly, since the mention of THAT troublesome dude prompted the whole thing, it seemed.
I was just arguing for consideration of madfolk's rants, because most have a perspective that we should CHERISH, not chase.
Put this fellow in some think tank, get him at least thinking his ideas were useful...heck, they kept John Nash off the streets because in HIS insanity he was able to shed some interesting light on some unusual mathematics.
Difference was, Teddy obviously didn't LIKE many of the people that populate academics. That client I knew who was on his top ten was a professor at UofM who wrote the best-selling textbook of all time (back THEN, at least), and was ALL about understanding and manipulating human behavior.
Exactly the thing ol' Una was railing against...and oddly enough EXACTLY what the movie Network was about. The Howard Beale character, the hero neo-prophet, had some visions and was on his way to illuminating mere humankind.
I felt some affinity for the guy until he went on ranting and raving...that movie is STILL appropriate, if not MORESO, thirty years after its debut.
McConnell used to be in TeeVee, too. My bet is he participated in some odd studies, his entire HOUSE was a three-dimensional mere human Rorshach maze. Has his game figured out within room three of the tour.
He was another researcher who said he had never met anyone like me. Made sure I took down his contact information on the way home. Forgot all about it until I stumbled upon some old personal phone book where all the numbers were seven digits...even A2 was 313 there for a long while, iffin's I'm remembering properly. (MORE proof that A2 is just a suburb...long running joke here)
NOW back to the subject at hand, I am VERY interested to see if Jenny's gambit will force a move in these staunch politicos.
I will be quite happy IF this service tax dies a quick and painless death. |
Dnvn522
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 7:30 am: | |
quote:Back on subject....Rejection of Granholm's budget/spending-taxing proposal....Hooray!!!
Yay!! We're still $800 million in the hole! |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 4:43 pm: | |
"We"?? Hardly, it is the states' budget that is a mess and in the hole, largely for reasons that I have already mentioned, namely..socialist policies encumbering free enterprise in a manufacturing dependent state. Unions, in concert with government strangle the industry killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Then the government pretends they are the victim and ask the populace to pay for their mistakes. Hooray for the taxpayers...that is the real "We". |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 5:12 pm: | |
When we tighten our belts, we MUST make sure they are still around our OWN waists...not somebody else's neck. |
Nyburgher
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 6:33 pm: | |
It's pretty lame when even the world's lunatics are not original. Ever heard of the Khmer Rouge, Gannon?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K hmer_Rouge |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 7:34 pm: | |
I have no fucking idea what you are talking about, Nyburgher.
If you are trying to compare ME to them, you are one sick and twisted individual. |
Irish_mafia
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 8:04 pm: | |
Does Granholme's budget, the one she cut, have more spending allocated this year than last?
This what I think I read in Crains.
If so, why isn't she getting a good spanking? |
Jimaz
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 8:18 pm: | |
It's spelled Granholm. |
Irish_mafia
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 8:24 pm: | |
That's ok Jimaz.
I'll spell it correctly when she does something good for the state.
Let's hope her future mathematics is better than my spelling. |
Nyburgher
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| | Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 10:25 pm: | |
Back to nature, communist eco- utopia. So original. If the 20th century had not happened, I guess this would be charming.
"Once in power, Pol Pot began a radical experiment to create an agrarian utopia inspired in part by Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution which he had witnessed first-hand during a visit to Communist China.
Mao's "Great Leap Forward" economic program included forced evacuations of Chinese cities and the purging of "class enemies." Pol Pot would now attempt his own "Super Great Leap Forward" in Cambodia, which he renamed the Democratic Republic of Kampuchea.
He began by declaring, "This is Year Zero," and that society was about to be "purified." Capitalism, Western culture, city life, religion, and all foreign influences were to be extinguished in favor of an extreme form of peasant Communism."
http://www.historyplace.com/wo rldhistory/genocide/pol-pot.ht m |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 12:16 am: | |
She (Granholm) is a liberal Democrat..a Leopards' spots and all that jazz. Actually, she is not to blame, just as the Leopard can't be blamed. Who do we have to blame then? Ourselves (collectively) for asking for exactly this when we vote in the socialists is democracy's clothes. Maybe we will learn for next time....I'm not going to hold my breath, but sooner, or later, we will wake up again (probably to fall right back asleep again, hence the political and economic cycling). |
Yvette248
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 7:14 pm: | |
This state has been run by a republican governor AND a republican legislature for the last DECADE and look at where its got us. Cutting, slashing and burning over the years is clearly NOT the answer - or we would not be in the bottom of the pit economically. It's clearly time to try something else.
p.s. For those who would state the obvious, Granholm can't pass her legislation because of the Republican obstructionists who insist on their way or no way. So, effectively, our state HAS been run by republicans for the last 12 years.
(Message edited by yvette248 on February 17, 2007) |
Futurecity
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 8:43 pm: | |
It's spelled Grandstand.
"Cutting, slashing and burning over the years is clearly NOT the answer - It's clearly time to try something else."
Yeah! Let's accelerate the problem by STEALING MORE MONEY FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WORK and giving it to bureaucrats (PARASITES) in Lansing! |
Mikeg
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 10:11 pm: | |
Yvette248 wrote:
This state has been run by a republican governor AND a republican legislature for the last DECADE and look at where its got us. Cutting, slashing and burning over the years is clearly NOT the answer - or we would not be in the bottom of the pit economically.
When it comes to "Cutting, slashing and burning", clearly you do not know what you are talking about.
Let's look at the State Budget facts as provided by the State of Michigan Budget Office website (only the fiscal years 2000-2007 are available - Engler's last budget recommendation was for FY 2003):
| Fiscal Year | Governor's Recommendation | Appropriated Amt. | % change | | 1999 | n/a | $32.1B | n/a | | 2000 | $34.0B | 34.9B | +6.1% | | 2001 | 36.2B | 36.9B | +3.7 | | 2002 | 38.2B | 38.0B | +3.2 | | 2003 | 39.4B | 39.8B | +3.7 | | 2004 | 38.6B | 39.2B | -3.0 | | 2005 | 39.7B | 40.2B | +1.3 | | 2006 | 41.2B | 41.5B | +2.4 | | 2007 | 42.5B | n/a | +2.5 |
Granholm's first budget recommendation in FY 2004 is the only one that represented a "cut" in the true sense of the word.
What really happens is that a governor always proposes a budget that is in line with projected revenues and with their desired spending priorities. The legislature then appropriates the available funds to allow spending to occur. The following year the governor proposes a new budget that is either larger or (occasionally) smaller than the prior years appropriated amount.
Looking at the data for the past 9 years, I fail to see any evidence of "Cutting, slashing and burning" except in fiscal year 2004 by Gov. Granholm - and that 3.0 percent cut was necessitated by a projected shortfall in revenues.
And oh by the way, Gov. Granholm has a Democrat majority in the House of Representatives |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 17, 2007 - 10:55 pm: | |
You have to shed your myopic spectacles when considering the complicated road to our current economic woes. It is not a simple matter of taxes, unions, the federal economy, the world economy, government spending, or government involvement in private enterprise...it is a combination of these, and many other, factors.
It so happens that a socialist/liberal economic policy creates/fosters/accelerates all of these items leading to a mess as we are currently finding ourselves. Republicans are no angels either, but not, IMO, for the typical reasons that they are criticized. It is because they are not economically conservative enough (or are too liberal, if you prefer the phrasing) that they dissappoint..just not nearly as much as the left.
Refer to Milton Freedman, Greenspan, and Rand for descriptions of what a capitalist economy should be and what it could offer if we had one. |
Nyburgher
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 1:19 am: | |
"It so happens that a socialist/liberal economic policy creates/fosters/accelerates all of these items leading to a mess as we are currently finding ourselves. Republicans are no angels either, but not, IMO, for the typical reasons that they are criticized. It is because they are not economically conservative enough (or are too liberal, if you prefer the phrasing) that they dissappoint..just not nearly as much as the left."
I agree with you completely but you should be carefull about your use of the term liberal.
The term for most of history ( and still in most of the world ) was used to describe an advocate of individual rights, private property, free trade etc... However in one of the worlds finest product labeling scams-- it has been taken over by advocates of socialism, fascism and all types of opponents of human freedom.
The only trick that even slicker is the "progressive label". which is used by people advocating evil tired ideas that killed millions in the 20th century and kept most of the world in total poverty. |
Nyburgher
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 1:32 am: | |
This is true Liberalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C lassical_liberalism
I know that at this point in human history, it seems hopeless to reclaim the term back to it's accurate use but I will try. Words used to have meaning. |
Mcp001
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 11:48 am: | |
What a sneaky little witch!
From The Detroit News. |
Nyburgher
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 4:40 pm: | |
Well, see only silly classical liberals ( like the people who founded the country ) are concerned with stuff like constitutions and silly ideas like the rule of law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C onstitutional_republic
Who can forget Patrick Henry's immortal line give me liberty or give me medicaid.
Brother, you asked for it !!!! |
Trainman
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 5:31 pm: | |
The guv. is the one who slashed over $32 Million per year from mass transit thus causing the Livonia Opt out.
We have nearly doubled the property tax in less then 10 years to support what our state used to pay for.
The guv. recommended to raise this by over $300. per year to tax those who do not have a job by signing the illegal DARTA agreement. An agreement that violates union agreements and caused the shut down of the buses in Livonia. There will be many more attempts to raise transit taxes despite the over $200 Million dollars we now spend on two incompetent transit systems. This is because many people believe that we must add rail to our bus systems or they will continue to fail. |
Nyburgher
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 6:00 pm: | |
I just came up with this little tidbit about the origins of the word liberal. I think they help to show what the correct meaning is.
"The word "liberal" derives from the Latin liber ("free, not slave"). It is widely associated with the word "liberty" and the concept of freedom. Livy's History of Rome from Its Foundation describes the struggles for freedom between the plebeian and patrician classes. Marcus Aurelius in his Meditations writes about "...the idea of a polity administered with regard to equal rights and equal freedom of speech, and the idea of a kingly government which respects most of all the freedom of the governed... ." Largely dormant during the vicissitudes of the Middle Ages, the struggle for freedom began again in the Italian Renaissance, in the conflict between the supporters of free city states and supporters of the Pope or the Holy Roman Emperor. Niccolò Machiavelli, in his Discourses on Livy, laid down the principles of republican government. John Locke in England and the thinkers of the French Enlightenment articulated the struggle for freedom in terms of the Rights of Man."
Thats from the Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L iberalism#Etymology_and_histor ical_usage
Here's the Definition and origins from Websters.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ liberal
The story of how the advocates of state sanctioned slavery ripped off the word is a long dark one. |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 10:35 pm: | |
Yes we should qualify the term in some way to make it more clear. How about North American Democratic party Socialist Left WIng Liberals....NADS LWL....Nah...too long...if we drop the LWL...NADS..not too bad, what do you think? (LOL). |
Nyburgher
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 18, 2007 - 11:31 pm: | |
I think Statist or collectivist will do fine. Normally, I kind of have sense of humor and a lot of these ideas are funny until one sees how many people they have killed.
Also, remember that not only has the word Liberal and Conservative lost it's true meaning. The definition of Fascism has also been so warped that most people don't recognise it when they see it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E conomics_of_fascism#Political_ economy_of_Nazi_Germany |
Nyburgher
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| | Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 12:16 am: | |
Here's a little blurb on the origins of the Republican Party and our greatest president--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R epublican_Party_(United_States)#Third_party_sy stem:_1854-1896
"The Republican Party was established in 1854 by a coalition of former Whigs, Northern Democrats, and Free-Soilers who opposed the expansion of slavery and held a vision for modernizing the United States.
The new party was created as an act of defiance against what activists denounced as the Slave Power—the powerful class of slaveholders who were conspiring to control the federal government and to spread slavery nationwide. The party founders adopted the name "Republican," echoing the 1776 republican values of civic virtue and opposition to aristocracy and corruption. The new party emphasized a vision of modernizing higher education, banking, railroads, industry, and cities, while promising free homesteads to farmers" |
Themax
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| | Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 4:31 pm: | |
Gannon: I read the last half of Kuscinsky's manifesto. He strikes me as one of those people who does not want to make a compromise with the world around him. I'm surprised he didn't kill himself, but he obviously felt strongly enough about making his manifesto public that he chose to kill others. I wonder if he's got a bit of Asperger's. He appears to have given up his career in math(?) out of frustration over the power structure in universities. I've heard that some subatomic physicists were at least disturbed by their work. Math is so abstract, I can see where someone might just say one day,"What the heck am I racking my brain for?"
He also appears to respect the "rugged individualism" touted in past centuries. But as he implies, there are too many people and not enough land for everyone to be a rugged individualist. And not everyone wants to live like he did in a one-room cabin without electricity and other modern amenities.
He probably should have been in a different field although he doesn't give scientists much credit.He just sounds very depressed with the world as it is. It's too bad he didn't get some psychiatric help, but some people are not willing to admit that they might need help even when they are making letter bombs. The strange thing is that some people with the same power problem solve it by going into politics. AAAARGH! |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 10:40 pm: | |
Themax; he was/is a madman...Schizophrenic with homicidal ideation that he acted upon, now institutionalized (too little, too late). To seriously consider anything that came from him is absurd. |
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