  Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 237 Registered: 11-2005 |
...think about why you haven't posted a story about a knife-wielding woman in Macomb who kills her kids. or the guy who sexually molests mentally disabled people, allegedly kills TWO wives and is busted with child porn ... and lives in the suburbs. Sorry, but I get sick of people who constantly point to this stuff and refuse to acknowledge that crime DOES happen everywhere. What set this off was a seemingly innocent post about a dance song about Detroit and then someone linking to a story about a kid being shot. Look, Detroit is a huge city, both geographically and population wise (though not as huge as it once was, obviously). OF COURSE we are going to have more crime than Bloomfield Hills or Novi or whatever other rich, affluent suburb. THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER. If you don't believe me, why don't you leave your malls, chain restaurants and SUV-filled parking lots and come see for yourself? What I'm trying to say is, "Say nice things about Detroit!" ... or else we'll shoot ya.  | ||
Yelloweyes Member Username: Yelloweyes Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2007 |
Nice post! | ||
Jdkeepsmiling Member Username: Jdkeepsmiling Post Number: 198 Registered: 01-2006 |
Watch out....here comes Citylover..... | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1105 Registered: 01-2004 |
This will prove to be an interesting thread. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 35 Registered: 01-2007 |
Damn STRAIGHT! I have my 380 ready and cocked!! | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11252 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ohhhhh shit, wait till CL sees this thread! He'll tell ya, this stuff only happens in Deeeee-troit. I keep a 40 cal on my side! | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 512 Registered: 09-2006 |
BANG BANG bitch!! lol. Yeah let the whining begin. (edited because im so gangsta I cant spell) (Message edited by mayor_sekou on February 13, 2007) | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 514 Registered: 09-2006 |
Lol hell yeah Stylin I said that exact same thing yesterday night. But then suspiciously that part of my post is gone today..hmmm. But yeah CH is definitely the Karl of crime. | ||
Granmontrules Member Username: Granmontrules Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2007 |
Excellent post! I contend that people just like to post negative Detroit stuff just to tear the city down. Don't let the bastards get us! | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 449 Registered: 12-2006 |
I got my beer and tobacco all ready for this one. Plus my trusty pistol right next to the fire. Anyone up for some poker while we wait for CL to show up? Nice idea for a thread, Rawk. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 683 Registered: 11-2004 |
Yeah, Detroit is going to have more than smaller cities you listed. That isn't the issue the fact is that our crime rate is worse than most other MAJOR cities. I'd say things are not getting better the homicide was up 10-15% last year and we're continuing lose population. As great as all the development downtown and surrounding areas, much of it unimaginable 10 years ago, it does not make up. All we've really done is slow our decline | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11253 Registered: 10-2003 |
In the mean time, since it may be awhile before CL arrives, we should all study up on the crime in Ann Arbor. U of M students robbed at gunpoint. http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/10989903/detail.html U of M student charged in carjacking. http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/10992382/detail.html Anybody for a little Kumbaya? | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 450 Registered: 12-2006 |
LOL Sport. Nice finds. CL will love that. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11254 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm only trying to look out for him. It worries me that he lives in Ann Arbor, especially when I read stories like this. | ||
Jtw Member Username: Jtw Post Number: 113 Registered: 06-2005 |
here's an idea - let's post all crime reports from the news on a single super-thread, with either "DETROIT" or "SUBURBS" in the headline and we'll be able to count if detroit itself has more crime than all the suburbs combined. the city might have the edge. there's nothing like rationalizing crime in detroit to bring the region together. sure, my wallet got stolen in novi in december. but at least i didn't get murdered while i was filling up my gas tank or delivering newspapers. what an awful thread. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 516 Registered: 09-2006 |
By the way what is the murder count at? SS were you keeping count? | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 1017 Registered: 04-2005 |
very, very few folks hope for detroit's demise. yet, further stories from the "d" seem to indicate the city is out of control. a lot of folks ask, when will it stop? how will it stop? don't fool yourself. detroit has a lot more failed kids, wrecked schools, burned homes, and murdered people than its neighbors. insulting the suburbs is just as ridiculous as suggesting that everything's okay in detroit. rawk, step back and take a look at the world around you. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 997 Registered: 12-2005 |
These terrible crimes and murders happen in the suburbs as well as the city. The main difference is that the suburban neighbors saw, heard and reported what happened and the suburban police tend to catch who did it. | ||
Tiorted Member Username: Tiorted Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2006 |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070213/M ETRO02/702130349/1009 Teen girls charged in Troy restaurant assaults TROY -- Three Macomb County females are facing charges of assault and battery after police were called to investigate a scuffle inside the Chuck E. Cheese restaurant on John R. | ||
Mw2gs Member Username: Mw2gs Post Number: 252 Registered: 03-2005 |
Keep count of all the pedophile cases outside the city before tracking DPS | ||
Beavis1981 Member Username: Beavis1981 Post Number: 188 Registered: 08-2006 |
Say it isn't so! This is the 3rd thread in a week devoted basically to one person! I'm starting to think the allegations of pointless cat-fighting are true...........Oh well its not like there is anything else to do on a tuesday night. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11255 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: I have us at 20 thus far. On pace to be the lowest in decades | ||
Eric_w Member Username: Eric_w Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2007 |
Only 20. Wow that's not even 1/2 person a day so far. When things like this are talked about I find it interesting how people want to look at it. Sure there are less homicides and they do happen elsewhere. I've been around a while and Detroit has earned it's reputation over a long long time. A few questions: Are things getting so good & safe people are tearing the iron bars of their doors & windows since they don't need them anymore? Can you stand at bus stop or walk to school in Detroit and not have to worry about someone pulling up in a car to rob you for your coat or shoes? Why do most party stores, banks and even fast food places have bullet proof glass? On this forum there's often talk of places that used to be- wonder why, could it be the crime in the city drove many of them out? Sadly when I meet another former Detroiter too often they know someone that was robbed, shot,even killed. From 1987 until 1996 I lived in the Warrendale area. On the block I lived on 3 of the kids we knew are now dead by the gun. I've lived in Lincoln Park now since 1996 and have yet to hear of anyone I know that has been shot or killed. There have been no school shootings, no drive by's that I heard or read about and I think I'd know since my kids go to the schools. yes there's crime here but I don't worry about it like I did in Detroit. I'm not a coward but I wouldn't walk to the store in my old neighborhood at night but I'll stroll up to my nearby Wallgreens or 7-11 in the evenings without any fear. I work in Romulus and there are people that live in Detroit working there. Since I've worked there 4 of them got calls from home that their houses had been shot up. Shot up? Yeah that happens daily where I live. I don't enjoy seeing news about crime from Detroit but when I do I'm not shocked. Is anyone out there shocked when they too hear about it? | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 6223 Registered: 09-2005 |
Perhaps we should send our all-volunteer military into Detroit? Oh, but then "our boys" might continue to be killed as they fight for freedom and democracy for all, right? And in the process, "innocent civilians" might be hurt/killed. Anyone remember STRESS (Stop The Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets) the police unit dedicated to stopping armed robberies, which was shut down by Coleman Young (along with an outcry of the citizens) because (gasp) too many armed African American robbers were being shot. Meanwhile, we condemn action against those that would take away the freedom of the citizens of Iraq, and tolerate (for decades) the same crimes in Detroit - while it crumbles. As I've said before, if you wish to see what "cut and run" will look like in Iraq, look at Detroit. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 488 Registered: 10-2006 |
At least we aren't Salt Lake City... | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 3670 Registered: 10-2003 |
All crime is dreadful where ever it happens. Particularly when it happens to you as it has to me. I know there is some good-natured tit for tat going on up in here, but this thread is more about our metropolitan division and the unfair sharing of resources and burdens. In the end we all lose when crime takes place in any part of our extended city. Hopefully a move toward metropolitan consolidation of public services will allow resources to be put where they are needed most. The governor's plan to reward communities, who do so, with greater revenue sharing monies is a good idea. As for Karl's suggestion of sending our all-volunteer military into Detroit, can any of us imagine what could be done if just a fraction of the money being wasted on their deployment in Iraq Civil War was spent here on both police and jobs training?? Instead, we are building and equipping police stations and fire stations and training cops and firemen in Iraq while we are laying them off in the city of Detroit and many other of the Detroit family of communities. | ||
Queensfinest Member Username: Queensfinest Post Number: 31 Registered: 08-2006 |
This is ridiculous. Many Detroiters seem to have a complex regarding how they're viewed by outsiders that I've never quite seen anywhere else. This is a perfect example. This type of rant does nothing to help the image of the city, state, or it's residents. | ||
Hugo8100 Member Username: Hugo8100 Post Number: 26 Registered: 06-2006 |
Problems do not go away by ignoring them. The death count in the CoD is a symptom of a deeply sick society, not a abstract number for public relations spinning. That being said, the best way not to get shot in Detroit is to not be in the drug trade. It's property crime that most people need to worry about, like that poor guy in my neighborhood who got the wheels stolen off his Fusion. Or my old roommate who got his car broken into. Or my old coworker who got his car broken into. Or the Chinese family I saw the other day, standing outside there car, pondering their newly broken driverside window. Or my other neighbor who got the copper stolen from his AC. Or my girlfriend's friend, who got mugged behind Old Main near WSU. I lived 15 years downriver and the worst that ever happened was when the teenagers went around vandalizing mail boxes. I could go on, but the plural of anecdote is still not data and "per capita" seems to be one of those things that this community is unable to comprehend. I really wish we could have a chicagocrime.org type site for Detroit. Also, obligatory end the drug war statement: End the drug war and remove the underground market that fuels crime in the city. | ||
Jfried Member Username: Jfried Post Number: 932 Registered: 11-2003 |
This thread, and this argument in general is just ridiculous. Sure, crime does happen everywhere, but if you think it's as big of a problem in the suburbs as it is in the city you are just delusional. Dismissing the seriousness of the problem, or acting like we should just accept if because Detroit is a "big city" only makes you part of the problem. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 385 Registered: 04-2006 |
"At least we aren't Salt Lake City..." Or Littleton, Colorado! "Why do most party stores, banks and even fast food places have bullet proof glass? " Have you ever been to a party store, bank, etc in a major city that DOESN'T?! It seems like you locals want Detroit to be a suburb, which it will never be. If you want the comfort of not having to live with street smarts then stay in the suburbs and like it. Don't act like what happens in Detroit is different from any other major city in the country (the crime factor, that is). | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 576 Registered: 06-2006 |
I don't see what the debate is... Crime happens everywhere, but it happens in Detroit FAR more often, so Detroit crime stories get posted more often...furthermore, this is a Detroit message board! so what's the issue here? | ||
Queensfinest Member Username: Queensfinest Post Number: 35 Registered: 08-2006 |
To Iheartthed: You might be interested to know that in NYC you will rarely find any bullet-proof glass unless you are in an extremely high crime area, generally on the outskirts. I have difficulty remembering the last time I saw bullet-proof glass in a bank, drug store, liquor store, fast food joint, or anywhere else. This applies to Most of the island of Manhattan as well as Brooklyn and Queens. All areas in the city that I frequent daily. I've seen this once that I can think of in Central Harlem and once in Far Rockaway. That's about it. I consider NYC a major city but mostly safe and bullet-proof glass free. Not arguing any of your point about crime. Just trying to say that it's not always so simple to make generalizations about "big cities" as you say. (Message edited by queensfinest on February 14, 2007) | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 388 Registered: 04-2006 |
It's funny that you mention NYC QF as I happen to live there as well. The last time I recall seeing bullet proof glass in a bank was at the Chase Bank branch at Queensboro Plaza in Long Island City this past Saturday (for those who don't know, QB Plaza is right next to the QB Bridge into Manhattan). I don't know what areas of Manhattan you frequent, but I've seen plenty of bulletproof glass around. I live there. Also, nearly any post office you go into will also have bulletproof glass... but that might not be a precaution against the outside element so much as protection against somebody goin "postal". | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 694 Registered: 01-2005 |
Supersport: I wonder how you derive your Detroit murder victim statistic: is it from the media? If so, likely an undercount. A young man was shot to death in the alley right behind my house on December 11th at 1:00 PM by a guy who walked up, did the deed and walked away, according to witnesses. I searched for days in the local press and reviewed (via google) all the local radio station and television stories. This murder was never reported, making me wonder how many others, because they are run-of-the-mill drug murders, don't get reported. | ||
Supersport Member Username: Supersport Post Number: 11257 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm simply keeping track for my own record. I realize not every crime is reported by the media. But if you search multiple sources, as I do, most will pop up, though sometimes only for a short time. You will also see discrepencies reported by the media, such as a homicide from last week where the victim was reported to be 43, though in an article yesterday that made mention, the victim was now 23 and listed by name. I just want to keep track to give me a rought estimate of the number of homicides, then at the end of the year, see just how many more happened that went unreported. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 698 Registered: 01-2005 |
Good idea. I did notice last year that there were even two different published numbers. | ||
Queensfinest Member Username: Queensfinest Post Number: 36 Registered: 08-2006 |
Ihearthted, Funny you mention LIC. I'm from Astoria right near there. Don't know how long you've been living in New York or how well you know the recent history of LIC, especially the area around Queensboro Plaza. Until the last couple of years which have seen an increase in upscale condo development, that neighborhood basically served as the area that a lot of strip clubs moved into after they were expelled from the Times Sq. area. Other than that it was and remains pretty industrial and bleak especially at night. I understand why they'd have the glass installed there. It's another exception. All I'm saying is that in most any neighborhood in NYC without extremely high crime we don't see this type of thing. Any relatively safe area with a decent amount of foot traffic pretty much negates the need for bullet-proof glass. Hope you enjoyed your Saturday in LIC. You're absolutely right about the post offices too. I agree. | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 238 Registered: 11-2005 |
Yeah, in hindsight, the post was a bad idea. I was in a bad mood and the constant negativity just gets to you sometimes. It was a tad out of line and a tad out of reality. Sorry to offend everyone. Feel free to continue flaming away on Detroit. Just felt like someone had to point out that the suburbs are no longer safe. | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 645 Registered: 08-2005 |
Well, before we can compare crime rates, you must first compare population rates. The total suburban population (the total populations of Oakland, Macomb, and Wayne County minus Detroit, Hamtramck, and Highland Park) is 3,136,897. The population of Detroit is roughly 886,675, so the combined suburbs have roughly 3.5 times the number of people as Detroit. Now for the murder rates (for 2005, taken from MSP website): Total suburban murder rate: 67 Detroit's murder rate: 354 So, despite having 3.5x the population, the suburbs had less than 1/5 the number of murders. That means you are roughly 19x more likely to die in Detroit than you are in the suburbs. And that's being generous because I used the 2005 numbers where homicides were at their lowest point in years in Detroit. If you use last year's homicide rate of over 410, then you are 22x more likely to be murdered in the city of Detroit. | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1300 Registered: 12-2004 |
Another good reason for only posting the Detroit stories: this is a Detroit focused forum. | ||
Detroitrulez Member Username: Detroitrulez Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2006 |
waitaminnit....Supersport's so called "tally" is one of the most flawed and misleading numbers one could possibly come up with. I would venture to guess his "multiple sources" consist of the News, the Freep and some online local news sites. If he wants to tell us he is sitting around monitoring the police scanner 24/7 and digging a little further than the overlapping media outlets then maybe his count could be used in a meaningful discussion. Until then, it is about as reliable as a roulette wheel. An untrained monkey could randomly pick numbers and the odds of being accurate are close to the same. Until then, logic would dictate that he is undercounting by at least 50%, probably more. | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 646 Registered: 08-2005 |
Also, who has been posting homicide stories about Detroit? Discussing crime is verboten here on DYES, anyone who does bring it up is immediately pounced on by a dozen forum members for "hating Detroit" or "being negative" or a million other excuses. Instead, we get multiple threads about Shield's Pizza while the forum members purposely choose to ignore what is probably the number one quality of life issue that is causing people to leave the city and keeping others from moving back. Last month when there was a thread about Detroit's 2006 murder rate skyrocketing over 15% higher than the previous year, it seemed people in here were pissed off that there was even discussion about it. And on those rare occasions when crime is brought up, it seems to be standard DYES procedure to find some way to make excuses for it and/or blame the victim. | ||
Jtw Member Username: Jtw Post Number: 114 Registered: 06-2005 |
1953 - If it's a Detroit-focused forum, tell AIW to quit posting his Windsor Photo-du-jours. The title bar of this entire website reads "Uniting the International Family of Communities surrounding the Straits of Detroit." | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1109 Registered: 01-2004 |
quote: While bringing this up, I think you need to observe that the city of Detroit is approx 140 sq miles (rounding up), while the more populated burbs are at a few thousand sq miles. Population density, and other factors have lots to do with crime in a city. We should also observe the economic makeup of the city, and then the metropolitan region. | ||
Xd_brklyn Member Username: Xd_brklyn Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2003 |
As recent events in Salt Lake City have shown, nowhere is safe, but some spaces are statistically safer than others. I used to follow the weekly Brooklyn police logs to see what areas at what time were the best to avoid, but things here have changed so much recently that heavy traffic is now the leading cause of deaths in my local precinct. Thanks for the chicagocrime.org link. Here's one for New Haven, CT: http://www.newhavencrimelog.or g/ It's very similar. There must be some out of the box software for this stuff. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 36 Registered: 01-2007 |
Warriorfan you said while the forum members purposely choose to ignore what is probably the number one quality of life issue that is causing people to leave the city and keeping others from moving back. Last month when there was a thread about Detroit's 2006 murder rate skyrocketing over 15% higher than the previous year, it seemed people in here were pissed off that there was even discussion about it. And on those rare occasions when crime is brought up, it seems to be standard DYES procedure to find some way to make excuses for it and/or blame the victim. I just find it hard to believe that crime(specifically murder) can be the number 1 quality of life issue. Reason being there are quite a few city that have more murders than Detroit in a year, but people don't seem to be leaving those cities in large numbers. i.e Chicago, New York. I know they have a larger population than Detroit so the "rate" isn't as high, but I would also venture a guess that most of the murders in those cities are in a very concentrated area. So are you saying that people that live in those areas are living the area in large numbers because of all the murders going on. If the answer is no, than why do you think that is. I am sure it has been a LONG time(or atleast it doesn't happen that often) since there was a murder in Palmer Woods or Sherwood Forest or Indian Village. And we are not saying don't bring up crime, we are just saying be fair about it. Detroit is not the only place that a murder can occur. And as previously stated, it has also been proven that if you are not involved with drugs, you won't be murdered. You are not involved with drugs, are you?? :-) | ||
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative Post Number: 28 Registered: 08-2006 |
According to Rochelle Riley in the Freep on 2/4/07 "About half of this country's 14,860 homicide victims in 2005 were black, most killed by black assailants. There were 411 homicides in Detroit last year -- 87% of the victims were black and 84% were male." Seems pretty dangerous to be a black man in Detroit, maybe the suburbs are so much safer since they keep 'em out? | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 8305 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Then why would all of the white people in the burbs be so scared of Detroit? Statistically they have a much, much lower chance of being killed in the city. Stated partially tonue in cheek. The truth is move victims know their assailants or it is drug related (yes there is some random crime but it is the exception, not the rule). SO based upon the majority being black on black crime why are so many white people scared to come into the city. Seems a bit contradictory. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 8306 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Wow. WHy not just say what is really on your mind. | ||
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative Post Number: 29 Registered: 08-2006 |
Jt1: "Then why would all of the white people in the burbs be so scared of Detroit? Statistically they have a much, much lower chance of being killed in the city." That was my point, my whole post was tongue-in-cheek, though it does seem to me that issues of race and racism have a valid place in this city/suburb crime discussion. | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 222 Registered: 08-2006 |
"At least we aren't Salt Lake City..." Or Littleton, Colorado! " ------------- The total sum of those horrific events still are less , by 6, than the number of people shot in Detroit this year. Its interesting how many times Columbine is mentioned, yet the total number of the kids killed that day is about the same in the U.S, but people still use it as an example, all the while ignoring the crime that is plaguing inner city school kids. I think the media loved that scenario, the rich white kids shooting up a school in the suburbs. Media controls what we see on T.V, and what we dont. Jane | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 686 Registered: 11-2004 |
quote: I guess their killers didn't get that memo http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070212/U PDATE/702120390 http://www.mlive.com/newsflash /business/index.ssf?/base/news -41/1170618854250990.xml&story list=mibusiness quote: While homicide may not be the #1 QOL issue, property crime does effect thousands more people it certainly is a major factor. Did it ever occur to you that due to the lower rate, that those cities have more low crime neighborhoods? And that they have more low crime neighborhoods were people want to live than high crime where are people are moving out. (Message edited by eric on February 14, 2007) | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 8308 Registered: 10-2003 |
Mack - Got it. I completely missed the tone of your post. IN that case completely ignore the second post of mine. (Message edited by jt1 on February 14, 2007) | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 6230 Registered: 09-2005 |
So the 1967 riots were about drugs? Lowell says more money for police & jobs will solve the problem yet in 1964 when Detroit was the "Model City" for The Great Society jobs/$$$ program, only 3 years later erupted the worst riots in US history. After putting out the fires, the military/national guard "cut & ran" and the city is still in somewhat of a ruin, minus the whites that still resided in COD after the riots. Still no discussion of what needs to change in each home. Where are the Bill Cosby quotes? | ||
Exmotowner Member Username: Exmotowner Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2005 |
Ask yourselves this question, Why did everyone leave Detroit? (other than auto) CRIME. You get tired of fixing your car when it gets vandalized, or worse stolen, you get tired of replacing your belongings in your home when it gets broke into, you get tired of haveing a gun in your face and looking over your shoulder every time you get out of a car. You get tired of running to get to the place your going cause your afraid your gonna get mugged. Yes! Crime DOES happen everywhere! But come on folks lets be realistic! Theres a reason people dont come to detroit (or downtown) and it is C.R.I.M.E.!!! It really gets old guys! The time I had to clean up a murderded tennant and his apartment, I had had it! My ass was out of there! How much does one person take before one says ENOUGH!? btw, as most of you know by now, I live in nashville. Yes we have crime! yes we definitely have a homeless problem, but I havent seen any bullet proof glass here and when I go downtown at night, yes, I feel relatively safe. (might be a false safe), but I've lived here for 13 years now, and my car hasnt been broken into or been stolen, My house has not been broken into etc. I love detroit as much as anyone, I've lived all over the city with nothing but problems. And your also right We have no business in Iraq arming them and fixing their problems when one of our nations best jewels is in such bad shape. | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 223 Registered: 08-2006 |
Exmotown, that experience of cleaning up blood must have set you back. Thats horrible. I hope you werent in the apt complex when it happened. I dont think I have seen any poster on this forum who has experienced as much as you have. Did you live in a rough area, or were you visiting friends or a local establishment when you were mugged? Did they find the punks who held you up and put a gun in your face. You've have a rough life, Ex, but stay focused. I am glad you live in Nashville. Let me hear from you, youre in my thoughts babe. Happy Valentines day... Jane | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 519 Registered: 09-2006 |
"So the 1967 riots were about drugs?" Don’t be so naive. The '67 riots were about the severe racial strife of that era. If you hadn't noticed Detroit is not the only city in that era to have race riots nor was it the only one to receive Great Society funding dollars. And can you honestly tell me that more funding for police and educational services wouldn't help Detroit or any other city in the country? 20 isn't bad for a month and a half but if we make it out the summer with under 300 ill be seriously impressed. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 37 Registered: 01-2007 |
Eric "Did it ever occur to you that due to the lower rate, that those cities have more low crime neighborhoods? And that they have more low crime neighborhoods were people want to live than high crime where are people are moving out." But that is my point. They ARENT moving out. As I said on a previous thread. I use to live in Atlanta and they have a section of town now known as East Lake. That section of town 5 years ago was known as Little Vietnam for all of the MURDERS that went on there. Not property crimes, MURDERS. Yet people still moved into the area, they ran the dealers out and now you can't find a home for sale for less than 250K. It HAS to be something else. It can't be crime alone that is the problem. The same could be said for the Southside of Chicago, and NUMEROUS neighborhoods in New York that were crime ridden but now overpriced and populated. The crime didn't all of a sudden go away and then the people decided to move in. You don't think it works that way, do you?? I just believe that the people in SE MI are just more observant of race than most sections of the country. Which is sad because many of the horrible things that happened to Black people happen in the south, you would think people would be more fearful in Atlanta than Detroit???? And as far as the article you posted. It is no different than the articles posted about the suburbs. Meaning murders can happen outside of the drug game, just like it can happen in Bloomfield. It is just not the norm. | ||
New2theeastside Member Username: New2theeastside Post Number: 39 Registered: 01-2007 |
Exmotowner You said I live in nashville. Yes we have crime! yes we definitely have a homeless problem, but I havent seen any bullet proof glass here and when I go downtown at night, yes, I feel relatively safe. (might be a false safe), but I've lived here for 13 years now, and my car hasnt been broken into or been stolen, My house has not been broken into etc. I love detroit as much as anyone, I've lived all over the city with nothing but problems. And your also right We have no business in Iraq arming them and fixing their problems when one of our nations best jewels is in such bad shape. I attended school about 8 years ago at TSU. I have had my share of car break ins, and I was even car jacked outside a club. Nashville, however, is a pretty cool place to visit. My point is, shit happens and it is relative. It happens everywhere, Detroit in that regard is no different. If you lived over by Tennessee State I am sure you would have a different opinion of Nashville just like I am sure the people that live in PW don't have the same opinion of Detroit as the people that live in the North End | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 391 Registered: 04-2006 |
"'At least we aren't Salt Lake City...' Or Littleton, Colorado! " ------------- The total sum of those horrific events still are less , by 6, than the number of people shot in Detroit this year. Its interesting how many times Columbine is mentioned, yet the total number of the kids killed that day is about the same in the U.S, but people still use it as an example, all the while ignoring the crime that is plaguing inner city school kids. " Yeah, but random violence is the difference. What happened in SLC and in Littleton were acts of random violence. Random isn't something that happens in Detroit. I don't know about you, but I'm much more afraid of getting offed by an act of random violence than I am about the stats in Detroit. I go to post offices, I work in a white collar office, I went to a college with predominantly affluent suburban students and all this predisposes me more to being a victim of random violence than being on the bad end of a drug deal. | ||
Exmotowner Member Username: Exmotowner Post Number: 95 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hey New2. Yes there is crime in Nashville, and yest specifically North Nashville is one of the worst areas. I see you dont live there anymore! The problem is that Most of Detroit is North Nashville! Your right every city has crime infested areas. But I belive if the statistics were compared, detroit would far exceed nashville. But your absolutly right crime does happen everywhere I'll not deny that. If nashville had kicked me in the teeth like Detroit did for 30 years, I wouldnt live here either. Sorry (and I know things have changed some) but detroit is NOT a safe city. And my point is that that will have to be adressed to change the opinion of the city. Thanks for your concern jane. When I lived in detroit, I lived at john R and 7 mile, lived with a bud on Bethune for a while and the apartment building I managed was one in Palmer park Right behind Menjos. I was mugged once in the park getting into my car, I was mugged going back to my car from a downtown festival. My point is that a lot of people have left detroit because of these things happening. And its not just once, its over and over and over again. Finally you just get sick of it. Thats why I left. The mentality of "crime happens everywhere" is why nothing ever gets done about it there. | ||
Exmotowner Member Username: Exmotowner Post Number: 96 Registered: 06-2005 |
http://detroit.areaconnect.com /crime/compare.htm?c1=nashvill e&s1=TN&c2=detroit&s2=MI This is what I found on 2005 stats. Actual Reported Population and Crimes: Nashville, TN Detroit, MI Population: 557,034/ 900,932 Murder: 95 /354 Forcible Rape: 336/ 589 Robbery: 2440/ 6820 Aggravated Assault: 6103 //13477 Burglary: 6448 /15304 Larceny Theft: 25900 /17383 Vehicle Theft: 3448 /21285 Yes. Nashville does have crime as does any major city and I do think that the whole Nation needs to adress the problem. Not necessarily just detroit. Hell St. Louis is the most dangerous city in the country right now, and Im sure I dont even have to mention DC and New Orleans! Im not trying to pick on detroit, but come on guys. Theres a reason everyone left and its SAFTEY and CRIME. If you know of another reason (besides the auto industry) please fill me in. | ||
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative Post Number: 30 Registered: 08-2006 |
Maybe this discussion should move to NashvilleYES! When it comes to crime, my biggest issue living in Detroit is larceny theft--apparently I should stay away from Nashville, seems pretty dangerous! | ||
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative Post Number: 31 Registered: 08-2006 |
Just razzing you Exmotowner! | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 478 Registered: 05-2005 |
Wake up fellas, Detroiters don't want crime to brought under control. They would PREFER to be continually, robbed, raped, shot and killed than to have any sort of crime fighting police force. That's why Detroit will continue to be a Crime and Illicit behavior Cesspool for YEARS and YEARS to come. The hands of the Detroit Police are tied by the fools that live here. The Police are only allowed to be MILDLY REACTIVE to crime. That's why when you call 911, it takes hours or days to see a cop. AND ALL CRIMINALS KNOW THIS. A city needs to have a PROACTIVE police force. It is is the ONLY way. However, to have the police force in Detroit become proactive would be political suicide for the mayor and whoever else would be involved. The people of Detroit would never stand for it. So it will never happen. So essentially, Detroiters have EXACTLY the kind of police force that they demand: a mild and reactive one that will never be able to fight crime. So next time some thug is brazenly bustin a Detroiter's front door down, no need to call 911, then bitch that the cops never came. Instead, they can write themselves a Thank-you note. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 393 Registered: 04-2006 |
Maybe it's the mathematician in me... but Nashville's stats don't look all that much better than Detroit's. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2003 |
"Wake up fellas, Detroiters don't want crime to brought under control. They would PREFER to be continually, robbed, raped, shot and killed than to have any sort of crime fighting police force. " Ohhhhhh. Of course! I'm glad you woke me up, I thought people DIDN'T want to be killed and raped all this time. What a fool I've been! | ||
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative Post Number: 32 Registered: 08-2006 |
Futurecity, you're right, I am (as a "Detroiter") part of the problem in that I do not want to live in a police state, I'm not sure what you mean by wanting the police to be "proactive," shoot first, question later? racial profiling? By the way, the three times that I have had occasion to call 911 the police or EMS arrived very quickly and acted professionally, I frequently see them patrolling my neighborhood, in spite of all their budget cuts. Also, not sure where you live that "thugs are brazenly bustin down a Detroiter's front door" but it must be somewhere pretty bad, or maybe in a movie. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 479 Registered: 05-2005 |
^^Exactly why we will be fighting for the title of "Murder City" again this year. Mack hits the nail on the head with Detroiters views on crime: "Hey, its not so bad!" and High Crime=Good! Low Crime=Police State (Bad!) Amazing. Oh yes, I have caught criminals "brazenly" bustin in to my property, called 911 only to be told to call the precinct, which I did and was told "everyone's busy". It wasn't a movie and it was in one of the supposedly good/safer neighborhoods of Detroit. | ||
Exmotowner Member Username: Exmotowner Post Number: 97 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hey Mack, I can take a razzing no problem. And Yea Nashville (just like any big city) has a big problem with crime. Im not denying that. Guys, you have to realize, I want detroit to be better. I would love to come back. My dream house is on Virginia park but theres no way I would go through what I went through up there again. I ask the question, Why is detroit's population still dwindling? People get tired of the crime. Yes nashville has crime, but its mostly in certain parts. You dont have to go there! Detroit doesnt have "PARTS" its the whole city. Yes, you can probably live in PW or IV with some safety (as long as you have alarms, guard dogs etc) but you have to leave those two neighborhoods to shop, go out, etc. If I kicked you in the teeth every time you turned around, youd get your butt away from me! And thats what I did, and thats what everybody else did that left. You get tired of the same old crap. I worked at Tireman and Livernois for 5 years on nights where they locked us in the building and we stood there and watched (on cameras) guys bust into our cars in the parking lot and there wasnt a damn thing we could do. When the cops finally showed up, they were long gone. I know theres not much one person can do about the crime, but the City of Detroit needs to show the rest of us and the criminals there that they mean business. Bust their asses and lock them up and throw away the key! The difference between Nashville and Detroit, people see whats going on and work with the cops. In detroit, They dont see SHIT! My whole house was emptied out and nobody saw a thing!! A full 2 bedroom house they even took my plants! Nobody saw ANYTHING! Till the citizens of the D stand up and demand change, it wont happen. | ||
Janesback Member Username: Janesback Post Number: 224 Registered: 08-2006 |
Exmotown, you hit the nail on the head with the point of involvement. Until the neighbors become invovled, its a candy land to the thugs. Its unusual that "no one " saw anything when your apartment was being emptied. I would think that the people that did see it happen, would report who they saw, if then, only to make sure it didnt happen again, or to them as well. I dont think Detroit is unique with its issues of crime. I go every 2 months or so to New Orleans. Wanna talk crime, whoa, you cant imagine. Total corruption from the top, the mayor, to the racist D.A, and the incompetent Cheif of Police. Neighborhood involvement is the key, as well a community associations, neighborhood clubs and associations and a neighborhood watch program, all of which I am involved in. Hang in there, glad you are doing well in Nashville... Jane | ||
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative Post Number: 33 Registered: 08-2006 |
I agree, maybe that's why I feel so secure in my neighborhood; safe in the knowledge that I know my neighbors, that they are watching out for me, as I am for them. When I moved to MI I lived DownRiver for five years and knew exactly one neighbor, within a week of moving to Detroit I had met nearly everyone on my block, to be honest it creeped me out at first. We have stopped crimes by vigilance, not marshall law. The future of Detroit is in individuals, goodness knows the bureaucracy isn't making it better! My quality of life issue is not fear of being murdered, it's paying +$8,000 to send my kid to private school since I'm not confident in DPS, and don't even get me started on taxes, insurance... | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1302 Registered: 12-2004 |
JTW...."Detroit-focused" doesn't mean exclusively Detroit. However, 90 percent or more of the threads are relating to the city of Detroit. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 480 Registered: 05-2005 |
Mack doesn't seem to understand that it all comes back to crime. Crime is always the over riding issue. Since insurance is based upon risk, meaning largely crime, insurance rates are off the hook in Detroit because crime is off the hook. Crime drives school enrollment and hence school quality as well. As Detroiters continue to flee high-crime neighborhoods en masse, public schools will continue to suffer big time. I hope you enjoy paying $8k to find a decent school and I can only imagine what your auto insurance rates are, but my guess would be off the hook. But hey, its really good to know that you and your neighbors have crime under control on your .0001% portion of the city. | ||
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative Post Number: 34 Registered: 08-2006 |
Please do not treat me like I am stupid. I have CHOSEN to live in this city because I see potential, yes I am an optimist. I know there is crime, I know that crime influences all those other things; though I could make the point that if there were better schools youth would have more opportunities and then there would be less crime. While you are sarcastic about my neighbors and I taking back our little piece of the city, I am proud of it, every little bit helps. Would you suggest that we all just abandon the city? | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 483 Registered: 05-2005 |
Effective policing is the only thing that will reduce crime. Until that happens (which at this point appears to be NEVER) Detroiters will continue to be beaten, raped, robbed, shot and killed at a nation-leading rate. And the ones who are lucky enough to escape the violence and constant crime will be forever shaken down for tens of thousands of dollars EXTRA to pay for insurance, a decent school, ect. - all direct by-products of an out-of-control crime rate. |
