  Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 2062 Registered: 07-2004 |
Passed by these apartments at Third and Prentis(?). Is the closing a good thing? I know that when someone was posting the WSU crime reports this intersection was talked about often as having a lot of crime. Anyone know the scoop? | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 1153 Registered: 03-2006 |
A bunch of cops cleared it out one day | ||
Kristina Member Username: Kristina Post Number: 21 Registered: 07-2006 |
It was basically a crack den. | ||
Dpd_blue Member Username: Dpd_blue Post Number: 173 Registered: 05-2005 |
New Owner...Plans to remodel it. | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 824 Registered: 02-2004 |
Good thing, I hope its remodeled | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 5521 Registered: 02-2004 |
Now new WSU Students who come from the suburbs or afar may have to live on one of the brand new very expensive small compact dorms in campus. | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 166 Registered: 04-2006 |
Any street-and-Prentis is always a concern for crime. Mostly petty crime, but when drugs find their way into buildings, it's common understanding that no matter who the users are (rich and famous, students, homeless, violent thugs), there's always going to be problems. Didn't the last shooting around WSU, either last year of the year before come from Prentis? | ||
Korridorkid Member Username: Korridorkid Post Number: 34 Registered: 01-2005 |
Rocket_city- I don't know whether or not it was the last shooting in the WSU vicinity, but there was a time last year--near early summer I think-- that there were alot of armed muggings and or larceny happening on the entire strip of Prentis street. Something like two to three a week. I live off of Second and Hancock and let me tell you...you had to keep your eyes and ears open after leaving The Bronx at night, for awhile. Some may argue, but it seems like the Prentis strip incurs more crime in a relatively small setting than other areas around Warren/Cass WSU...(that's just a assumption, i don't have the figures to verify--maybe i'm wrong! Anyone care to enlighten?) | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 424 Registered: 03-2006 |
there was a shooting at 2nd and alexandrine this summer....actually it wasn't a drive by, but a roll by...the shooter was on a bicycle | ||
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway Post Number: 1061 Registered: 11-2004 |
I think there was a thread about this apt building sometime last summer. It was pretty revealing about it and the area, if the two are the same place. Edit: Just found the thread. They're not the same place. (Message edited by E_hemingway on February 18, 2007) | ||
Corktownmark Member Username: Corktownmark Post Number: 264 Registered: 12-2004 |
The raid was a definite step in the right direction. We heard that the cleanup was a combined effort of Detroit’s finest and Wayne county prosecutors office of drug enforcement. | ||
Boo Member Username: Boo Post Number: 172 Registered: 01-2004 |
the university village that you are referring to is on hancock between 2nd & cass. good riddance to the beethoven at 3rd + prentis- that place was a magnet for crime and drug raids. for so long that the day i saw that fence surrounding it i screamed hallelujah! i lived on prentis for four years and never had a problem- at all. i can't say that my neighbors were so fortunate! | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1507 Registered: 05-2005 |
I also lived on prentis for 4 years, and was also fortunate enough to not have an issue other than my car stereo being stolen. When i saw that there was a fence up around that cess pool recently, I screamed "F... yeah!" the drug trade in that area is (hopefully "was" after the raid) ridiculously obvious to anyone that lived on that block (Message edited by gravitymachine on February 21, 2007) | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 825 Registered: 02-2004 |
ohhh Im so happy to hear that its closed. Ive had tons of stuff stolen from prentis street no doubt a by product of bethoven. | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 172 Registered: 04-2006 |
I live on Hancock as well, and I've never felt uncomfortable along this street. Same with Prentis, except, it's a little more shady at night it seems. In fact, I'm heading that way right now. Drugs need to find their way out of Midtown. With all the high-profile developments coming on board, persistent drug trafficking is the last thing a vibrant community needs to ruin that. I think of the Palmer Park Apartment area when I say that. | ||
Apbest Member Username: Apbest Post Number: 433 Registered: 03-2006 |
are they going to renovate this place? | ||
Keysha313 Member Username: Keysha313 Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2007 |
Dpd_blue: Who's the new owner? I'm a WSU student and I'm doing some investigation on the building for our student paper. The WSUPD said they don't know much and Apartment Finders, whose number is plastered on the side of the abandoned building, denies ever working with the property. I'm lost,...but determined. Any info would help...from anyone. | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 827 Registered: 02-2004 |
You should find out if the old owner still owns more buildings and see how well(funny)they are run. | ||
Wsugrad Member Username: Wsugrad Post Number: 18 Registered: 08-2006 |
The building is called the Beethoven, it was a drug infested building, 3 blocks from my house. I'm glad it's locked up. At the time it was cleared out, there were only about 3 tenants left. I think Scott Lowell owns it now, which means it will be converted, but most likely overpriced. There's a brown van parked in front everyday, I think it's some type of security. | ||
Croweblack Member Username: Croweblack Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Drugs need to find their way out of Midtown. With all the high-profile developments coming on board, persistent drug trafficking is the last thing a vibrant community needs to ruin that. I think of the Palmer Park Apartment area when I say that." Maybe they should start on second and peterboro. The same dope boys have been operating that area for FIVE years now. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 138 Registered: 08-2006 |
Good luck running drugs out where a college campus is! | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 8387 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: The drug trade there is certainly not tied to WSU and an insignificant fraction is from WSU students. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 139 Registered: 08-2006 |
I dont think it is I go to Wayne and never see drugs I am just playing up a stereotype. The most common drug on any campus is probably just pot. | ||
Kristina Member Username: Kristina Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2006 |
Keysha313 - email me at ak8488@wayne.edu | ||
Dpd_blue Member Username: Dpd_blue Post Number: 175 Registered: 05-2005 |
The person who owns Apartment Finders (Davies) also owned that apartment building. He really didn't have any chose but to sell the building or the county was going to take it as a nuisance property. I don't know the new owners name, but it's the same guy who fixed up the building on Second just north of the Detroit Beer Co. The new owner she be easily found by checking the sale records with the county clerk. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1514 Registered: 05-2005 |
dpd- do you mean the blackstone hotel? if so, that would put scott lowell and/or his wife as the new owners of the beehtoven. | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 2092 Registered: 06-2004 |
quote: Uh oh, I smell a boycott... | ||
Keysha313 Member Username: Keysha313 Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2007 |
Thanks, everyone! If anyone is clear on the old owner's and/or the new owner's identities, please let me know. My email is markeysha_davis@yahoo.com. All other information is helpful, too. As this is part of a news investigation, please specify whether you'd like to be on or off the record with your email comments. And thank you for responding, Dpd_blue :-) | ||
Wsugrad Member Username: Wsugrad Post Number: 20 Registered: 08-2006 |
I'm pretty sure it's been taken over by Scott Lowell. I've heard it from good neighborhood sources. | ||
Detroitrulez Member Username: Detroitrulez Post Number: 160 Registered: 12-2006 |
Yay! Detroit Boycotts.Yay! | ||
Dpd_blue Member Username: Dpd_blue Post Number: 176 Registered: 05-2005 |
Keysha...Isn't part of being a reporter actually doing the investigation. Why do you want everyone to hand you the information. Take this opportunity to learn how to research things and get the information for your story. | ||
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker Post Number: 828 Registered: 02-2004 |
I agree with DPD blue on that. | ||
Keysha313 Member Username: Keysha313 Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2007 |
Being that this is a community forum, I was using this as a CONTINUING point of my investigation. I contacted the WSUPD first to see if they knew anything - no. I called the number on the building - which led me to apartment finders - they lied to me, as you all have clarified. But conversely, I know better than to trust the first person who speaks against a person or organization. The community knows what goes on so this is why I presented my question to this discussion. By no means am I relying solely on what you all tell me and by no means am I posting every little thing I find out. That would defeat the purpose of the story, which I will post when my investigation is completed. No one is handing me anything; no one had to comment. I just asked a question and then I asked for specific info so I could fact check. For the most part, nothing said in this forum, except for the fact that the building is closed, will be used in my article. Everything else will come from my conversations with police, Davies and apartment finders, the new owners of the building, and the former residents who replied to my email, and whomever else has sufficient, valid and unanonymous information. If anything, thank you helping me get an idea of what was going on. Thanks a million to the people who replied to my post. My email is posted if you still want to comment on the building or you or someone you know lived there. These comments, unless specified, will be "on the record" (possibly printed and attributed to you). And Dpd, thank you for your help, especially. But considering your comment, do you really think it would be safe for a novice reporter (being myself, I have no shame in my status), to lurk around a former "crack den" with a note pad and a voice recorder looking for quotes? Not there yet; this is a college paper. | ||
Dpd_blue Member Username: Dpd_blue Post Number: 177 Registered: 05-2005 |
The information your looking for does not require you to go near this building. The current owner and previous owner are all public records. This information can be attained via the internet or a quick trip to the Coleman A. Young building. I look forward to reading your piece. | ||
Keysha313 Member Username: Keysha313 Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2007 |
The scoop on the Beethoven Apts., according to Lowell and Davies ('s attorney): http://thesouthend.typepad.com /tsenews/2007/03/university_vi ll.html#more | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 8482 Registered: 10-2003 |
I wonder if Davies was getting paid by tenants in a little blow | ||
Sparty06 Member Username: Sparty06 Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2007 |
This really just gets to the larger question of is the war on drugs a sham? Does anyone really believe they've done anything about the drug problem? The dealers/addicts etc. etc. will just move elsewhere and destroy another apartment complex somewhere else in the city/metro region. We need a new strategy on the war on drugs if we really want to clean things up. | ||
Keysha313 Member Username: Keysha313 Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2007 |
Sparty06, that's a great point. I didn't delve into what Lowell and the other landlords are doing to prevent drug dealers from occupying buildings in this area, but it may be worth it for those interested in doing something about a suspected "crack den" to look in to strategies used by successful neighborhoods. Some neighborhoods are more willing to take action in this city than others however. On some streets, these houses and apartments are a mainstay, and the residents won't say a thing. |
