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Lilpup
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 2:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DaimlerChrysler approves partnership deal with China's Chery
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Thejesus
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 2:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Chrysler earlier this month announced that it lost $1.475 billion in 2006 and said it expects losses to continue through 2007."

They have to do what that need to in order to compete...how would you remedy the situation Lilpup?
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Danny
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TERRIBLE AND HORRIBLE!! Chrysler will making CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANGS for the Commie Chinese.

Chrysler as American Car Company is DEAD!!!
Who's to blame. THE GERMANS AND THE JAPANESE!
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Stecks77
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A little over dramatic don't you think?

This partnership will likely keep the lights on at DCX. China will be the biggest auto market in the world as their economy grows and a partnership with Cherry would provide DCX with a tremendous advantage over other automakers since Cherry is owned by the Chinese government.

If DCX was to trade their company for a stake in GM then the lights would be out for potentially 60,000 auto workers. This would be absolutely devastating for southeastern michigan and would permanently kill Detroit's comeback.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

did you miss the point that these are going to be imported cars?
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Gtat44
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:11 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Danny,
Sorry to say but I think the American car companies and their greedy CEO's are.
As far back as the mid 70's They have failed to produce a quality car like we grew up with. It was only over the last 5 to 10 years that they have got their head out of their....and said oh oh we need to do something. Finally they heard us and now they are faced with these plant closings and drastic cutbacks. Don't worry though we will be on top once again, I have no doubt!
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Cambrian
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whoa Nelly! This is not new news. This is only talks to market a small car her built by Chery. This still does not satisfy the question of who's buying Chrysler.
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3rdworldcity
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:16 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

DCX (and others mfgrs) have been discussing the distribution of Chery vehicles for some time. Chery had a nice display at the Auto Show. Nothing new. As I read it, it will be simply a distribution deal w/ Chery acquiring no ownership interest in DCX. I recall that DCX (then Chrysler) was the first U.S. manufacturer to make cars (Jeeps) in China over 15 years ago. Chrysler was in partnership w/ the Chinese in that deal.

Hardly anything to worry about.
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Stecks77
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lilpup: I know. My point is that this is just the beginning of a potential larger partnership. Don't you think this deal could eventually go both ways with even more DCX cars going into China?

A local Chinese company tied to the government will give any foreign automaker like DCX a serious edge on competition as more people in China can afford cars.
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Danny
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dr.Z, Why is Chrysler made a partnership with the Communist Chinese?





"Because making a partnership with the Americans car companies is STUPID! You Americans have no class for the socialist cause. Your unions are a political circus. Your president is a RETARD, and you all think that the liberals would be the messiah to your dogmatic society. I can't stand your whining. Your cars are like gas guzzling jitney junk. Your media is too much Hip Hop, sex and drugs. Most of you all promote race cards. I'm sick and tired of your BULL$%#^ and that's why its better to have Chrysler with the Chinese for they are better than the Americans in economic stability. Oh Yeah, I may think about giving Chrysler Corporation to the Chinese."
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Crew
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

...speaking of RETARDS
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Ndavies
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's the difference between importing cars from Mexico or China. DCX already imports small cars from Mexico.

Small cars cannot be made competitively by UAW represented plants. Why not go for the biggest cost advantage you can get and build them in China. GM's competition to this vehicle is made in Korea.
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Mayor_sekou
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow Danny, Where the F_ck did you pull that one out of?
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56packman
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Danny


crack the Axis


keep collecting scrap and buying war bonds son, and we'll win this war!

(Message edited by 56packman on February 27, 2007)
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Upinottawa
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chrysler may soon be Canadian if Magna purchases it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17 365363/
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Aiw
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

"Because making a partnership with the Americans car companies is STUPID! You Americans have no class for the socialist cause. Your unions are a political circus. Your president is a RETARD, and you all think that the liberals would be the messiah to your dogmatic society. I can't stand your whining. Your cars are like gas guzzling jitney junk. Your media is too much Hip Hop, sex and drugs. Most of you all promote race cards. I'm sick and tired of your BULL$%#^ and that's why its better to have Chrysler with the Chinese for they are better than the Americans in economic stability. Oh Yeah, I may think about giving Chrysler Corporation to the Chinese."



Danny, that is seriously your greatest post ever!
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Sstashmoo
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The remedy is simple, slam the door shut on Asian imports. It's now wide open and and they are even being asked in. Or at least impose higher duties to slow it down. It's exactly whats destroying our economy. The busiest sector of business in Ca is/was the seaport areas, unloading ships from Asia. The fastest growing business sector in the US is/was collection agencies. Thats where W created the majority of jobs he was touting in the 04 elections.

"Global competition" always good for a chuckle. These folks must not own a calculator that buy into this. There is no way the US labor-force can compete with these countries without drastically altering their way of life. I read something the other day and can't remember where, Ford has in excess of 200,000 active retirees, drawing pension, medical etc in North America. Toyota has less than 1900. Ford at a disadvantage with that alone? We like our way of life, but opt for the cheaper price to live and compete. It's costing us all.

I mfr some stock automation items. One is fitted with an Estop switch. The cheapest price I can find here in the US is $20 each. For the hell of it, I d'loaded Alibaba instant messenger that hooks one right up live chat with Chinese company salesmen. The exact same Chinese made switch that is $20US here I could buy for $.060 each in quantities of 2000. The American made switches are out of the question on price, labor costs, mfr liability, etc. here in the US. With the need to keep the overall retail low, I'm trying to compete with the imports, to do so I have to use some Chinese products. Every business owner I know that manufactures anything has a similar story.

I'd like to advertise "All components made and assembled in the US" Would anyone even care?
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Quozl
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The remedy is simple, slam the door shut on Asian imports.

Little bit late for that idea chief, especially since most of the Asian automobile firms have production plants here in the USA. I wish you would have suggested this profound idea 35 years ago. Maybe slam the door on German auto imports?

Oh, you meant ALL Asian imports. Guess you are not keeping up with current events chief, ALL major retailers buy all their crap from Asia.

(Message edited by quozl on February 27, 2007)
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56packman
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 3:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


chinese are our friends
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B24liberator
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 4:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Actually, for the most part 56packman, he was our friend, as he's sporting the Nationalist's sun badge on his hat. One of Chiang Kai-shek's men: Fighting the Japanese and Communist Chinese forces... Not the best ally, but you know: "The enemy of my enemy is...."
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Lilpup
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 4:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Don't you think this deal could eventually go both ways with even more DCX cars going into China?



um, nope
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56packman
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 4:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

B24--that was my point
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Supersport
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 5:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

TERRIBLE AND HORRIBLE!! Chrysler will making CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANGS for the Commie Chinese.




laughing
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Sstashmoo
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 5:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Quozl,
"Guess you are not keeping up with current events chief"

It's never too late to fix. The China problem is much younger than 30 years old. Back then it was the Japanese which hardly numbered 100 million. There are 1.3 billion Chinese, 4 times our population. Thats why the economy seems to be eroding so quickly in the last 5 years, because it is.

Trade policy can correct this. As ridiculous and naive as it may sound to you.
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Quozl
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 5:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Trade Policy. Yea right. Pigs fly too.
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Goat
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 6:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If Magna does get their hands on Chrysler say goodbye to the unions...and that may be a good thing considering teh CAW in Brampton just told Chrylser to go fuck themselves and their possible $700 million investement.

BTW: The Chery deal is old news. It is only for the sub-compact market which cannot be made profitable in the N. American market. In fact, the poised growth of the sub-compact market is 14% whereas the mid-sized car and pick-up segment is only poised to grow .4%
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Stecks77
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 6:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lilpup: Believe what you want and continue to let the reality of globalization pass you by.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 6:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stecks, I'm fully aware of globalization. I'm also aware that the US is a wealthy country but the overall US population will not fare well with globalization unless trade issues are addressed.
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Ravine
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 7:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sstashmoo is making a point, here. Of course, there are quite a few factors involved in this particular subject, but the simple situation to which S'moo referred is a fine example of a reality that is, for us as Americans, an out-of-control disaster. And I'm with Aiw; Danny's post was just totally Killer.
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Ccbatson
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 9:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Limited partnership is a vague phrase. Money? Which direction? Ownership (stock)? Controlling interest? Superficially, this does not sound like a sale too Chery, but a joint venture. The final answer regarding a "sale" for Chrysler has yet to be determined.
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Craig
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

America has turned its back on Detroit because it believes that our cars are junk. Today it's not so, but it was the case for a long time. "American made" now means what "made in Japan" meant - a signal for junk. Too bad, but patriotism sells flags but not cars. Somebody start innovating, fast...
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Chitaku
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Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 11:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Danny is right. An American car company once proud now owned by the communist Chinese???? The proud American auto worker collecting his check from the chinese??? A sad sad day in America as the Chinese buy another piece of America. Chimerica
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Mike_from_gregory
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I ll buy a Dodge if its a 69 Charger Body with all new tech upgrades with a V6 Are you listening Dr Z???????????????
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Beavis1981
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Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 9:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/e nglish/doc/2004-12/18/content_ 401235.htm
check this out they are so identical you can iinterchange the doors with no modifications. WHAT A WORLD! American owned, korean developed technology. Stolen by chinese and sold back to "americans"
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Danny
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Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 3:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gtat44


The ony way that most American car companies can be on top is to make fuel efficient cars.

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